Thank you so much for the sock pattern and video! I really appreciate the time and thoughtful planning you do. When I first saw you demonstrate this bind off in the heel, I was so intrigued. I am now going to find some yarn and needles and start knitting this sock!
I loved tidbit #1! I am an avid knitter and I also have a podcast about mental health, ptsd, and overcoming childhood trauma. The correlation between fiber crafts and mental health really is something that should be talked about more.
According to a Piecework article: Most sources credit the word doily to an actual man, a sixteenth-century London cloth merchant named Doiley (sometimes spelled Doyley or D'Oyley), who sold openwork textiles, probably bobbin lace. By 1711, his name became associated with the term “doily napkin,” and eventually the word “napkin” was dropped. And Wikipedia tells me D'Oyly or Doiley is an English-language surname. It originates from the Norman French name d'Ouilly, from the place-name Ouilly in Calvados, Lower Normandy
Happy 2023! I have learned so much from you and enjoy everything you share! That is a very interesting Sock construction....thank you for sharing the pattern. I watch another podcaster 100 Acre Wool and she did a Norwegian Sock called the Kura this year in her 2022 wrap up and the Norwegian lady only has video tutorials, but I think you may find the techniques she uses for her "Sock Recipe" very interesting. She also uses different knitting styles. She has "recipes" for several other Norwegian patterns on her website. I need to get pen and paper out to write out the socks she demonstrates. Bella from 100 Acre Wool says it is the best fitting sock she has ever felt.....a type of short row heel but done very unusually. Thanks so much for sharing your vast knowledge!! I too love old books, and keep things and so often the books you acquire I already have.....always wanted to knit when I was younger, but the grandmother I had around me had stopped knitting, so I crocheted and sewed. Sure wish we had all this access with the Internet years ago. I finally went to a senior center when my life slowed down, and the very nice grandmothers taught me to knit. I love your curiosity and will be knitting this unique sock method. Thanks so much!! Sandy
Thank you so much for Dagrun’s sock pattern! It’s very exciting! I’m Looking forward to Learning this method. I learned to knit socks 2 years ago and made them for my family for Christmas. Now I’m Working on getting better at knitting sweaters. I’ve knitted 3 and working on a 4th. Your lessons are so helpful! I’m going to go back and use your method of reknitting a bottom up sweater that isn’t long enough. Thank you again for all of your helpful suggestions!
I haven't even finished the video and I've cast on a pair for my mom. She's diabetic with some circulation and mobility issues so I think these will be great house socks for her. Thank you so much!
Thanks! Such an interesting deep dive into the reconstruction of this sock. I’m going to try it. I’m interested in historical knits; I’ve found a lot of 19th century knitting pattern books online, which is fun. I’m kind of interested in researching WWI military requirements for hand-knit socks. Apparently there was a very firm “recipe” for those items. There must have been health/medical reasons - dry socks were vitally important to those men in the trenches.
There were many, many socks for soldiers patterns published throughout the war, which had wildly different elements, depending on who was collecting and distributing the socks. Some Red Cross branches in the U.S. used the pattern distributed by the national headquarters; others used a pattern of their own selection or creation. In other countries, socks may have had different attributes that were acceptable. There were also different patterns used to knit socks for soldiers in the hospital (who might not be able to dress themselves) vs soldiers in the trenches. It's fascinating to go through those old books as well as newspaper articles to see how things were knit over the course of those four years.
I was struck by the comment about crafting & mental health--allows one to concentrate on the work. I'm going through a rough patch right now--DH has a serious health issue--& I'm feeling overwhelmed. I chose to knit something dead simple. I guess I've gotten it wrong. I'm going to dig out a Kaffe Fasset UFO. Can't knit that without complete concentration. Thanks for that tidbit.
Every person who is helped by craft may need that craft in a different way. When my mom died last spring, my focus was on knitting something that I could send off into the world (a sweater for my college roommate's grandbaby-to-be) and not have it around later to remind me of my grief. I didn't want to continue working on what I had been working on because I didn't want to associate grief with that project. Some people find that just having something to do that they don't have to think about is the solution for them, because it's so meditative and keeps them busy. (It sounds like that was your initial approach.) Others may need something more complex to really focus their attention away from spiraling thoughts. Whatever resonates with you is the right way to go about it. The comments on my Knitting Through Grief video showed that there is a huge variety of ways people use knitting to get them through emotionally difficult times. I wish good outcomes for your husband and you, and I hope you are able to find a way for knitting to get you through this.
