@@ather1276 you need to relook at the evidence. Being chased is avoiding not provoking, then running towards the police is not evading, the second guy hits hom from behind, Kyle lost his balance, when he fell, guy 3 kicks him in his head, skateboard boy hits him across head and shoulders w a skateboard then grabbed his gun, getting shot in the process, rosenkruetz stepped back wasn't shot, when he produced that glock Kyle shot him the arm. All fully self defense by any stable,logical mind.
The defenses argument basically is, "I pointed my gun at an unarmed man first and then the unarmed man tried to fight for his life by grabbing the gun so I shot him in self defense." That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You don't get to be the armed aggressor and then claim self defense because the other person is fighting for their life in self defense from you.
Try to imagine the people on the jury. You just know they weren’t buying what this defense attorney was selling. Hate how he tells them at one point to not be emotional, and then he injects emotion by saying Travis feared for his life and feared for his father’s life and Travis needs you to extend your hand to help him. His whole argument is built on emotion and none of it makes any logical sense.
@@monicductan5002 Hrms, They had a right to defend themselfs. Well is that not what Arbery was doing in the first place. I mean two southen men with guns cut me off in the road while I'm jogging. What the hell would you do.
You are so wrong it's nauseating...you fell for a contortion of law by this pathetic prosecution...GA self-defense law is clear...only if you have NO OTHER WAY OUT may you use lethal force, OR in fact use self-defense altogether...The "stand your ground law" was not meant for someone TO APPROACH someone using that law? In this case Aubery approached THE DEFENDANT getting physical. In fact the DEFENDANT had the right to "stand your ground law". They never got physical, Aubery did. Suspect turned to face his followers and attacked the defendant (WAS NOT ALLOWED TO under GA law)..He had other ways out...Could've kept running as he was doing for 5 minutes, could have ran into someone's yard and jumped fences, he was young enough to do so, a "jogger" no? Could have run home, called the police from his house...had OTHER options, BUT he decided to attack a man holding a gun? He reasonably should have known he could get shot but did that action anyway...That disallows him retribution...he then placed the defendant in a "no other way out" position and the defendant acted UNDER DURESS. I put it to you, that Arbery was NOT scared of them, he knew they were NOT there to "shoot him", as he saw them following him for 5 minutes...defendants had AMPLE time to run him over or shoot at him from a distance or close up...he was on foot, they were in vehicles, DO THE MATH. But defendants never harmed him. The dynamics ONLY changed when Arbery decided to attack them. He was NOT "self-defending", no shots were fired at him, nor was he confronted...Arbery was the one confronting by turning around and approaching, attempting to go by them, then one defendant pulled sideways with his truck trying to stop him... ask YOURSELF...as Arbery approached the defendant, why did defendant NOT SHOOT? When Arbery HIT defendant against the head, why did defendant STILL not shoot, Arbery was an easy target was he not? Only when Arbery began fighting defendant for his gun, defendant saw "no way out". Defendant testified...he was strong, I was not about to let him take my gun and shoot me and my dad. The trigger was only pulled UNDER DURESS, not before, nor after. Defendant was entitled to self-defense. The presence of the gun does not mean a "planned murder" nor "a hunt", as the theory sold to you and the jury, The gun was for self-defense, video shows THAT was what it was used for...they did not know either whether Arbery may become combative and maybe had a knife? This "hunting a black man" nonsense is ludicrous. Further Arbery was convicted of SHOP LIFTING and a two times felon under probation...no wonder he would not wait for the police...why not run in his own neighborhood? defendants recognized him on a video inside a residence under construction looking around, obviously he was there in that area looking for something like tools or materials he could steal... Once a thief always a thief. Incompetent defense attorneys, overzealous prosecutor and judge playing for the cameras caused a bad day for jurisprudence.
@@jimcab4279 Typical, that's why this country has gone dumber, you want to cast an opinion, but you are too lazy to read, too lazy to study the case properly. Instead, you allow yourself to be TOLD how it is and bamboozled along the way.
Daddy clambered up into the bed of that truck. I can't do that without having heart attacks stroke or hip replaced. Sonny you weren't afraid for anyone. You and daddy were on the hunt. Lock these fools up
"You are allowed to defend yourself, even if it can cause harm or death to the person, if it is necessary" But Aubury didn't have the right to defend himself out of fear or worry for his life or safety?
The fact of drawing down on someone with weapons and chasing them with your vehicle as the aggressor and somehow THEY were the victims is top shelf grandstanding by this attorney
I think you'd feel different if it were your neighborhood being terrorized by criminals, one of your neighbors tried detaining someone they suspected of being one of those criminals and the same outcome occurred.
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 if one of my neighbors did this and killed the wrong person that wouldn't make me feel better in any way. Intentions be damned they killed someone based off of a hunch that they had the right person
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 once I saw the facts id feel the same. I wouldn't live in a neighborhoods filled with racists either. Rod, the guy who filmed it, even said Travis called Arbery a f`n n word over his dead body.
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 you can't suspect that someone is "terrorizing" your neighborhood and shoot them dead! That's why we have police, the law and are supposed to be a civilized society! People need to understand that not only they have rights other people have rights as well. Only a senseless, hateful person would support this nonsense 🙄
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 This has been our neighborhood and the sheriff told us to call the police. DON'T TRY TO DETAIN THEM. The police had already told them that Aubrey had not taken anything
So it's ok for a stranger to approach a unbeknownst female jogger at night on a road and point a gun saying he wants to talk to her? She has every right to fight for her life
See this is where people need to get educated. One is a cop my friend. An ex cop another a vet. People never educate themselves, but have no problem opening their mouth. We need a thinking society again or at all. Although I agree they are out of line
Funny how this lawyer acts like they were 100 percent allowed to tell someone, who they admitted they didn't see commit a crime, to get on the ground with a weapon drawn.
Funny how you say "see a crime" rather than "aware of a crime" which is what the defense's case actually was built on, and how you insinuate that arresting someone while armed is somehow ethically different than trying to arrest someone without being armed.
Have these people never heard of actual self defense? "I chased him; ran him down; got out of the car with a shotgun; and I am upset because the other guy tried to defend himself...so I shot him 3 times...". I look forward to seeing these people mouth breath from prison.
