This. Because you never know any more if it's a good apple or bad apple. We should just scrape the apple analogy for bears. Is this a friendly bear? Or am I going to be mauled and potentially murdered today on my way home from work? At this point maybe it'd be best if we all just immediately get out, lay down and curl into the fetal position and start recording.
Bad advice. I threw a piece of raw steak on the ground for one and they called the EPA and USDA and gave me a $30,000 fine littering and for serving raw meat. Then the ATF came and shot my dog.
Meanwhile...the actual residential burglar from the incident on Ainsworth St. is 3 counties away by the end of this farce. Great video as usual, Andrew!
Yep, and had the person been just a little calmer the police would have realized their mistake in a minute and would have been on their way. Remember, when dealing with the police, always escalated and physically fight your innocence. The more innocent you are, the harder you should fight!
I always wish for the day when there's another person recording the true criminals committing crimes or getting away at the same time the cops are bullying an innocent person. That will happen one day and I will celebrate it.
Meanwhile had this woman not acted like her culture teaches her, the cop would’ve realized his mistake and went to the right house and possibly caught the burglar. Still, I just don’t understand why cops can’t be as perfect as you. There’s no excuse for human error. Your employer doesn’t know how fortunate they are to have a perfect employee like you that has never made a single mistake at work.
@@LuckyCharms777 Well there's always the possibility of human error. But cops charged forward even after they know they've messed up. Rather than owning up to the mistake, they'd rather charge forward under the pretense they're not wrong, even though it can ruin the innocent person's reputation or destroy their life. That way, they never admit to their mistakes. An efficient, albeit purely corrupt strategy. The worst part is, the people still continue to believe them. Even thought we know they can and do lie. That parts all on us.
It is amazing how the thought of innocent before guilty is accepted but people can be detained and arrested. Also amazing that when law enforcement makes a mistake almost nothing happens and when citizens make a mistake they are punished to the full extent of the law.
@@darrennew8211 Part of the problem is excessive bails that require people without conviction to stay in prison until their day in court. Also, more supervision from an external source of police would be valuable, with real punishments for "bad apples". The officer didn't say stop the car. He said "Stop the fucking car." A reasonable department should give him a written reprimand for this slight departure (what would your job do if you cursed at your bosses/customers?). Flusche is right she escalated the situation, but the cop was equally guilty of the same. One is behind bars, and one gets a paycheck.
@@theunaimedarrow4903 I agree that all those are problems. I disagree that the situation would be better if you couldn't stop someone committing a crime before you had a trial. Not everything in life is perfect.
@@darrennew8211 I hope you find out the hard way... of course your skin color is protection (something you will not admit to). You are basically saying we should all just bend over and hope and pray that the jury of our peers who truly believe that if you got arrested you must of done something wrong.. those people... acquits you... Brilliant.
@@the_algorithm No. I'm not saying that at all. I'm not sure why you'd even read into what I said that. I asked you what your alternative is to allowing people to get arrested before they've been convicted in a court. How would you work it differently? It's not helpful to point out the problems with the best system we have so far without offering how to improve it. Also, f'k you for wishing harm on someone for asking a question. You're a terrible person who shouldn't be in a comment section. What makes you think I approve arresting innocent people?
It's so messed up that this officer will not get in trouble for being on the wrong street, at the wrong house, and being just as instantly irritable and aggressive as the woman getting wrongfully detained. This officer yelled at her, then when she was reasonably confused, forced open her door and yanked her keys out. Yea I see why she was so pissed. That's some scary stuff.
LEOs are easily triggered, in this case because she pulled forward towards him after an order to stop. LEOs aren't expected to be perfect, they can make mistakes in their job just like everyone else (here wrong address).
@@1SCme If they weren't utter monsters they wouldn't follow up their meltdown by pursuing charges. Any claim to honest emotional failings go out the window on the basis of their inability to drop this case.
@@Bureaucromancer *You're seeing things in your head that don't exist in reality* - I made no reference to your talking points, they're as relevant to my comment as citing your favorite color, I directly addressed the false claims of the original comment. *Not dropping the case would be a legitimate response* - she did violate the law, resisting lawful orders (LEO did have RAS). *Maintaining or dropping the case is not an emotional response by the LEO* - the decision is made by others not directly involved.
As a non criminal, I have to assume that EVERYONE attempting to assault, carjack, or kidnap me is a criminal that must be fought to the death, purely out of civic duty. I would definitely wear a police costume if I was a violent predator.
If cops would actually tell you what crime they think they're investigating before they throw you to the ground and cuff you, it might be a bit easier. "We're investigating a burglary at 123 XYZ street." "This is PDQ street." But of course almost never will a cop say "Oh, sorry, be on your way." At least not that I've seen. Maybe when that happens it doesn't hit youtube.
@@KamakNeApiMalimawata We are investigating a school shooting. I see that you are holding a gun and are actively killing people infront of me right now, but I need to explain what the charges are before I can do anything. In reality, this would not do anything. People are so crazy now. There was a guy who was being arrested for shoplifting at walmart and he grabbed the cops gun, legit willing to murder someone over a fine for shoplifting. When arresting people who have warrants for serious crimes the police want to act like they dont know that person is wanted for something serious. For example, there is a youtube video of a guy who has a murder warrant who called the cops because his food was cold at mcdonalds. The cops told him they needed to 'detain him' to search for weapons. In reality, the cop knew he was wanted for murder, suspected he probably had a gun and would have no problem killing a cop to get away. However, the cop was able to trick him into being arrested safely. Sure, the cop could have told him that he was wanted for murder which, had the suspect had a gun, would have resulted in one of them dying. In short, if you suspect that someone has committed a felony and might be armed, you dont really have time to tell them and give them an opportunity to fight. I like to go walking out at night and I have been stopped more than once due to being suspected of burglary. However if you are calm and collected, it usually takes them a minute or two to figure it out. But yes, if you immediately go for the aggressive response, it gets much more complicated.
@@blackfalcon1324 There is a difference between an unarmed, calm person and a terrorist. Hope PIGs (Police in General) have a little brain to understand it.
Why would they do that? Cops have nothing to lose and can't be punished. They advance from making arrests, not from being nice to people. They have zero benefit for doing that.
The fourth word out of the officer's mouth, before even knowing if she was innocent or guilty, was an F-bomb. Timestamp: 1:07. This is why the public no longer respect police. They show none to the public. Are F-bombs policy of that department in introductions and greetings to citizens? Are F-bombs part of de-escalation training? Have you ever introduced yourself with an F-bomb in the same breath? I'm guessing "No to all the above." Do you think perhaps she'd have been more willing to speak with him if he weren't swearing at her in the very first sentence? I would be. You get what you give. If a cop starts swearing at me in the first 5 seconds of an interaction, what they are telling me is: 1. They are one of the bad one's and broadcasting it for all to see and hear, so start recording immediately. 2. They are a hot-head, and because of that I should speak to them as little as possible and not give them anything to use against me. 3. I should not assist this person, at all, in their attempt to fish for reasons to kidnap me and toss me in a cage for some imagined crime or threat. If he had stated, upfront, what he was investigating and where, in a calm and polite manner, this would have ended differently. I don't think it's the public who needs educated on how to deal with police, it's the other way around bro.
Yup. He was immediately pissed that she wasn't instantly compliant with commands she probably couldn't even hear with her windows rolled up and that certainly couldn't have been expecting as she backed out of a driveway. It's an unusual situation and she was given no time to process it.
You mean detention, not arrest. He has answered this - don't settle it at the time of detention, settle in in court later. If you think you know the entire circumstances (including information the LEO is not responsible to give you), and the entirety of the law (even judges have to reference), then you're displaying delusions of grandeur, otherwise you risk breaking a law by resisting.
@@1SCme she didn’t resist arrest she defended herself from some adrenaline pumped racist psychopath with a gun and a government costume who attacked her.
@@kevinmoehring8259 just Google it. Supreme Court case resisting unlawful arrest. The Supreme Court has upheld that it is self-evident that you have the right to use Force to resist an unlawful arrest. Our nation was built on fighting tyranny.
Officers need to think about how their actions impact the situation. I doubt I would have just obeyed his orders, he could have easily been a fake cop. Trying to carjacking, a robbery. I would definitely would have been on 911 calling in a suspicious activity and possibly a fake officer.
The officer had no business stopping the woman in the first place. It was an illegal stop. If it was an illegal stop, anything that happens after the stop is thrown out. Can the woman claim that the stop was illegal and thus everything that happened after the stop will be thrown out?
Can you elaborate on "this might have been one of the rare times it would have been to her advantage to talk to the police?" This seems contrary the repeated advice to never talk to the police, and never rely on our judgment as laypersons to determine when we should talk to the police. What would have been the downside of her remaining calm, but refusing to answer questions, asking for a lawyer, and asking if she's free to go?
