Michigan is actually really similar to late 2010s Clemson. Seemingly great coaching, hit on the elite recruits. Look at Michigan's best recruits of recent. Donovan edwards, corum, jj, Johnson. They all hit. Find a few diamonds in the rough. Kenneth grant, sainristil (position switch) zinter. Now they use the portal to tighten up the holes and don't get hurt. The issue that teams have when they play the Bama's Georgia, osu's of the world is that they have players on the field that *CANNOT* hang. Michigan was able to field a set of players that could and that's really what it's about. Not having that one corner that gets smoked in man or that one tackle that can't block the elite guys. That's the gap
Hey guys LOVE the show!!! The Xichigan model won't be repeated as easy as you think. 1st Michigan has great tradition for winning. (MOST WINS IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL). 2nd You have a head coach that was successful in the NFL. 3rd Your head coach is an alumnus. Lots of factors hard to mimic.
Michigan accumulated a bunch of 3 & 4 star recruits, developed them over 4 or 5 years, and sprinkled in some high 4 & 5 star players for high end talent. What they got out of that at the end was a bunch of NFL players. Maybe not first rounders, but lots of likely draft picks. Strength in numbers.
No. For example in 2023, 3 of their 5 starting offensive line were 5th/6th year super senior transfers. They weren’t “developed”. They bought these transfers. UM had 44 5th & 6th year seniors. They had extraordinary depth. This is how they won.
@@foxbodyblues6709 Damn, you just love spewing the same incorrect crap all over the comments section, don't ya. Again, provide evidence before you make such a ridiculous and false claim.
@@TheBlegere Believe me, he hasn't thought about it that much. He's following the Buckeye Beat Writers standard propaganda and they aren't going to use logic when it comes to Michigan.
You guys are quickly becoming my favorite college football channel. For any fan/alumni of a Big 10 school who wants neutral, unbiased perspectives, you guys are the go-to. Great insights and thorough research - amazing first year!
I consume multiple college football podcasts almost on a daily basis. I am a fan of "Kings of the North", but this episode is the best college football content that I have watched/listened to in the last year. This was very informative, and in my opinion, was THE BEST topic to discuss. You can tell that you guys genuinely like each other. I hope to see Ari on with you guys a few times a year. Great work fellas, thanks for the GREAT content.
Being a consumer of many of said podcasts is a double-edge sword. Most people who do this do so because they are very ignorant and are trying to learn something.
Look at the 2022 class between Michigan and OSU. OSU has like a handful of guys who just contribute only 2 starters and was ranked 4th, Michigan was ranked 12th and have like 7 or 8 dudes that are elite starters most under ranked. Take away fandom and most people would say Michigan had the better class now.
Day over plays the starters by not rotating and keeping them in late in the game to rack up style points. If Rayshaun Benny wasn't getting 4th quarter reps in September into October, nobody would know his name. Now he's an elite level two deep.
Loudermilk is mad at the world for where his life has ended up. I think he's a decent dude, he just says what a lot of us think but are afraid to say out loud.
Got to give credit for Ari with his Ohio State brain to write what he did in the Athletic. It’s hard to objectively give your biggest rival the credit they deserved. Really all these guys, so unusual for Ohio fans.
I'm an Ohio State homer, but you'd have to be blind and dumb to watch that game and not see that Michigan was physically superior to Alabama. Good Lord, Milroe just got sacked again. Yeah, it was 27-20 in OT, but there is no doubt which team was better. Like when Ohio State beat Alabama. It was 42-35, but the Buckeyes were significantly better.
They dominated the defensive and offensive line of scrimmage the entire and the game was only close because of multiple muffed punts and a missed field goal, otherwise michigan wins by two score. The score was close but Michigan was the more physically dominant team
If a team gets a player from the portal, you should be able to alter their star rating. If the player has played full years as a starter, you should be able to up their star rating.
Ari is right about his weather rant. It started when they started naming every damn storm we ever had. Does every big snow really need a fricking name? STOP IT.
The problem with team recruitment rankings is that they overvalue skill position players that play 7on7. Football is won in the trenches. Michigan added several portal players to the o-line which no one outside the program thought was deficient and lost none to the portal. Michigan dline was effective because they didn’t care about promoting players with inflated numbers. Michigan was able to be physically dominant in the fourth quarter because they rotated their lineups similar to hockey.
