I purchased an XTherm about 8 years ago after a backpacking trip in Northern California where I froze my buns off using a cheap sleeping pad. The XTherm has never leaked or failed me in any way since that time. I never fill it up with my breath but use a little Thermarest mini pump which is surprisingly light and battery efficient (2 AAA). Never going back to a normal sleeping pad.
I truly cherish and respect your reviews. The description of your daughters pack sack is hilarious. In my opinion, you are the most respected review channel that exists, thank you for that. All the best, Dave & The Girls
In some instances you can get away with middle of the road equipment but for COLD weather camping, you do need to get the best equipment. This item is a very important piece you should not skimp on at all....great review
My experience in my meager 3 years of camping, the Big Agnes Insulated Air Core Ultra has been exceeding comfortable for me in all seasons. The lowest I've been in has been 19⁰ F. Not sure why I'd need a $250 air mattress. Granted, it's not as light as the Thermarest. And, it is quiet. I feel I made a great choice.
Yup this thing is awesome. I have the rectangular wide one with the big pump sac. It is the only mat I trust in the harsh eastern Canadian winters. I have slept on it in -30C and stayed warm. I actually use mine as a winter seat to with the Trekker chair attachment. It is crazy how no company can make a freaking pad as warm. They all try but they cannot. When you see people climbing mount everest and other extreme mountains, They all have a Xtherm. There is no room for error with real cold. All the other mats are prone to failure and just not worth the risk. Therm-A-Rest is a pretty good company to. They stand by their products. You did not mention this because your mat never failed. (Which is a testament to their quality). So yes, It is expensive but It has a lifetime warranty. When you buy something from Therm-a-rest. It is literally a lifetime investment. The only other company in in the camping/hiking world as good as them for warranty is Osprey. These two companies don't mess around. For me it was worth the money. I got mine on sale for 200 Canadian in the summer. If you buy winter gear in the spring and summer you can sometimes find some really good deals. I personally do not find it as noisy as my Yellow Therma-a-rest potato chip pad.
Hi Luke! A couple thoughts about similar pads with high quality, R Value, and low weight. Exped makes some fantastic pads. I have the Exped Ultra 7R and it’s commonly seen on sale for $150 or less online. The only difference is the slight addition of weight. It’s still less than 2lbs though! Exped also makes an 8R pad. These pads are almost dead quiet when I toss and turn at night. My buddy recently purchased the Nemo Tensor Extreme Condition pad. It boasts an 8.5 R value!!!! He said it is a dream to sleep on and the best part is how it weighs less than 1 Lb 8oz (depending on the model). This pad is expensive similar to the Thermarest around $250. Thanks again for posting another great review video. Cheers 🍻
Well, I bit the bullet! I was tired of searching online and You Tube for the best budget pad out there, so I punched in air mattress and your channel came up with this video! I always take your recommendations and after hearing this glowing review, much to my chagrin I yanked out my credit card!🥵Anyway, when you said 10 years, I thought of this purchase as an investment. Darn you Luke!😂
I have the large wide rectangular. Worth the money. I also have the large wide Uberlight. Also worth the money. It’s ridiculously light and compact. Great sleeping pads. Obviously, care is required when preparing the ground so punctures don’t happen. For most prepared sites type backpacking, these are great pads.
I’ve had mine for years. I use it year round. It’s never failed me. Taken it down to -9F and felt nothing but heat underneath me. I don’t sleep in a different bed at home when it’s hot vs cold, I don’t need to when backpacking either. It’s a great pad!
I do mostly car camping and use the Thermarest LuxuryMap sleeping pad. It's the best sleeping pad i've ever used. They make great products and wouldn't expect anything less from the company. Nice review!
Great info. I’ve always questioned the expense of Thermarest products, but if the quality is truly there, I may dive in. I don’t mind paying more for quality. Thanks for the reviews and insight. Big fan!
I got this pad after a night freezing my butt off because of a pad with a low R rating, have not regretted spending the money at all, this pad is so much warmer and it is pretty comfortable. It really does help keep you warm, I have not found the noise to be as bad as I was expecting.
I bought & have been using the XTherm (R6.9) for 4+ years. When I lay down on it inside the REI store, it immediately reflected my own body heat so I bought it. No regrets. I later purchased the Trekker chair which wraps around the XTherm, something that provides insulated back support inside or outside my tent; I've never removed. when I take the XTherm, I'm taking the Trekker chair, they truly go together. I'm not interested in any other air mattress that "claims" a highert R value rating because they don't have the 70D ground side material which is the bullet proof ground side on my XTherm. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
I bought the new Thermarest for my 2023 AT thru hike. I started in Feb and sleep cold so needed a high R value. It was more than I wanted to spend but I justified it that it was the cost of spending just a few nights at a hotel. I would use it for 6 months on trail. It kept me warm and comfortable. I got my moneys worth and it probably has many years left.
I own the Therm-A-Rest NeoAir All Season sleeping pad since 2012 and it is still fully functional without any issues. It's a fantastic sleeping pad even after 12 years. I am considering a new XTherm sleeping pad solely for its higher R-value for winter conditions.
My very first sleeping pad ever was a Therma Rest, bought it in the mid 90’s AND STILL have it/ use it. I bought it for thru hiking, I have the ultra light one that is only 4 feet long opened up, with that old style valve but it self inflates. It’s never failed me , no tears, punctures, it just performs, in a very small pack down size, year after year. That said, I’m not as young as I once was! I do more tiny camper travel/ exploring these days, and I add my Klymit 4 air mattress to my camp bed. It’s really good for my back. I’ve even added it to “guest” beds when visiting friends/ family, to prevent a bad nights sleep. Not sure it’s as warm as this, and, unlike my original ultralight Therma-Rest, I assume one of my pets ( or something! ) will eventually puncture the Klymit. But I’m glad to hear the going rate on Therma-Rest pads! Also.... I was LMAO when you described your daughter!!😂😂 I was that kind of kid. Funny how you grow out of that when it’s your own cash you’re spending...😂
Hello Luke, I have that sleeping pad, it's the rectangle large and I love it but yes it is very expensive and noisy but if something was to happen to it, I would buy it again. Thanks for your review on it, well done.