I think "Never talk to the police" is based on not giving information that LEOs can use against you, with people not able to control what they say during a surprise detention. I would suggest instead: 1. Announce you do not consent to a search 2. You do not wish to answer questions (instead of broader declaration of your right to remain silent) 3. You want a lawyer present during questioning (Miranda right) 4. You cannot afford a lawyer and will need 1 provided for you (most jurisdiction do not have definitive criteria, millionaires have gotten free representation, LEO will not get his supervisor approval just for questioning during a detention). - Declaring your right to remain silent is considered waived if you make any statements later other than providing verbal identification, the above wouldn't be waived with this. - If the LEO asks any questions after declaring the above (other than request for identification), including something as innocuous as "why are you being difficult?" he is violating your Miranda rights - you should immediately point it out, declare the LEO is not respecting your rights, and request a supervisor and a different officer. - The above leaves you free to collect information from the LEO - Are you being detained? Why are you being detained (what is the reasonable suspicion)? Why am I being cuffed? Why do you think I pose a threat - I've made action indicating this, I have only invoked my rights? Why are you so upset that I invoked my rights? Why aren't you respecting my rights? Am I free to go? If I am not answering questions and you have already checked my identification, how are you actively investigating (requirement to continue detention)? If you aren't actively investigating, why re you extending my detention? - You can challenge the LEOs answers - challenge the RAS as a hunch. Challenge basis for placing you in cuffs. Accuse the officer of harassment-intimidation-retaliation as early as possible (making otherwise legal acts illegal). etc.
I think its better described as "don't talk about facts in your case". Pulled over for DUI? Nothing wrong with being cordial, but the words "I only had two beers" should never leave your mouth. In this case had she been calm, this probably would have been a basic traffic stop where the officer would have checked her ID then realized he's at the wrong address.
@@WyattMakes Nope - it is impossible for you to know with certain the entirety of the circumstances, so you don't really know what facts are relevant. Unless you are certain the information provided can end the RAS, don't provide it. For example, if she had ascertained the LEO's RAS was that she was leaving the residence of a reported robbery in progress, then it would be good to note she lives there, and cite any supporting evidence (address on vehicle registration or license or mail, insurance card, name on mailbox, ask neighbors, etc.) - once RS is eliminated, any extension of the detention, even just to check identification, is illegal, and any evidence of another crime collected in the process is inadmissible.
That officer was way off base, nothing she could have said would have made any difference. She was getting arrested and searched against her will due to the mistakes of the officer.
@@ericew *Her actions most definitely lead to the escalation* - driving toward the officer triggered him, if she had ascertained the RAS was a reported burglary at the address she could have shown she lived there, the LEO had sufficient RAS for a detention making her resistance illegal (which lead to her arrest).
*Reasonable suspicion is so low,* you should challenge, but unless you are certain, you risk breaking a law. Instead state you are _"Complying under duress"_ - if the LEO order is illegal, this is legally considered coercion (the same as complying with a gun to your head), not of your free will, sufficient basis for your lawyer to throw out any evidence gathered as a result, and the potential basis for a civil law suit. If it is a legal order, you won't be breaking any law by resisting.
That's why they added "articulate" to keep cops from abusing the law. Thing is, unless the defense or judge asks them to provide it, they get away with it nonetheless.
A great comment. Lot of people doing reviews on the breakdown during an interaction. Definitely not enough content post arrest. Would love to see more!
And theres nothing the least bit self serving about attorneys constantly declaring there's nothing to be done about rights violations BUT hiring them after the fact?
It's also good advice. If the lady had cooperated, she'd have been released once cops realized the mistake. Now she has those assault charges that won't just go away.
Just goes to show that every school/church/movie theater etc needs to show Chris Rocks, "How NOT to get your ass kicked by the Police" as a true public service announcement!
I believe he covered having the right to resist an unlawful detainment in an earlier video. But in that same video, he said the judge is ultimately the one who signs off on whether it was unlawful or not, and any charges you make while resisting may stick if it is seen as lawful. Also, you'll get roughed up by the police if you resist, so he said it's usually not worth it to resist.
@@trevorsreya8277 3 cops showed up at my door. One of them tried to force my left arm behind my back. I didn't allow him to. Turns out they were at the wrong house. They never tried to change me with anything and even apologize for being at the wrong house. I told them to suck my dick and get off my property then I filed a complaint against them
@@kennethwilloughby2903 I'm glad your brush with the unlawful part of the law went as smoothly as it did. Most cops I hear of that make a mistake often like to double, and triple, down on it. Especially if the victim is non compliant.
When I was in my early teens ( I am 70 years old now) i was riding my 10 speed Schwinn Varsity bike down the road in Va Beach, And there were few 10 speeds on the streets then. A policeman stopped me. Saying he was investigating a stolen bike report. He went to his car and said something over the radio. a minute latter he said I could go. the whole event was over in about 2 minutes. Me and my bike was the wrong color. My bike was yellow. Today I would have been pitted and hand cuffed and stuffed then asked questions. It is disturbing how many incompetent cops are out there today! way different from the 60's said.
Law enforcement officers enforce policy. They serve two masters - common law (the constitution in USA) and civil "law" (federal and state statues of the incorporated U.S.). The second pays a lot better and doesn't require them to treat you properly, so that's what they do.
Good advice! If anyone doubts the wisdom of saying NOTHING to law enforcement, just read Counselor James Duane’s “You Have the Right to Remain Innocent”!
I drive around at work looking for addresses all day, and USUALLY the numbers on streets that are right next to each other are staggered so you don't make this kind of mistake. One would think that a cop would know that. And if she somehow did have exactly the same address number, why was he parked across the street and one house over?
Whoever the dumb F was that designed my neighborhood has my same house number on the houses for two street south of me... so our mail gets mixed up all the time. 1234 Ast, 1234 Bst, 1234 Cst... how high was that guy????
The cop screwed up. But SHE is held accountable for acting in a most reasonable and logical manner... she was totally innocent and uninvolved and should be acquitted.
You have to keep your calm, but the officer is free to panic. The best you can hope for is they'll drop the charges, there is no consequence for them. Murica
Hey, Andrew. As much as you can, would you please address Kirk's question? I'm in a similar situation, and forcing me to put my arms back or up could do serious damage to both arms and shoulders. Thanks.
I would suggest requesting 2 sets of cuffs (hands further apart) calmly explaining they won't fully reach and can cause permanent severe injury if forced. If you get an injury from this, you have a strong basis for a civil suit against the department, which has some legal responsibility for the care of people under their control/custody.
@@1SCme So the taxpayers (us) get to payout for a sadistic, evil p.o.s. not caring? Wonderful. That certainly helps everyone in the situation doesn't it?
I had to have most of the muscles and tendons removed due to a major infection. I can have injuries and extreme pain if forced. I can't raise my arms above my head and I am scared to death of being shot or Tazed which would kill me as it would destroy my pacemaker
This woman did exactly what ANY person would do in such a situation. This video's analysis made no sense given that an innocent person was called out for absolutely no reason whatsoever and acted accordingly. Would the same analysis apply if your mother or your grandmother were pulled out and handcuffed for under the same circumstances?
I'd tell her "Grandma, you're 4'10" and 90 pounds soaking wet. Don't fight the flippin police! It never turns out well. You can come home and chancla us all you want, but the cops take a dim view of that kind of thing..."
@@alexandersears8538 by the time he said that word she’d already ignored his command to stop and had actually driven her vehicle toward him. Even-someone with a burning hatred for all police officers-can understand his aggravation at that. Jesus. I’ve watched the complete video though, maybe it’s not as clear here.
I like her aggressiveness,her redressing her government, legally. As for reasonable?That fast to hands on? All he seen was a vehicle backing out of a driveway?Andrew?Was that reasonable to go hands on?HE, went into her car.The only reliable information he has is that he sees that a vehicle is leaving.He didn't bother to check the address,that was freaking available to him. Just one look.But the fool too f'in lazy to be sure. That is a hell of a low threshold if that is all it takes to "reasonably" detain someone. Really disappointed the courts don't hold the public (tyrants) servants to a decent level of professionalism.
5:24 I disagree with your advice about asking the police to retrieve belonging from the vehicle. Not only does this give them consent to search, but even if they are probably going to take an inventory search of the car anyway (for impound purposes) asking them to retrieve specific items may cause them to search longer.
Him being on the wrong street isn't the only thing that makes this situation look worse for the police. He also starts by telling the person to get out of the fucking car. When officers start an encounter off at an escalated level, they're a hell of a lot more likely to get a fight back. But of course officers have all the power and they know this which is why they do this and they don't care that often the response might be aggressive because now they can get you on assaulting an officer and look like the victim. Now maybe this all goes down even if the officer is kind, courteous, and does everything properly. I'm just saying as someone who worked security for a decade, you will resolve a hell of a lot more problems with far less aggravation if you're polite and reasonable with people than if you walk in and immediately start being aggressive.
