Right! Trumpism exactly. Including the new right-wing industry gold rush happening right now where grifters make a pretty healthy living just feeding off the fear and entitlement of his cult following. DEFINITELY scary 🫣
I LOVE that book. I think it's where I first encountered the theory that Anne of Cleves was not unattractive (contemporary sources described her as reasonably attractive, and Henry never punished Holbein for misleading him), but that she dealt Henry's ego a serious blow when she didn't swoon over the "handsome stranger" who came to her in disguise. Instead, she treated him like the middle-aged man he was (remember, this was a nearly fifty-year-old man, making a political marriage, who honestly expected Anne to "know him for her true love") and he never got over it, projecting that rejection back onto her because he couldn't handle an honest opinion. (Remember how he described her? Fat, unattractive, and smelly? Who else could that apply to?)
Plot twist, he systematically dismantled everything required to live a life with the amenities that facilitate hygiene, grooming and a peaceful and healthy life, and then reports how gross the girl he makes sure stays borderline homeless
It's crazy to think that most people will readily call Henry VIII a violent, untrustworthy, mean spirited and abusive man, but then take everything he says about his ex at face value. Thank you for making this video.
I had a really good English teacher in high school (Yeah... English, not history). He took the time to talk about Henry VIII as well as brief (a week) history of England at that time prior us learning Shakespeare. He made sure to say "This was what was said about , but we'll never know for sure."
People don't hate Anne because they trust Henry, they hate Anne because they love Catherine. Most people jus hate Boleyn because she was living stereotype, actually *multiple* stereotypes: the evil stepmother, the younger women who steals your husband, the oppotunistic -gold- throne digger. She destroyed the lives of Catherine and Mary, people hate her for this.
I've always hated the whole 'Oh Anne didn't reply to his letters because she was a devious little minx who knew it would inflame Henry's desire further and blahblahblahblah' and I've just always found that to be so stupid. I think Anne was very much making the best of a complicated and crazy situation. I'm sure she was very much convinced that once Henry heard her 'No I won't be your mistress. If you want THIS you'll have to be single and free to marry' he would back down and leave her be. How was she to know he was going to tell the pope to fuck off, divorce his wife, make his currently only surviving daughter illegitimate and then be all 'TADA! Single as a pringle! Now can we get married?'?
I still struggle to understand how a teenage girl could be beheaded by a well known adulterer like Henry 8th, it's so hard to reconcile the way patriarchy was so extreme in Britains past!
@@Jay-Kay-Buwembo Anne Boleyn wasn't a teenager when she was beheaded, she was likely in her late 20s or 30s (some even think she may have been in her mid to late 30s). Unless you're thinking of Katherine Howard, who was definitely still a teen at the time.
I'm gutted by that ending. You, are extremely smart, talented, well-read and have a very nice way of speaking. Never stop what you're doing. - A random fan.
I think I understand what happened. Catherine had still been in her teens when she married Arthur, and had to wait longer than she would have liked to marry Henry. So, it is true, she was 23 when marrying brother #2, but she had been a teenage bride first.
@@dstinnettmusicmost people couldn’t swim. My understanding is that swimming is mainly a modern pastime (depending on time and location of course). Even sailors often lacked swimming skills.
Great telling of Anne's story. Given the sad litney of miscarriages stillbirths, and infants born who don't survive, I'm interested in the theory Henry had the genetic disorder Kell blood group antigenicity. It really is a good fit for the whole male heir issue he had. Then his jousting accident and the issues surrounding it explain a lot of his erratic behavior after. It must have been a weird sensation for these women to be the object of Henry's desire - on the one hand, as a noblewoman of Henry's court, you're probably from a very politically savy family, so the idea of being queen is like winning the lottery - on the other, after Katherine is put aside, it's very obvious being Henry's queen is an extremely dangerous position to obtain. I'm sure there must have been some real cognitive dissonance going on when he starts making his affection known (and probably intense pressure from social climbing parents).
I am SO CONVINCED that Henry was Kell positive. He had a female ancestor, Jacquetta of Luxembourg, who may have introduced it to the bloodline -- all her female descendants had basically standard fertility (that is, some didn't marry or didn't have surviving children but no more than in the general population) but most of her male descendants struggled in the same ways Henry did. There's a straight line of mothers from her to Henry. Kell positivity fits this, as a Kell positive mother's immune system won't attack a Kell positive (or negative) baby's blood, but a Kell negative mother who's been exposed to Kell positive blood before (like during a previous childbirth of a positive baby) has antibodies against a Kell positive baby's blood and will give birth to severely anemic babies (if they survive that long). Most of the time, a Kell- mother and a Kell+ father can get one healthy pregnancy, then + and - mix during birth, mother develops antibodies, and subsequent pregnancies suffer. In rare cases, a first pregnancy can sensitize the mother and cause the issues -- also, we're talking about the 1500s, so a first pregnancy can fail for a million reasons that have nothing to do with blood type. Catherine's first baby was stillborn at 6 months, so she definitely got sensitized during that birth if she wasn't already. And there's a chance for a baby to inherit a copy of the Kell- gene from the father, so that baby can be born healthy -- Mary was probably Catherine's only Kell- pregnancy. a d d i t i o n a l l y Kell positive men can suffer something called McLeod Syndrome (or disorder idr). It's rare, but its symptoms match Henry post-jousting accident, the accident happened around the usual time of onset, and the symptoms include things like seizures and involuntary muscle movements which could absolutely cause you a serious accident if you had them while jousting. I think the most major point against this is that McLeod Syndrome is really quite rare, being present in less than 1 in 100,000 people in the population, but the incidence of Kell positivity is more like 10,000 in 100,000 so it's not like the absence of McLeod is proof of the absence of Kell positivity. I am full conspiracy string board about this IT ALL FITS
this book sounds REALLY good. Anne Boleyn has always been my favorite of Henry VIII's wives, i think that's because i was so interested in Queen Elizabeth I and I wanted to know more about her mother. Anne's story breaks my heart. "the accusations don't have to make sense, they just have to sound scary." that's too true and even more heartbreaking.
So interesting! I'm wondering if Anne insisted on marriage to Henry thinking it would stop the harassment since there was no way the pope would let him divorce Catherine never thinking it would cause that whole mess.
yeah that's what i always assumed. suggestions that she did it as part of some kind of ongoing manipulation tactic always struck me as deliberate misinterpretations of her actions. if someone asked me to clean their toilet and i said "sure, for a million dollars!" i wouldn't say that intending to extort a million dollars from them lmao. i would just assume they'd ask somebody else.
Henry could have used Spock's advice to Ston. “After a time, you may find that ‘having’ is not so pleasing a thing after all as ‘wanting.’ It is not logical, but it is often true.”