I agree, you chase someone down, you have a gun threatening them, they have the right to defend one's self period. Mr. Aurbury may have trespassed, but thays not physically harming or treating a person or committing harm.
According to this lame brain defense attorney - a criminal offender would have the right to use self defense in a incident they provoked. So if someone was trying kidnap, rob or rape you and you fought back - the offender would be justified in killing you. This is basically what the defense is saying and that’s crazy as hell.
@@Be1smaht You are not wrong - but I find it...dumb...naive...to claim that 'his fear' was a reason behind the shooting; If he was afraid - well then Imagine how Ahmad felt!?
He had already pointed his weapon at Arbery before Arbery even approached his vehicle. It not self defense when someone attempts to take the gun you're pointing at him.
The original English spelling of the word is spelt with a "c" then people in 18th century that live in this country they now call America decided to change certain words from the English language to their liking now it could be spelt either way but I am English so I spell it with a "c" thank you
Yep. When i watched the first officer to get there's body cam You can clearly hear Ahmad laboring to breathe and they all even the friggin cop just walked around. Absolutely pitiful. Smdh
Yeah these tyrants only acted eventually because of the public outcry otherwise it would have been swept under the rug. There should be an enquiry into this and they should be held to account.
If Greg had had a stroke and hip replacement and Travis was worried about his health why did he even put his dad in a situation that involved a possible shootout since they’re saying he thought Ahmaud might have a gun
They went to settle a score . Ahmaud scared Travis so bad on February 11th. Dad probably said if we see that n word again we are going to put some fear in him too
Exactly! If my father had all those alignments my first reaction is to settle him down.. because what's not happening is us going the ER for another heart attack!
Ummm…”you are allowed to defend yourself” isn’t that what Mr. Aubrey was doing? He didn’t deserve to get chased down or confronted with a gun for jogging!?!?!?
Self defense.... 3 men with 2 large trucks and 2 guns pleading Self defense against 1 man running from them? I don't see why you would defend this imo.
Let's hear from Ahmaud Arbery. I'll bet He feared for his life with those bigoted bastards chasing him in trucks. While carrying guns attempting to unlawfully stop him by any means possible.
And the fact that these fuckers thought that they were ENTITLED to have Ahmaud talk to him. Dude, I'm white and I don't want to talk to white guys holding shotguns with rebel flag plates.
But one day it will be the white running through a neighborhood just wait Russia and America Nuclear War will change everything then things will be turned around.....
@@VegasRT500 you see it as a trump thing i see it as western CULTURE thing, the woke left gave birth to the far right, your BOTH corrupted cult like ideology, extremism is extremism regardless what side you choose, it first started through brainwashed tv shows and movies i've seen it slowly erode logic and now we're abusing IVF treatment in MANUFACTURING babies for gays. Life is just something you create via test tubes now. Just like the movie "the matrix" taught us, the more you think you are free from the system the more deeper you are in it
His closing argument was weak because their case is extremely weak. He seems extremely inexperienced compared to the prosecution. Appealing to patriotism or duty to community is not an excuse to commit murder and pathetic.They stalked and murdered Ahmaud because he "suspiciously" jogged while black down the road and then when he was out of breath tried to defend himself against 3 angry men yelling expletives, 2 trucks, and 2 guns.
He's counting on the jury to be the type of people that being able to hunt people in their neighborhood they suspect or assume are "up to no good", appeals to. And they probably are they probably are.
He's doing a fine job as a defense attorney... he doesn't have much to work with! It's hard defending guilty people. The evidence is not in there favor, I think he did good with what he had to work with.
@@kylaarmstrong-benjamin8066 The facts are honestly worse. They pursued him based on someone else's word he was seen near properties that were burglarized, then pursued him based on that when they witnessed nothing criminal actually happen. They were playing sheriff and murdered a man. Even if he was the person committing all those robberies there was no justification to try and detain him that day. Why this self defense claim is so weak and will fail. There was no exigent circumstances, it was just him running in the area and they believed he was the person neighborhood watch believed was stealing, so little to stand on for a defense.
This closing arguments from the defense is not what the facts where! They want the jury too believe that Travis and his Pa are sincere people....not at all! Those two killed Ahmaud.
The 3 off them When someone committing a crime if you're there with them you're just as guilty by association, not only that Bryayn helped by boxing hit him with his truck then attempted to hit again is the reason Ahmaud Arbery ran in the ditch. What's amazing he didn't really know why the Mcmichaels was chasing Ahmaud. If he had just stuck to filming he wouldn't be facing the same charges as the Mcmichaels
Defending lawyer looks dumber than the criminal defending such crime backed by loads of evidence and testimonies. The analogies he is using are totally irrelevant.
It is mind boggling that Travis would think that by saying ,"I was in fear for my father's safety". Are you kidding me. Ahmaud was JOGGING....what would a reasonable person do in Ahmaud's case? He conducted himself completely reasonably, in spite of fearing for his life. And finally after being chased and cornered like a rat....he tried to get that gun away from Travis. This is such a non brainer, but yet these lame arguments have to be brought to the light. What a kick ass prosecutor...I wonder if she was prosecuting Rittenhouse if the results would have been different.
This is what I am hearing from Travis' attorney. Travis can fear for his life and the safety of others. Travis is allowed to point the gun at and try to hit Ahmaud with his truck because he has fear. Ahmaud isn't allowed to run due to him being fearful. Ahmaud is not allowed to fear for his life and then fight for it. Travis' lawyers said police pull their guns like this all the time while searching for suspects. He forgot to say they announce "police" throughout the search.
So anyone can walk up to the judge, point a gun at him, and say you are under arrest, and that takes away his right the self-defense? What are these people on?
3 against 1, actually 9 including the 3 trucks and 3 guns talk about Trauma Mr. Aubrey must have been feeling, how cold hearted you people are, Lord have mercy on y'all!
Imagine being a lawyer for the defense, knowing that you have to try and make a legitimate case for these murderous clowns. It's easy for us to ridicule their arguments, but it must be a nightmare building a defense for such blatantly guilty clients. I wonder if they were offered any sort of plea deal?
They said Roddy lawyer tried to put in a motion for one
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When you sell your soul to the devil he will supply you with the information needed because you no longer have morals empathy kindness in your heart. And if the day of judgement comes and big old St Pete is at the pearly gates he is gonna point those lawyers to the stairwell or the express elevator to Hades
@@traceejohnson290 That thought always crosses my mind. I always try telling myself though that for a conviction to stick, there has to be a vigorous defense otherwise the case gets thrown out on appeal, ya know? I still could ever represent a guilty client, especially in a case like this or one involving hurting a child.