So in your example would the search that found contraband on the old man lead to a guilty conviction, despite the man being the wrong guy and the search was not justified due to no reasonable suspicion other than looking like a suspect nor connected to the crime committed? If that's the case the US needs to change laws like that because that's messed up. It should be only if you did something that lead to reasonable suspicion of committing a crime not oh you just look like a suspect so now I can charge you for weed paraphanillia. Which is dangerously close to profiling. "You look like a guilty criminal. So im going to try to find something wrong with you because if I dont, then I may get in trouble."
Exactly - I need to tape in a flip down extension on my mobile so the lens is above my pocket, if the LEO removes it before deciding to make an arrest without claiming it is a weapon, the LEO just performed an illegal seizure and violated my 1st amendment rights.
Miss Rollins could teach a master class in taking a bad situation and making it much, much worse. She needed to engage her brain and think about how to handle an unexpected situation.
It takes a hell of a lot of hubris to describe being arrested because a cop can't tell streets apart as merely "unexpected". Let alone normalizing the attempt to criminalize resistance in such a scenario; no, I DONT CARE that the statute probably allows for, police have discretion, prosecutors have discretion and judges have discretion. None of them are exercising any.
In a day and age where the police misidentify a vehicle, open the driver's door, see someone eating a hamburger, pull out their weapon and start firing at them, I don't blame ANYONE for being hostile with the police, and especially if they're black!
I was out for a run one day. Unfortunately, I was running away from the site of a shooting, perpetrated by someone fitting my description. A police car pulled up and blocked my path and an officer jumped out to confront me. I cooperated, answered his questions and offered to return to the scene to rule me out. He was convinced it wasn't me, and I went on with my run. This woman could have done the same, probably with fewer challenges than I had. I keep hearing about "the talk," but see little evidence of it.
Evidence is admissible if officers make a "Oppsie" mistake of fact? Like if they raid the wrong house or stop the wrong person walking down the street and find drugs they can use that evidence?
Mrs Rawlins will soon be a multi-millionaire from this encounter and seeing this spread on Social media will encourage others to behave in the same way as a strategy to get rich quick
More likely some racist corrupt judge will slap her in jail. Judges are blind when it comes to cop crime and only seek to fill their cages with minorities.
People confuse the HELL out of a temporary "detention" (sometimes done only for safety reasons) and an "arrest" with charges. Might want to try and explain that for them. Good luck. See the other comments for examples of this confusion.
And cops go straight to the screaming and hands on for simple detention with no explanation way too fast. And everyone wonders why there are tensions and explosions....
I was an Army Military Policeman from 1987-1995. Many MP’s don’t ever get to see law enforcement duty however my entire 8 year stint was spent in a law enforcement capacity. When dealing with the public, professionalism and politeness on our part was MANDATORY. One of the major no no’s was swearing at detainees/suspects or anyone for that matter. If someone were to come into the MP station to complain that we cursed them out for any reason it would not have ended well for us. I understand it’s a war zone out there for cops these days, literally, but when remaining calm, professional, and politeness are taken off the table as a requirement of the job this is what you are going to get every single time. Unfortunately as cops everywhere come out of their training with a high level of paranoia already ingrained into their psyches from the academy this cycle of abusiveness is only going to get worse. As a police officer it is actually possible to remain vigilant and on constant alert without being an asshole. But as fewer people apply for police jobs and standards are continuously lowered the quality of applicants is going to continue to plummet. However, going from zero to psycho in .0006 seconds is not going to get you anywhere but a free ride to the pokey. If you are in the wrong keep your mouth shut, but if you are like this lady where you know it’s just a mistake a little common sense and cooperation goes a LONG WAY!
@@GenXMafia That's quite a rapid retreat from including all officers to a select few municipalities. Claiming these cities equal Iraq and Afghanistan is every bit as ridiculous as it seems, a strong indication that *you realize your claims have little basis in reality, and no merit, as you ridiculously try to prop them up with prose* - rational people realize reality doesn't work that way, you appear dependent on it.
@@1SCme I’m not defending cops in my comment in any way. If you actually took time to read my first comment you’d get it. Combat is combat. If I am a cop, and my partner gets his head blown off in a firefight in Chicago how is that different from your battle buddy’s head getting his head blown off in Fallujah? It’s not. Watch the video of the North Hollywood bank robbery shootout in 1997, then come back and tell me cops aren’t operating in a war zone. Fun Fact…about 90% of cops in America are veterans. You ever stop to think about that? Maybe if they’d quit hiring veterans you’d actually get a better crop of applicants that knew how to actually treat people right instead of going around acting like a drill sergeant. Another fun fact: when deployed in a combat zone 95% of the time is spent being bored off your ass. A tiny percent of that time is spent in actual combat…..you know…just like COPS.
What happens if the police makes an unreasonable and unlawful check of your vehicle or entry in your house just to discover, by “mistake”, that there was a major crime in it, let’s say contraband, murder, etc. Would this person be uncharged?
If the search is illegal, no evidence collected is admissible - unless they found more evidence, the charges should be dropped, if pursued by the prosecutor and upheld by the judge they would be dropped on appeal.
This is one of the things I constantly tell my family, "Even if you KNOW the officer is in the wrong, remain calm and comply. You cannot win a case on the streets." This isn't like the 80's and 90's where it was your word against the officers, we have the technology to be better and do better.
Bet they wouldn't die for what they are doing to her. Someone saying that you look like someone is not warrant a warrant and that's why a judge wouldn't give one for this. The car and the contract that she sighed takes her righteouse indignation away. She sighed that and now she's wrong before God. This is why they took the roads from pedestrians who are atomic vehicles,bipeds.
Officer, are you conducting an investigation? Yes, I am. Please let me know when you have completed your investigation. I will now invoke my Fifth amendment right to remain silent. Your chances of being released promptly are greatly improved, IMHO.
@@danielcockerspaniel there could have been a dialogue. She resorted to being an asshole immediately. Plenty of fault on both sides. In the end he’s supposed to be better though, but she did everything she could to escalate. Or didn’t you watch?
@@Invictus13666 he violated her immediately and she has every right to respond however she likes after that but there’s no point in arguing with a brain dead bootlicker. She should have crushed him and his tiny cop dik with her car to remove the threat
Handcuffs are uncomfortable, one might even say painful. If you are cuffed, and request medical attention to look at your wrists/arms/shoulders for injury due to the cuffs... 1. Must the Officers summon medics to take a look? 2. Could you be responsible for paying for said medical attention? 3. Is there any disadvantage to asking for medical attention after even the smallest use of force from a LEO, including handcuff, if only to make the officer go thru the paperwork associated with a Use of Force to create a paper trail and deter future use of force by LEOs?
There is never a good time to talk to the police. No matter what she did or said she was ending up in cuffs. He made that decision before she stopped the car.
Good content as always Andrew! On the magistrate interaction, are you able to request or have representation present or are you typically going to be on your own at this point?
Being overly emotional, neurotic, privileged person is a recipe for disaster. Do not fight with cops on the streets even if you are right. Sue them instead.
She is privileged. She has the privilege of assumed innocence. She didn’t “fight with cops on the streets “. She reacted as any human should react when jumped by a violent racist thug who feels that they are their master. And this same little dik fascist is carrying on the charade and pretend indignation that they were wronged. Hopefully some local hero finds this jackboot at home and teaches them a permanent lesson in the evils of tyranny. Same for anyone else in his department. Westin that badge makes them complicit in this disgusting display of tyranny and oppression.
For all practical purposes, never - you settle your grievances later in court, because you can't be certain of all of the applicable circumstances and applicable law at the time.
Its ridiculous that our legal system would allow an officer to drag a little girl out of her car, pull her hair, hand cuff her, shove her to the ground, toss her in their car, then charge HER with assault. Bad enough they can do this even to a criminal. That much worse they can do it to an innocent victim of their own incompetence. Meanwhile the actual burgler is one street over saying "i dont know what the cops are doing over there but let me grab a few more things real quick.
Yeah, I can't believe that cops can't figure out how to interact with the public without immediately cursing and shouting and tossing people around/pointing guns at grandmas.
I'm a Biker and a member of a motorcycles club I have a job and home and family. But I all ways set the description all right look suspicious please do one on profiling bikers
So, you want a black innocent woman to "THINK LOGICALY & RATIONALY" to an officer that is in the "WRONG" street/address and assumes this is the perpetrator of the crime. Now you go on and say that the first mistake Miss Rowlings makes is that she gets "UPSET"!!!! Are you 'F*CKING' kidding me?!?!? You now victimize her because she should act calmly when this tyrant does not explain 'ANYTHING' but rather gives directives to a 'FRIGHTENED INNOCENT CITIZEN', and proceeds to open the car door and remove the keys from the vehicle. Tell me are you going to represent her in her Lawsuit against this officer for violating her rights and her son??? Or are you going to say, ita a simple officer's mistake!?!?