I don’t know when I started to think of Anne as very wronged. I learned Tudor history like most, but I also did read a lot on my own back in school. But I have had the opinion, for a very long time, that Anne wanted nothing to do with Henry originally. She did not set out to be Queen. He wore her down, and left her with no other choice. It would have been him, or a nunnery. And Henry would probably not even allow the nunnery.
Seems her fate was sealed the moment the King knew about her. Poor girl. It's really unfair how she was shouved into a situation she had very little control over.
@@Codeexcited Had the same thought. I guess most women of higher pedigree would hate the idea of marrying a man of lower rank. This is true even today.
most if not all womens fate were sealed upon birth...shoved into situations they didnt want to be in. The only difference here is we know about these women because of their connection to royalty
I so thoroughly enjoyed that! As a child and teen, I would go with my mom to visit her sisters in the East end of London and we could walk to the Tower of London. I became very fascinated with the whole Tudor period and I was always a fan of Anne Boleyn and could also run down the names and dates of ole Henry's wives. Such a captivating commentary and look forward to checking out your other videos!
What many people dont't know is that Henry Vlll was planning on having his marriage to Katherine of Aragon annulled before he ever became interested in Anne (Mark Holinshed has the whole story on this on his YT channel).......as Henry wanted a son and Katherine was in menopause by now. So he sent Wolsey on a mission to France to cast about for a French princess or noble woman for him to marry and King Francis was aggreeble and assisting with this mission.......but when Wolsey returned he was amazed to find the king chasing Anne Boleyn....but he was hoping it would be just a fling like all th kings other affairs, and he had reasons for not wanting the king to marry Anne and he prevaricated and did all he could to prevent the marriage, but he underestimated the kings determination to marry her. By the time he woke up to it it was too late, Wolsey had failed the king and was on the way out.....the king had also embarrassed him before the French king who had helped Wolsey in the mission to find a French bride.
In 1970 i was a freshman in high school when i saw the movie Anne of the Thousand Days. I didnt know anything of English history so cannot attest to the movie's accuracy, but WOW I was blown away by Genevieve Bujold's performance as Anne. As you tell tha story I am reminded of the lasting impression Bujold created of Anne as a young and fearless woman who took on the most powerful men in the world.
Thank you very much for this history lesson. Very entertaining and much more real to me than that old Six Wives of Henry VIII that appeared on Masterpiece Theater on PBS in the 1970's.
your channel is absolutely fantastic. you pack so much into such short videos, which makes it less overwhelming to start watching than, say, a forty minute video on the same event in history. kudos!
Honestly all of your stories are amazing. I watch tons of history stuff and at this point I thought I'd run out of good stuff but then I found you. Its excellent to watch while getting stuff done and so interesting
I actually lived in a all village near Gainsborough, & we also did a lot on Tudors & visited the Hall a couple of times in Primary school. It’s a lovely place, & we did that dress up dinner that they do which was really fun. I always take history as only partial because it favours the people who talk-upper class/victors/men basically anyone who is prominent at the time. So many voices are lost. Thank you for a great educational video 😊
So where I grew up (Reno, NV), every year we learned about The Donner Party, which is extremely grim, and we read Patty Reed's Doll. I feel your...well, maybe not pain. But I feel ya.
I always imagine that one of the reason Queen Elizabeth refused to marry and have a child was because her father beheaded her mother for the sole purpose of continuing on the Tudor monarchy. So, she decided, to get back at him, for it to end with her. The daughter he left motherless because he so badly wanted to continue on the Tudor line of kings. I feel like its a very fitting revenge. I have no idea if this has any historical backing but an idea I love anyway lol. Im sure it was also because she didnt want to share power but I feel like its very possible getting back at her father for murdering her mother is also a reason.
Nah. We know for a fact that Elizabeth loved her father, she idolized him. There's a reason she matched his religious views, and spent most of her childhood seeking his approval. The main issue around her marrying was the fact that she couldn't marry in England (Too much power to a single noble), and outside, the options were France (ancient rivals), or Spain, the current global power who would utterly subsume her government.
@@theshadowling1Agreed. People put too much emphasis on Boleyn’s death for Elizabeth. Elizabeth probably blamed Cromwell misleading her father. Elizabeth stayed single simply because A) She could keep her power, B) Using the possibility of marriage alliance was good politics, keeping people on their toes and C) Possibly Catherine Howard’s death, and Anne of Cleves being independent and wealthy after her divorce might have influenced her.
I think it's a bit simplistic for Karen Lindsey to assert that the only reason for Anne to ignore Henry's letters was that she wasn't interested. She may have been personally conflicted, or have disagreed with her politically-minded father, or have been considering what other suitors were available. The Boleyns were a minor aristocratic family but Anne was now one of the most marriageable women in England. Becoming the King's mistress for a couple of years would not prevent her from subsequently marrying but it would definitely damage her marriage 'value' and rule out a match with a top-tier nobleman.
Anne was in love with Henry Percy, Duke of Northumberland and the two were secretly engaged. Anne’s father and uncle were determined to make a Royal connection for favors and pushed for her to take up with Henry the King. Interestingly, the marriage of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle took place on the anniversary of Anne’s execution-19 May. I think HMTQ was sending a message, along with sending Wallis Simpson’s funeral limo to fetch the bride.
sure, but also, anne's older sister mary had JUST been the king's mistress very shortly before this. i think it's entirely possible anne wasn't interested because she'd just seen it destroy the reputation of her sister.
Agree, I also find it a bit simplistic. She is considered a pawn of the men in her family, and more likely than not was acting on their orders more than anything. I doubt she had too much say in the matter.
The theory proposed by the author makes total sense. Henry VIII was not the sort of fellow one would feel comfortable giving a flat no to. By this point, Henry wasn't the most laid back of guys. Disinterest, combined with a reasonable and healthy fear of retaliation from the literally most powerful man in the kingdom, and an absolute monarch.
I agree with you, but I also think what you said more or less boils down to 'she wasn't interested' or 'she was more interested in exploring other options.' A truly interested person would likely not have held out for so long before accepting. The fact that she didn't respond for years definitely smacks of reluctance.
Loved this video! It's so sad what Anne went through, but it doesn't surprise me at all. If women are dealing with this in modern times, it was even worse back then
I'm playing catch-up with these videos and really enjoyed this one. The Wives of Henry VIII trading cards made me laugh. Even though the story told was very sad. Looking forward to more of her work.
I know it's been like 3 years, but I wish you could make videos on all of them! I would try to read the book but I have ADHD and textbooks bore me to death-- even if I listened to it as an audiobook I would probably be more focused on whatever else I'm doing while listening to be able to truly pay attention. And you're so good at teaching history in an interesting way! I've watched tons of documentaries about Anne Boleyn, but none of them ever seem to bring up the possibility that she just wasn't interested in Henry. At best they characterize her as a woman who fell in love with a King and wanted that perfect fairytale picture of being his Queen, and at worst as some sort of power-hungry, manipulative succubus who felt no title less than 'Queen' would befit her. Although I do love it, not even the musical 'SIX' brought it up. It makes me wonder what other parts of these womens' lives, personalities, emotions, beliefs and motives have been buried under the rhyme.