Even the guys he is trying to defend aren’t buying this closing argument. If I were a defense attorney, I would not take this case . I’m not trying to lose a case on national tv and expect to get more cases there after.
@@klasickoe229 I agree, they had zero right to pursue and confront Mr. Aurbury. Even if amhad committed a crime they had the obligation to phone the police first and possibly follow to ID not confront.
These two shouldn’t brought gun at the first place period, everything that the defense lawyer said at the closing arguments was absurd. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out. Lock them up!
Even if he did have the right to obtain him, he didn’t have to leave the safety of his truck, he could have just followed him until the police arrived.
Those 3- clowns could’ve did 6 to 1- 1/2 a dozen to the other/but then they wouldn’t look too good at their klansman meeting the following month..?..!..🤷♂️
@@scottrmclaughlin3495: What a dumb comment...Aubrey shouldn't have grabbed the barrel of the shotgun and tried to wrestle it away...That and the fact that Travis and his dad should've just followed him until the Police arrived are the two bad decisions here...
@@if6turnedouttobe9 We can all say shoulda after the fact. No one really knows what they would do facing that situation. You have but a moment to act. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't' which was extremely unfortunate for him. These guys have to pay either way.
Its crazy on defense, said the father had a hip replacement 2 heart attacks and a stroke. Running grabbing a handgun, hops in the back of a pick-up truck, Wow...
Ironic. Travis didn't afford ahmaud the same luxury. He didn't do all he could do to get to the truth, which would have been calling the cops, letting then handle it. He didn't know whether he had stolen anything, but he was perfectly fine with chasing him down, causing a confrontation, and ending his life.
I just don't understand how the defense attorneys thought this was a winning argument. Chase after somebody and play the victim all at the same time? Nuts.
So much bullsh*t from this attorney. He says we should believe Brooke Perez when she says Travis was upset. Brooke is a drama queen and proved to be one on the stand. Plus, Travis could’ve been acting for the sake of police on scene. He showed no remorse when he turned his back after murdering Ahmaud and showed no remorse by victim blaming Ahmaud while on the stand. The lawyer says the state criticized Travis for testifying. Uhm, no. The truth is Travis was criticized for lying! The attorney says we should not assume Travis is biased. Of course we should! Travis is on trial for his life and wants the jury to come back with an acquittal. The lawyer says bringing up all the things Travis could have done differently is a red herring?! Yet, he and Travis kept saying Ahmaud could have run through a ditch, blah blah blah. Then, the lawyer says the state is claiming that pulling up next to someone with a truck is aggravated assault. No, they’re saying that chasing someone with a truck, pointing guns at the person, and refusing to back down are aggravated assault and false imprisonment. This lawyer is a liar and a gaslighter.
This is next level vigilantism and cold blooded murder. These guys jumped into two pickup trucks armed to the teeth and chased down an unarmed man who at best committed non-violent trespassing. They then shot him down like a dog when he attempted to defend himself. Decide for yourselves…
Ahmaud Arbery, 5-10, 170 lbs and unarmed vs. 3 white men, 2 with guns, 3 pickup trucks. And you want us to believe after a 5 minute chase that Travis McMichael was the scared one????
Sure, you don’t need to announce a citizens arrest but you have to SEE them commit the crime, which they did not. Now I know why they keep asking for a mistrial ….. they’re loosing.
Also, if they were attempting a citizens arrest, it might have been an idea to mention that to the police at any stage in the investigation. At all. But no, wait until the trial and then say it. Sure. That's close enough. Right?
@@hannahalice1000 yeah what makes it tough is that he tried to wrestle the gun away from him and he only shot him after that. But it’s clear that the men with guns didn’t have enough legal justification to take out their weapons and aim them at him.
Oh yea. There is alot of evidence for that. Their facebook rants were racial. Also, Travis called Arbury "n@$&er" as Arbury laid on ground bleeding out.
He filmed a murder he participated in and gave his phone, with kiddie videos in it, to the police. This guy probably needs an instruction manuel to show him how to swallow soup.
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 I agree, arbery probably did intend on burglarizing that property.. I also believe Arbery had some mental health challenges ( his family eluded to it and their is medical records) but none of that matters!.. they didn't see him do anything wrong and arbery wasn't an active threat, the McMichael's had no right to approach him with a weapon. This was manslaughter at best and murder at its worst.
Stop and get on the ground by shotgun, by complete strangers, with the other in the back of a confederate flag posted pick up truck with a hand gun. Who wouldn't try & fight !!
Mr. Lawyer how would you feel about another lawyer defending someone who unjustly murders a loved one of yours... Despicable how can you defend crime for a few pennies
1:35 to 2:08 "You are allowed to defend yourself, your allowed to use force" Thought he was defending Arbery grabbing the gun to defend himself for 30 seconds :) I like how he ignores everything that leads up to it.
It's hard to listen to those nonsense of defense, if you stop by alongside with your neighbors and say hi that's different than you are pulling alongside and demand a stranger to stop and answer your stupid questions. One is showing respect and one is ignorance are totally different.
It's a pity Papa didn't call to his son, neither did the son say, "No Papa!" Can you imagine these guys during segregation and when blacks couldn't vote? It must have been terror for blacks.
Maybe you don’t have to tell the person you are pursuing that “you are under arrest”, but that is something you want to tell the police you were doing when they arrive and see the dead body. 🤷🏾♂️
God bless the USA! Move to Africa, Iraq, or China, if you don't like it. This is not a racist country..we have the best legal system in the world. Kyle was found not guilty and justice was served, the McMichael's will be found guilty and justice will once again be served.
I would be very afraid if I was the mcmicheals or Bryant after this closing argument! The state broke down every charge in a way that this guy just basically seconded everything that she said! I’ve never seen someone fall into a trap laid out this good!
This is why there are police. It’s not there job to do there own policing . If they had left it to the police this young man would still be alive . Guilty
I use to drive through that same neighborhood looking at houses dreaming of a better life.I loved to see the nice big houses.Amaud lived across the street from that neighborhood in fancy bluff so I'm sure he too was jogging and dreaming of better life.