@@foxbodyblues6709 I wish that was true that they bought them. I would be very happy if Michigan finally decided to compete financially for talent. Michigan has basically lost every recruiting battle that nil was a factor. Please list 5 players on the roster that chose Michigan for the bag of money, I’ll wait. If Michigan bought the players for success, then the inverse must be that the rest of college football was unwilling to compete financially with Michigan for the talent. f’n laughable.
There is a lot of myth about this Michigan team as untalented. Fanduel has modeling that would have them as small favorites over 2021 Georgia and 2019 LSU. This team also has way more 5* talent than given credit for, Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant are straight up misses by the recruiting sites.
This is so simple to me. The players are evaluated at age 15-17 and given a recruiting score that is then effectively held static once they finish high school for the next 3-5 years of their collegiate careers. That completely ignores the fact that different people mature physically at different times and develop their talent at different rates and amounts over that 3-5 year’s time. Yet in many cases the basis for talent evaluation of a player and a team invariably falls back to info that could be as much as 5 years old. Plainly, it’s often a very incomplete picture to rate a team’s talent based on recruiting rankings, and there aren’t good talent evaluation systems that account for college development.
You are exactly the guy Doug is talking about @22:00. Did you not listen to anything that Doug and Bill said or do you just slurp up all that Buckeye BS from the beat writers? Michigan had 11 5th and 6th year contributors. Ohio State had 7 5th and 6th year contributors. If it was a "Covid thing" for Michigan, it was also for Ohio State.
@@foxbodyblues6709 If you even took a moment to look at the Michigan roster you'd see how wrong you are. Clearly you haven't They did not have 44 5th and 6th year players. That is a blatant lie. It's obvious you've just swallowed the Buckeye propaganda line without actually doing an incredibly simple search. I'd say go ahead and direct me where there is a roster that shows 44 5th and 6th year players but you won't, because you won't find one.
No mention of the fallacy of predicting how a teenager will mature and develop into a young adult. The star rankings are not always accurate is quite the understatement I might add.
You HAVE to include 4th year players also in experience. The TOP TOP recruiting teams have 4th year elite players leave for the NFL. The others have 4th year players with a lot of experience playing. So tell me how many 6, 5 and 4 year players on each team.
People discounted that a TON of Michigan's experience (via snap counts) came from players like Junior Colson and Rod Moore who are true juniors but have started since their true freshman season (not to mention Donovan Edwards who has seen significant time his three seasons). Same with players like Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, true sophomores who have been either starters or have contributed significantly in their two seasons. So Ari's thought before the Rose Bowl that all their snaps came from 5th and 6th year guys was due to either an almost unprofessional lack of research or a willful ignorance to to avoid information that conflicts with his "Ohio State superior" narrative. It was all there for anyone to look up and credit to Doug and Bill for not falling for the same old Columbus narrative all the other Ohio State beat writers constantly peddle.
No. The 5th and 6th year guys were a lot of backups who were able to give UM no dropoff when they came in the game, like for Zinter. It provided extraordinary depth.
@@foxbodyblues6709 Please list all these backups that saw significant time. If you had actually listened to the show, you'd know just how incorrect you are. Again, show us the roster that has 44 5th and 6th year players you're talking about. Because that claim is obviously and easily proven incorrect. If you would like to wager money on your claim I would be happy to wager any amount. You won't because you know you're wrong and simply spewing BS, verifiably incorrect Buckeye propaganda
@@Jon.A.Scholt UM cheats and is the only school that doesn’t count their players the same As everyone else. Also: I didn’t say anything about significant time for the backups. I just said when they were called on, like losing Zinter in the OSU game, and no dropoff in play because the backup was so experienced. Like they said before the Rose Bowl: UM had 3,000 more snaps on their 2 deep. That says it all.
@@foxbodyblues6709 Oooooo, so now we're just moving the goal posts. So you are conceding you were spreading Buckeye propaganda about the 44 5th and 6th year players? You know you're wrong so you're changing the subject. Just take the L like Ohio State has the last three years.
Doug totally ignores that the core Michigan team and concept was built on a planned out on field cheating scandal to create an unfair competitive advantage so their on field plays (offense and defense) had advantages on each play that had nothing to do about talent. Sure, Michigan has good players, but why was the cheating scandal so planned out and implemented ? Doug just does not factor any of this.
The cheating done in 21 and 22 allowed UM to acquire better players in 22 and 23 recruiting than they otherwise would have done. It’s all fruit of the poison tree. UM will be on probation in time for 2024 B1G media days.