Holy moly, that’s a LOT of work you’ve done!!! 🤯 Thank you so much for the pattern, Roxanne! I love examining old knitted items to puzzle out how they were done. That had to have been one fun “AHA!” moment when you figured it out. I’m looking forward to hearing how your brother fares with his socks. I’ve yet to make my husband anything he likes…but a heavier weight sock might just work! I consider it a personal challenge at this point. Worst case scenario, our son gets a new pair of socks. 😂
My mother, who was a nurse in the 1940s gave me a binder belt for my son who had a large umbilical hernia. This was something that her mother had used for her. Her mother, my grandmother (mormor) was also an RN (Rhode Island School of Nursing) in the 1920s. She was born in Sweden 1880s (late) I think binder belts were for umbilical hernias.
Apologies if you’ve already covered this in Tidbits, but if you haven’t, something you may want to mention are some videos on youtube created for The Campaign for Wool Canada - HM King Charles III is a patron of this organization. There are 4 short videos title The Fabric of Canada:…. They provide excellent insights into the wool industry in Canada.
The first solution I found for the heel, which achieved a nearly identical result (without the row of twisted sts) is a 3-needle version where the two halves are held parallel, and each end of the 3rd needle acts as the working needle for one of the two halves. It's a technique used by Coast Salish knitters to join the shoulders of Cowichan sweaters, so that the two columns of sts are visible on the RS of the work, and ride above the surface of the fabric. I later found the two-needle solution, which is likely the version Dagrun used, given the twisted sts.
Still intrigued!! Serendipity has determined that this year will be my Year of Socks…. Want to try different heel shaping, toe-up, textured patterns etc. THIS sock is one I want to play with!! Been playing w different toe decreases lately…time to decide & finish! Then I can play w this one, whoo-hoo! Thanks for the in-depth demonstration!! Also, thanks for the treasure trove of info packed into this episode!
The tale of The Three Princes of Serendip also too comes from Persia. The basis to all research! Observation. Did you do that on purpose? Domesticated sheep come from Persia too! Thanks
Last year I was on a journey of trying all kinds of heels and toes for socks and really enjoyed the process. Now you have given me a new one to try and I thank you for that! 🥰
What a nice gift for all of us. I am going to make an historic pair of Norwegian socks for bed socks in January. Your videos just make my week! Thank you.
Thank you! You have reminded me of when my mother first discovered that I was learning to knit. She warned me against "knitting too much. It can drive you crazy."
Another great episode, Roxanne! Thank you for the sock pattern. Ive been knitting Norwegian for the past few years and love it. I’m in bed, resting from the flu and I’ve got my knitting to do and I love binge watching the videos.
Wow that was amazing! It’s the first time I’ve watched. Funny thing but I had just been doing a revelry search for socks with worsted weight yarn as I’ve been gifted with some very nice wool. Roxanne you are a genius! What a joy this podcast is.
Thanks for the excellent tutorial, Roxanne. When I draw up the final few stitches for a toe or hat crown I use two thicknesses of yarn , too, but do it by threading the needle leaving a longer tail than the yarn on the sewing side of the needle. Then as I take the needle through each stitch it’s a double thread. I cinch it up after going through the stitches once. After weaving in the double end on the sewing needle I go back and weave in the tail left from threading the needle. It sounds a bit complicated when I write it down but in practice I find it quick and easy. Cheers 😊
@@RoxanneRichardson I secure and weave in the end. Then I cut the yarn loop to finish and release the needle. On the right side there is a single yarn tail from when the needle was threaded. This needs to be taken to wrong side and woven in. Sorry if my instructions are a bit dodgy. Hopefully it becomes clearer if you try it out. This makes me appreciate your clear instructions more than ever! 😊
A really interesting episode, I’ll enjoy following the links and will doubtless end up down some previously unsuspected rabbit hole or other! Thank you for such a comprehensive explanation of Dagrun’s sock; if nothing else it has explained why, when I was taught to knit socks, I was told to knit a quarter of the way across then turn back and purl back twice as many stitches - the lack of symmetry really bugged me, so I soon stopped doing it! If you haven’t seen it before the toe up Mahalle sock by Urth Yarns might interest you. I usually do cuff down, heel flap and gusset socks, so this pattern was a different one for me in both the heel and toe construction. All the best, J x
I got two thirds of the way through that sock (mainly to try out the heel). I like the heel quite a lot! I didn’t really like my socks though, so I frogged them. I’ll use the heel for other socks. It’s very relaxing. Thanks!