The story of Catherine of Aragon was genuinely sad. There was clearly a lot of love at first but it was taken over by bitterness and pride by Henry. Then again, if not for that, England would be very different now. Even if the crown had ended up going to the Stuarts, George I never would have been king later down the line as a Protestant king wouldn't be needed. But even before that, if Protestantism hadn't been introduced, the Puritans wouldn't have gained as much power potentially avoiding the civil war but more likely ending with something more akin to the French Revolution, a true class war, and we may well not even have a monarch now. The butterfly effect is crazy.
The connections between his English wives is usually ignored. Attention has been paid to his mistress Mayr Boleyn being sister to his wife, Anne. Anne and Mary were first cousins to Katherine Howard, and they were all 3 of them 2nd cousins to Jane Seymour. His last wife, Katherine Parr, married after his death to Jane's brother. Such a very shallow gene pool, that one.
If haven’t heard of Six the Musical, definitely go check it out. It’s about the six wives, their stories and what their lives my have been like without Henry in them. But as a singing competition. (It’s better than it sounds - I swear!)
"the only historical site in my hometown" can you imagine. I mean, I'm American so...... it's a bit different. But seriously. I can't imagine having any kind of historical sites in a hundred mile radius. Also I learned about Henry VIII's wives largely through listening to the SIX soundtrack and doing research from there😂
There's many historical sites around you I bet, some are simply marked by a single sign. I'm in the random south and come across a lot just driving around
There probably is more history than you would realize. Americans don’t talk about the fact of our history much so we often don’t know how close we live to it.
Although it’s better now, British people have not been as mobile as Americans. There are almost certainly a large number of historic sites close by, but perhaps the school outings were booked as a matter of habit and with the idea that if it was good enough, that was good enough. I once lived in a village in Bedfordshire and met a woman waiting for a bus to take her to Bedford. She was nervous and I asked if I could help. In the course of our conversation I learned that her husband had died and she needed a death certificate. It turns out in all her 60 to 70 years she had never left the village on her own, and those trips were huge occasions for her to remember. Many more people own cars these days of course. But still not as many as in the US. 😊
I live in Pennsylvania where there's historic places everywhere. Obviously, not as old as British history unless I got to a nearby spot that has native American called Meadowcroft Rockshelter. It's the site of one of the earliest known places of human habitation in North America.
All Henry ended up doing by executing Anne was ensuring her place in history and popular culture. If he had just divorced her, her impact wouldn’t be as strong as it is today. She’s been an almost constant figure in the popular imagination for 500 years.
In one of Alison Weir's books she points out that Anne's French executioner would have had to have left home before her trial was over in order to get there in time. She really didn't stand a chance.
I've really been enjoying the dialogue on this issue from Natalie Greuninger (her podcast is Talking Tudors) and have been wanting to buy her book on the last 18 months of Anne's life. She doesn't put Anne on a pedestal, she recognizes her faults, but she also tries to give Anne the benefit of the doubt that history has rarely ever afforded her. I'd highly recommend her works if you're interested in Anne Boleyn as more than a 2D side character in Henry's story.
The location of Anne Boleyn's body is known. In October 1876, her grave was exhumed, her remains examined, and then re-buried in 1877. The doctor who did a forensic examination of the remains was sure that the bones were of Queen Anne. These were carefully documented and then reinterred with the slab placed over it.
After watching this video I grabbed a copy of "Divorced, Beheaded, Survived" and loved it! I would love to know what other non-fiction history books you recommend!
Superb video J. I enjoyed visiting Hever Castle her family home, down on the Kent/Surrey border. Those Tudor mannequins with her old clothes - creepy. And oh, so you are a Lincolnshire lass. It gave me inverted vertigo, so flat. 👍🙂
HA! It took me a minute to realize you didn’t grow up in that house, with the way you said that! Wow, I thought, she must have come from some kind of swanky lineage to have grown up there! Yes, I’m American, well, from the USA specifically, so this is why I wouldn’t know that house from any other that any of y’all could potentially have grown up in! You’re fantastic! As a life-long Anglophile, thanks to literature, Brideshead (the original!), Monty Python and PBS, and a keen history fanatic, I find your videos very interesting! Oh, I forgot to mention “Tipping the Velvet,” how silly of me! TTFN Sistah!
I have always thought of Anne as the most influential person in modern history. Because of her influence on Henry, via the books she gave him, the reformation began in England. Then, she produced Elizabeth, one of the most effective and wise rulers ever. All this led eventually to the industrial revolution and the whole modern world.
I was surprisingly old when I realised it was called the 'Old Hall' because the Hickman family moved out of it in 1720 to go live in Thonock Hall 🤦 (it thus being the 'new' hall lived in by the Lords of the Manor). I'd not been hugely into the history of Gainsborough though until I got older and got a bit nostalgic about it.
Growing up around history can be fun. I'm from Philadelphia, and there are all sorts of historical sites there, including one or two within walking distance of where I grew up.
To me, the book ELIZABETH: RENAISSANCE PRINCE, because it looked at how Elizabeth's job shaped her actions in pragmatic ways. Many events that are normally cited as Elizabeth being a silly woman are here shown as being pragmatic adaptation to her role as monarch and the restrictions society placed on her.
AH! Loved the way you made this! I normally don't have much of an intrest when it comes to that time period, but I do love hearing about the six queens. (Thank SIX the musical for that lol) Like, I knew 'Don't Lose Ur Head' did Anne Boleyn dirty, but i didn't realize how dirty it did her. I would love to hear about the other queens from you! That or I get the book myself somehow-
Thank you. For so many years I’ve been outraged that it’s only men I find .. well, 99:1 men to women in most sciences, most interviews, most of channels that produce scientific content of any discipline and then all of the historical and famous founding .. fathers of every amazing thing in history. 99:1 You have helped so much in sharing this information. All of the women who were there along side the men with historical credit and all women right now who are incredibly brilliant and not encouraged in present culture still. We are raised to find the man more credible than the female. It’s a huge frustration to me and failure in all education systems. How can any of us actually believe anything we are taught in school when 50% of the notable historical population just.. are never mentioned at all in history.
Thank you for pointing out several things.. First the timeline. That is very important to king Henry's story. Second, how he treated his daughters. But there is a point that you didn't give that is important. King Henry was injured in a joust. On the surface that doesn't sound like much considering it happened when he was younger but his injuries caused a lot of problems both physically and emotionally. I'm not defending him, he became a monster but I'm saying it did affect the entirety of his life and his reign. Both the men and women of court were manipulative and there were few heroes.