Pretty disgusting how the defence lawyers try to portray the murders as victims. I know accused people deserve a defence, but how do these lawyers sleep at night when they KNOW they are twisting the facts?
I love watching the clip where he gets pissy with the prosecutor over her not marking an exhibit before she hands it to him. She has this tone like, "spare me from the ego of mediocre male lawyers.
I feel like as a defense attorney you should just be straight up with your client sometimes like… “Damn bruh.. yeah you’re guilty. Want me to ask for a plea deal?”
Only person in this event had the right to self defend and that was Aubrey.
Wrong
@@tomwayne3755 no, it's the truth.
@@tomwayne3755 nope legal fact
@@tomwayne3755 “wRonG”…lol. Lay off the meth.
Yeah no, when someone tries to forcefully disarm someone, it becomes an opportunity to shoot them legally
It's not self defense when you provoked the entire incident. We all know what happened. Lock them up .
This is also what happened with Rittenhouse, he provoked everything and got away for self defense.
I agree.
@@ather1276 you need to relook at the evidence. Being chased is avoiding not provoking, then running towards the police is not evading, the second guy hits hom from behind, Kyle lost his balance, when he fell, guy 3 kicks him in his head, skateboard boy hits him across head and shoulders w a skateboard then grabbed his gun, getting shot in the process, rosenkruetz stepped back wasn't shot, when he produced that glock Kyle shot him the arm. All fully self defense by any stable,logical mind.
Kyle was self defense. These two incidents were not comparable.
Not even close...You're so wrong it's not even funny...
The closing arguments of the defense was like weak toilet paper, all it did was smear shyt.
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I don't think the defense even believed his self-defense excuse.
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I completely agree!👌
So real.... Smeared it right up their backs... Ahhh yulkkkkk
The defenses argument basically is, "I pointed my gun at an unarmed man first and then the unarmed man tried to fight for his life by grabbing the gun so I shot him in self defense." That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You don't get to be the armed aggressor and then claim self defense because the other person is fighting for their life in self defense from you.
Try to imagine the people on the jury. You just know they weren’t buying what this defense attorney was selling. Hate how he tells them at one point to not be emotional, and then he injects emotion by saying Travis feared for his life and feared for his father’s life and Travis needs you to extend your hand to help him. His whole argument is built on emotion and none of it makes any logical sense.
@@monicductan5002 Hrms, They had a right to defend themselfs. Well is that not what Arbery was doing in the first place. I mean two southen men with guns cut me off in the road while I'm jogging. What the hell would you do.
You are so wrong it's nauseating...you fell for a contortion of law by this pathetic prosecution...GA self-defense law is clear...only if you have NO OTHER WAY OUT may you use lethal force, OR in fact use self-defense altogether...The "stand your ground law" was not meant for someone TO APPROACH someone using that law? In this case Aubery approached THE DEFENDANT getting physical. In fact the DEFENDANT had the right to "stand your ground law". They never got physical, Aubery did.
Suspect turned to face his followers and attacked the defendant (WAS NOT ALLOWED TO under GA law)..He had other ways out...Could've kept running as he was doing for 5 minutes, could have ran into someone's yard and jumped fences, he was young enough to do so, a "jogger" no?
Could have run home, called the police from his house...had OTHER options, BUT he decided to attack a man holding a gun? He reasonably should have known he could get shot but did that action anyway...That disallows him retribution...he then placed the defendant in a "no other way out" position and the defendant acted UNDER DURESS.
I put it to you, that Arbery was NOT scared of them, he knew they were NOT there to "shoot him", as he saw them following him for 5 minutes...defendants had AMPLE time to run him over or shoot at him from a distance or close up...he was on foot, they were in vehicles, DO THE MATH. But defendants never harmed him.
The dynamics ONLY changed when Arbery decided to attack them. He was NOT "self-defending", no shots were fired at him, nor was he confronted...Arbery was the one confronting by turning around and approaching, attempting to go by them, then one defendant pulled sideways with his truck trying to stop him...
ask YOURSELF...as Arbery approached the defendant, why did defendant NOT SHOOT? When Arbery HIT defendant against the head, why did defendant STILL not shoot, Arbery was an easy target was he not? Only when Arbery began fighting defendant for his gun, defendant saw "no way out". Defendant testified...he was strong, I was not about to let him take my gun and shoot me and my dad.
The trigger was only pulled UNDER DURESS, not before, nor after. Defendant was entitled to self-defense. The presence of the gun does not mean a "planned murder" nor "a hunt", as the theory sold to you and the jury, The gun was for self-defense, video shows THAT was what it was used for...they did not know either whether Arbery may become combative and maybe had a knife?
This "hunting a black man" nonsense is ludicrous. Further Arbery was convicted of SHOP LIFTING and a two times felon under probation...no wonder he would not wait for the police...why not run in his own neighborhood? defendants recognized him on a video inside a residence under construction looking around, obviously he was there in that area looking for something like tools or materials he could steal...
Once a thief always a thief. Incompetent defense attorneys, overzealous prosecutor and judge playing for the cameras caused a bad day for jurisprudence.
@@andyr9654 Dude, if you think I'm sitting here and reading that entire book that you just wrote, then you better think again.
@@jimcab4279 Typical, that's why this country has gone dumber, you want to cast an opinion, but you are too lazy to read, too lazy to study the case properly. Instead, you allow yourself to be TOLD how it is and bamboozled along the way.
Daddy clambered up into the bed of that truck. I can't do that without having heart attacks stroke or hip replaced. Sonny you weren't afraid for anyone. You and daddy were on the hunt. Lock these fools up
Like yesterday... already!!🤣
Right? poor dad, so disabled! total crap!!!!!
Exactly.. lock them FOOLS up!!!
"You are allowed to defend yourself, even if it can cause harm or death to the person, if it is necessary"
But Aubury didn't have the right to defend himself out of fear or worry for his life or safety?
Arbery had every right to DEFEND HIMSELF!
It's called "White Privilege". The reality is different sets of (unwritten) laws for Blacks and Whites.
Yeah when someone tries to forcefully disarm someone, it becomes an opportunity to shoot them legally
Almost as if he was making the prosecutions case for her
The fact of drawing down on someone with weapons and chasing them with your vehicle as the aggressor and somehow THEY were the victims is top shelf grandstanding by this attorney
I think you'd feel different if it were your neighborhood being terrorized by criminals, one of your neighbors tried detaining someone they suspected of being one of those criminals and the same outcome occurred.