Lol lol the covid yr 😂😂 the covid year😂😂😂 15-0 Baby OSu will never ever ever go 15-0 with 10 top 15 wins in a season. The covid yr what did you play 5 games 😂😂😂 but the covid yr was a real season 😂😂 national champs 15-0 bow down
@@_jse123 when UM and their cheating is sanctioned and they are on probation, keep that same energy. They have already lost all the momentum. (almost) Everybody is gone! Even one of those DTs has started following Ohio St coaches.
@@powerhouse539 They beat the team that knocked GA out-you can march your ignorance all over the field...Michigan proved they were #1 with the standard that is used.
Ohio State gets their revenge next year. Way more talent and a much weaker schedule than Michigan. Great recruiting class combined with keeping existing talented players but incoming portal players. They will be scary good. Michigan loses their coaching staff and their entire O Line, both wide receivers and their best running back and they have a murders row schedule. Will be lucky to win 8 games. That said, Go Blue and thanks for the memories.
This is exhibit A of why I remain committed to my belief that partisan fans are pathologically ignorant fools...it does not matter where their allegiances lie. Michigan has the talent to repeat as NC. Stunningly, to the casual viewer, the defense may be better next year and the OL has 10 young men that can play for anyone. The RBs will not skip a beat. Otherwise, the success is going to hinge upon who the coaching staff ends up being. Sure, there is significant variability here-they could lose 4-5 games or they could go undefeated. Between the hand-wringers and the haters...oh my! Michigan and OSU are, pretty much, polar opposites relative to elite physical talent and elite coaching...and coaching usually wins.
@@foxbodyblues6709Give it up. You keep getting your ass kicked so try and take the L like a man instead of a jealous hater. Also try and score more than 3 points in a bowl game before criticizing your better.
Did you actually watch the game? Bama got dominated at both lines of scrimmage by Michigan. Their WR’s generally weren’t open. There was WAY more to it than Milroe.
Ohio St with a good QB does too. That’s why Kyle transferred. He knew he wasn’t good enough. As it is, they were one throw in the end zone from winning that game. It was very close.
@foxbodyblues6709 So what do you do? You ride your starting QB who only lost to the eventual NC out of town and downgrade at the position. Way to go champ.
Good luck guys with injecting even a little objectivity into the OSU fan base. Being a partisan fan leaves one overflowing with irrational thoughts and beliefs...and then you have the OSU fans-rabid partisans-hopeless.
Michigan is actually really similar to late 2010s Clemson. Seemingly great coaching, hit on the elite recruits. Look at Michigan's best recruits of recent. Donovan edwards, corum, jj, Johnson. They all hit. Find a few diamonds in the rough. Kenneth grant, sainristil (position switch) zinter. Now they use the portal to tighten up the holes and don't get hurt. The issue that teams have when they play the Bama's Georgia, osu's of the world is that they have players on the field that *CANNOT* hang. Michigan was able to field a set of players that could and that's really what it's about. Not having that one corner that gets smoked in man or that one tackle that can't block the elite guys. That's the gap
The Clemson teams won in large part because of their QBs. I think JJ is pretty average, more of a game manager.
@@robschoenung9543Give me any game manager that can go 27-1
Hey guys LOVE the show!!! The Xichigan model won't be repeated as easy as you think. 1st Michigan has great tradition for winning. (MOST WINS IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL). 2nd You have a head coach that was successful in the NFL. 3rd Your head coach is an alumnus. Lots of factors hard to mimic.
You guys are sooo good. Glad I found ya!
Cheaters
Michigan accumulated a bunch of 3 & 4 star recruits, developed them over 4 or 5 years, and sprinkled in some high 4 & 5 star players for high end talent. What they got out of that at the end was a bunch of NFL players. Maybe not first rounders, but lots of likely draft picks. Strength in numbers.
No.
For example in 2023, 3 of their 5 starting offensive line were 5th/6th year super senior transfers. They weren’t “developed”.
They bought these transfers.
UM had 44 5th & 6th year seniors.
They had extraordinary depth.
This is how they won.
@@foxbodyblues6709 Damn, you just love spewing the same incorrect crap all over the comments section, don't ya.
Again, provide evidence before you make such a ridiculous and false claim.
@foxbodyblues6709 how do you explain the previous 2 years then
@@TheBlegere Believe me, he hasn't thought about it that much. He's following the Buckeye Beat Writers standard propaganda and they aren't going to use logic when it comes to Michigan.
