Bishop Barrons - who thinks Jesus is merely the "privileged way" and who hopes hell is empty. Yea, I'll read the Fathers and not trust Barrons watered down, snippets.
Book XX (concerning the last judgment) wow! you don't mention it. My favorite section. Outlined and shared, read over dozens of times and I always glean something significant every time I read it.
Where did Saint Paul dismiss works as a means to enhance salvation? Saint Augustine similarly didn't dismiss the spiritual usefulness of works. Luther on the otherhand promulgated passages of imputed justification that suited his personal struggle to defeat his own scrupulosity. That was the reason for the reformation. Designer salvation indeed.
The Catholic Church, for example, agrees that we can’t merit our own salvation by means of work, but rather works are necessarily in the living out of faith. I’ve always thought Luther’s contrasting faith and works is in itself a false contrast. It’s two sides of the same coin, so to speak. The false opposition is echoed in the erroneous opposition of body and mind which Walker takes pains to dispel. I think Luther’s rebellion was begun due to his scrupulosity but then I suspect he got a taste of the powers and earthly pleasures he could enjoy by sinning boldly, once saved always saved, etc.
St. Augustine of Hippo “We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is catholic and which is called catholic not only by her own members but even by all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard” (The True Religion 7:12 [A.D. 390]). “We believe in the holy Church, that is, the Catholic Church; for heretics and schismatics call their own congregations churches. But heretics violate the faith itself by a false opinion about God; schismatics, however, withdraw from fraternal love by hostile separations, although they believe the same things we do. Consequently, neither heretics nor schismatics belong to the Catholic Church; not heretics, because the Church loves God, and not schismatics, because the Church loves neighbor” (Faith and Creed 10:21 [A.D. 393]). “If you should find someone who does not yet believe in the gospel, what would you [Mani] answer him when he says, ‘I do not believe’? Indeed, I would not believe in the gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so” (ibid., 5:6). “There are many other things which most properly can keep me in her [the Catholic Church’s] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15-17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house” (Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” 4:5 [A.D. 397]).
Really interesting, thanks! Augustine constantly bashes pagan religion and has a very low expectation of humans doing the right thing in City of God so I very much doubt Augustine believed in Karl Rahner’s idea of the anonymous Christian as suggested at 43:00 but CS Lewis certainly did, as they mention here.
Wasn’t there a doctor of the church who talked about Plato and Aristotle as paving the way for Christian thought… I need to be careful of my verbiage here, but perhaps serving God in a similar way that OT patriarchs did… Was it St. Jerome?
He says that original sin is a doctrine of the Bible. No, the idea of "original sin" is read into the Bible. You can read Genesis 3 without coming away with the "doctrine" of original sin. You can argue that Augustine's idea of original sin was a necessary premise to a larger speculative philosophical argument.
@@prettyhowtownprufrock3421 Well Philosophers have define sin as an act contrary to nature. For instance, a lie is contrary to the purpose of the faculty of speech, whose proper purpose is to speak truth. I have read a section of the meditations and Marcus Aurelius uses the word.
@@prettyhowtownprufrock3421 you CONTRACTED sin. And, get real, you're not innocent - you have sinned somewhere, somehow, sometime, on some level, against someone. Your arrogance is perfect example of mans ego thinking man is not only the bomb but over/above God.
Pela primeira vez falou alguem que chamou atençao pro obvio que os jornalistas da CNN (por contrato) tem que finger não ver.o massacre sem precedente nos ultimos tempos.
Recently, I went to Milan, where you can see the remains of the Baptistry where St Augustine was welcomed into the church by St Ambrose.
It’s such a relief to see that there is a place where people with different ideas can truly discuss.
Christians before Christians-Dante moment.
Great content guys
Awesome ! Thanks!. And God Bless you and everyone!
What I always remember from the confessions is his wholehearted enthusiasm for having been beaten as a child.
Where do you read that? He hates being beaten and thinks it’s antiquated, but inevitable (Confessions 1.9).
This was awesome 👏
This notion of contraction is useful when thinking of how to bring this into our daily lives.
So beautiful!!! Thank you so much!!! What a gracious man! Such a gracious discussion!!!
Thx for posting this.Ill add this link to Bishop Barrons youtube site as he is starting a series of lessons about the Holy fathers
Thank you and you and the Bishop may also be interested in Part 1/2 as well: ua-cam.com/video/G_mmvpsFAYs/v-deo.html
Bishop Barrons - who thinks Jesus is merely the "privileged way" and who hopes hell is empty. Yea, I'll read the Fathers and not trust Barrons watered down, snippets.