This was a clear case of false arrest. She reasonably resusted, and if l were on the criminal jury, l would vote to aquit. On the subsequent civil suit as a juror, l would vote to award a significant award.
You completely left out the "being shot in the back multiple times" part of fleeing. Fleeing makes cops afraid for their safety and they open fire with every round in their gun, sometimes they even reload and shoot you some more, if they failed to kill you with their opening volley.
Not surprised she started losing it on the officer. But you're right, if she remained calm and just followed the request of the officer, she would have been sent on her way most likely. Some people grow up with distrust of the police....it's taught of course, and sometimes it's justified. Not here. Sure, the officer was on the wrong street, but that doesn't matter as the woman here had done NOTHING wrong. Her own paranoia and distrust of the police got her arrested.
All that she had to do was relax and talk to the guy. Inconvenient? Sure. But, if that was hr driveway, or that of a friend, that would be pretty easy to show, and she;d likely have cleared up he wrong street issue as well. All of that anger got her arrested.
Smooth brain bootlicker that psychopath thug attacked her any response she has is reasonable she should have crushed him with her car to remove the threat
You think a whit male with the same attitude would not end up in handcuffs? or much worse If you do, you're dreaming... She was begging for confrontation. Zero situational awareness. Zero emotional control.
Officer parking at a distance and walking is sensible, trying not to tip off the burglars. Officer suspecting a car pulling out of a nearby driveway is ALSO sensible, burglars often park nearby rather than AT the target house. The officer acted appropriately, the woman not so much.
The responding cop obviously made a huge mistake in stopping her . That being said the way she reacted to the cop totally escalated the situation into something far worse because of the way she handled herself. Yes absolutely the cop made a huge mistake , but the way she acted by totally losing her temper is what caused her to be arrested. This comment will probably piss off everyone but seriously people the way you interact with people in general whether it’s a cop or someone on the street you never met before if you have a disagreement about something don’t make it worse by acting all crazy and going off the deep end . Chances are it will not go well .
The only one acting unreasonable was the white power thug who attacked an innocent woman. There was no time for her to be rational he jumped her instantly without warning.
If suspicion can be reasonably articulated, there should be some expectation of that happening. "This is not X street" is one of those things that might be worth actually telling them, but that's only true if they articulate reason for suspicion and would listen to it. Since that isn't true, probably best practice in this type of encounter is to still mostly do/say nothing but obey commands after confirming that it's a command. Don't have benefit of hindsight to know why they're stopping you.
5:25 - I disagree as you are giving the COPS the right to search your vehicle. Instead request that someone you know be contacted to pick up your vehicle for you and have that person bring your wallet and phone to the jail house. Never give the COPS access to your property for any reason, as they will definitely search the property and it is a legal search. If they find contraband it will definitely be used against you. Its true if arrested they can do a search of your property but don't ever give the COPS your consent to search.
The which is actually really good advice. If the lady had come out of the car and been civil with the cop, she *might* have gotten handcuffed, but that would get cleared up as soon as the wrong street situation came to light. She would *not* have ended up with three charges of assault on police, and those charges aren't going away.
So this may sound like a stupid question but it's one I have often wondered about. I live in VA as well, a little south of you, and I know it is unlawful to resist arrest, but is there a statute that police can charge you with for resisting detainment? At the start of the video, the officer said, you are not under arrest, you are being detained. She resisted, rightfully so because she just pulled out of her driveway. And now they are charging her with assault on a police officer, when she has the right to defend herself against unlawful arrest. In reality, he assaulted her. He grabbed her without proof of a her committing a crime. He was on the wrong street, didn't verify the address, it just happened that she pulled out of her driveway while he was driving by and he stopped her for no reason except she could be who he was looking for. I support the police and have a lot of police officer friends. I get if she would have just been cooperative it most likely would have taken a different course. But at the same time, I am pretty sure that when he arrested her, he knew she wasn't who he was looking for, yet he still took her to jail because she defended herself against an unlawful arrest.
Requiring ID is illegal,is a lawless law. And we are not supposed to have to patronize the automobile industry or agree to a contract to travel. You are describing terrany, you are validating them dictating right and wrong with no reference to a higher authority. If we had the roads we used to have before the car you would have a right to travel and they would need a WARRANT before they put hands on you. WHO has athority over the goverment? If you reply themselves you aren't worth listening to. WHAT'S the consequences for breaking a oath? The opposite of lawlessness is not law, it's righteouseness, truth. There has to be something or someone above THE LAW and that's right and wrong. "Ignorance of THE LAW is no excuse", do you know why this is? It's because YOU and everyone else is going to stand before God and give account for the things that they did. Who cares about being shot, is that how you make your decisions? Being locked up is as bad as being killed if you are not going to Hell. And if you or anyone in athority isn't willing to die for what they are doing then they shouldn't be doing what they are doing. So how do you"presume" other's innocent,or you've never learned how to do that? She was under arrest as soon as he waved his finger it's LAWLESS. "Lawlessness" does not mean that right and wrong is dictated by someone. You do not have to prove your Innocents to anyone ever, what's purpose of being innocent. I'm innocent so I can die for right for my pursuit of happiness. You are just a coward and wouldn't die for anything.
In a way, it seems like it is best to treat police officers like a wild animal. Be calm around them and don't make any sudden movements or noises.
This. Because you never know any more if it's a good apple or bad apple. We should just scrape the apple analogy for bears. Is this a friendly bear? Or am I going to be mauled and potentially murdered today on my way home from work? At this point maybe it'd be best if we all just immediately get out, lay down and curl into the fetal position and start recording.
Bad advice. I threw a piece of raw steak on the ground for one and they called the EPA and USDA and gave me a $30,000 fine littering and for serving raw meat. Then the ATF came and shot my dog.
The difference between animals and cops is, animals don't lie...
@@alexandersears8538 sad but true...
@@alexandersears8538 Coke Bear!
Meanwhile...the actual residential burglar from the incident on Ainsworth St. is 3 counties away by the end of this farce. Great video as usual, Andrew!
Yep, and had the person been just a little calmer the police would have realized their mistake in a minute and would have been on their way. Remember, when dealing with the police, always escalated and physically fight your innocence. The more innocent you are, the harder you should fight!
I always wish for the day when there's another person recording the true criminals committing crimes or getting away at the same time the cops are bullying an innocent person. That will happen one day and I will celebrate it.
Almost all alarms are false alarms, and almost all burglars leave as soon as an alarm goes off.
Meanwhile had this woman not acted like her culture teaches her, the cop would’ve realized his mistake and went to the right house and possibly caught the burglar. Still, I just don’t understand why cops can’t be as perfect as you. There’s no excuse for human error. Your employer doesn’t know how fortunate they are to have a perfect employee like you that has never made a single mistake at work.
@@LuckyCharms777 Well there's always the possibility of human error. But cops charged forward even after they know they've messed up. Rather than owning up to the mistake, they'd rather charge forward under the pretense they're not wrong, even though it can ruin the innocent person's reputation or destroy their life.
That way, they never admit to their mistakes. An efficient, albeit purely corrupt strategy. The worst part is, the people still continue to believe them. Even thought we know they can and do lie. That parts all on us.
wrong lawyer for this question, need to consult the lockpicking lawyer to get out of handcuffs
From the backseat of the squad car “So, here’s the tool Bosnian Bill and I made…”
It is amazing how the thought of innocent before guilty is accepted but people can be detained and arrested. Also amazing that when law enforcement makes a mistake almost nothing happens and when citizens make a mistake they are punished to the full extent of the law.
How would you have it differently? Of course people are going to get arrested before their trial.
@@darrennew8211 Part of the problem is excessive bails that require people without conviction to stay in prison until their day in court. Also, more supervision from an external source of police would be valuable, with real punishments for "bad apples". The officer didn't say stop the car. He said "Stop the fucking car." A reasonable department should give him a written reprimand for this slight departure (what would your job do if you cursed at your bosses/customers?). Flusche is right she escalated the situation, but the cop was equally guilty of the same. One is behind bars, and one gets a paycheck.
@@theunaimedarrow4903 I agree that all those are problems. I disagree that the situation would be better if you couldn't stop someone committing a crime before you had a trial. Not everything in life is perfect.
@@darrennew8211 I hope you find out the hard way... of course your skin color is protection (something you will not admit to).
You are basically saying we should all just bend over and hope and pray that the jury of our peers who truly believe that if you got arrested you must of done something wrong.. those people... acquits you...