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 if one of my neighbors did this and killed the wrong person that wouldn't make me feel better in any way. Intentions be damned they killed someone based off of a hunch that they had the right person
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 once I saw the facts id feel the same. I wouldn't live in a neighborhoods filled with racists either. Rod, the guy who filmed it, even said Travis called Arbery a f`n n word over his dead body.
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 you can't suspect that someone is "terrorizing" your neighborhood and shoot them dead! That's why we have police, the law and are supposed to be a civilized society! People need to understand that not only they have rights other people have rights as well. Only a senseless, hateful person would support this nonsense 🙄
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 This has been our neighborhood and the sheriff told us to call the police. DON'T TRY TO DETAIN THEM. The police had already told them that Aubrey had not taken anything
His dad hip wasn't hurting that day he had energy to get in the truck in order to do a evil deed.
So it's ok for a stranger to approach a unbeknownst female jogger at night on a road and point a gun saying he wants to talk to her? She has every right to fight for her life
Omg I could not even imagine being in that situation.😭😢
Exactly what I said.
On point. Exactly!!!!!!!!
You are comparing apples to oranges sorry. Have some intelligence.
@@andyr9654 why do you say that?
They had No business doing what they did. They are not the police. Lock them up!!!!
...and if Arbery grabbed the gun of police and got shot? I doubt you'd take the side of the police. Right?
@@charlestalarico7682 They certainly are not the police. Maybe more like neighborhood vigilantes.
Arbery had no business ransacking those houses in the middle of the night either
@@tomwayne3755 It's too early for your hate and lies. Go repent of your sins because I can discern you have heart trouble!
See this is where people need to get educated. One is a cop my friend. An ex cop another a vet. People never educate themselves, but have no problem opening their mouth. We need a thinking society again or at all. Although I agree they are out of line
Funny how this lawyer acts like they were 100 percent allowed to tell someone, who they admitted they didn't see commit a crime, to get on the ground with a weapon drawn.
This lawyer is reaching for shit that isn't there for the McMichael's at this point.
Funny how you say "see a crime" rather than "aware of a crime" which is what the defense's case actually was built on, and how you insinuate that arresting someone while armed is somehow ethically different than trying to arrest someone without being armed.
.I love it when White Nationalism gets a smack down
@Mark Calous Actually you can. If you see them commit a felony, and they resist arrest violently.
Have these people never heard of actual self defense? "I chased him; ran him down; got out of the car with a shotgun; and I am upset because the other guy tried to defend himself...so I shot him 3 times...".
I look forward to seeing these people mouth breath from prison.
I agree, you chase someone down, you have a gun threatening them, they have the right to defend one's self period. Mr. Aurbury may have trespassed, but thays not physically harming or treating a person or committing harm.
I wonder what dad would've done if he was backed in a corner like a rat? Hmmmmm 🤔
This case is very simple when you leave out half the story.
According to this lame brain defense attorney - a criminal offender would have the right to use self defense in a incident they provoked. So if someone was trying kidnap, rob or rape you and you fought back - the offender would be justified in killing you. This is basically what the defense is saying and that’s crazy as hell.
ALL THREE claimed 12th-grade education. Nothing after gOOberville High.
It’s amazing how he speaks of their fear - without even thinking of Ahmauds fear!
That is what Ruthless heartless Defense attorneys do🤨
That's not his job
@@Be1smaht You are not wrong - but I find it...dumb...naive...to claim that 'his fear' was a reason behind the shooting; If he was afraid - well then Imagine how Ahmad felt!?
Good post
His job.
He tells them to leave their emotions out of it, then proceeds to try and get them to feel emotional about it. Ass..
You caught that too huh? 🤣🤣
He had already pointed his weapon at Arbery before Arbery even approached his vehicle. It not self defense when someone attempts to take the gun you're pointing at him.
The defence's closing arguments are so incredibly weak I feel embarrassed for them arguing it
*defense’s
@@AriesGirlTAROT defense can be spelled defence. But definitely needs the ‘s.
The original English spelling of the word is spelt with a "c" then people in 18th century that live in this country they now call America decided to change certain words from the English language to their liking now it could be spelt either way but I am English so I spell it with a "c" thank you
@@AriesGirlTAROT only in America friend
It would have bein a hard case to win for the defence, hard to make a strong argument for self defence given the circumstances of the case.
NO ONE TENDED TO THE DECEASED WHILE HE WAS ON GROUND SLOWLY DYING BUT STILL ALIVE. COPS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE MURDERERS!!
Yep. When i watched the first officer to get there's body cam You can clearly hear Ahmad laboring to breathe and they all even the friggin cop just walked around. Absolutely pitiful. Smdh
Yeah these tyrants only acted eventually because of the public outcry otherwise it would have been swept under the rug. There should be an enquiry into this and they should be held to account.
If Greg had had a stroke and hip replacement and Travis was worried about his health why did he even put his dad in a situation that involved a possible shootout since they’re saying he thought Ahmaud might have a gun
You are absolutely correct.
Facts
They went to settle a score . Ahmaud scared Travis so bad on February 11th.
Dad probably said if we see that n word again we are going to put some fear in him too
Exactly! If my father had all those alignments my first reaction is to settle him down.. because what's not happening is us going the ER for another heart attack!
That's funny 😄 😆 🤣 😂 😁 😀 😄 if he was so 😟 concerned about his so called DAD BEING SICK 😷 😳 THEN WHY WAS THEY EVEN BOTHERING HIM LIER
The dad is smart. He is eating snacks while he can cause he knows he ain't getting chips in prison lol.
Prison commissary always sells chips. Hot and spicy pork skins are called “prison spice”.
@@scottbaxendale323 Ramen noodles 🍜😋
Yep 👍🏽 Lol, 🤣
😭😭😭😭🤣
😋😋😋 And no more Georgia boiled peanuts and fried turkey wings South Georgia finest
Ummm…”you are allowed to defend yourself” isn’t that what Mr. Aubrey was doing? He didn’t deserve to get chased down or confronted with a gun for jogging!?!?!?
You cant claim self defense from your victim you’re going after!