Typically, this heel is done to a longer length, with more sts picked up along the sides of the flaps, so that you'd have a similar number of sts on the needles that you would have with other heel flap constructions, and then you'd work a gusset to reduce the stitch count down to the number needed for the foot. Because this particular sock relies on ribbing to bring the circumference down, there is more room built into the heel diagonal, negating the need for a gusset. I would also recommend adjusting the number of decrease rows worked to shape the heel so that you work about 3/4'' worth of shaping (i.e. work to the equivalent length as in the original sock, not necessarily the number of rows)
@@RoxanneRichardson Thank you so much for the information about the number of decrease rows. I had, in fact, adjusted that and am glad that wasn’t a mistake. If I wasn’t clear, my objection to the socks that I made was that on second thoughts I wasn’t keen on my yarn choice. I really enjoyed knitting this style of heel and am very grateful to you for the careful exploration and explanation.
The binder belt sounds a lot like the compression shirts that my old school would use with children who have sensory processing challenges. Also... kind of like a Thundershirt for dogs with anxiety? Very interesting speculation on its different uses throughout time. I'm wondering if there's a way to determine a change in common use by looking at recommended amounts of negative ease. The term corset training makes me a bit nervous, especially considering the effect that prolonged compression can have on the ribcage as it's developing and growing.
Thank you so much for this excellent demonstration of sock. Your love for the craft is incredible. This heel seems to be a quicker knit than the heel flap and gusset. Inga of Knitting Traditions has a similar recipe from her grandma. Thank you once again.
Often, this type of heel flap is knit longer, with more sts picked up, so that after picking up sts you would need to knit a gusset. The sock circumference is large enough that it allows room across the heel diagonal, which the ribbing helps to pull in, for smaller feet. It's a simpler construction, but it does have a different feel on the foot that a standard heel turn.
As always, there’s always something new to learn from each of your videos. Look forward to trying this sock construction. Curious to know what the additional two clippie markers indicate. nycSox
@@carlajewett1091 I use one color to track every 10 rounds, and another when I hit 25. Then I reuse the first few to track 30 and 40 and another of the other color for round 50. So by the end, I have markers for 25, 50, 75, etc. I just do what makes sense to me so that I'm not constantly re-counting from the start.
binder belt... for the umbilical cord to prevent outties/ hernia ? or if they did have a outtie/hernia it would keep it in and train it ? seems that is what I heard from my older generation but they are all passed on so I cant confirm.
About the heel: In Richard Rutt's book called "A History of Hand Knitting", there is a description of the heel in the appendices on page 239. You may have this book in your library. Here is a quote from the book: "The heel is made, as was often done in Tudor stockings, by folding the heel flap in half and casting off the two sides together so as to produce a short seam under the heel." It is fun to see the directions and all the words they used for a purl stitch.
Previous to reverse engineering this sock, all instructions for the shaped common heel that I had seen called for using a 3NBO (as the instructions in Rutt calls for), or for binding off the sts and seaming them together (as in Weldon's Practical Stocking Knitter, which calls this the Manufacturer's Heel). Nancy Bush's FOLK SOCKS calls for cutting the yarn and grafting the join. This was the first time I had seen a double bind off in a sock heel, so it took a while to figure out what was going on!
I like the round toe!! thank you for the video. I will be trying this sock, I used your Aug kal, for the heel flap and heel turn, and the wedge toe. I was making my first child’s sock without a pattern. I just used book The Sock Knitter’s Handbook,(which didnt help me too much). Mainly I used all your video’s and the KAL. As it turned out the sock was too small. I used 48 stitches and a 2.25 needle and a garter rib pattern. This time I am using 56 stitches, and 2.5, and just k3p1, it will fit this time. One of your videos, you mentioned, Sensational Socks, by Charlene Schurch. So I bought a 2nd hand copy from Amazon. I am sure it will be interesting.
Your brothers foot size are you going to document that man sized sock? I feel it may help. Super interesting casting off much easier I feel. Interesting about the Oklahoma book on sheep. I am not surprised Persian sheep domestication. Middle East to all the way to the far east, mountain ranges with intelligent peoples. Including older breeds of dogs too. Thanks Quick search . the specialized animal fibers from around the world including Peru etc... make truly expensive garments. An Italian made mens downtown coat goes for $25,000.00. Truly interesting and amazing. One day are you going to do winter knitted coats? Thanks again!
You are always free to swap out heels and toes when knitting socks. This particular heel could be knit toe up if the flap was on the sole and the join was at the back of the heel. There isn't a way to reverse it so that the appearance is the same when worn. It's a very different construction than other heel turns used in heel flap constructions.