Brilliant.
@@the_algorithm No. I'm not saying that at all. I'm not sure why you'd even read into what I said that.
I asked you what your alternative is to allowing people to get arrested before they've been convicted in a court. How would you work it differently?
It's not helpful to point out the problems with the best system we have so far without offering how to improve it.
Also, f'k you for wishing harm on someone for asking a question. You're a terrible person who shouldn't be in a comment section. What makes you think I approve arresting innocent people?
It's so messed up that this officer will not get in trouble for being on the wrong street, at the wrong house, and being just as instantly irritable and aggressive as the woman getting wrongfully detained. This officer yelled at her, then when she was reasonably confused, forced open her door and yanked her keys out. Yea I see why she was so pissed. That's some scary stuff.
LEOs are easily triggered, in this case because she pulled forward towards him after an order to stop.
LEOs aren't expected to be perfect, they can make mistakes in their job just like everyone else (here wrong address).
@@1SCme If they weren't utter monsters they wouldn't follow up their meltdown by pursuing charges. Any claim to honest emotional failings go out the window on the basis of their inability to drop this case.
@@Bureaucromancer *You're seeing things in your head that don't exist in reality* - I made no reference to your talking points, they're as relevant to my comment as citing your favorite color, I directly addressed the false claims of the original comment. *Not dropping the case would be a legitimate response* - she did violate the law, resisting lawful orders (LEO did have RAS). *Maintaining or dropping the case is not an emotional response by the LEO* - the decision is made by others not directly involved.
@@1SCme at first I wanted to say something shitty to you, but despite my knee jerk reaction-you’re making sense.
Always keep your doors locked. Don't have any window rolled down more than necessary to converse. It gives you better footing to keep from escalating.
As a non criminal, I have to assume that EVERYONE attempting to assault, carjack, or kidnap me is a criminal that must be fought to the death, purely out of civic duty.
I would definitely wear a police costume if I was a violent predator.
Stop resisting kidnapping. If you did nothing you are being kidnapped.
Geez Andrew, law a side the police are really earning the hate.
"Earning the hate" is what they do best.
If cops would actually tell you what crime they think they're investigating before they throw you to the ground and cuff you, it might be a bit easier. "We're investigating a burglary at 123 XYZ street." "This is PDQ street." But of course almost never will a cop say "Oh, sorry, be on your way." At least not that I've seen. Maybe when that happens it doesn't hit youtube.
That law should be made.
@@KamakNeApiMalimawata We are investigating a school shooting. I see that you are holding a gun and are actively killing people infront of me right now, but I need to explain what the charges are before I can do anything.
In reality, this would not do anything. People are so crazy now. There was a guy who was being arrested for shoplifting at walmart and he grabbed the cops gun, legit willing to murder someone over a fine for shoplifting. When arresting people who have warrants for serious crimes the police want to act like they dont know that person is wanted for something serious. For example, there is a youtube video of a guy who has a murder warrant who called the cops because his food was cold at mcdonalds. The cops told him they needed to 'detain him' to search for weapons. In reality, the cop knew he was wanted for murder, suspected he probably had a gun and would have no problem killing a cop to get away. However, the cop was able to trick him into being arrested safely. Sure, the cop could have told him that he was wanted for murder which, had the suspect had a gun, would have resulted in one of them dying.
In short, if you suspect that someone has committed a felony and might be armed, you dont really have time to tell them and give them an opportunity to fight. I like to go walking out at night and I have been stopped more than once due to being suspected of burglary. However if you are calm and collected, it usually takes them a minute or two to figure it out. But yes, if you immediately go for the aggressive response, it gets much more complicated.
@@blackfalcon1324 There is a difference between an unarmed, calm person and a terrorist. Hope PIGs (Police in General) have a little brain to understand it.
@@KamakNeApiMalimawata How is a cop going to know if you are armed or not? Also I wouldnt call this person 'calm'.
Why would they do that? Cops have nothing to lose and can't be punished. They advance from making arrests, not from being nice to people. They have zero benefit for doing that.
The fourth word out of the officer's mouth, before even knowing if she was innocent or guilty, was an F-bomb. Timestamp: 1:07. This is why the public no longer respect police. They show none to the public. Are F-bombs policy of that department in introductions and greetings to citizens? Are F-bombs part of de-escalation training? Have you ever introduced yourself with an F-bomb in the same breath? I'm guessing "No to all the above." Do you think perhaps she'd have been more willing to speak with him if he weren't swearing at her in the very first sentence? I would be. You get what you give. If a cop starts swearing at me in the first 5 seconds of an interaction, what they are telling me is: 1. They are one of the bad one's and broadcasting it for all to see and hear, so start recording immediately. 2. They are a hot-head, and because of that I should speak to them as little as possible and not give them anything to use against me. 3. I should not assist this person, at all, in their attempt to fish for reasons to kidnap me and toss me in a cage for some imagined crime or threat. If he had stated, upfront, what he was investigating and where, in a calm and polite manner, this would have ended differently. I don't think it's the public who needs educated on how to deal with police, it's the other way around bro.
but thier black!!!!..they have to be guilty......says every cop
He was very provoking. Normal people can be blamed for doing that, but not cops.
Yup. He was immediately pissed that she wasn't instantly compliant with commands she probably couldn't even hear with her windows rolled up and that certainly couldn't have been expecting as she backed out of a driveway. It's an unusual situation and she was given no time to process it.
If I was that close to my house, I would have pulled my car back on my property. It’s Unusual to perform a traffic stop on foot. no lights or siren
1. Drop the aggressive combative attitude. 2. Have small hands. 3. Have a key.
What about our right to resist an unlawful arrest by using any means necessary? America wasn't founded by cowards. I would love to nullify that jury.
You mean detention, not arrest. He has answered this - don't settle it at the time of detention, settle in in court later. If you think you know the entire circumstances (including information the LEO is not responsible to give you), and the entirety of the law (even judges have to reference), then you're displaying delusions of grandeur, otherwise you risk breaking a law by resisting.
@@1SCme she didn’t resist arrest she defended herself from some adrenaline pumped racist psychopath with a gun and a government costume who attacked her.
You don't have the right to this. Except in Texas, to my knowledge. The place to fight a wrongful arrest is in court.
@@kevinmoehring8259 just Google it. Supreme Court case resisting unlawful arrest. The Supreme Court has upheld that it is self-evident that you have the right to use Force to resist an unlawful arrest. Our nation was built on fighting tyranny.
Officers need to think about how their actions impact the situation. I doubt I would have just obeyed his orders, he could have easily been a fake cop. Trying to carjacking, a robbery. I would definitely would have been on 911 calling in a suspicious activity and possibly a fake officer.
The officer had no business stopping the woman in the first place. It was an illegal stop. If it was an illegal stop, anything that happens after the stop is thrown out. Can the woman claim that the stop was illegal and thus everything that happened after the stop will be thrown out?
The judge won't challenge them on that because cop can stop you for almost anything. Especially in you're driving a car.
Can you elaborate on "this might have been one of the rare times it would have been to her advantage to talk to the police?" This seems contrary the repeated advice to never talk to the police, and never rely on our judgment as laypersons to determine when we should talk to the police. What would have been the downside of her remaining calm, but refusing to answer questions, asking for a lawyer, and asking if she's free to go?
I think "Never talk to the police" is based on not giving information that LEOs can use against you, with people not able to control what they say during a surprise detention.
I would suggest instead:
1. Announce you do not consent to a search
2. You do not wish to answer questions (instead of broader declaration of your right to remain silent)
3. You want a lawyer present during questioning (Miranda right)
4. You cannot afford a lawyer and will need 1 provided for you (most jurisdiction do not have definitive criteria, millionaires have gotten free representation, LEO will not get his supervisor approval just for questioning during a detention).
- Declaring your right to remain silent is considered waived if you make any statements later other than providing verbal identification, the above wouldn't be waived with this.
- If the LEO asks any questions after declaring the above (other than request for identification), including something as innocuous as "why are you being difficult?" he is violating your Miranda rights - you should immediately point it out, declare the LEO is not respecting your rights, and request a supervisor and a different officer.
- The above leaves you free to collect information from the LEO - Are you being detained? Why are you being detained (what is the reasonable suspicion)? Why am I being cuffed? Why do you think I pose a threat - I've made action indicating this, I have only invoked my rights? Why are you so upset that I invoked my rights? Why aren't you respecting my rights? Am I free to go? If I am not answering questions and you have already checked my identification, how are you actively investigating (requirement to continue detention)? If you aren't actively investigating, why re you extending my detention?
- You can challenge the LEOs answers - challenge the RAS as a hunch. Challenge basis for placing you in cuffs. Accuse the officer of harassment-intimidation-retaliation as early as possible (making otherwise legal acts illegal). etc.