Self defense.... 3 men with 2 large trucks and 2 guns pleading Self defense against 1 man running from them? I don't see why you would defend this imo.
This is a good example of how a slimy lawyer misrepresents the law.
Let's hear from Ahmaud Arbery. I'll bet He feared for his life with those bigoted bastards chasing him in trucks. While carrying guns attempting to unlawfully stop him by any means possible.
And the fact that these fuckers thought that they were ENTITLED to have Ahmaud talk to him. Dude, I'm white and I don't want to talk to white guys holding shotguns with rebel flag plates.
@@Insipid42 💯💯💯💯
But one day it will be the white running through a neighborhood just wait Russia and America Nuclear War will change everything then things will be turned around.....
Defense summation: Screw facts, feelings are more important.
Kinda like the lame brained Rittenhouse prosecution and their room temp IQ supporters.
@@Mat-threw Whataboutism
@@Mat-threw Rittenhouse the double murderer.
That sums up red hat MAGA Trump cult members. They like conspiracy over truth and facts.
@@VegasRT500 you see it as a trump thing i see it as western CULTURE thing, the woke left gave birth to the far right, your BOTH corrupted cult like ideology, extremism is extremism regardless what side you choose, it first started through brainwashed tv shows and movies i've seen it slowly erode logic and now we're abusing IVF treatment in MANUFACTURING babies for gays. Life is just something you create via test tubes now. Just like the movie "the matrix" taught us, the more you think you are free from the system the more deeper you are in it
His closing argument was weak because their case is extremely weak. He seems extremely inexperienced compared to the prosecution. Appealing to patriotism or duty to community is not an excuse to commit murder and pathetic.They stalked and murdered Ahmaud because he "suspiciously" jogged while black down the road and then when he was out of breath tried to defend himself against 3 angry men yelling expletives, 2 trucks, and 2 guns.
He's counting on the jury to be the type of people that being able to hunt people in their neighborhood they suspect or assume are "up to no good", appeals to.
And they probably are
they probably are.
@@kylaarmstrong-benjamin8066 not juror #12. LOL
He's doing a fine job as a defense attorney... he doesn't have much to work with! It's hard defending guilty people. The evidence is not in there favor, I think he did good with what he had to work with.
@@kylaarmstrong-benjamin8066 The facts are honestly worse. They pursued him based on someone else's word he was seen near properties that were burglarized, then pursued him based on that when they witnessed nothing criminal actually happen. They were playing sheriff and murdered a man. Even if he was the person committing all those robberies there was no justification to try and detain him that day. Why this self defense claim is so weak and will fail. There was no exigent circumstances, it was just him running in the area and they believed he was the person neighborhood watch believed was stealing, so little to stand on for a defense.
How can defend the indefensible anyway? Their case was dead on arrival. Lock'em up!
This closing arguments from the defense is not what the facts where! They want the jury too believe that Travis and his Pa are sincere people....not at all! Those two killed Ahmaud.
Chased him like a runaway slave. Any buying this redirect is beat for conversation/ nonsense!
Yup. N they have made racist comments about black ppl before n Travis previously said if I catch one of those N words here my gun will show them
Those 3 killed Ahmaud
The 3 off them When someone committing a crime if you're there with them you're just as guilty by association, not only that Bryayn helped by boxing hit him with his truck then attempted to hit again is the reason Ahmaud Arbery ran in the ditch. What's amazing he didn't really know why the Mcmichaels was chasing Ahmaud. If he had just stuck to filming he wouldn't be facing the same charges as the Mcmichaels
Defending lawyer looks dumber than the criminal defending such crime backed by loads of evidence and testimonies. The analogies he is using are totally irrelevant.
Travis being afraid of his dads health is contrary to their actual actions. If how he looked is evidence here then so are his hateful words.
Sick dad should have stayed on porch.
🎯 These dudes are a clowns!!
It is mind boggling that Travis would think that by saying ,"I was in fear for my father's safety". Are you kidding me. Ahmaud was JOGGING....what would a reasonable person do in Ahmaud's case? He conducted himself completely reasonably, in spite of fearing for his life. And finally after being chased and cornered like a rat....he tried to get that gun away from Travis. This is such a non brainer, but yet these lame arguments have to be brought to the light. What a kick ass prosecutor...I wonder if she was prosecuting Rittenhouse if the results would have been different.
@@alanjackson8028 ….and kept his dumb mouth shut.
These guys went hunting and a young man lost his life....lock em up..
Ahmaud had absolutely nothing to account to his killers for...those men had no right to stop him at all
He shot him 3 times. He could've just not did that. Problem solved.
Police school says shoot to kill
@@zhoubaidinh403 one shot from a shotgun at point blank range is shooting to kill.
I don’t see how the Defence could actually accept let alone present that bullshit.
This is what I am hearing from Travis' attorney. Travis can fear for his life and the safety of others. Travis is allowed to point the gun at and try to hit Ahmaud with his truck because he has fear. Ahmaud isn't allowed to run due to him being fearful. Ahmaud is not allowed to fear for his life and then fight for it. Travis' lawyers said police pull their guns like this all the time while searching for suspects. He forgot to say they announce "police" throughout the search.
Right 😄😁😆
So anyone can walk up to the judge, point a gun at him, and say you are under arrest, and that takes away his right the self-defense? What are these people on?
Crack. That's what their on.
What were they on?
These white "good ole boys" from the south were on a power trip thinking they could do what they wanted
3 against 1, actually 9 including the 3 trucks and 3 guns talk about Trauma Mr. Aubrey must have been feeling, how cold hearted you people are, Lord have mercy on y'all!
It seems all Travis’s lawyer seems to be doing is saying how Travis feels instead of facts.
Imagine being a lawyer for the defense, knowing that you have to try and make a legitimate case for these murderous clowns. It's easy for us to ridicule their arguments, but it must be a nightmare building a defense for such blatantly guilty clients. I wonder if they were offered any sort of plea deal?
They said Roddy lawyer tried to put in a motion for one
When you sell your soul to the devil he will supply you with the information needed because you no longer have morals empathy kindness in your heart. And if the day of judgement comes and big old St Pete is at the pearly gates he is gonna point those lawyers to the stairwell or the express elevator to Hades
They obviously don't mind, they took the case as their private lawyers to defend them, think about it🤔
@@traceejohnson290 That thought always crosses my mind. I always try telling myself though that for a conviction to stick, there has to be a vigorous defense otherwise the case gets thrown out on appeal, ya know? I still could ever represent a guilty client, especially in a case like this or one involving hurting a child.