The most eye opening interesting bit for me was the fact that The Church of England was more Anne Boleyn's idea than Henry's. This better explains why Elizabeth I brought back Protestantism after Mary had restored Catholicism. As Henry didn't exactly treat Elizabeth very well!
That's the saddest part, a woman who rejected advances, then must become queen because what else is she to do, who had no control over the sex of her children, and whose life was always at risk to the whims of her husband, dies for a crime she didn't commit and isn't even granted a marker for where her body was laid to rest.
Hello ,I just found yor channel . I guess you could say I am really late for the party. Well I have watched several of your videos. I just wanted to say all of them are so very interesting. Some of them where not only informative but also very funny. You have special talent of making learning enjoyable. I want to thank you for such great work you have done in each of your productions.
Anne Boleyn: 500 Years of Lies by Hayley Nolan is also an excellent book, but even before reading it I knew her death had more to do with the politics and the Reformation than anything else.
interesting that part of the curriculum is local history, I think that pretty much none of what I know about the local history of where I grew up was taught to me in school
3:55 into this video, on ladies in waiting: "The Queen actually still has some." I paused the video, to check when this video came out...two years ago. I initially thought that this was just an error, because The Queen had survived so long, that her being the Queen was so engrained over the generations, that it can be hard, even for me, as an Irishman (Republic of Ireland) to automatically think of the King in power currently, at time of typing, rather then the Queen he replaced. She seemed like a great Christian woman.
At 7.34 Suddenly you remind me of somebody It’s the sort of thing that fascinates me with the human brain you can feel the pages turning over in your head until it makes a connection that you’re looking for It turns out the person you remind me of is the girl from this is England, the Goth punk girl . I was once talking to a girl, and her voice was doing the same thing. My head was working its way through all the voices in its memory banks, trying to think who it was she sounded like. When I got there and told the girl she reminded me of Cassie from skins -then we were both equally surprised when she informed me that The actress that played her was actually her best friend
This just made me realise how crazy old the story of Robin Hood is, that Henry the 8th could casually cosplay as him as a joke despite him famously being a symbol of the people standing against the king; they thought of it along the same lines as a rich person today dressing up as Scrooge.
That sounds like an interesting book! I've become interested with Henry's wives since "Six The Musical" came out, but haven't read much about them, except for this book of the writings of Katherine Parr, which was somewhat interesting (I think I liked the letters better than her longer works honestly).
I also read a book that points out that as an unmarried female, she wouldn't have been allowed to have a relationship without her family's permission. They likely directed most of her affair. The same book said Jane Seymour's family learned from the mistakes of the Bolyn's. It was really fascinating and a perspective I hadn't considered before. Historians rarely take the lack of autonomy among women into account when talking about Henry's wives.
I don’t think they learned at all. Both Thomas and Edward Seymour were beheaded. Jane’s death in childbirth while giving birth to a male heir really cemented her family’s good reputation with Henry, but that had nothing to do with their personal ability and was just pure luck.
@thenablade858 That's a good point. And it's possible some of the adoration Henry had for her, and England in general, was reactionary. By the time Jane was in the picture, everyone hated Anne. I often wonder what if Henry would have stayed so in love with her if she'd lived.
I highly recommend watching the TV series The Spanish Princess. It’s a very well made drama that focusses on the marriage between Spanish Catherine of Aragon and Henry the 8th - and particularly what a remarkable woman she was.
It'd a very good show, but as a reminder it's based off a book series from an author who likes to dramatize the events in the royals life. The author, Philippa Gregory, isn't well know in the historian sphere for being the most accurate in her writings. So most certainly don't treat it like fact. I do quite adore the show and the period pieces the cast wear throughout it. The actress for Queen Katherine is just absolutely killing it in the show.
Not a big fan. The Battle of Flodden Field was horrible (Why is a pregnant woman charging into battle? She was near Buckingham when the battle occurred), Lady Beaufort is portrayed terribly (blaming all of Henry VII’s bad politics on his mother when she was away at the time is NOT feminist, Gregory) and the portrayal of the Scottish is xenophobic nonsense.
"The accusations don't have to make sense, they just have to sound scary." Boy, does this ring true... for so many things, even today!
Weird how Tudor people sound just like 21st Century people in a lot of ways, huh?
Right! Trumpism exactly. Including the new right-wing industry gold rush happening right now where grifters make a pretty healthy living just feeding off the fear and entitlement of his cult following. DEFINITELY scary 🫣
I LOVE that book. I think it's where I first encountered the theory that Anne of Cleves was not unattractive (contemporary sources described her as reasonably attractive, and Henry never punished Holbein for misleading him), but that she dealt Henry's ego a serious blow when she didn't swoon over the "handsome stranger" who came to her in disguise. Instead, she treated him like the middle-aged man he was (remember, this was a nearly fifty-year-old man, making a political marriage, who honestly expected Anne to "know him for her true love") and he never got over it, projecting that rejection back onto her because he couldn't handle an honest opinion. (Remember how he described her? Fat, unattractive, and smelly? Who else could that apply to?)
He was a typical narcissist
If I had a time machine I would like to see the moment he tried to kiss Anne of Cleves.
Plot twist, he systematically dismantled everything required to live a life with the amenities that facilitate hygiene, grooming and a peaceful and healthy life, and then reports how gross the girl he makes sure stays borderline homeless
yeah, he liked 'em young, pretty and kind of vapid. especially young. she wasn't impressed with him nor was she a teenager.
True he was indeed a fat smelly narcissist.
It's crazy to think that most people will readily call Henry VIII a violent, untrustworthy, mean spirited and abusive man, but then take everything he says about his ex at face value. Thank you for making this video.
I had a really good English teacher in high school (Yeah... English, not history). He took the time to talk about Henry VIII as well as brief (a week) history of England at that time prior us learning Shakespeare. He made sure to say "This was what was said about , but we'll never know for sure."
I’ve never heard anyone give any credence to what he says about his wives. Everyone knows he was a lying, cheating brut.
What would have happened if someone spoke against Henry? Pretty scary to do that
People don't hate Anne because they trust Henry, they hate Anne because they love Catherine. Most people jus hate Boleyn because she was living stereotype, actually *multiple* stereotypes: the evil stepmother, the younger women who steals your husband, the oppotunistic -gold- throne digger. She destroyed the lives of Catherine and Mary, people hate her for this.
Yes so true the view of anne voleyn is so stupid
I've always hated the whole 'Oh Anne didn't reply to his letters because she was a devious little minx who knew it would inflame Henry's desire further and blahblahblahblah' and I've just always found that to be so stupid. I think Anne was very much making the best of a complicated and crazy situation. I'm sure she was very much convinced that once Henry heard her 'No I won't be your mistress. If you want THIS you'll have to be single and free to marry' he would back down and leave her be. How was she to know he was going to tell the pope to fuck off, divorce his wife, make his currently only surviving daughter illegitimate and then be all 'TADA! Single as a pringle! Now can we get married?'?