@@TheBlegere cheating in 21 & 22
You guys are quickly becoming my favorite college football channel. For any fan/alumni of a Big 10 school who wants neutral, unbiased perspectives, you guys are the go-to. Great insights and thorough research - amazing first year!
I consume multiple college football podcasts almost on a daily basis. I am a fan of "Kings of the North", but this episode is the best college football content that I have watched/listened to in the last year. This was very informative, and in my opinion, was THE BEST topic to discuss. You can tell that you guys genuinely like each other. I hope to see Ari on with you guys a few times a year. Great work fellas, thanks for the GREAT content.
Being a consumer of many of said podcasts is a double-edge sword. Most people who do this do so because they are very ignorant and are trying to learn something.
Great to see the gang back together!
Great podcast. Best in college football
Look at the 2022 class between Michigan and OSU. OSU has like a handful of guys who just contribute only 2 starters and was ranked 4th, Michigan was ranked 12th and have like 7 or 8 dudes that are elite starters most under ranked. Take away fandom and most people would say Michigan had the better class now.
Or, the 2022 OSU recruits have the 2021 class above them keeping them from playing yet. But in 2024 they will start to flash.
Day over plays the starters by not rotating and keeping them in late in the game to rack up style points. If Rayshaun Benny wasn't getting 4th quarter reps in September into October, nobody would know his name. Now he's an elite level two deep.
@@foxbodyblues6709 OSU needs to play their depth if they are elite they lost two games late, and almost the ND game because they were worn down
Did you include the portal as part of recruiting? A 3 or 4 year player is like getting a 4-5 star player to plug holes.
Loudermilk is mad at the world for where his life has ended up. I think he's a decent dude, he just says what a lot of us think but are afraid to say out loud.
Got to give credit for Ari with his Ohio State brain to write what he did in the Athletic. It’s hard to objectively give your biggest rival the credit they deserved. Really all these guys, so unusual for Ohio fans.
Fantastic show!!
Called having a good scouting staff and an NFL level coaching staff
15:13 When did Michigan beat the crap out of Alabama? They needed a late 4th quarter drive to send it to overtime.
Michigan owns Alabama . Call us daddy
I'm an Ohio State homer, but you'd have to be blind and dumb to watch that game and not see that Michigan was physically superior to Alabama. Good Lord, Milroe just got sacked again. Yeah, it was 27-20 in OT, but there is no doubt which team was better. Like when Ohio State beat Alabama. It was 42-35, but the Buckeyes were significantly better.
They dominated the defensive and offensive line of scrimmage the entire and the game was only close because of multiple muffed punts and a missed field goal, otherwise michigan wins by two score. The score was close but Michigan was the more physically dominant team
If a team gets a player from the portal, you should be able to alter their star rating. If the player has played full years as a starter, you should be able to up their star rating.
Ari is right about his weather rant. It started when they started naming every damn storm we ever had. Does every big snow really need a fricking name? STOP IT.
The problem with team recruitment rankings is that they overvalue skill position players that play 7on7. Football is won in the trenches. Michigan added several portal players to the o-line which no one outside the program thought was deficient and lost none to the portal. Michigan dline was effective because they didn’t care about promoting players with inflated numbers. Michigan was able to be physically dominant in the fourth quarter because they rotated their lineups similar to hockey.
They bought them. Stop with this development UM narrative.
@@foxbodyblues6709 I wish that was true that they bought them. I would be very happy if Michigan finally decided to compete financially for talent. Michigan has basically lost every recruiting battle that nil was a factor. Please list 5 players on the roster that chose Michigan for the bag of money, I’ll wait. If Michigan bought the players for success, then the inverse must be that the rest of college football was unwilling to compete financially with Michigan for the talent. f’n laughable.
Loved this.
ARIIIIII!!!!
Michigan had men on their team years older than everyone else.
There is a lot of myth about this Michigan team as untalented. Fanduel has modeling that would have them as small favorites over 2021 Georgia and 2019 LSU. This team also has way more 5* talent than given credit for, Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant are straight up misses by the recruiting sites.
This is so simple to me. The players are evaluated at age 15-17 and given a recruiting score that is then effectively held static once they finish high school for the next 3-5 years of their collegiate careers. That completely ignores the fact that different people mature physically at different times and develop their talent at different rates and amounts over that 3-5 year’s time. Yet in many cases the basis for talent evaluation of a player and a team invariably falls back to info that could be as much as 5 years old. Plainly, it’s often a very incomplete picture to rate a team’s talent based on recruiting rankings, and there aren’t good talent evaluation systems that account for college development.
