Recently upgraded my 5800x3D to 7800x3D and additional performance increase especially in heavy airports with study level airliners on the ground is remarkable. Even in 4K with 4070 ti where you would probably expect every other game to be GPU bottlenecked, the 7800x3D produces amazing performance gains.
@@AirNOTT Difficult to say, but as I said, especially on the ground during the cockpit preparation on the big airports there is a noticeable difference. Much more fluent and consistent experience. To quantify in numbers I would say maybe 10 % better performance from 50 - 60 to 60 - 70 fps (DX11, no frame generation). 1 % lows are probably even more better. And one more thing: At my old AM4 platform I had a lot of CTDs with 0xc0000005 code which are completely gone since the upgrade to AM5.
I went from r5 3600 to r7 5800x3d just for msfs and wow.. im speechless how much it did increase the performance.. anyone wondering if its worth it, yes it does! Just keep in mind 5800x3d is one hell of a hot cpu compared to 3600 and im with aio240mm..
Did the same upgrade on 3060ti a few months ago. 5800x3d is a big difference, much better 1% low, seems much smoother overall and keeps the GPU busier. A good upgrade for sure but not cheap. Worth it for MSFS alone, other games not such a big upgrade.
I upgraded from 5600X/3060 (1080p) to 5800X3D/4070TI (1440p). This was a major improvement for MSFS2020 and DCS-MT(MultiThread). However, not as large an improvement for XP11/12. System power when gaming only increased 80W with this CPU/GPU upgrade. The 5800X3D will run hotter under full load but under-volting can drop that at least 5C with no performance loss.
I think FS really likes the X3D CPUs. I went from a 3600 to the 5800X3D and got a similar uplift with my 3060. The improvement to smoothness was very noticeable.
Just upgraded my system a few days ago, already had a 4090 but went from a 5900x to a 7800X3D, 64 gigs of 6000@cl30 RAM and a X670 Aorus Elite AX motherboard. I use VR with a Reverb G2V2. I do not use DLSS (it blurs things in VR), flying the Astro around my city (Calgary, Alberta, Canada), if I use the preset VR settings to "Ultra" I get a frame rate into the 50's, if I use the "High" preset I get into the 60's using OpenXR. The flying is very smooth. I also use real time aircraft, have photogrametry on (Bing), it all looks real pretty, I can't remember the exact 100% resolution the Reverb G2 is using, but it's something around 3160 x 3092 per eye. I also noticed a improvement in some sim racing titles like ACC which is very badly optimized for VR. So far, for the titles that take advantage of the extra 3D cache, I'm impressed, for titles that do not, I'm getting roughly the same performance as my 5900x. To Airnott..... have you set Curve optimizer for your 5800x3D? if not, look up how to do it on YT, there are many videos, this will give you extra frames while using less power and keeping your CPU cooler since I've seen in the video that you are on a air cooler.
I went from a 5800X to a 5800X3D. Yes, that's right. I bought the same exact CPU but with the extra cache. And for MSFS, I do not regret it one bit. It is so good. I can't imagine what a 7800X3D is like to use.
I I upgrade to a 5800x3d from a 5500. and so my results were even better. it did cost a lot but well worth it. I play MSFS in VR with a 4060ti 16gb and its awesome.
Same motherboard as you, but I went for R9 5950x and now have a RTX 4070 up from a RTX 3060 which was from my old still used intel i5 4690, the old i5 is the PC I use for watching UA-cam and surfing, and the R9 I built last year for the flight SIM, very happy with how it runs on ultra settings with frame gen on. On 27-inch Samsung G3 monitor at 1080P, don't have the pc on to check fps.
👍great video. I have a Ryzen 9 3900 and was looking at upgrading to the AM5 chip but would Require a massive outlay. Seen a few videos with the 5800x3d but I seen you also have the same GPU I do. So was a great comparison.