Or her family put her up to it. 😢
@@Print229 or both
I still struggle to understand how a teenage girl could be beheaded by a well known adulterer like Henry 8th, it's so hard to reconcile the way patriarchy was so extreme in Britains past!
@@Jay-Kay-Buwembo Anne Boleyn wasn't a teenager when she was beheaded, she was likely in her late 20s or 30s (some even think she may have been in her mid to late 30s). Unless you're thinking of Katherine Howard, who was definitely still a teen at the time.
@@1607hannah1 👌🏿 ok
I'm gutted by that ending. You, are extremely smart, talented, well-read and have a very nice way of speaking. Never stop what you're doing.
- A random fan.
What a lovely note
Catherine of Aragon was not a teenager when she married Henry, she was in her twenties, Henry was still in his teens
Huh. You are totally right; I don't know why I wrote that. I'll put a correction in the description- thanks for the heads up!
I think I understand what happened. Catherine had still been in her teens when she married Arthur, and had to wait longer than she would have liked to marry Henry. So, it is true, she was 23 when marrying brother #2, but she had been a teenage bride first.
The Middle Ages were weird if Crusader Kings is any indication
@@matthewjohns1758 I don’t question how this could happen to one child.
I don’t quite see how this happens to so many children….
@@dstinnettmusicmost people couldn’t swim. My understanding is that swimming is mainly a modern pastime (depending on time and location of course). Even sailors often lacked swimming skills.
You stole my attention, then left speechless.
Great job
PS. The cards were hilarious 😂
Gotta get rid of them all!
Each one was individualized!
Great telling of Anne's story. Given the sad litney of miscarriages stillbirths, and infants born who don't survive, I'm interested in the theory Henry had the genetic disorder Kell blood group antigenicity. It really is a good fit for the whole male heir issue he had. Then his jousting accident and the issues surrounding it explain a lot of his erratic behavior after. It must have been a weird sensation for these women to be the object of Henry's desire - on the one hand, as a noblewoman of Henry's court, you're probably from a very politically savy family, so the idea of being queen is like winning the lottery - on the other, after Katherine is put aside, it's very obvious being Henry's queen is an extremely dangerous position to obtain. I'm sure there must have been some real cognitive dissonance going on when he starts making his affection known (and probably intense pressure from social climbing parents).
I am SO CONVINCED that Henry was Kell positive. He had a female ancestor, Jacquetta of Luxembourg, who may have introduced it to the bloodline -- all her female descendants had basically standard fertility (that is, some didn't marry or didn't have surviving children but no more than in the general population) but most of her male descendants struggled in the same ways Henry did. There's a straight line of mothers from her to Henry. Kell positivity fits this, as a Kell positive mother's immune system won't attack a Kell positive (or negative) baby's blood, but a Kell negative mother who's been exposed to Kell positive blood before (like during a previous childbirth of a positive baby) has antibodies against a Kell positive baby's blood and will give birth to severely anemic babies (if they survive that long).
Most of the time, a Kell- mother and a Kell+ father can get one healthy pregnancy, then + and - mix during birth, mother develops antibodies, and subsequent pregnancies suffer. In rare cases, a first pregnancy can sensitize the mother and cause the issues -- also, we're talking about the 1500s, so a first pregnancy can fail for a million reasons that have nothing to do with blood type. Catherine's first baby was stillborn at 6 months, so she definitely got sensitized during that birth if she wasn't already. And there's a chance for a baby to inherit a copy of the Kell- gene from the father, so that baby can be born healthy -- Mary was probably Catherine's only Kell- pregnancy.
a d d i t i o n a l l y Kell positive men can suffer something called McLeod Syndrome (or disorder idr). It's rare, but its symptoms match Henry post-jousting accident, the accident happened around the usual time of onset, and the symptoms include things like seizures and involuntary muscle movements which could absolutely cause you a serious accident if you had them while jousting. I think the most major point against this is that McLeod Syndrome is really quite rare, being present in less than 1 in 100,000 people in the population, but the incidence of Kell positivity is more like 10,000 in 100,000 so it's not like the absence of McLeod is proof of the absence of Kell positivity.
I am full conspiracy string board about this IT ALL FITS
Your longer form videos are terrific, I hope you will consider making these again!
The explanation of ladies in waiting taught me something new!
this book sounds REALLY good. Anne Boleyn has always been my favorite of Henry VIII's wives, i think that's because i was so interested in Queen Elizabeth I and I wanted to know more about her mother. Anne's story breaks my heart. "the accusations don't have to make sense, they just have to sound scary." that's too true and even more heartbreaking.
So interesting! I'm wondering if Anne insisted on marriage to Henry thinking it would stop the harassment since there was no way the pope would let him divorce Catherine never thinking it would cause that whole mess.
yeah that's what i always assumed. suggestions that she did it as part of some kind of ongoing manipulation tactic always struck me as deliberate misinterpretations of her actions. if someone asked me to clean their toilet and i said "sure, for a million dollars!" i wouldn't say that intending to extort a million dollars from them lmao. i would just assume they'd ask somebody else.
Henry could have used Spock's advice to Ston. “After a time, you may find that ‘having’ is not so pleasing a thing after all as ‘wanting.’ It is not logical, but it is often true.”
I don’t know when I started to think of Anne as very wronged. I learned Tudor history like most, but I also did read a lot on my own back in school. But I have had the opinion, for a very long time, that Anne wanted nothing to do with Henry originally. She did not set out to be Queen. He wore her down, and left her with no other choice. It would have been him, or a nunnery. And Henry would probably not even allow the nunnery.
Seems her fate was sealed the moment the King knew about her. Poor girl. It's really unfair how she was shouved into a situation she had very little control over.
I mean she could have just been a mistress like her sister. It's not ideal(the sister was eventually married off below her station) but was an option.
Why should she have to do either?
@@Codeexcited Had the same thought. I guess most women of higher pedigree would hate the idea of marrying a man of lower rank. This is true even today.
most if not all womens fate were sealed upon birth...shoved into situations they didnt want to be in. The only difference here is we know about these women because of their connection to royalty
Your storytelling is excellent! This video blew my mind! And made me want to get that book! Thank you for this! (Subscribed!)
You are the most entertaining history guide I've had the pleasure to hear! Thank-you very much.
I so thoroughly enjoyed that! As a child and teen, I would go with my mom to visit her sisters in the East end of London and we could walk to the Tower of London. I became very fascinated with the whole Tudor period and I was always a fan of Anne Boleyn and could also run down the names and dates of ole Henry's wives. Such a captivating commentary and look forward to checking out your other videos!