Thank you so much for the sock pattern and video. I have a skein of yarn just waiting for this pattern. I will cast on tonight. I do have one question…this pattern picks up stitches through the center of the selvage stitch. Is there a rule of thumb to know when to pick up sts through the center as opposed to picking up a st by going under both sts? I don’t understand the difference. Thanks again for all your hard work and clear teaching. It is very much appreciated!
The reason it took me two socks to figure out that's what she had done is because it's rarely done this way. I'd only seen this approach to PU sts in a vintage sweater pattern from the 1930s, at the shoulder of a set-in sleeve, which would be very visible, and less neat than picking up under the whole selvedge st. So the rule of thumb is to *not* do it this way! Going through one leg only prevents a ridge on the inside of the work, but it also means that the selvedge st can get stretched out. Hence the ktbl on the following round.
QUESTION! ?? Roxanne, I have a top down colorwork sweater I modified for a split hem with the back being longer than the front. Being a popular store bought sweater item, I believed I would find lots of examples for split hem options. Boy was I wrong! Do you have ideas for front/back split hem finishing? I would love to know your ideas from a master knitter perspective!
The Shaped Common Heel was used for centuries for stockings all across Europe. This particular method of joining the sts under the heel seems to be the traditional method in at least parts of Norway (rather than 3NBO, grafting, or BO and seam, as is typically called for in 19th century English language instructions). Inge apparently has several patterns that incorporate this heel, and she has verified that the join is the same. I don't know anything about any other parts of those sock designs, because I haven't looked at them.
You mentioned Regia 4 ply yarn as a favorite of yours. I pulled up a variety of options on Ravelry just using "Regia" in the search. Can you be more specific as to which one (s) you prefer? Thanks! Looking forward to your new adventures in vintage socks.
Regia comes in lots of different weights: 4, 6, and 8 ply. The 4-ply is a light fingering, which I typically knit at 8.5 to 9 sts/in (yarn label recommends 7.5 sts/in). The 6-ply is a sport weight, and 8 ply is a DK weight. I like all Regia yarn, but the one I use for a given pair of socks depends on whether I'm knitting thin socks or thicker socks, because the gauge needed (and therefore, the stitch count) will be different for each.
I need to try these, thanks! Did you mention if these socks did fit your big foot brother? I have a big/little brother as I like to call him, he is next on my list for socks
Thank you so much for the sock pattern and video! I really appreciate the time and thoughtful planning you do. When I first saw you demonstrate this bind off in the heel, I was so intrigued. I am now going to find some yarn and needles and start knitting this sock!
I loved tidbit #1! I am an avid knitter and I also have a podcast about mental health, ptsd, and overcoming childhood trauma. The correlation between fiber crafts and mental health really is something that should be talked about more.
Jillian Eve's podcast is amazing! I've spent a lot of hours by her hearth this winter.
Oh boy oh boy! Norwegian sock knitting! Wow, Roxanne, this is such a gift you are giving. Thank you🥰
According to a Piecework article: Most sources credit the word doily to an actual man, a sixteenth-century London cloth merchant named Doiley (sometimes spelled Doyley or D'Oyley), who sold openwork textiles, probably bobbin lace. By 1711, his name became associated with the term “doily napkin,” and eventually the word “napkin” was dropped.
And Wikipedia tells me D'Oyly or Doiley is an English-language surname. It originates from the Norman French name d'Ouilly, from the place-name Ouilly in Calvados, Lower Normandy
Happy 2023! I have learned so much from you and enjoy everything you share! That is a very interesting Sock construction....thank you for sharing the pattern. I watch another podcaster 100 Acre Wool and she did a Norwegian Sock called the Kura this year in her 2022 wrap up and the Norwegian lady only has video tutorials, but I think you may find the techniques she uses for her "Sock Recipe" very interesting. She also uses different knitting styles. She has "recipes" for several other Norwegian patterns on her website. I need to get pen and paper out to write out the socks she demonstrates. Bella from 100 Acre Wool says it is the best fitting sock she has ever felt.....a type of short row heel but done very unusually. Thanks so much for sharing your vast knowledge!! I too love old books, and keep things and so often the books you acquire I already have.....always wanted to knit when I was younger, but the grandmother I had around me had stopped knitting, so I crocheted and sewed. Sure wish we had all this access with the Internet years ago. I finally went to a senior center when my life slowed down, and the very nice grandmothers taught me to knit. I love your curiosity and will be knitting this unique sock method. Thanks so much!! Sandy
I am anxious to see all the different styles of socks and stockings you introduce and discuss.