I think its better described as "don't talk about facts in your case". Pulled over for DUI? Nothing wrong with being cordial, but the words "I only had two beers" should never leave your mouth.
In this case had she been calm, this probably would have been a basic traffic stop where the officer would have checked her ID then realized he's at the wrong address.
@@WyattMakes Nope - it is impossible for you to know with certain the entirety of the circumstances, so you don't really know what facts are relevant. Unless you are certain the information provided can end the RAS, don't provide it.
For example, if she had ascertained the LEO's RAS was that she was leaving the residence of a reported robbery in progress, then it would be good to note she lives there, and cite any supporting evidence (address on vehicle registration or license or mail, insurance card, name on mailbox, ask neighbors, etc.) - once RS is eliminated, any extension of the detention, even just to check identification, is illegal, and any evidence of another crime collected in the process is inadmissible.
That officer was way off base, nothing she could have said would have made any difference. She was getting arrested and searched against her will due to the mistakes of the officer.
@@ericew *Her actions most definitely lead to the escalation* - driving toward the officer triggered him, if she had ascertained the RAS was a reported burglary at the address she could have shown she lived there, the LEO had sufficient RAS for a detention making her resistance illegal (which lead to her arrest).
*Reasonable suspicion is so low,* you should challenge, but unless you are certain, you risk breaking a law. Instead state you are _"Complying under duress"_ - if the LEO order is illegal, this is legally considered coercion (the same as complying with a gun to your head), not of your free will, sufficient basis for your lawyer to throw out any evidence gathered as a result, and the potential basis for a civil law suit. If it is a legal order, you won't be breaking any law by resisting.
Best comment here.
That's why they added "articulate" to keep cops from abusing the law. Thing is, unless the defense or judge asks them to provide it, they get away with it nonetheless.
Request bodycam be turned on first.
A great comment. Lot of people doing reviews on the breakdown during an interaction. Definitely not enough content post arrest. Would love to see more!
You see the arrest of an innocent. What "more" do you need?
And theres nothing the least bit self serving about attorneys constantly declaring there's nothing to be done about rights violations BUT hiring them after the fact?
It's also good advice. If the lady had cooperated, she'd have been released once cops realized the mistake. Now she has those assault charges that won't just go away.
Just goes to show that every school/church/movie theater etc needs to show Chris Rocks, "How NOT to get your ass kicked by the Police" as a true public service announcement!
In Indiana you have a right to resist an unlawful detainment. I wouldn't advise it but we do have that right
I believe he covered having the right to resist an unlawful detainment in an earlier video. But in that same video, he said the judge is ultimately the one who signs off on whether it was unlawful or not, and any charges you make while resisting may stick if it is seen as lawful. Also, you'll get roughed up by the police if you resist, so he said it's usually not worth it to resist.
@@trevorsreya8277 3 cops showed up at my door. One of them tried to force my left arm behind my back. I didn't allow him to. Turns out they were at the wrong house. They never tried to change me with anything and even apologize for being at the wrong house. I told them to suck my dick and get off my property then I filed a complaint against them
@@kennethwilloughby2903 I'm glad your brush with the unlawful part of the law went as smoothly as it did. Most cops I hear of that make a mistake often like to double, and triple, down on it. Especially if the victim is non compliant.
When I was in my early teens ( I am 70 years old now) i was riding my 10 speed Schwinn Varsity bike down the road in Va Beach, And there were few 10 speeds on the streets then. A policeman stopped me. Saying he was investigating a stolen bike report. He went to his car and said something over the radio.
a minute latter he said I could go. the whole event was over in about 2 minutes. Me and my bike was the wrong color. My bike was yellow. Today I would have been pitted and hand cuffed and stuffed then asked questions. It is disturbing how many incompetent cops are out there today! way different from the 60's said.
He's telling you that you have to always prove your Innocents to every accusation. And this by people who represent you NOT AT ALL.
Law enforcement officers enforce policy. They serve two masters - common law (the constitution in USA) and civil "law" (federal and state statues of the incorporated U.S.). The second pays a lot better and doesn't require them to treat you properly, so that's what they do.
Good advice! If anyone doubts the wisdom of saying NOTHING to law enforcement, just read Counselor James Duane’s “You Have the Right to Remain Innocent”!
This is a wise man. Listen to him!
Correction: educated.
I drive around at work looking for addresses all day, and USUALLY the numbers on streets that are right next to each other are staggered so you don't make this kind of mistake. One would think that a cop would know that. And if she somehow did have exactly the same address number, why was he parked across the street and one house over?
Whoever the dumb F was that designed my neighborhood has my same house number on the houses for two street south of me... so our mail gets mixed up all the time. 1234 Ast, 1234 Bst, 1234 Cst... how high was that guy????
A better question would be why did he think she was a burglar?
The cop screwed up. But SHE is held accountable for acting in a most reasonable and logical manner... she was totally innocent and uninvolved and should be acquitted.
You have to keep your calm, but the officer is free to panic. The best you can hope for is they'll drop the charges, there is no consequence for them. Murica
I am unable to put my arms behind my back or up. What should I do in a similar situation?
Hey, Andrew. As much as you can, would you please address Kirk's question? I'm in a similar situation, and forcing me to put my arms back or up could do serious damage to both arms and shoulders. Thanks.
I would suggest requesting 2 sets of cuffs (hands further apart) calmly explaining they won't fully reach and can cause permanent severe injury if forced. If you get an injury from this, you have a strong basis for a civil suit against the department, which has some legal responsibility for the care of people under their control/custody.
@@1SCme So the taxpayers (us) get to payout for a sadistic, evil p.o.s. not caring? Wonderful. That certainly helps everyone in the situation doesn't it?
@@1SCme Thank, you
I had to have most of the muscles and tendons removed due to a major infection. I can have injuries and extreme pain if forced. I can't raise my arms above my head and I am scared to death of being shot or Tazed which would kill me as it would destroy my pacemaker
This woman did exactly what ANY person would do in such a situation. This video's analysis made no sense given that an innocent person was called out for absolutely no reason whatsoever and acted accordingly. Would the same analysis apply if your mother or your grandmother were pulled out and handcuffed for under the same circumstances?
I'd tell her "Grandma, you're 4'10" and 90 pounds soaking wet. Don't fight the flippin police! It never turns out well. You can come home and chancla us all you want, but the cops take a dim view of that kind of thing..."
He never identified himself as an officer. He just said stop turn off the car and get out. She don't know what kind of clown this dude is.
The fourth word out of his mouth was an F-Bomb. My mind would have went to "Either I'm being robbed, or this is a bad apple."
@@alexandersears8538 by the time he said that word she’d already ignored his command to stop and had actually driven her vehicle toward him. Even-someone with a burning hatred for all police officers-can understand his aggravation at that. Jesus.
I’ve watched the complete video though, maybe it’s not as clear here.
Great post Andrew! Appreciate your legal insight.
I like her aggressiveness,her redressing her government, legally.
As for reasonable?That fast to hands on?
All he seen was a vehicle backing out of a driveway?Andrew?Was that reasonable to go hands on?HE, went into her car.The only reliable information he has is that he sees that a vehicle is leaving.He didn't bother to check the address,that was freaking available to him.
Just one look.But the fool too f'in lazy to be sure.
That is a hell of a low threshold if that is all it takes to "reasonably" detain someone.
Really disappointed the courts don't hold the public (tyrants) servants to a decent level of professionalism.
but she was black !!!!......she MUST be guilty of something !! im sure she fit the description of the burglar
5:24 I disagree with your advice about asking the police to retrieve belonging from the vehicle. Not only does this give them consent to search, but even if they are probably going to take an inventory search of the car anyway (for impound purposes) asking them to retrieve specific items may cause them to search longer.
Yes. Release custody of the vehicle to friend/family/neighbor if possible. Probably not possible though as they like to snap up anything they can.
Him being on the wrong street isn't the only thing that makes this situation look worse for the police. He also starts by telling the person to get out of the fucking car. When officers start an encounter off at an escalated level, they're a hell of a lot more likely to get a fight back. But of course officers have all the power and they know this which is why they do this and they don't care that often the response might be aggressive because now they can get you on assaulting an officer and look like the victim. Now maybe this all goes down even if the officer is kind, courteous, and does everything properly. I'm just saying as someone who worked security for a decade, you will resolve a hell of a lot more problems with far less aggravation if you're polite and reasonable with people than if you walk in and immediately start being aggressive.
Great videos, great information, great job. Keep 'em coming with insight, humor and knowledge!! Subbed from Michigan.