Book XX (concerning the last judgment) wow! you don't mention it. My favorite section. Outlined and shared, read over dozens of times and I always glean something significant every time I read it.
Great stuff.
CS Lewis and Augustine... I can't see how these two go together....
Where did Saint Paul dismiss works as a means to enhance salvation?
Saint Augustine similarly didn't dismiss the spiritual usefulness of works.
Luther on the otherhand promulgated passages of imputed justification that suited his personal struggle to defeat his own scrupulosity. That was the reason for the reformation.
Designer salvation indeed.
The Catholic Church, for example, agrees that we can’t merit our own salvation by means of work, but rather works are necessarily in the living out of faith. I’ve always thought Luther’s contrasting faith and works is in itself a false contrast. It’s two sides of the same coin, so to speak. The false opposition is echoed in the erroneous opposition of body and mind which Walker takes pains to dispel. I think Luther’s rebellion was begun due to his scrupulosity but then I suspect he got a taste of the powers and earthly pleasures he could enjoy by sinning boldly, once saved always saved, etc.
St. Augustine of Hippo
“We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is catholic and which is called catholic not only by her own members but even by all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard” (The True Religion 7:12 [A.D. 390]).
“We believe in the holy Church, that is, the Catholic Church; for heretics and schismatics call their own congregations churches. But heretics violate the faith itself by a false opinion about God; schismatics, however, withdraw from fraternal love by hostile separations, although they believe the same things we do. Consequently, neither heretics nor schismatics belong to the Catholic Church; not heretics, because the Church loves God, and not schismatics, because the Church loves neighbor” (Faith and Creed 10:21 [A.D. 393]).
“If you should find someone who does not yet believe in the gospel, what would you [Mani] answer him when he says, ‘I do not believe’? Indeed, I would not believe in the gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so” (ibid., 5:6).
“There are many other things which most properly can keep me in her [the Catholic Church’s] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15-17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house” (Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” 4:5 [A.D. 397]).
*Husbands love your wives, just as CHRIST also loved the Church and gave Himself for it* Ephesians 5:25
*..I will build My Church..*
Matthew 16:18
4:01 Present day Algeria not Tunisia
Really interesting, thanks! Augustine constantly bashes pagan religion and has a very low expectation of humans doing the right thing in City of God so I very much doubt Augustine believed in Karl Rahner’s idea of the anonymous Christian as suggested at 43:00 but CS Lewis certainly did, as they mention here.
Wasn’t there a doctor of the church who talked about Plato and Aristotle as paving the way for Christian thought… I need to be careful of my verbiage here, but perhaps serving God in a similar way that OT patriarchs did… Was it St. Jerome?
Checkered as in black-white, in-out, high-low, opposites, duality, male-female, wavey.
What’s this charity the guy talks avkut at 1:15:00??
He says that original sin is a doctrine of the Bible. No, the idea of "original sin" is read into the Bible. You can read Genesis 3 without coming away with the "doctrine" of original sin. You can argue that Augustine's idea of original sin was a necessary premise to a larger speculative philosophical argument.
Well the bible I would say manifests this truth. All men have sinned.
@buymebluepills good point. "Original sin" does become a "premise" that is somewhat encapsulating. It obscures other vital and important narratives.
@@michaelaguilera6908 What makes you say that all men have sinned. I have not sinned. Jesus has nothing on me.
@@prettyhowtownprufrock3421 Well Philosophers have define sin as an act contrary to nature. For instance, a lie is contrary to the purpose of the faculty of speech, whose proper purpose is to speak truth.
I have read a section of the meditations and Marcus Aurelius uses the word.
@@prettyhowtownprufrock3421 you CONTRACTED sin. And, get real, you're not innocent - you have sinned somewhere, somehow, sometime, on some level, against someone. Your arrogance is perfect example of mans ego thinking man is not only the bomb but over/above God.
Didn't Y'shua (Jesus) tell us to avoid philosophy?
I dont see any sense of the nature of possession
Unruliness is various possessions
Pela primeira vez falou alguem que chamou atençao pro obvio que os jornalistas da CNN (por contrato) tem que finger não ver.o massacre sem precedente nos ultimos tempos.
Bookmark: 53:26
Bookmark: 1:12:06
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Some of the efforts to talk about common agreement in the modern age have become really really twisted. Rousseau is notably one of the worst.
You can almost hear the COVID spreading in the room
This event video was recorded on November 6, 2019, before the COVID-19 pandemic.
I can hear the fear mongering, scamdemic, too!!! LOLOL
I can hear forced injections in your voice.
tha @#$%^ u taking about
change d video
@@maggiesace389
How many boosters have you had?