Upgraded from a 3700x to a 5800x3d… I now get 60-65fps (1080p) 50-60(1440) and 30-40(4k) on my 3060 12GB. I was getting 20-30 even at 1080p with no traffic, LODs low and multiplayer off I was getting 30ish. Definitely happy that I got it. Next I’m hoping I can get a 4070 ti so I can play at 4k and enjoy this on the oculus. Hopefully by next year To add; I also play beamng. I was getting max 70 at least with no AI. I also play my games mostly 1440p) with the new CPU I was getting 120fps alone and 60 maxed out traffic. It took a lot to get it to slow down the cpu lol. Love it so much. Last edit I swear; I also noticed you basically have the same setup I have too. Besides GPU and my MB is a ROG STRIX Prime B550m I believe. (Prebuilt. Slowly building off it.)
first of all, i didn't know that performance tool was available in the devmode. i also didn't realize how cpu demanding this sim was. I've been running a i7 4770k and rx 6700xt big bottleneck for sure. just ordered a gigabyte itx board and a i5-14600KF.
Thanks for this very informative video! And just a quick side note- When doing autolands in a 737 you should arm both Commands above 800 feet, by doing this you arm FLARE and RETARD, if not, the plane will just follow the gildeslope and that can make for very late landings/very hard landings. :D
My 7800X3D turns up today so once I get up and running ill try and report back with some figures. I have a 3070ti currently so not far from your own spec. For me though, I am coming up from an i5 6600k (oc 4.5ghz) so I am going to be blown away whatever happens.
I could upgrade from my R5 5600 (selling in $150) to an R7 5700x3d (buying it in $350) It's worth that upgrade for that cost? -(currency is not in USD)-
Great video. I did the exact same upgrade this past summer. It really made the experience so much better. Did you setup each of these situations one at at time. I would live to be able to practice landings like this instead of setting up a whole flight
After upgrading to the 5800 X3D, the bottleneck moved to the GPU. You can see the CPU/GPU usage swap places after the upgrade. So, a GPU upgrade will help in your case.
Remember to always disconnect the autopilot after touchdown! In real life that's what you do to not make signals from the ILS and other aircraft interrupt you. Real life runway accidents have occured because of not disconnecting the autopilot after landing. Great video anyways!
What about going from a 5800X to the 5800X3D? I'm running an RTX3090 and fly MSFS in VR. I'm interested to see, as I can currently get an R5800X3D for £263.
I would imagine a 5600x and 5800x would be quite close in the sim, given how main thread limited it is. I can’t say for sure though as I haven’t tested it, sorry!
Question here; I'm starting a new build and I already have an RTX 4090 Founders. However, I'm in the market for a CPU. 60FPS is the goal but, I'm unfamiliar with the AMD cipset. Which CPU would you suggest with the goal of 60fps? Im also keeping in mind that while MS has said MSFS 2024 will have better processes leading to a more efficient and less taxing. However, I'm working under the idea that future updates and add on products will require even more power.
If I were building new with a 4090 in hand, I’d be going 7800X3D/DDR5 with a b650 board. Only reason I went with 5800X3D was to save the cash as I already the ram and motherboard to drop it into, and put that cash into the 4080 Super.
Hi! I am considering making the same upgrade myself. I was just curious as to what you did to upgrade (aside from new thermal paste)? Did you have to change any bios settings or uninstall/install drivers?
just bit the bullet and got the x3d. Mine should be here tomorrow! Did you update the bios before installing the new chip by going to your motherboard''s webpage or how did you do it?@@AirNOTT
@@PAPERandPENCILguy Yeah I did a bios upgrade with my old chip still in the motherboard. Went to MSI and found my board and got the download from there. Hope you enjoy the chip!
Quite an impressive difference. I have the (AM4 socket) 3600X and a 2600 RTX Super. Would it be better for me to upgrade the CPU or GPU first? Thanks for sharing your findings.
Best thing you can do is turn on dev mode in settings and see which component you’re limited by. If it’s GPU, a new cpu won’t do much to help! im unsure how much benefit a 5800X3D could have when paired with a 2060
@@pauljennings2451 That's what I did about 2 months ago. I got the 4070Ti Super and the 5800X3d. Even then, the CPU is still not enough without frame-gen turned on, but it is a very nice improvement. I should have waited and switched to the AM5 platform.