So in your example would the search that found contraband on the old man lead to a guilty conviction, despite the man being the wrong guy and the search was not justified due to no reasonable suspicion other than looking like a suspect nor connected to the crime committed? If that's the case the US needs to change laws like that because that's messed up. It should be only if you did something that lead to reasonable suspicion of committing a crime not oh you just look like a suspect so now I can charge you for weed paraphanillia. Which is dangerously close to profiling. "You look like a guilty criminal. So im going to try to find something wrong with you because if I dont, then I may get in trouble."
Doesn't really matter what she did when he just walked up and started assaulting her
Well, even you are innocent be calm and try to understand what is going on. Never argue with an officer
Correction: don't resist. There's no law against arguing or not being calm.
You forgot the first step everyone should take. VIDEO THE POLICE. You might not be able to get the police video, if the police even took one.
Exactly - I need to tape in a flip down extension on my mobile so the lens is above my pocket, if the LEO removes it before deciding to make an arrest without claiming it is a weapon, the LEO just performed an illegal seizure and violated my 1st amendment rights.
That's a fancy bowtie today, Mr. Andy!
Great advice. YOU are an honorable public servant, as in you provide an honorable service to the public as a private citizen.
You rock.
Miss Rollins could teach a master class in taking a bad situation and making it much, much worse. She needed to engage her brain and think about how to handle an unexpected situation.
It takes a hell of a lot of hubris to describe being arrested because a cop can't tell streets apart as merely "unexpected". Let alone normalizing the attempt to criminalize resistance in such a scenario; no, I DONT CARE that the statute probably allows for, police have discretion, prosecutors have discretion and judges have discretion. None of them are exercising any.
Thank you
I recently noticed you as guest on the Glenn Beck show so I looked you up and have binged your videos. Thank you for your helpful information!
In a day and age where the police misidentify a vehicle, open the driver's door, see someone eating a hamburger, pull out their weapon and start firing at them, I don't blame ANYONE for being hostile with the police, and especially if they're black!
The situation starts off real crappy with the cop walking in front of her car and being aggressive from the beginning. 😐
I was out for a run one day. Unfortunately, I was running away from the site of a shooting, perpetrated by someone fitting my description.
A police car pulled up and blocked my path and an officer jumped out to confront me.
I cooperated, answered his questions and offered to return to the scene to rule me out.
He was convinced it wasn't me, and I went on with my run.
This woman could have done the same, probably with fewer challenges than I had.
I keep hearing about "the talk," but see little evidence of it.
2:11 Am I wrong, but that holster seems a bit inadequate for cop work.
Listening is usually the biggest problem.
Evidence is admissible if officers make a "Oppsie" mistake of fact? Like if they raid the wrong house or stop the wrong person walking down the street and find drugs they can use that evidence?
but if you shoot atta cop that busts into your home at night, you are charged with ag assault onna leo, if ya live.
Mrs Rawlins will soon be a multi-millionaire from this encounter and seeing this spread on Social media will encourage others to behave in the same way as a strategy to get rich quick
Perhaps cops should see it as a warning to stop bankrupting their municipalities by acting like dickheads.
More likely some racist corrupt judge will slap her in jail. Judges are blind when it comes to cop crime and only seek to fill their cages with minorities.
People confuse the HELL out of a temporary "detention" (sometimes done only for safety reasons) and an "arrest" with charges. Might want to try and explain that for them. Good luck. See the other comments for examples of this confusion.
And cops go straight to the screaming and hands on for simple detention with no explanation way too fast. And everyone wonders why there are tensions and explosions....
Whenever I make a mistake, I have to pay for it. Whenever the government makes a mistake, I have to pay for it.
I was an Army Military Policeman from 1987-1995. Many MP’s don’t ever get to see law enforcement duty however my entire 8 year stint was spent in a law enforcement capacity. When dealing with the public, professionalism and politeness on our part was MANDATORY. One of the major no no’s was swearing at detainees/suspects or anyone for that matter. If someone were to come into the MP station to complain that we cursed them out for any reason it would not have ended well for us.
I understand it’s a war zone out there for cops these days, literally, but when remaining calm, professional, and politeness are taken off the table as a requirement of the job this is what you are going to get every single time. Unfortunately as cops everywhere come out of their training with a high level of paranoia already ingrained into their psyches from the academy this cycle of abusiveness is only going to get worse. As a police officer it is actually possible to remain vigilant and on constant alert without being an asshole. But as fewer people apply for police jobs and standards are continuously lowered the quality of applicants is going to continue to plummet.
However, going from zero to psycho in .0006 seconds is not going to get you anywhere but a free ride to the pokey. If you are in the wrong keep your mouth shut, but if you are like this lady where you know it’s just a mistake a little common sense and cooperation goes a LONG WAY!
I did 4 combat tours (3 in Iraq and 1 in 'Stan). Are you saying that these tyrants go through what I, and my buddies, went through?
@@mattbrown5511 In places like Chicago, New York, Detroit, Los Angeles…yessir they do.
@@GenXMafia That's quite a rapid retreat from including all officers to a select few municipalities. Claiming these cities equal Iraq and Afghanistan is every bit as ridiculous as it seems, a strong indication that *you realize your claims have little basis in reality, and no merit, as you ridiculously try to prop them up with prose* - rational people realize reality doesn't work that way, you appear dependent on it.
@@1SCme I’m not defending cops in my comment in any way. If you actually took time to read my first comment you’d get it. Combat is combat. If I am a cop, and my partner gets his head blown off in a firefight in Chicago how is that different from your battle buddy’s head getting his head blown off in Fallujah? It’s not.
Watch the video of the North Hollywood bank robbery shootout in 1997, then come back and tell me cops aren’t operating in a war zone. Fun Fact…about 90% of cops in America are veterans. You ever stop to think about that? Maybe if they’d quit hiring veterans you’d actually get a better crop of applicants that knew how to actually treat people right instead of going around acting like a drill sergeant. Another fun fact: when deployed in a combat zone 95% of the time is spent being bored off your ass. A tiny percent of that time is spent in actual combat…..you know…just like COPS.
@@GenXMafia Ok, show the last time there was a roadside bomb in any of those places (IED). I'll wait.
This cop is sub human
What happens if the police makes an unreasonable and unlawful check of your vehicle or entry in your house just to discover, by “mistake”, that there was a major crime in it, let’s say contraband, murder, etc. Would this person be uncharged?
If the search is illegal, no evidence collected is admissible - unless they found more evidence, the charges should be dropped, if pursued by the prosecutor and upheld by the judge they would be dropped on appeal.
He has to have some reason to enter. If someone cried for help, or he heard a gunshot, for example.
This is one of the things I constantly tell my family, "Even if you KNOW the officer is in the wrong, remain calm and comply. You cannot win a case on the streets." This isn't like the 80's and 90's where it was your word against the officers, we have the technology to be better and do better.
A popular in Houston,TX says "Don't try and have court in the street, have it in the courts"!
Bet they wouldn't die for what they are doing to her. Someone saying that you look like someone is not warrant a warrant and that's why a judge wouldn't give one for this. The car and the contract that she sighed takes her righteouse indignation away. She sighed that and now she's wrong before God. This is why they took the roads from pedestrians who are atomic vehicles,bipeds.
In the eyes of a young female, what is the difference between this and carjacking?
Before, during and after you're arrested, SHADDAP! SHADDAP! SHADDAP! The end.
Officer, are you conducting an investigation?
Yes, I am.
Please let me know when you have completed your investigation. I will now invoke my Fifth amendment right to remain silent.
Your chances of being released promptly are greatly improved, IMHO.
Does not matter... they can lie about that...
Just ask for a lawyer and keep your mouth shut.
Unless you’re dealing with one of the cops who gets personally offended by those words.
There was never a dialogue. The cop escalated to violence instantly.
@@danielcockerspaniel there could have been a dialogue. She resorted to being an asshole immediately. Plenty of fault on both sides. In the end he’s supposed to be better though, but she did everything she could to escalate. Or didn’t you watch?
@@Invictus13666 he violated her immediately and she has every right to respond however she likes after that but there’s no point in arguing with a brain dead bootlicker. She should have crushed him and his tiny cop dik with her car to remove the threat
All your telling people is to obey threat's.
Handcuffs are uncomfortable, one might even say painful. If you are cuffed, and request medical attention to look at your wrists/arms/shoulders for injury due to the cuffs...
1. Must the Officers summon medics to take a look?
2. Could you be responsible for paying for said medical attention?
3. Is there any disadvantage to asking for medical attention after even the smallest use of force from a LEO, including handcuff, if only to make the officer go thru the paperwork associated with a Use of Force to create a paper trail and deter future use of force by LEOs?
There is never a good time to talk to the police. No matter what she did or said she was ending up in cuffs. He made that decision before she stopped the car.