When you have 45 seniors like Michigan...its a covid and senior level thing....
You are exactly the guy Doug is talking about @22:00. Did you not listen to anything that Doug and Bill said or do you just slurp up all that Buckeye BS from the beat writers?
Michigan had 11 5th and 6th year contributors.
Ohio State had 7 5th and 6th year contributors.
If it was a "Covid thing" for Michigan, it was also for Ohio State.
You are such an clever liar.
11 “contributors”. No one calls them contributors.
They had 44 5th and 6th year (on campus) players on the roster.
Not 11
@@foxbodyblues6709 If you even took a moment to look at the Michigan roster you'd see how wrong you are. Clearly you haven't
They did not have 44 5th and 6th year players. That is a blatant lie. It's obvious you've just swallowed the Buckeye propaganda line without actually doing an incredibly simple search.
I'd say go ahead and direct me where there is a roster that shows 44 5th and 6th year players but you won't, because you won't find one.
Well, if Michigan's coaching staff returns, they will push OSU to the limit.
1:12:06 Doug just had his "Werewolves not Swearwolves" moment
The BT gang is back!
Alabama damn near won the National Championship.
Recruiting services Miss on their evaluations
No mention of the fallacy of predicting how a teenager will mature and develop into a young adult. The star rankings are not always accurate is quite the understatement I might add.
You HAVE to include 4th year players also in experience. The TOP TOP recruiting teams have 4th year elite players leave for the NFL. The others have 4th year players with a lot of experience playing. So tell me how many 6, 5 and 4 year players on each team.
UM had 44 5th and 6th year players.
Extraordinary depth.
This is how they won.
4+ years: (according to Doug’s numbers)
Washington 31
Michigan 20
OSU 16
Bama 14
UGA 13
@@foxbodyblues6709 Why do you insist upon being such a unmitigated fool???
@@mkwy8782 Not my numbers. UM listed 44 “grads” argue with them…loser!
People discounted that a TON of Michigan's experience (via snap counts) came from players like Junior Colson and Rod Moore who are true juniors but have started since their true freshman season (not to mention Donovan Edwards who has seen significant time his three seasons). Same with players like Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, true sophomores who have been either starters or have contributed significantly in their two seasons.
So Ari's thought before the Rose Bowl that all their snaps came from 5th and 6th year guys was due to either an almost unprofessional lack of research or a willful ignorance to to avoid information that conflicts with his "Ohio State superior" narrative.
It was all there for anyone to look up and credit to Doug and Bill for not falling for the same old Columbus narrative all the other Ohio State beat writers constantly peddle.
No. The 5th and 6th year guys were a lot of backups who were able to give UM no dropoff when they came in the game, like for Zinter.
It provided extraordinary depth.
@@foxbodyblues6709 Please list all these backups that saw significant time. If you had actually listened to the show, you'd know just how incorrect you are.
Again, show us the roster that has 44 5th and 6th year players you're talking about. Because that claim is obviously and easily proven incorrect.
If you would like to wager money on your claim I would be happy to wager any amount. You won't because you know you're wrong and simply spewing BS, verifiably incorrect Buckeye propaganda
@@Jon.A.Scholt UM cheats and is the only school that doesn’t count their players the same
As everyone else.
Also: I didn’t say anything about significant time for the backups.
I just said when they were called on, like losing Zinter in the OSU game, and no dropoff in play because the backup was so experienced.
Like they said before the Rose Bowl: UM had 3,000 more snaps on their 2 deep. That says it all.
@@foxbodyblues6709 Oooooo, so now we're just moving the goal posts. So you are conceding you were spreading Buckeye propaganda about the 44 5th and 6th year players? You know you're wrong so you're changing the subject.
Just take the L like Ohio State has the last three years.
I would also look at experience on the O line and D line. You win in the trenches.
UM bought 3 starting transfers to the starting offensive line.
@@foxbodyblues6709Wrong again. Rewatch and learn something. They had 4 total starters that were transferred in, 2 on the O Line.
@@sheneedsme wrong. Of the top 35 (basically the 2 deep) 27 were homegrown, while 8 were transfers.
Doug totally ignores that the core Michigan team and concept was built on a planned out on field cheating scandal to create an unfair competitive advantage so their on field plays (offense and defense) had advantages on each play that had nothing to do about talent. Sure, Michigan has good players, but why was the cheating scandal so planned out and implemented ? Doug just does not factor any of this.