Even the guys he is trying to defend aren’t buying this closing argument. If I were a defense attorney, I would not take this case . I’m not trying to lose a case on national tv and expect to get more cases there after.
Guns Vs fists Wow that sums up the defence team, they have broken eggs in the basket I mean flaws, Guilty for sure
Yes.... because no one has ever died or been injured while being beaten with fists.
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 Use your common sense! These 3 idiots need to take personal responsibility for their actions!
@@klasickoe229 I agree, they had zero right to pursue and confront Mr. Aurbury. Even if amhad committed a crime they had the obligation to phone the police first and possibly follow to ID not confront.
These two shouldn’t brought gun at the first place period, everything that the defense lawyer said at the closing arguments was absurd. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out. Lock them up!
Travis should go to jail simply based off the abomination of a haircut he has
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Man I spit my beer across the room😂😂😂😂
That hairline is receding faster than the ice caps😂
@@johnson4523 that boy stressed
@@henryharris7690 🤣🤣
Even if he did have the right to obtain him, he didn’t have to leave the safety of his truck, he could have just followed him until the police arrived.
Those 3- clowns could’ve did 6 to 1- 1/2 a dozen to the other/but then they wouldn’t look too good at their klansman meeting the following month..?..!..🤷♂️
@@scottrmclaughlin3495: What a dumb comment...Aubrey shouldn't have grabbed the barrel of the shotgun and tried to wrestle it away...That and the fact that Travis and his dad should've just followed him until the Police arrived are the two bad decisions here...
@@if6turnedouttobe9 i bet you'd let those 3 " citizens arrest" you but don't worry we'll start a search party for u
@@DIron17: Anytime, bring it on...I have a place in Norcross...
@@if6turnedouttobe9 We can all say shoulda after the fact. No one really knows what they would do facing that situation. You have but a moment to act. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't' which was extremely unfortunate for him. These guys have to pay either way.
Its crazy on defense, said the father had a hip replacement 2 heart attacks and a stroke. Running grabbing a handgun, hops in the back of a pick-up truck, Wow...
Ironic. Travis didn't afford ahmaud the same luxury. He didn't do all he could do to get to the truth, which would have been calling the cops, letting then handle it. He didn't know whether he had stolen anything, but he was perfectly fine with chasing him down, causing a confrontation, and ending his life.
Did this fool really just compare being questioned as a potential juror to being questioned by police after murdering someone?
I thought the same thing. This guy is not very good at illustrating the point he’s trying to make. Lol
He's an entire privileged fool!!
Evidence is clear that innocent young man was minding his own business when brutality murdered
I just don't understand how the defense attorneys thought this was a winning argument. Chase after somebody and play the victim all at the same time? Nuts.
So much bullsh*t from this attorney. He says we should believe Brooke Perez when she says Travis was upset. Brooke is a drama queen and proved to be one on the stand. Plus, Travis could’ve been acting for the sake of police on scene. He showed no remorse when he turned his back after murdering Ahmaud and showed no remorse by victim blaming Ahmaud while on the stand. The lawyer says the state criticized Travis for testifying. Uhm, no. The truth is Travis was criticized for lying! The attorney says we should not assume Travis is biased. Of course we should! Travis is on trial for his life and wants the jury to come back with an acquittal. The lawyer says bringing up all the things Travis could have done differently is a red herring?! Yet, he and Travis kept saying Ahmaud could have run through a ditch, blah blah blah. Then, the lawyer says the state is claiming that pulling up next to someone with a truck is aggravated assault. No, they’re saying that chasing someone with a truck, pointing guns at the person, and refusing to back down are aggravated assault and false imprisonment. This lawyer is a liar and a gaslighter.
They paid for this lawyer? Damn....he must have been the discounted guy.
best defense lawyers lawyers if you’re fixing a guilty verdict.
This is next level vigilantism and cold blooded murder. These guys jumped into two pickup trucks armed to the teeth and chased down an unarmed man who at best committed non-violent trespassing. They then shot him down like a dog when he attempted to defend himself.
Decide for yourselves…
Ahmaud Arbery, 5-10, 170 lbs and unarmed vs. 3 white men, 2 with guns, 3 pickup trucks. And you want us to believe after a 5 minute chase that Travis McMichael was the scared one????
Suuure he was, and I am Mary frickin Poppins. They violated that man's rights and it ended in murder,
This is the card that's used against black people they always scared but approach us question us and try and police us I blame Trump
@@shannongriffin63 naw it ain’t trump. That was just an excuse for them to b more blatant with shit they already been having in their hearts.
So he can go from the Coast Guard to impersonating a cop?! Ok!
Sure, you don’t need to announce a citizens arrest but you have to SEE them commit the crime, which they did not. Now I know why they keep asking for a mistrial ….. they’re loosing.
They LOST!!!
Yeah no, when someone tries to forcefully disarm someone, it becomes an opportunity to shoot them legally
@@collingold4562 Yeah no you don't get to chase someone down with guns , corner them, and claim self defense when they fight back.
Also, if they were attempting a citizens arrest, it might have been an idea to mention that to the police at any stage in the investigation. At all.
But no, wait until the trial and then say it. Sure. That's close enough. Right?
@@hannahalice1000 yeah what makes it tough is that he tried to wrestle the gun away from him and he only shot him after that. But it’s clear that the men with guns didn’t have enough legal justification to take out their weapons and aim them at him.
This closing argument has me laughing. It's got to be a bad joke.
I’m not sure why they went so far into the Coast Guard nonsense. Wtf does that have to do with him murdering Ahmaud?!
I really wish the fact that both were outwardly, publicly raging racists was allowed as evidence.
Oh yea. There is alot of evidence for that. Their facebook rants were racial. Also, Travis called Arbury "n@$&er" as Arbury laid on ground bleeding out.
I am curious if they are part of KKK. Their behavior the day they chased Arbury is classic "old school lynchings".
Yep, like the confederate flag on the front bumper of the truck.
The dad was member of an alt-right organization. Can’t remember the name…the Dixie somethings.
Once they're ALL IN JAIL, we need to investigate the police and the favoritism they showed these murderous hicks.