Thanks much for this video ,very helpful whilst I'm knitting this lovely sock pattern! Thanks Roxanne for your very generous gift.
Thank you so much for Dagrun’s sock pattern! It’s very exciting! I’m Looking forward to Learning this method.
I learned to knit socks 2 years ago and made them for my family for Christmas. Now I’m Working on getting better at knitting sweaters. I’ve knitted 3 and working on a 4th. Your lessons are so helpful! I’m going to go back and use your method of reknitting a bottom up sweater that isn’t long enough. Thank you again for all of your helpful suggestions!
I haven't even finished the video and I've cast on a pair for my mom. She's diabetic with some circulation and mobility issues so I think these will be great house socks for her. Thank you so much!
What a great idea! My mother has mobility issues as well, maybe these would be good socks for her.
Thanks! Such an interesting deep dive into the reconstruction of this sock. I’m going to try it.
I’m interested in historical knits; I’ve found a lot of 19th century knitting pattern books online, which is fun. I’m kind of interested in researching WWI military requirements for hand-knit socks. Apparently there was a very firm “recipe” for those items. There must have been health/medical reasons - dry socks were vitally important to those men in the trenches.
There were many, many socks for soldiers patterns published throughout the war, which had wildly different elements, depending on who was collecting and distributing the socks. Some Red Cross branches in the U.S. used the pattern distributed by the national headquarters; others used a pattern of their own selection or creation. In other countries, socks may have had different attributes that were acceptable. There were also different patterns used to knit socks for soldiers in the hospital (who might not be able to dress themselves) vs soldiers in the trenches. It's fascinating to go through those old books as well as newspaper articles to see how things were knit over the course of those four years.
I was struck by the comment about crafting & mental health--allows one to concentrate on the work. I'm going through a rough patch right now--DH has a serious health issue--& I'm feeling overwhelmed. I chose to knit something dead simple. I guess I've gotten it wrong. I'm going to dig out a Kaffe Fasset UFO. Can't knit that without complete concentration. Thanks for that tidbit.
Every person who is helped by craft may need that craft in a different way. When my mom died last spring, my focus was on knitting something that I could send off into the world (a sweater for my college roommate's grandbaby-to-be) and not have it around later to remind me of my grief. I didn't want to continue working on what I had been working on because I didn't want to associate grief with that project. Some people find that just having something to do that they don't have to think about is the solution for them, because it's so meditative and keeps them busy. (It sounds like that was your initial approach.) Others may need something more complex to really focus their attention away from spiraling thoughts. Whatever resonates with you is the right way to go about it. The comments on my Knitting Through Grief video showed that there is a huge variety of ways people use knitting to get them through emotionally difficult times.
I wish good outcomes for your husband and you, and I hope you are able to find a way for knitting to get you through this.
@@RoxanneRichardson Thank you for taking the time to respond. I will be reading the comments on Knitting Through Grief--thanks for the heads up.
Thank you for the pattern Roxanne; I’m really looking forward to trying out this technique.
Binder belt looks much like a swaddler or bunting like we knit now, the bell shape at the lowe edge would ease in facilitating diaper changing.
Holy moly, that’s a LOT of work you’ve done!!! 🤯 Thank you so much for the pattern, Roxanne! I love examining old knitted items to puzzle out how they were done. That had to have been one fun “AHA!” moment when you figured it out. I’m looking forward to hearing how your brother fares with his socks. I’ve yet to make my husband anything he likes…but a heavier weight sock might just work! I consider it a personal challenge at this point. Worst case scenario, our son gets a new pair of socks. 😂
Thank you so much for your detailed explanation of finishing off the toe. I will also be applying this to mittens! 😊
So glad i discovered you! Thank for so much I haven’t even delved into yet!
My mother, who was a nurse in the 1940s gave me a binder belt for my son who had a large umbilical hernia. This was something that her mother had used for her. Her mother, my grandmother (mormor) was also an RN (Rhode Island School of Nursing) in the 1920s. She was born in Sweden 1880s (late) I think binder belts were for umbilical hernias.
Love the sock story!!I have been following to see the conclusion. Yes!!! Can’t wait to see how it is done!! Thank you !!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤
Great episode!
What a treat, thank you.
I loved every minute of this video. Thank you Roxanne!
Thank you very much Roxanne. The heel construction of these socks is very interesting, I will try it on my next DK socks.
Apologies if you’ve already covered this in Tidbits, but if you haven’t, something you may want to mention are some videos on youtube created for The Campaign for Wool Canada - HM King Charles III is a patron of this organization. There are 4 short videos title The Fabric of Canada:…. They provide excellent insights into the wool industry in Canada.