What many people dont't know is that Henry Vlll was planning on having his marriage to Katherine of Aragon annulled before he ever became interested in Anne (Mark Holinshed has the whole story on this on his YT channel).......as Henry wanted a son and Katherine was in menopause by now. So he sent Wolsey on a mission to France to cast about for a French princess or noble woman for him to marry and King Francis was aggreeble and assisting with this mission.......but when Wolsey returned he was amazed to find the king chasing Anne Boleyn....but he was hoping it would be just a fling like all th kings other affairs, and he had reasons for not wanting the king to marry Anne and he prevaricated and did all he could to prevent the marriage, but he underestimated the kings determination to marry her. By the time he woke up to it it was too late, Wolsey had failed the king and was on the way out.....the king had also embarrassed him before the French king who had helped Wolsey in the mission to find a French bride.
In 1970 i was a freshman in high school when i saw the movie Anne of the Thousand Days. I didnt know anything of English history so cannot attest to the movie's accuracy, but WOW I was blown away by Genevieve Bujold's performance as Anne. As you tell tha story I am reminded of the lasting impression Bujold created of Anne as a young and fearless woman who took on the most powerful men in the world.
I love that movie, though I haven’t seen it in years. Do you remember, “The month is May.”?
I love the Henry the 8th wives as Pokemon cards edit lol that's a good way to teach kids
Very Nice! Do Elizabeth Woodville next! I love the War of the Roses....(I know, that's Tudor propaganda...)
Found you from TikTok. You are so fun to watch!
I’ve horrible history’s song stuck in my head now lol. This was brilliant. Thank you! Buying that book now
Thank you very much for this history lesson. Very entertaining and much more real to me than that old Six Wives of Henry VIII that appeared on Masterpiece Theater on PBS in the 1970's.
your channel is absolutely fantastic. you pack so much into such short videos, which makes it less overwhelming to start watching than, say, a forty minute video on the same event in history. kudos!
Found you through shorts and have now subscribed. Excellent!
Fantastic video, and you've sold me on the book (despite general Tudor overdose!)
Honestly all of your stories are amazing. I watch tons of history stuff and at this point I thought I'd run out of good stuff but then I found you. Its excellent to watch while getting stuff done and so interesting
I actually lived in a all village near Gainsborough, & we also did a lot on Tudors & visited the Hall a couple of times in Primary school.
It’s a lovely place, & we did that dress up dinner that they do which was really fun.
I always take history as only partial because it favours the people who talk-upper class/victors/men basically anyone who is prominent at the time. So many voices are lost.
Thank you for a great educational video 😊
So where I grew up (Reno, NV), every year we learned about The Donner Party, which is extremely grim, and we read Patty Reed's Doll. I feel your...well, maybe not pain. But I feel ya.
Oh, and I truly love your voice. Your videos are delightful.
I always imagine that one of the reason Queen Elizabeth refused to marry and have a child was because her father beheaded her mother for the sole purpose of continuing on the Tudor monarchy. So, she decided, to get back at him, for it to end with her. The daughter he left motherless because he so badly wanted to continue on the Tudor line of kings. I feel like its a very fitting revenge. I have no idea if this has any historical backing but an idea I love anyway lol. Im sure it was also because she didnt want to share power but I feel like its very possible getting back at her father for murdering her mother is also a reason.
Nah. We know for a fact that Elizabeth loved her father, she idolized him. There's a reason she matched his religious views, and spent most of her childhood seeking his approval. The main issue around her marrying was the fact that she couldn't marry in England (Too much power to a single noble), and outside, the options were France (ancient rivals), or Spain, the current global power who would utterly subsume her government.
@@theshadowling1 Plus two of her stepmothers died in childbirth. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to risk marriage after that.
@@theshadowling1Agreed. People put too much emphasis on Boleyn’s death for Elizabeth. Elizabeth probably blamed Cromwell misleading her father. Elizabeth stayed single simply because A) She could keep her power, B) Using the possibility of marriage alliance was good politics, keeping people on their toes and C) Possibly Catherine Howard’s death, and Anne of Cleves being independent and wealthy after her divorce might have influenced her.
I’ll admit I’d never thought about that way before, and after consideration I have to say it makes sense. Very well done!
I think it's a bit simplistic for Karen Lindsey to assert that the only reason for Anne to ignore Henry's letters was that she wasn't interested. She may have been personally conflicted, or have disagreed with her politically-minded father, or have been considering what other suitors were available. The Boleyns were a minor aristocratic family but Anne was now one of the most marriageable women in England. Becoming the King's mistress for a couple of years would not prevent her from subsequently marrying but it would definitely damage her marriage 'value' and rule out a match with a top-tier nobleman.
Anne was in love with Henry Percy, Duke of Northumberland and the two were secretly engaged. Anne’s father and uncle were determined to make a Royal connection for favors and pushed for her to take up with Henry the King. Interestingly, the marriage of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle took place on the anniversary of Anne’s execution-19 May. I think HMTQ was sending a message, along with sending Wallis Simpson’s funeral limo to fetch the bride.
sure, but also, anne's older sister mary had JUST been the king's mistress very shortly before this. i think it's entirely possible anne wasn't interested because she'd just seen it destroy the reputation of her sister.
Agree, I also find it a bit simplistic. She is considered a pawn of the men in her family, and more likely than not was acting on their orders more than anything. I doubt she had too much say in the matter.
The theory proposed by the author makes total sense.
Henry VIII was not the sort of fellow one would feel comfortable giving a flat no to. By this point, Henry wasn't the most laid back of guys.
Disinterest, combined with a reasonable and healthy fear of retaliation from the literally most powerful man in the kingdom, and an absolute monarch.
I agree with you, but I also think what you said more or less boils down to 'she wasn't interested' or 'she was more interested in exploring other options.' A truly interested person would likely not have held out for so long before accepting. The fact that she didn't respond for years definitely smacks of reluctance.
Thank-you for making this video, its so nice to hear about history from such a different perspective!
Poor Anne was doomed from the minute Henry decided to pursue her.
Loved this video! It's so sad what Anne went through, but it doesn't surprise me at all. If women are dealing with this in modern times, it was even worse back then
I'm playing catch-up with these videos and really enjoyed this one. The Wives of Henry VIII trading cards made me laugh. Even though the story told was very sad. Looking forward to more of her work.
I know it's been like 3 years, but I wish you could make videos on all of them! I would try to read the book but I have ADHD and textbooks bore me to death-- even if I listened to it as an audiobook I would probably be more focused on whatever else I'm doing while listening to be able to truly pay attention. And you're so good at teaching history in an interesting way!
I've watched tons of documentaries about Anne Boleyn, but none of them ever seem to bring up the possibility that she just wasn't interested in Henry. At best they characterize her as a woman who fell in love with a King and wanted that perfect fairytale picture of being his Queen, and at worst as some sort of power-hungry, manipulative succubus who felt no title less than 'Queen' would befit her.