It always amazes me how people argue and plea with cops thinking the cops will change their mind and say “ok I’ll let you go.” SMH
Good content as always Andrew! On the magistrate interaction, are you able to request or have representation present or are you typically going to be on your own at this point?
Considering he said "don't take the bait" it's reasonable to assume you're on your own.
Being overly emotional, neurotic, privileged person is a recipe for disaster. Do not fight with cops on the streets even if you are right. Sue them instead.
She is privileged. She has the privilege of assumed innocence. She didn’t “fight with cops on the streets “. She reacted as any human should react when jumped by a violent racist thug who feels that they are their master. And this same little dik fascist is carrying on the charade and pretend indignation that they were wronged. Hopefully some local hero finds this jackboot at home and teaches them a permanent lesson in the evils of tyranny. Same for anyone else in his department. Westin that badge makes them complicit in this disgusting display of tyranny and oppression.
So when do you fight the police. This is the bigger question.
For all practical purposes, never - you settle your grievances later in court, because you can't be certain of all of the applicable circumstances and applicable law at the time.
Its ridiculous that our legal system would allow an officer to drag a little girl out of her car, pull her hair, hand cuff her, shove her to the ground, toss her in their car, then charge HER with assault. Bad enough they can do this even to a criminal. That much worse they can do it to an innocent victim of their own incompetence. Meanwhile the actual burgler is one street over saying "i dont know what the cops are doing over there but let me grab a few more things real quick.
Some people think screaming and acting aggressive will get them what they want; some people are tired of it.
Yeah, I can't believe that cops can't figure out how to interact with the public without immediately cursing and shouting and tossing people around/pointing guns at grandmas.
how do you avoid handcuffs?
I'm a Biker and a member of a motorcycles club I have a job and home and family. But I all ways set the description all right look suspicious please do one on profiling bikers
i believe that if anyone enters a jail everyne should do the naked ass squat to make sure everyone *including officers*
this is why. we need to VOTE OUR ARE LAW MAKERS. we need laws to protect citizens from corrupt officers, not laws to protect corrupt officers.
2:11 What do you do if you get a panic attack when the officer tries to detain you?
That cop went from zero to arrest in seconds.
So, you want a black innocent woman to "THINK LOGICALY & RATIONALY" to an officer that is in the "WRONG" street/address and assumes this is the perpetrator of the crime. Now you go on and say that the first mistake Miss Rowlings makes is that she gets "UPSET"!!!!
Are you 'F*CKING' kidding me?!?!? You now victimize her because she should act calmly when this tyrant does not explain 'ANYTHING' but rather gives directives to a 'FRIGHTENED INNOCENT CITIZEN', and proceeds to open the car door and remove the keys from the vehicle.
Tell me are you going to represent her in her Lawsuit against this officer for violating her rights and her son??? Or are you going to say, ita a simple officer's mistake!?!?
We have got to get rid of 'qualified immunity' and start charging these cops with felonies for assaulting citizens.
A real shame LEO's are not required to meet a minimum I.Q. test.
This was a clear case of false arrest. She reasonably resusted, and if l were on the criminal jury, l would vote to aquit. On the subsequent civil suit as a juror, l would vote to award a significant award.
You completely left out the "being shot in the back multiple times" part of fleeing. Fleeing makes cops afraid for their safety and they open fire with every round in their gun, sometimes they even reload and shoot you some more, if they failed to kill you with their opening volley.
Yes we are wrong when we get upset. We aren't able to think rationally and we often, if not always, make any situation worse for us.
Not surprised she started losing it on the officer. But you're right, if she remained calm and just followed the request of the officer, she would have been sent on her way most likely.
Some people grow up with distrust of the police....it's taught of course, and sometimes it's justified. Not here. Sure, the officer was on the wrong street, but that doesn't matter as the woman here had done NOTHING wrong. Her own paranoia and distrust of the police got her arrested.
All that she had to do was relax and talk to the guy. Inconvenient? Sure. But, if that was hr driveway, or that of a friend, that would be pretty easy to show, and she;d likely have cleared up he wrong street issue as well. All of that anger got her arrested.
Smooth brain bootlicker that psychopath thug attacked her any response she has is reasonable she should have crushed him with her car to remove the threat
Officer - “but your honor, she is black and I am white and I’m in the blue line gang and I still haven’t been able to bend my badge yet”
You think a whit male with the same attitude would not end up in handcuffs? or much worse
If you do, you're dreaming...
She was begging for confrontation. Zero situational awareness.
Zero emotional control.
Officer parking at a distance and walking is sensible, trying not to tip off the burglars. Officer suspecting a car pulling out of a nearby driveway is ALSO sensible, burglars often park nearby rather than AT the target house.
The officer acted appropriately, the woman not so much.
Say it with me now, VAH-LOU-SHA
I was looking for this comment!
Great video, so helpful!
Police earning that reputation they have.
The responding cop obviously made a huge mistake in stopping her . That being said the way she reacted to the cop totally escalated the situation into something far worse because of the way she handled herself. Yes absolutely the cop made a huge mistake , but the way she acted by totally losing her temper is what caused her to be arrested. This comment will probably piss off everyone but seriously people the way you interact with people in general whether it’s a cop or someone on the street you never met before if you have a disagreement about something don’t make it worse by acting all crazy and going off the deep end . Chances are it will not go well .
The only one acting unreasonable was the white power thug who attacked an innocent woman. There was no time for her to be rational he jumped her instantly without warning.
If suspicion can be reasonably articulated, there should be some expectation of that happening. "This is not X street" is one of those things that might be worth actually telling them, but that's only true if they articulate reason for suspicion and would listen to it.
Since that isn't true, probably best practice in this type of encounter is to still mostly do/say nothing but obey commands after confirming that it's a command. Don't have benefit of hindsight to know why they're stopping you.
Also, cops will NEVER take you straight to a magistrate.
It doesn't suit the crimes they've committed.
5:25 - I disagree as you are giving the COPS the right to search your vehicle. Instead request that someone you know be contacted to pick up your vehicle for you and have that person bring your wallet and phone to the jail house. Never give the COPS access to your property for any reason, as they will definitely search the property and it is a legal search. If they find contraband it will definitely be used against you. Its true if arrested they can do a search of your property but don't ever give the COPS your consent to search.
It’s pronounced “Vole-ooh-sha”
His advise is to just give up your right without a fight and just bend over an take it.
The which is actually really good advice. If the lady had come out of the car and been civil with the cop, she *might* have gotten handcuffed, but that would get cleared up as soon as the wrong street situation came to light. She would *not* have ended up with three charges of assault on police, and those charges aren't going away.
@@hoi-polloi1863 You read like a beta male.
Heard the name of the county butchered before, but never to that extent
Does saying you need wallet/phone from the car grant them any sort of unrestricted search invitation?
So this may sound like a stupid question but it's one I have often wondered about. I live in VA as well, a little south of you, and I know it is unlawful to resist arrest, but is there a statute that police can charge you with for resisting detainment? At the start of the video, the officer said, you are not under arrest, you are being detained. She resisted, rightfully so because she just pulled out of her driveway. And now they are charging her with assault on a police officer, when she has the right to defend herself against unlawful arrest. In reality, he assaulted her. He grabbed her without proof of a her committing a crime. He was on the wrong street, didn't verify the address, it just happened that she pulled out of her driveway while he was driving by and he stopped her for no reason except she could be who he was looking for. I support the police and have a lot of police officer friends. I get if she would have just been cooperative it most likely would have taken a different course. But at the same time, I am pretty sure that when he arrested her, he knew she wasn't who he was looking for, yet he still took her to jail because she defended herself against an unlawful arrest.
Requiring ID is illegal,is a lawless law. And we are not supposed to have to patronize the automobile industry or agree to a contract to travel. You are describing terrany, you are validating them dictating right and wrong with no reference to a higher authority. If we had the roads we used to have before the car you would have a right to travel and they would need a WARRANT before they put hands on you. WHO has athority over the goverment? If you reply themselves you aren't worth listening to. WHAT'S the consequences for breaking a oath? The opposite of lawlessness is not law, it's righteouseness, truth. There has to be something or someone above THE LAW and that's right and wrong.
"Ignorance of THE LAW is no excuse", do you know why this is? It's because YOU and everyone else is going to stand before God and give account for the things that they did. Who cares about being shot, is that how you make your decisions? Being locked up is as bad as being killed if you are not going to Hell. And if you or anyone in athority isn't willing to die for what they are doing then they shouldn't be doing what they are doing. So how do you"presume" other's innocent,or you've never learned how to do that?
She was under arrest as soon as he waved his finger it's LAWLESS. "Lawlessness" does not mean that right and wrong is dictated by someone. You do not have to prove your Innocents to anyone ever, what's purpose of being innocent. I'm innocent so I can die for right for my pursuit of happiness. You are just a coward and wouldn't die for anything.