Alternative to a 3 Needle Bindoff for shoulders? I guess I'm swatching this weekend!
The first solution I found for the heel, which achieved a nearly identical result (without the row of twisted sts) is a 3-needle version where the two halves are held parallel, and each end of the 3rd needle acts as the working needle for one of the two halves. It's a technique used by Coast Salish knitters to join the shoulders of Cowichan sweaters, so that the two columns of sts are visible on the RS of the work, and ride above the surface of the fabric. I later found the two-needle solution, which is likely the version Dagrun used, given the twisted sts.
Fascinating! Thank you for your sock research and video!
Thank you for sharing! I will knit the socks !
I am definitely going to try this sock method, thank you so much for the clear instructions!
Still intrigued!! Serendipity has determined that this year will be my Year of Socks…. Want to try different heel shaping, toe-up, textured patterns etc. THIS sock is one I want to play with!! Been playing w different toe decreases lately…time to decide & finish! Then I can play w this one, whoo-hoo!
Thanks for the in-depth demonstration!! Also, thanks for the treasure trove of info packed into this episode!
The tale of The Three Princes of Serendip also too comes from Persia. The basis to all research! Observation.
Did you do that on purpose? Domesticated sheep come from Persia too!
Thanks
Thank you so much for the wonderful demonstration of this technique. I can't wait to try it!
Last year I was on a journey of trying all kinds of heels and toes for socks and really enjoyed the process. Now you have given me a new one to try and I thank you for that! 🥰
This was so informative and great! Next pair of boot socks I knit for my husband will be using this Norwegian method. Thank you so much.
I enjoyed seeing how this sock was constructed so much! Thank you for sharing this pattern !!
thank you so much for the demo it makes it so much easier to follow when you can see how it's done.
What a nice gift for all of us. I am going to make an historic pair of Norwegian socks for bed socks in January. Your videos just make my week! Thank you.
Thank you once again Roxanne! A fact filled video is your forte.
Thank you Roxanne for a wonderful gift! Great tutorial!
Thank you! You have reminded me of when my mother first discovered that I was learning to knit. She warned me against "knitting too much. It can drive you crazy."
Another great episode, Roxanne! Thank you for the sock pattern. Ive been knitting Norwegian for the past few years and love it. I’m in bed, resting from the flu and I’ve got my knitting to do and I love binge watching the videos.
Also thanks for all your hard work it's delightful pulling out vintage patterns and explain them is a god send bless you
So looking forward to trying this heel!
Wow that was amazing! It’s the first time I’ve watched. Funny thing but I had just been doing a revelry search for socks with worsted weight yarn as I’ve been gifted with some very nice wool. Roxanne you are a genius! What a joy this podcast is.
Happy New Year! My Goal is to complete the sweaters I started last year this year.
Thanks for the excellent tutorial, Roxanne. When I draw up the final few stitches for a toe or hat crown I use two thicknesses of yarn , too, but do it by threading the needle leaving a longer tail than the yarn on the sewing side of the needle. Then as I take the needle through each stitch it’s a double thread. I cinch it up after going through the stitches once. After weaving in the double end on the sewing needle I go back and weave in the tail left from threading the needle. It sounds a bit complicated when I write it down but in practice I find it quick and easy. Cheers 😊
There's still only one, tail, though, right? How do you extract the needle from the doubled part in order to weave in the actual tail?
@@RoxanneRichardson I secure and weave in the end. Then I cut the yarn loop to finish and release the needle. On the right side there is a single yarn tail from when the needle was threaded. This needs to be taken to wrong side and woven in.
Sorry if my instructions are a bit dodgy. Hopefully it becomes clearer if you try it out. This makes me appreciate your clear instructions more than ever! 😊
A really interesting episode, I’ll enjoy following the links and will doubtless end up down some previously unsuspected rabbit hole or other! Thank you for such a comprehensive explanation of Dagrun’s sock; if nothing else it has explained why, when I was taught to knit socks, I was told to knit a quarter of the way across then turn back and purl back twice as many stitches - the lack of symmetry really bugged me, so I soon stopped doing it!
If you haven’t seen it before the toe up Mahalle sock by Urth Yarns might interest you. I usually do cuff down, heel flap and gusset socks, so this pattern was a different one for me in both the heel and toe construction.
All the best, J x
I got two thirds of the way through that sock (mainly to try out the heel). I like the heel quite a lot! I didn’t really like my socks though, so I frogged them. I’ll use the heel for other socks. It’s very relaxing.