Although I do love it, not even the musical 'SIX' brought it up.
It makes me wonder what other parts of these womens' lives, personalities, emotions, beliefs and motives have been buried under the rhyme.
Hmmm - if you can read novels more easily, try The Other Boleyn Girl by Philipa Gregory (she’s written about many medieval/Tudor women)
I also have ADHD and was thinking the same thing lol
When Queen Victoria came to the throne, I believe, she gave Anne Boleyn a proper royal burial and service in the chapel at Tower Bridge.
No idea how only now I've just got to this meeting. Brilliant, as ever.
What a haunting end. Your channel is fast becoming a favorite of mine.
Thank a lot J,I’ve always been a History addict and you’re another big supplier👍
Also, Henry slept with Anne's sister before he went after Anne! I'll bet Anne's family had a LOT to do with her consent and "plot" to marry.
You are the best! Wonderful job, J. Draper.
Love your videos, thank you so much for making them. Bringing interest and joy as always xxx
I reeeeelly like your channel - your presentation style and deep information. Just discovered. Subscribed and shared. Bingeing!!
The story of Catherine of Aragon was genuinely sad. There was clearly a lot of love at first but it was taken over by bitterness and pride by Henry. Then again, if not for that, England would be very different now. Even if the crown had ended up going to the Stuarts, George I never would have been king later down the line as a Protestant king wouldn't be needed. But even before that, if Protestantism hadn't been introduced, the Puritans wouldn't have gained as much power potentially avoiding the civil war but more likely ending with something more akin to the French Revolution, a true class war, and we may well not even have a monarch now. The butterfly effect is crazy.
I live in Grimsby not far from Gainsborough. I really enjoy your enthusiasm for history . Im 26 and have always loved history
Congratulations on the Blue Peter Badge!!! Wow!!! 😍💙
The connections between his English wives is usually ignored. Attention has been paid to his mistress Mayr Boleyn being sister to his wife, Anne. Anne and Mary were first cousins to Katherine Howard, and they were all 3 of them 2nd cousins to Jane Seymour. His last wife, Katherine Parr, married after his death to Jane's brother.
Such a very shallow gene pool, that one.
I feel like all of the surviving daughters and mothers should've gotten together and formed a support group. lol
If haven’t heard of Six the Musical, definitely go check it out. It’s about the six wives, their stories and what their lives my have been like without Henry in them. But as a singing competition. (It’s better than it sounds - I swear!)
You are the first and only person I ever knew to have a Blue Peter badge. I KNEW one day I would find someone who had one! 😊
"the only historical site in my hometown" can you imagine. I mean, I'm American so...... it's a bit different. But seriously. I can't imagine having any kind of historical sites in a hundred mile radius. Also I learned about Henry VIII's wives largely through listening to the SIX soundtrack and doing research from there😂
There's many historical sites around you I bet, some are simply marked by a single sign. I'm in the random south and come across a lot just driving around
Depends on how recent we can go for history.
There probably is more history than you would realize. Americans don’t talk about the fact of our history much so we often don’t know how close we live to it.
Although it’s better now, British people have not been as mobile as Americans. There are almost certainly a large number of historic sites close by, but perhaps the school outings were booked as a matter of habit and with the idea that if it was good enough, that was good enough. I once lived in a village in Bedfordshire and met a woman waiting for a bus to take her to Bedford. She was nervous and I asked if I could help. In the course of our conversation I learned that her husband had died and she needed a death certificate. It turns out in all her 60 to 70 years she had never left the village on her own, and those trips were huge occasions for her to remember.
Many more people own cars these days of course. But still not as many as in the US. 😊
I live in Pennsylvania where there's historic places everywhere. Obviously, not as old as British history unless I got to a nearby spot that has native American called Meadowcroft Rockshelter. It's the site of one of the earliest known places of human habitation in North America.
I was trying to place your accent...as a fellow east midlander I find it very easy on the ear....Great channel..we'll done
All Henry ended up doing by executing Anne was ensuring her place in history and popular culture. If he had just divorced her, her impact wouldn’t be as strong as it is today. She’s been an almost constant figure in the popular imagination for 500 years.
Youre voice helps me sleep. It is pleasant to fall asleep to. Thank you.
Wow. This is wild. Thank you for sharing, you're a wonderful story teller
In one of Alison Weir's books she points out that Anne's French executioner would have had to have left home before her trial was over in order to get there in time. She really didn't stand a chance.
Wonderful presentation and material - you rock!
This was super interesting! I'd happily watch one of these for each wife. Watching Six the musical has got me into the wives of Henry VIII
Really dislike that I have but one like to give. Thank you for sharing this story in the way only you can.
I've really been enjoying the dialogue on this issue from Natalie Greuninger (her podcast is Talking Tudors) and have been wanting to buy her book on the last 18 months of Anne's life. She doesn't put Anne on a pedestal, she recognizes her faults, but she also tries to give Anne the benefit of the doubt that history has rarely ever afforded her. I'd highly recommend her works if you're interested in Anne Boleyn as more than a 2D side character in Henry's story.
The location of Anne Boleyn's body is known. In October 1876, her grave was exhumed, her remains examined, and then re-buried in 1877. The doctor who did a forensic examination of the remains was sure that the bones were of Queen Anne. These were carefully documented and then reinterred with the slab placed over it.
After watching this video I grabbed a copy of "Divorced, Beheaded, Survived" and loved it! I would love to know what other non-fiction history books you recommend!
Superb video J. I enjoyed visiting Hever Castle her family home, down on the Kent/Surrey border. Those Tudor mannequins with her old clothes - creepy. And oh, so you are a Lincolnshire lass. It gave me inverted vertigo, so flat. 👍🙂
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"Ya bringin' this up NOW?" hahahahahaha
HA! It took me a minute to realize you didn’t grow up in that house, with the way you said that! Wow, I thought, she must have come from some kind of swanky lineage to have grown up there! Yes, I’m American, well, from the USA specifically, so this is why I wouldn’t know that house from any other that any of y’all could potentially have grown up in! You’re fantastic! As a life-long Anglophile, thanks to literature, Brideshead (the original!), Monty Python and PBS, and a keen history fanatic, I find your videos very interesting! Oh, I forgot to mention “Tipping the Velvet,” how silly of me! TTFN Sistah!
I have always thought of Anne as the most influential person in modern history. Because of her influence on Henry, via the books she gave him, the reformation began in England. Then, she produced Elizabeth, one of the most effective and wise rulers ever. All this led eventually to the industrial revolution and the whole modern world.
I was surprisingly old when I realised it was called the 'Old Hall' because the Hickman family moved out of it in 1720 to go live in Thonock Hall 🤦 (it thus being the 'new' hall lived in by the Lords of the Manor).