@@sky173 yes that is what I’m planning now. See what develops with gpu pricing and new iterations , going to cost north of 2k Aussie. As I tell the wife cheaper than if I go back to real flying
I have the exact same cpu. 5600x Rx 6800 gpu. MSI b550 gaming plus motherboard. Ddr4 32gb ram 2166 clock to 3000mhz. Psu 750w Tried 5800x3d but only got Worse performance with the cpu. Also tried to change GPU to 6950xt, still not better performance. Used amd cleanup tool. Same resultat. 18 to 22 fps. Orginal setup 28 to 30fps. 3 x 55 inch tv main 4k and the two on the sides 2k. Can anyone explaine WHY, I don't understand it. Thx in advance 🙂
If the majority of the work is being done on one core, it can still be maxed out as far as the game is concerned even though the total usage won’t be 100% due to multiple cores doing not that much
can confirm your numbers, just upgraded to 5800X3D pretty much only for MS FS / 1440p ultra. yes its an upgrade, but also somehow underwhelming. just doesnt feel right to spend money on a new CPU to just hit that 30 FPS mark, so check your expectations folks.🤣 you will still drop below 20FPS, especially with traffic injector at major airports - bummer. surely a worst case scenario, but isnt that the reason we go for THE best AM4 CPU, to end making compromises? maybe DLSS is the real MVP as of now, get yourself a 4070+ and enjoy MS FS, insisting on TAA (like myself) just wont get you to the promised land, even with the "not so mighty anymore" 5800X3D. cheers
This is OK if you have 1080p monitor. For 1440p and 4K you need more GPU-power. But 5800X3D is going to be very usefull with 4080 or even 4090 with higher resolutions.
Im getting pretty much exactly the same fps with my 14900k, but mine being Intel its proberbly running hotter and is definitely using more power. I have a 3080ti which is hardly being utilized. Fs2020 is so cpu dependant unfortunately
@AirNOTT OK, but that's not what you play at? Or is that all you can manage with a 3070? I thought I was getting in the 40s with my 3070 at 1440p the one time I tried MSFS on Gamepass. I gave that card to my son (4070ti now), and I'm wondering if it will make any difference in DCS going from a 5600X.
Recently upgraded my 5800x3D to 7800x3D and additional performance increase especially in heavy airports with study level airliners on the ground is remarkable. Even in 4K with 4070 ti where you would probably expect every other game to be GPU bottlenecked, the 7800x3D produces amazing performance gains.
What sort of fps difference were you seeing?
@@AirNOTT Difficult to say, but as I said, especially on the ground during the cockpit preparation on the big airports there is a noticeable difference. Much more fluent and consistent experience. To quantify in numbers I would say maybe 10 % better performance from 50 - 60 to 60 - 70 fps (DX11, no frame generation). 1 % lows are probably even more better. And one more thing: At my old AM4 platform I had a lot of CTDs with 0xc0000005 code which are completely gone since the upgrade to AM5.
Haha! This is the exact CPU I have at the moment, and the exact CPU I plan on upgrading to, thanks for this, confirmed my choice! 😅
Great minds! 😉
I upgraded 5600x to 5800x3d last year for my 4080. It was another Level in MSFS2020 and DCS also in VR.
Custom made vid for you then 😂
I’ve got a 5800x3d too. Lovely CPU
I have 3090 and play at 4k. I am not sure would that upgrade also help me.
What software you used?
I went from r5 3600 to r7 5800x3d just for msfs and wow.. im speechless how much it did increase the performance.. anyone wondering if its worth it, yes it does! Just keep in mind 5800x3d is one hell of a hot cpu compared to 3600 and im with aio240mm..
Yeah that cache really insulates the cores! Thanks for sharing your experience with everyone 👍
I still have the 3600
That’s amazing! I’ve got a PC coming soon with a 4070 and 7800X3D. The X3D chips are really really good for flight sim.
Still going to see low FPS in EGLL (~25-35fps) to taxiing.
Did the same upgrade on 3060ti a few months ago. 5800x3d is a big difference, much better 1% low, seems much smoother overall and keeps the GPU busier. A good upgrade for sure but not cheap. Worth it for MSFS alone, other games not such a big upgrade.
I upgraded from 5600X/3060 (1080p) to 5800X3D/4070TI (1440p). This was a major improvement for MSFS2020 and DCS-MT(MultiThread). However, not as large an improvement for XP11/12. System power when gaming only increased 80W with this CPU/GPU upgrade. The 5800X3D will run hotter under full load but under-volting can drop that at least 5C with no performance loss.