Thanks!
Typically, this heel is done to a longer length, with more sts picked up along the sides of the flaps, so that you'd have a similar number of sts on the needles that you would have with other heel flap constructions, and then you'd work a gusset to reduce the stitch count down to the number needed for the foot. Because this particular sock relies on ribbing to bring the circumference down, there is more room built into the heel diagonal, negating the need for a gusset.
I would also recommend adjusting the number of decrease rows worked to shape the heel so that you work about 3/4'' worth of shaping (i.e. work to the equivalent length as in the original sock, not necessarily the number of rows)
@@RoxanneRichardson
Thank you so much for the information about the number of decrease rows. I had, in fact, adjusted that and am glad that wasn’t a mistake. If I wasn’t clear, my objection to the socks that I made was that on second thoughts I wasn’t keen on my yarn choice. I really enjoyed knitting this style of heel and am very grateful to you for the careful exploration and explanation.
The sock looks wonderful, can't wait to try it. Thank you!
This was a fabulous video! You have inspired me to finally knit more socks! And I will join Rox Rocks! 🐑♥️🐑♥️🐑
thank you very much!
The binder belt sounds a lot like the compression shirts that my old school would use with children who have sensory processing challenges. Also... kind of like a Thundershirt for dogs with anxiety?
Very interesting speculation on its different uses throughout time. I'm wondering if there's a way to determine a change in common use by looking at recommended amounts of negative ease. The term corset training makes me a bit nervous, especially considering the effect that prolonged compression can have on the ribcage as it's developing and growing.
ALSO that baby's whip and rattle looks like a cat toy and that is so funny to me
Thank you so much for the tidbits and the pattern.
Thank you so much for this excellent demonstration of sock. Your love for the craft is incredible. This heel seems to be a quicker knit than the heel flap and gusset. Inga of Knitting Traditions has a similar recipe from her grandma. Thank you once again.
Often, this type of heel flap is knit longer, with more sts picked up, so that after picking up sts you would need to knit a gusset. The sock circumference is large enough that it allows room across the heel diagonal, which the ribbing helps to pull in, for smaller feet. It's a simpler construction, but it does have a different feel on the foot that a standard heel turn.
I wanted to comment the same thing. I tried this pattern also from Inga, It is called mors hel socks. The heel construction is essentially the same.
Thanks for a terrific episode! Can’t wait to try this heel!
I remember my mother knitting some of those old baby's clothes for my siblings "Layette". The suite of clothes for a newborn.
As always, there’s always something new to learn from each of your videos. Look forward to trying this sock construction. Curious to know what the additional two clippie markers indicate. nycSox
Where did you see the markers? In the fabric? I use them to track my row count.
@@RoxanneRichardson the three markers shown on the sole aren’t equally spaced so I wondered why that was.
@@carlajewett1091 I use one color to track every 10 rounds, and another when I hit 25. Then I reuse the first few to track 30 and 40 and another of the other color for round 50. So by the end, I have markers for 25, 50, 75, etc. I just do what makes sense to me so that I'm not constantly re-counting from the start.
@@RoxanneRichardson great method…thx
So fascinating, thank you Roxanne!
The children's cholera belt mentioned in Weldon's seems to have a similar function to the traditional Japanese Haramaki
So excited to have this video. Thx!
binder belt... for the umbilical cord to prevent outties/ hernia ? or if they did have a outtie/hernia it would keep it in and train it ? seems that is what I heard from my older generation but they are all passed on so I cant confirm.
I was looking through the replies to see if this would be mentioned. I have also heard this as you said Angela from the older generations.
Thank you! Can’t wait to make them.
About the heel: In Richard Rutt's book called "A History of Hand Knitting", there is a description of the heel in the appendices on page 239. You may have this book in your library. Here is a quote from the book: "The heel is made, as was often done in Tudor stockings, by folding the heel flap in half and casting off the two sides together so as to produce a short seam under the heel." It is fun to see the directions and all the words they used for a purl stitch.
Previous to reverse engineering this sock, all instructions for the shaped common heel that I had seen called for using a 3NBO (as the instructions in Rutt calls for), or for binding off the sts and seaming them together (as in Weldon's Practical Stocking Knitter, which calls this the Manufacturer's Heel). Nancy Bush's FOLK SOCKS calls for cutting the yarn and grafting the join. This was the first time I had seen a double bind off in a sock heel, so it took a while to figure out what was going on!