Smh 🤦🏼♂️ They beat Penn state , Ohio state , Iowa , Alabama and Washington without signs . Are you just dumb ?
The cheating done in 21 and 22 allowed UM to acquire better players in 22 and 23 recruiting than they otherwise would have done.
It’s all fruit of the poison tree.
UM will be on probation in time for 2024 B1G media days.
Lol lol the covid yr 😂😂 the covid year😂😂😂 15-0 Baby OSu will never ever ever go 15-0 with 10 top 15 wins in a season. The covid yr what did you play 5 games 😂😂😂 but the covid yr was a real season 😂😂 national champs 15-0 bow down
@@_jse123 when UM and their cheating is sanctioned and they are on probation, keep that same energy.
They have already lost all the momentum. (almost) Everybody is gone!
Even one of those DTs has started following Ohio St coaches.
Ohio State 2024 is different bc its a 12 team playoff and no divisions and a tougher B1G in 2024. The deeper teams will go further ie UGA and Bama
and Michigan didnt have to beat UGA to win the title
@@powerhouse539 They beat the team that knocked GA out-you can march your ignorance all over the field...Michigan proved they were #1 with the standard that is used.
No, they can't. They have a soft coach who was born on 3rd.
Ohio State gets their revenge next year. Way more talent and a much weaker schedule than Michigan. Great recruiting class combined with keeping existing talented players but incoming portal players. They will be scary good. Michigan loses their coaching staff and their entire O Line, both wide receivers and their best running back and they have a murders row schedule. Will be lucky to win 8 games. That said, Go Blue and thanks for the memories.
This is exhibit A of why I remain committed to my belief that partisan fans are pathologically ignorant fools...it does not matter where their allegiances lie. Michigan has the talent to repeat as NC. Stunningly, to the casual viewer, the defense may be better next year and the OL has 10 young men that can play for anyone. The RBs will not skip a beat. Otherwise, the success is going to hinge upon who the coaching staff ends up being. Sure, there is significant variability here-they could lose 4-5 games or they could go undefeated. Between the hand-wringers and the haters...oh my!
Michigan and OSU are, pretty much, polar opposites relative to elite physical talent and elite coaching...and coaching usually wins.
Omg are we still talking about Michigan????
Yeah they are the best team in cfb this year
The level of their cheating was extraordinary.
And deserves non stop criticism.
@@foxbodyblues6709Keep 😢😢😢 losers. Your jealous hater tears are hysterical.
Rent free!
Hence the cheating
Stop talking about raw numbers of 5* recruits and start talking about where that talent is accumulated
Exactly. Ohio State's classes are all lifted up on WRs, most of whom end up transferring after a year or two.
you obv wasnt listening when you typed this
I love the banter that is the post-season speculation/we really don’t know-still entertaining to listen to!
this is a big deal
No.
Ohio state had CJ for 2 years and it didn't matter they were soft and weak in the trenches and were dominated
They were young. And in 21 and 22 UM cheated.
@@foxbodyblues6709Give it up. You keep getting your ass kicked so try and take the L like a man instead of a jealous hater. Also try and score more than 3 points in a bowl game before criticizing your better.
@@sheneedsme losing bowl games never slowed down UM fans
Michigan has better coaches than Ohio St and what Bama had. SO their development was better. Bama and Ohio St have been under achieving.
Based on what?
Losing LOSING losing based on that
@@robschoenung9543 Bama and OSU have no NC in the last 3 years
UM won with their players.
Their extraordinary level of depth. They lost Zinter and had no dropoff because they had 7 senior offensive linemen.
Alabama was stacked and had a mediocre QB. Alabama with a good QB beats Michigan.
Michigan with a good qb destroys Bama.
Did you actually watch the game? Bama got dominated at both lines of scrimmage by Michigan. Their WR’s generally weren’t open. There was WAY more to it than Milroe.
Ohio St with a good QB does too. That’s why Kyle transferred. He knew he wasn’t good enough.
As it is, they were one throw in the end zone from winning that game.
It was very close.
@foxbodyblues6709 So what do you do? You ride your starting QB who only lost to the eventual NC out of town and downgrade at the position. Way to go champ.
@dodgedforgottenn
Yes, I actually watched the game. That's why I commented.
Good luck guys with injecting even a little objectivity into the OSU fan base. Being a partisan fan leaves one overflowing with irrational thoughts and beliefs...and then you have the OSU fans-rabid partisans-hopeless.