I think FS really likes the X3D CPUs. I went from a 3600 to the 5800X3D and got a similar uplift with my 3060. The improvement to smoothness was very noticeable.
Yeah it loves that cache!
Ok sir you convinced me to make the move, great video! Rocking the 5600x too, looking forward to the upgrade
Hope you enjoy it!
How are the results? Same as in the video?
@@yahyakr6903 didn't make the switch just yet!
Just upgraded my system a few days ago, already had a 4090 but went from a 5900x to a 7800X3D, 64 gigs of 6000@cl30 RAM and a X670 Aorus Elite AX motherboard. I use VR with a Reverb G2V2. I do not use DLSS (it blurs things in VR), flying the Astro around my city (Calgary, Alberta, Canada), if I use the preset VR settings to "Ultra" I get a frame rate into the 50's, if I use the "High" preset I get into the 60's using OpenXR. The flying is very smooth.
I also use real time aircraft, have photogrametry on (Bing), it all looks real pretty, I can't remember the exact 100% resolution the Reverb G2 is using, but it's something around 3160 x 3092 per eye. I also noticed a improvement in some sim racing titles like ACC which is very badly optimized for VR.
So far, for the titles that take advantage of the extra 3D cache, I'm impressed, for titles that do not, I'm getting roughly the same performance as my 5900x.
To Airnott..... have you set Curve optimizer for your 5800x3D? if not, look up how to do it on YT, there are many videos, this will give you extra frames while using less power and keeping your CPU cooler since I've seen in the video that you are on a air cooler.
I have the same dilema. Thanks for the video!!!
Happy to help!
I went from a 5800X to a 5800X3D. Yes, that's right. I bought the same exact CPU but with the extra cache. And for MSFS, I do not regret it one bit. It is so good. I can't imagine what a 7800X3D is like to use.
I have the 5800X3D and it's an excellent CPU for MSFS, the 3D cache really does come in handy
What did you upgrade from?
I I upgrade to a 5800x3d from a 5500. and so my results were even better. it did cost a lot but well worth it. I play MSFS in VR with a 4060ti 16gb and its awesome.
Same motherboard as you, but I went for R9 5950x and now have a RTX 4070 up from a RTX 3060 which was from my old still used intel i5 4690, the old i5 is the PC I use for watching UA-cam and surfing, and the R9 I built last year for the flight SIM, very happy with how it runs on ultra settings with frame gen on.
On 27-inch Samsung G3 monitor at 1080P, don't have the pc on to check fps.
This was a really smart decision. It can get better with a 12700k or something similar but it’s not the same socket, and gives only around +5-8fps. 👍
👍great video. I have a Ryzen 9 3900 and was looking at upgrading to the AM5 chip but would
Require a massive outlay.
Seen a few videos with the 5800x3d but I seen you also have the same GPU I do. So was a great comparison.
Upgraded from a 3700x to a 5800x3d… I now get 60-65fps (1080p) 50-60(1440) and 30-40(4k) on my 3060 12GB. I was getting 20-30 even at 1080p with no traffic, LODs low and multiplayer off I was getting 30ish. Definitely happy that I got it. Next I’m hoping I can get a 4070 ti so I can play at 4k and enjoy this on the oculus. Hopefully by next year
To add; I also play beamng. I was getting max 70 at least with no AI. I also play my games mostly 1440p) with the new CPU I was getting 120fps alone and 60 maxed out traffic. It took a lot to get it to slow down the cpu lol. Love it so much.
Last edit I swear; I also noticed you basically have the same setup I have too. Besides GPU and my MB is a ROG STRIX Prime B550m I believe. (Prebuilt. Slowly building off it.)
first of all, i didn't know that performance tool was available in the devmode. i also didn't realize how cpu demanding this sim was. I've been running a i7 4770k and rx 6700xt big bottleneck for sure. just ordered a gigabyte itx board and a i5-14600KF.
Thanks for this very informative video!
And just a quick side note- When doing autolands in a 737 you should arm both Commands above 800 feet, by doing this you arm FLARE and RETARD, if not, the plane will just follow the gildeslope and that can make for very late landings/very hard landings. :D
Thank you!
I think if the fps can be limited to 30 or 35, we can get a almost no stutter sim on 5800X3D, it's really nice
Really interesting comparison...what a difference!
Great informative video!
Congrats sir !