I like the round toe!! thank you for the video. I will be trying this sock, I used your Aug kal, for the heel flap and heel turn, and the wedge toe. I was making my first child’s sock without a pattern. I just used book The Sock Knitter’s Handbook,(which didnt help me too much). Mainly I used all your video’s and the KAL. As it turned out the sock was too small. I used 48 stitches and a 2.25 needle and a garter rib pattern. This time I am using 56 stitches, and 2.5, and just k3p1, it will fit this time. One of your videos, you mentioned, Sensational Socks, by Charlene Schurch. So I bought a 2nd hand copy from Amazon. I am sure it will be interesting.
Knitting and crochet really helped me when my husband passed away...
Great episode! Thank you!
Your brothers foot size are you going to document that man sized sock? I feel it may help.
Super interesting casting off much easier I feel.
Interesting about the Oklahoma book on sheep. I am not surprised Persian sheep domestication. Middle East to all the way to the far east, mountain ranges with intelligent peoples. Including older breeds of dogs too.
Thanks
Quick search . the specialized animal fibers from around the world including Peru etc... make truly expensive garments. An Italian made mens downtown coat goes for $25,000.00. Truly interesting and amazing.
One day are you going to do winter knitted coats?
Thanks again!
amazing work
Thank you
Excellent.
Wow that heel is amazing but do you think it could be reversed to s toe up and also do you think it possible to do a wedge toe
You are always free to swap out heels and toes when knitting socks. This particular heel could be knit toe up if the flap was on the sole and the join was at the back of the heel. There isn't a way to reverse it so that the appearance is the same when worn. It's a very different construction than other heel turns used in heel flap constructions.
Thank you so much for the sock pattern and video. I have a skein of yarn just waiting for this pattern. I will cast on tonight. I do have one question…this pattern picks up stitches through the center of the selvage stitch. Is there a rule of thumb to know when to pick up sts through the center as opposed to picking up a st by going under both sts? I don’t understand the difference. Thanks again for all your hard work and clear teaching. It is very much appreciated!
The reason it took me two socks to figure out that's what she had done is because it's rarely done this way. I'd only seen this approach to PU sts in a vintage sweater pattern from the 1930s, at the shoulder of a set-in sleeve, which would be very visible, and less neat than picking up under the whole selvedge st. So the rule of thumb is to *not* do it this way! Going through one leg only prevents a ridge on the inside of the work, but it also means that the selvedge st can get stretched out. Hence the ktbl on the following round.
Thank you! Oh the things we learn in knitting but really should never do. I’ll call it ridge theory and try not to fall for it again. 😂
Those socks look surprisingly simple compared to how my brain was imagining them! I will definitely give them a try.
QUESTION! ?? Roxanne, I have a top down colorwork sweater I modified for a split hem with the back being longer than the front. Being a popular store bought sweater item, I believed I would find lots of examples for split hem options. Boy was I wrong! Do you have ideas for front/back split hem finishing? I would love to know your ideas from a master knitter perspective!
I did not look at the stock but was wondering if the stock is the same as the stock that Inga from
Knittingtraditions were taught by her grandmother.
The Shaped Common Heel was used for centuries for stockings all across Europe. This particular method of joining the sts under the heel seems to be the traditional method in at least parts of Norway (rather than 3NBO, grafting, or BO and seam, as is typically called for in 19th century English language instructions). Inge apparently has several patterns that incorporate this heel, and she has verified that the join is the same. I don't know anything about any other parts of those sock designs, because I haven't looked at them.
@@RoxanneRichardson Thanks for your response - it is much appreciated
You mentioned Regia 4 ply yarn as a favorite of yours. I pulled up a variety of options on Ravelry just using "Regia" in the search. Can you be more specific as to which one (s) you prefer? Thanks! Looking forward to your new adventures in vintage socks.
Regia comes in lots of different weights: 4, 6, and 8 ply. The 4-ply is a light fingering, which I typically knit at 8.5 to 9 sts/in (yarn label recommends 7.5 sts/in). The 6-ply is a sport weight, and 8 ply is a DK weight. I like all Regia yarn, but the one I use for a given pair of socks depends on whether I'm knitting thin socks or thicker socks, because the gauge needed (and therefore, the stitch count) will be different for each.
Got it! Thanks 😊
I need to try these, thanks! Did you mention if these socks did fit your big foot brother? I have a big/little brother as I like to call him, he is next on my list for socks
He lives in another state, so I won't know until I send them to him!
they are NOT navajo sheep, they are the offspring of sheep stolen by the tribes or obtained thru trade with the spanish
I bought Volumes 1-6 of Weldon’s Practical Needlework several years ago. I believe I have the complete set🧶
There are 12 volumes!