Travis should have stayed home
He filmed a murder he participated in and gave his phone, with kiddie videos in it, to the police.
This guy probably needs an instruction manuel to show him how to swallow soup.
Never hire a lawyer from Amazon.
Two guy are confronting each other. A is unarmed and B is armed with a shotgun, loaded and aimed. Who should be more afraid ?
The one that had just previously committed a felony and was running from the crime scene.
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 no crime scene to be found to run away from. You need psychological evaluation.
Don't forget the chasing and shouting part.
@@brianmccollaum8893 not at all, you’re battling against an evil person. It’s a natural thing to them
@@commonsenseandpersonalresp5197 I agree, arbery probably did intend on burglarizing that property.. I also believe Arbery had some mental health challenges ( his family eluded to it and their is medical records) but none of that matters!.. they didn't see him do anything wrong and arbery wasn't an active threat, the McMichael's had no right to approach him with a weapon. This was manslaughter at best and murder at its worst.
They still never proved any robberies. What are we talking about.
So the defense is stating that a private citizen can walk up to a random stranger and just tell them to stop and that's citizen arrest?
Stop and get on the ground by shotgun, by complete strangers, with the other in the back of a confederate flag posted pick up truck with a hand gun. Who wouldn't try & fight !!
It's hard to defend lies. By just listening to these 3 attorneys you can tell who is struggling.
Travis lied about Matt pointing, and placed such emphasis on it lol
Mr. Lawyer how would you feel about another lawyer defending someone who unjustly murders a loved one of yours... Despicable how can you defend crime for a few pennies
Who is this guy? His defense argument is HORRIBLE! Travis knows it too……you can see it on his face. 🤦🏾♀️
THIS DEFENSE TEAM IS A JOKE
He mentions Aubrey didn’t say anything and then says Travis has the right to remain silent haha
Yeah, I caught that too...
Man defense lawyers have NO sense or morality and NO sense of shame either...heartbreaking really.
1:35 to 2:08 "You are allowed to defend yourself, your allowed to use force" Thought he was defending Arbery grabbing the gun to defend himself for 30 seconds :) I like how he ignores everything that leads up to it.
It's hard to listen to those nonsense of defense, if you stop by alongside with your neighbors and say hi that's different than you are pulling alongside and demand a stranger to stop and answer your stupid questions.
One is showing respect and one is ignorance are totally different.
He missed the part in which a person can't walk up to you with a shotgun.
Who paid for this defense attorney!?!? Very weak..
travis looks nervous as hell. he can't go home that prison life is calling him by name
It's a pity Papa didn't call to his son, neither did the son say, "No Papa!"
Can you imagine these guys during segregation and when blacks couldn't vote? It must have been terror for blacks.
These are the kind of people that would have led lynch mobs and burned black peoples houses down for fun.
He made sure to stay away from how Ahmaud felt during all this. I know the jury got tired of hearing the name Travis.
@1:50 "you are allowed to defend yourself. You are allowed to use force"
In that one statement he completly made the prosecutions argument for them.
Exactly.. Where do the defendants “rights” stop and the Ahmaud’s begin.
I bet now that he would have kept his mouth closed.
This guy convicted the McMichaels all on his own (...and THEY had to pay him for it!! Hahahahaha)
Are you entitled to defend yourself from two gunmen plus one trying to hit you with his truck ?
Maybe you don’t have to tell the person you are pursuing that “you are under arrest”, but that is something you want to tell the police you were doing when they arrive and see the dead body. 🤷🏾♂️
He left out a whole lot of info in his closing argument. Hope the jury doesnt fall for it but this is Amerikkka
Shit, I am a conservative white man, and I see through this, they are guilty of crossing the line and committing murder as a group.
God bless the USA! Move to Africa, Iraq, or China, if you don't like it. This is not a racist country..we have the best legal system in the world. Kyle was found not guilty and justice was served, the McMichael's will be found guilty and justice will once again be served.
@@realityhurts8697 I agree.
I would be very afraid if I was the mcmicheals or Bryant after this closing argument! The state broke down every charge in a way that this guy just basically seconded everything that she said! I’ve never seen someone fall into a trap laid out this good!
This is why there are police. It’s not there job to do there own policing . If they had left it to the police this young man would still be alive .
Guilty
AUBERY SAID THE LAST TIME WHITE MEN IN PICKUP TRUCKS … WENT AFTER A BLACK PERSON IT DIDNT END WELL ‘ RIP EMMIT TILL 😩😩😩
This lawyer should turn in his credentials & get a job at Burger King. What a joke.
So how do you think murder was supposed to fill after hunting a man down and just killing for no reason
Defense team should ask ur client why keep chasing him first place when he run away lol
Travis was afraid for him (his dad).. That's the funniest shit he said🤷🏾♂️😂
200 feet off shore 😂😂😂 think he meant miles
SOMBODY NEED TO TELL THIS DEFENSE.. RINGLING BROTHERS IS HIRING.. GET AMERICA WORKING AGAIN!!!!!!!
14:40 bringing up Travis working for the Coast Guard...just like the Prosecutor said he would She's masterful
I use to drive through that same neighborhood looking at houses dreaming of a better life.I loved to see the nice big houses.Amaud lived across the street from that neighborhood in fancy bluff so I'm sure he too was jogging and dreaming of better life.
Greg mcMichael was armed with a .357 magnum, while Ahmaud was unarmed. He was not the helpless old man the defense made him out to be.
Pretty disgusting how the defence lawyers try to portray the murders as victims.
I know accused people deserve a defence, but how do these lawyers sleep at night when they KNOW they are twisting the facts?
It sucks BUT a defence is a defence, you’re entitled to it no matter how nasty your clients are
They need to investigate or throw out All the cases that the elder Mongrel was involved betcha he's sent people to prison 🙄on bogus charges
This dude is a clown 🤡
I love watching the clip where he gets pissy with the prosecutor over her not marking an exhibit before she hands it to him. She has this tone like, "spare me from the ego of mediocre male lawyers.
This is the weakest, dumbest argument, he tried to poison the case by throwing race and fear into it.
Totality, Totality, and Totality. They must be fans of Tucker Carlson.
I feel like as a defense attorney you should just be straight up with your client sometimes like… “Damn bruh.. yeah you’re guilty. Want me to ask for a plea deal?”