I've got a 5600 (non x) and a 6800xt. I was wandering the same thing: is the 5800x3d worth it? I guess you've answered my question! Good vid!
My 7800X3D turns up today so once I get up and running ill try and report back with some figures. I have a 3070ti currently so not far from your own spec.
For me though, I am coming up from an i5 6600k (oc 4.5ghz) so I am going to be blown away whatever happens.
Ah awesome! Enjoy the chip! And yeah, for you it makes sense to go 7800x3d given you’re building new
Hey, I would like to see how both perform in X-Plane 12 as I've heard the X3D is a game changer! Would be amazing if you make a video about it.
Don’t have xplane unfortunately 😔
I could upgrade from my R5 5600 (selling in $150) to an R7 5700x3d (buying it in $350) It's worth that upgrade for that cost? -(currency is not in USD)-
I have a older i7 6700K and a GTX 1080 Ti. I wonder what the difference would be between it and a new modern CPU and GPU? Would be interesting to see.
This is exactly what I need! hahaha btw, are you using OBS for recording/streaming? If so, may I know your obs output settings?
Great video. I did the exact same upgrade this past summer. It really made the experience so much better. Did you setup each of these situations one at at time. I would live to be able to practice landings like this instead of setting up a whole flight
Yeah I use fsipanel to quickly setup a landing scenario. Very handy in more complex aircraft!
@@AirNOTT thank you
After upgrading to the 5800 X3D, the bottleneck moved to the GPU. You can see the CPU/GPU usage swap places after the upgrade. So, a GPU upgrade will help in your case.
Yep, weighing up a 4070ti super / 4080 super
Just upgraded From an RTX 4060 with a Ryzen 5 3600x, to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and boy the difference you can really see.
Remember to always disconnect the autopilot after touchdown! In real life that's what you do to not make signals from the ILS and other aircraft interrupt you. Real life runway accidents have occured because of not disconnecting the autopilot after landing. Great video anyways!
hey man are you planning to do any more vatsim vids? i couldn't stop watching them
Soon!
Hi im planning to get the 5800x3d or the 5600x3d, what gpu should i pair with this gpu? Great video btw
Looks like my decision to upgrade from my 3700X to the 5800X3D is made then.
The 7900XT will be a little happier as well.
Yeah that 7900XT will thank you!
Hi, has anyone seen any difference between 5700X3D and 5800X3D? They are almost the same just some difference in base and boost frequencies
What about going from a 5800X to the 5800X3D? I'm running an RTX3090 and fly MSFS in VR. I'm interested to see, as I can currently get an R5800X3D for £263.
I would imagine a 5600x and 5800x would be quite close in the sim, given how main thread limited it is. I can’t say for sure though as I haven’t tested it, sorry!
Hey, how could you activate the toop right readings? thank u
Question here; I'm starting a new build and I already have an RTX 4090 Founders. However, I'm in the market for a CPU. 60FPS is the goal but, I'm unfamiliar with the AMD cipset. Which CPU would you suggest with the goal of 60fps? Im also keeping in mind that while MS has said MSFS 2024 will have better processes leading to a more efficient and less taxing. However, I'm working under the idea that future updates and add on products will require even more power.
If I were building new with a 4090 in hand, I’d be going 7800X3D/DDR5 with a b650 board. Only reason I went with 5800X3D was to save the cash as I already the ram and motherboard to drop it into, and put that cash into the 4080 Super.
@@AirNOTT Ahhh, thank you for the advice! +1 🙏🏾
Hi! I am considering making the same upgrade myself. I was just curious as to what you did to upgrade (aside from new thermal paste)? Did you have to change any bios settings or uninstall/install drivers?
A new bios was required as I think the one I was on was pre-x3d chips
just bit the bullet and got the x3d. Mine should be here tomorrow! Did you update the bios before installing the new chip by going to your motherboard''s webpage or how did you do it?@@AirNOTT
@@PAPERandPENCILguy Yeah I did a bios upgrade with my old chip still in the motherboard. Went to MSI and found my board and got the download from there. Hope you enjoy the chip!
Quite an impressive difference. I have the (AM4 socket) 3600X and a 2600 RTX Super. Would it be better for me to upgrade the CPU or GPU first? Thanks for sharing your findings.