I'd not been hugely into the history of Gainsborough though until I got older and got a bit nostalgic about it.
Growing up around history can be fun. I'm from Philadelphia, and there are all sorts of historical sites there, including one or two within walking distance of where I grew up.
To me, the book ELIZABETH: RENAISSANCE PRINCE, because it looked at how Elizabeth's job shaped her actions in pragmatic ways. Many events that are normally cited as Elizabeth being a silly woman are here shown as being pragmatic adaptation to her role as monarch and the restrictions society placed on her.
AH! Loved the way you made this! I normally don't have much of an intrest when it comes to that time period, but I do love hearing about the six queens. (Thank SIX the musical for that lol) Like, I knew 'Don't Lose Ur Head' did Anne Boleyn dirty, but i didn't realize how dirty it did her. I would love to hear about the other queens from you! That or I get the book myself somehow-
Thank you.
For so many years I’ve been outraged that it’s only men I find .. well, 99:1 men to women in most sciences, most interviews, most of channels that produce scientific content of any discipline and then all of the historical and famous founding .. fathers of every amazing thing in history. 99:1
You have helped so much in sharing this information.
All of the women who were there along side the men with historical credit and all women right now who are incredibly brilliant and not encouraged in present culture still.
We are raised to find the man more credible than the female.
It’s a huge frustration to me and failure in all education systems. How can any of us actually believe anything we are taught in school when 50% of the notable historical population just.. are never mentioned at all in history.
Thank you for pointing out several things.. First the timeline. That is very important to king Henry's story. Second, how he treated his daughters. But there is a point that you didn't give that is important. King Henry was injured in a joust. On the surface that doesn't sound like much considering it happened when he was younger but his injuries caused a lot of problems both physically and emotionally. I'm not defending him, he became a monster but I'm saying it did affect the entirety of his life and his reign. Both the men and women of court were manipulative and there were few heroes.
Enlightening! Thank you.
The most eye opening interesting bit for me was the fact that The Church of England was more Anne Boleyn's idea than Henry's. This better explains why Elizabeth I brought back Protestantism after Mary had restored Catholicism. As Henry didn't exactly treat Elizabeth very well!
That's the saddest part, a woman who rejected advances, then must become queen because what else is she to do, who had no control over the sex of her children, and whose life was always at risk to the whims of her husband, dies for a crime she didn't commit and isn't even granted a marker for where her body was laid to rest.
There's always more story.
Thank you.
Hello ,I just found yor channel . I guess you could say I am really late for the party. Well I have watched several of your videos. I just wanted to say all of them are so very interesting. Some of them where not only informative but also very funny. You have special talent of making learning enjoyable. I want to thank you for such great work you have done in each of your productions.
Fascinating, well done!
Anne Boleyn: 500 Years of Lies by Hayley Nolan is also an excellent book, but even before reading it I knew her death had more to do with the politics and the Reformation than anything else.
The third time I've watched this and it is still fascinating! Good job Ms Draper! (If this sobriquet, moniker, title? Is appropriate.)
Such a great channel !
If they truly beleived Katherine was dowager princess of wales, they would have buried her with Arthur.
interesting that part of the curriculum is local history, I think that pretty much none of what I know about the local history of where I grew up was taught to me in school
Today I just found you! Just brilliant.
I only know Henry VIII closed all the monasteries, from Sally classroom in the horror movie "When the Lights Went Out".
Congrats on the Blue Peter badge, that's quite the honour!
3:55 into this video, on ladies in waiting:
"The Queen actually still has some."
I paused the video, to check when this video came out...two years ago.
I initially thought that this was just an error, because The Queen had survived so long, that her being the Queen was so engrained over the generations, that it can be hard, even for me, as an Irishman (Republic of Ireland) to automatically think of the King in power currently, at time of typing, rather then the Queen he replaced.
She seemed like a great Christian woman.
At 7.34
Suddenly you remind me of somebody
It’s the sort of thing that fascinates me with the human brain you can feel the pages turning over in your head until it makes a connection that you’re looking for
It turns out the person you remind me of is the girl from this is England, the Goth punk girl .
I was once talking to a girl, and her voice was doing the same thing. My head was working its way through all the voices in its memory banks, trying to think who it was she sounded like.
When I got there and told the girl she reminded me of Cassie from skins -then we were both equally surprised when she informed me that The actress that played her was actually her best friend
Poor Anne Boleyn.
Here in GA USA we also had to do local history but not every year. We did it in 5th and 8th grades
Just for the record, a blue Peter badge is the greatest honour ANYONE can get. It’s above the VC, OBE, knighthood or whatever else you can achieve.
This just made me realise how crazy old the story of Robin Hood is, that Henry the 8th could casually cosplay as him as a joke despite him famously being a symbol of the people standing against the king; they thought of it along the same lines as a rich person today dressing up as Scrooge.
That sounds like an interesting book! I've become interested with Henry's wives since "Six The Musical" came out, but haven't read much about them, except for this book of the writings of Katherine Parr, which was somewhat interesting (I think I liked the letters better than her longer works honestly).
I also read a book that points out that as an unmarried female, she wouldn't have been allowed to have a relationship without her family's permission. They likely directed most of her affair.
The same book said Jane Seymour's family learned from the mistakes of the Bolyn's. It was really fascinating and a perspective I hadn't considered before. Historians rarely take the lack of autonomy among women into account when talking about Henry's wives.
I don’t think they learned at all. Both Thomas and Edward Seymour were beheaded. Jane’s death in childbirth while giving birth to a male heir really cemented her family’s good reputation with Henry, but that had nothing to do with their personal ability and was just pure luck.
@thenablade858 That's a good point. And it's possible some of the adoration Henry had for her, and England in general, was reactionary. By the time Jane was in the picture, everyone hated Anne.
I often wonder what if Henry would have stayed so in love with her if she'd lived.
I highly recommend watching the TV series The Spanish Princess. It’s a very well made drama that focusses on the marriage between Spanish Catherine of Aragon and Henry the 8th - and particularly what a remarkable woman she was.
It'd a very good show, but as a reminder it's based off a book series from an author who likes to dramatize the events in the royals life. The author, Philippa Gregory, isn't well know in the historian sphere for being the most accurate in her writings. So most certainly don't treat it like fact. I do quite adore the show and the period pieces the cast wear throughout it. The actress for Queen Katherine is just absolutely killing it in the show.
Unfortunately, it is riddled with historical inaccuracies.
Not a big fan. The Battle of Flodden Field was horrible (Why is a pregnant woman charging into battle? She was near Buckingham when the battle occurred), Lady Beaufort is portrayed terribly (blaming all of Henry VII’s bad politics on his mother when she was away at the time is NOT feminist, Gregory) and the portrayal of the Scottish is xenophobic nonsense.