Best thing you can do is turn on dev mode in settings and see which component you’re limited by. If it’s GPU, a new cpu won’t do much to help! im unsure how much benefit a 5800X3D could have when paired with a 2060
I’ve got the same/bailing both
@@pauljennings2451 That's what I did about 2 months ago. I got the 4070Ti Super and the 5800X3d. Even then, the CPU is still not enough without frame-gen turned on, but it is a very nice improvement. I should have waited and switched to the AM5 platform.
@@sky173still considering my options do upgrade minor on am4 or go all out on am5 of which will cost bucket load but an4 of won’t be cheap either
@@sky173 yes that is what I’m planning now. See what develops with gpu pricing and new iterations , going to cost north of 2k Aussie. As I tell the wife cheaper than if I go back to real flying
I have the exact same cpu. 5600x Rx 6800 gpu. MSI b550 gaming plus motherboard. Ddr4 32gb ram 2166 clock to 3000mhz. Psu 750w Tried 5800x3d but only got Worse performance with the cpu. Also tried to change GPU to 6950xt, still not better performance. Used amd cleanup tool. Same resultat. 18 to 22 fps. Orginal setup 28 to 30fps. 3 x 55 inch tv main 4k and the two on the sides 2k. Can anyone explaine WHY, I don't understand it. Thx in advance 🙂
i have a 4070ti super and a 5600x. Should i go for the 5800x3d?
For some reason I can't get over 30fps. So frustrating🤔
- 5600x
- 32GB Ram
- RTX 4070
Make sure half refresh rate vsync is turned off or turn off vsync entirely.
Wonder if the improvements would be as big at 4k or in my setup which is UW 1440p.?
I guess that’ll depend largely on your GPU
@@AirNOTT 3080
What res?
Why 5600X was struggling if its usage was not 100%?
If the majority of the work is being done on one core, it can still be maxed out as far as the game is concerned even though the total usage won’t be 100% due to multiple cores doing not that much
@@AirNOTT got it, thank you! Nice video btw.
can confirm your numbers, just upgraded to 5800X3D pretty much only for MS FS / 1440p ultra.
yes its an upgrade, but also somehow underwhelming. just doesnt feel right to spend money on a new CPU to just hit that 30 FPS mark, so check your expectations folks.🤣
you will still drop below 20FPS, especially with traffic injector at major airports - bummer. surely a worst case scenario, but isnt that the reason we go for THE best AM4 CPU, to end making compromises?
maybe DLSS is the real MVP as of now, get yourself a 4070+ and enjoy MS FS, insisting on TAA (like myself) just wont get you to the promised land, even with the "not so mighty anymore" 5800X3D. cheers
This is OK if you have 1080p monitor. For 1440p and 4K you need more GPU-power. But 5800X3D is going to be very usefull with 4080 or even 4090 with higher resolutions.
Exactly! I think a new GPU is the next phase for me
Im getting pretty much exactly the same fps with my 14900k, but mine being Intel its proberbly running hotter and is definitely using more power. I have a 3080ti which is hardly being utilized. Fs2020 is so cpu dependant unfortunately
At least it’ll keep you warm 😆
@@AirNOTT yep, dont need the heating on lol
Don't forget Nvidia Has a Driver Overhead Problem. With a AMD GPU probably you will get extra %10-20 fps couse of lower cpu usage.
Yes it's Cuz if the 3dv cache
But now do the test with the 5600x3d vs the 5600x.
lol afraid I don’t have a spare 5600x3d laying around for that
The 5800X3D has a small problem, it costs more than 100% but "only" delivers 50% more FPS.
In this instance, the resale of the 5600x alters the VFM positively.
AAGHHHHH. I've had to lock my credit card away. Why did you tell me this!!
i think game like this will be better with even more cores like 5950x
Unfortunately it’s single thread limited. More cores do very little for flight sim
1080p? Is it 2001?
It’s a good way to remove and GPU limitations when testing CPUs
@AirNOTT OK, but that's not what you play at? Or is that all you can manage with a 3070? I thought I was getting in the 40s with my 3070 at 1440p the one time I tried MSFS on Gamepass. I gave that card to my son (4070ti now), and I'm wondering if it will make any difference in DCS going from a 5600X.
I have a 7700x also a excellent cpu for msfs, btw do you have a discord server?