I have the xtherm max and love it. I can use my down bag as a quilt when I use the therma rest synergy sheet over the pad. Ive had it down to 28 degrees F and that pad kept me toasty warm with the sleeping bag. I'm poor but learned when it comes to things I like to buy quality. My older trail lite thermarest is still around 12 years later.
I’ll back you up with this Luke, I have the exact same one. In fact, I got a slow leak somewhere on my original mat and sent it back to Therm-a-rest and they sent me a brand new one, no questions asked 👍👍👍
The Army taught me just how important ground pads are. We were issued a thin foam pad (the name we called it isn't fit for family friendly channels, but fellow grunts I'm sure know it, lol) that was as close to useless as is humanly possible. It DID help with rocks and rough terrain at least. I switched to inflatable ones as a civilian and they're awesome, a good inflatable pillow is a great addition, and my trusty woobie in mild weather is the only blanket I need. Thanks to your review, when time comes to upgrade this will be on the top of my list.
Thanks so much for the review. I just recently subscribed to your channel and enjoy such thorough reviews. I haven't made any purchases based on your reviews... Yet. But after having a cold sleep in the middle of summer this year I knew I needed a good pad. And I knew I was going to have to spend some good Canadian dollars to get something I could rely on. To get the rectangular version of this pad I am going to have to pay C$360. I had already decided that this pad was the best choice, but I just wasn't sure if it was worth the cost. Your review and all the awesome comments helped me make that final decision to invest in this product. Out of all the gear that I need to get, this is one of the most important for overnight treks in western Canada. I sleep pretty good once I get to sleep, but if I'm cold and uncomfortable I won't sleep a wink. I read almost all 348 comments (at the moment) and this is the pad that I want to try first. I will try it and let my family try it and maybe get more. Thanks to all those that commented as well. It sounds like the newest version isn't as noisy. Not sure if that will be an issue or not. I'll find out. 😊
I built a winter sleeping system this summer with this mattress. I started with a Snugpak Antarctica sleeping bag, Arctic mat, fleece liner, SF bivvy, German army elephant skin tarp that you recommended. Flex tail 2x pump, etc. I even have the exact same 85 l backpack that you have except I ordered mine from Poland a few years ago on eBay. I learned quite a bit from you over the years, thanks. Canada.
I am VERY impressed by this air mattress!! 😮 To have something of such quality, durability, and warmth is quite impressive. It is especially gratifying that it is made in the USA. Having said that, I would only purchase this if I really needed it. The price is high for me and I do not have experiences in the wilderness that warrant such a high purchase. The noise makes me wonder if I could get sleep. Thank you for showing us this product. It feels good to know there is a great product out there should I need it or save to purchase it.
I LOVE my Nemo Tensor. I have the 25-inch-wide, rectangular version. It’s insulated and is a comfy four inches thick. I can’t image there’s a more functional, comfortable sleeping pad - for me, at least.
My Camp Rest Thermarest is the best zi've used and owned. I've had it over 35 years now, maybe 40. It works great. Always the go to piece of equipment in my travels
I personally have the XLite NXT that i use for bikepacking and it has a rating close to 4.5. But it does not have the column baffles but the square bafflest. LOVE IT. Been up in high altitude at 25 degrees and slept like a baby.
I agree with your review. We have two Original Thermo-Rest from about 1989. Paid 75 bucks each back then....totally worth it. We still use them!! Never had an issue not once. We also bought two of the neo ones about 2012. Wanted the lighter versions to lighten our packs for Boundary waters and backpacking trips. They are perfect and also worth the money. Like all camping gear take care of it and it will take care of you for many years.
Decades ago I used to go on bicycling trips, many of them were multi-day. When asked what the most important thing I learned everyone expected me to talk about hydration, or food, or keeping a good cadence and they were all surprised to hear me say 'sleep'. So many beginners buy lots of gear to do their first overnight or even a multi-day trip... but never use it beyond lighting their stove once before they leave. My advice is to trial your gear in your back yard or even your livingroom for at least 1 week, preferably 2 weeks before you leave. A good, restful sleep helps you start the day with a good attitude and makes the adventure better.
Agreed. I set up my tent in my bedroom and slept in it. It was an adjustment to sleep on just a pad. I’ve been camping and bike-packing and haven’t had a problem sleeping in my Big Agnes Copper Spur. I look forward to the night time where the temperature is cooler, when it’s can relax and my body can recover.
I found the 2020 version with R value of 6.9 regular wide for 110gbp (130 euros) on sale. I didn't think twice. So far tested it in -17C and slept without an issue. I will post a vlog sometime of my previous night out with it.
The warmest mat I ever used was the Exped Downmat 9 LW version. I currently own a Big Agnes Rapide SL Insulated, but is not in the same league in terms of its warmth factor, however is very comfortable. The Exped Downmat 9 LW has now been discontinued. Unfortunately, and was slightly too heavy & bulky at 1.2kg.
I use an Exped Synmat with an R value of 6. It's still going strong after 16 years. It's warm and ridiculously comfortable. I much prefer it to Thermarest pads.
Therma rest definitely makes a quality product. I bought my first one back in the late 90s. And it was the highest r value pad you could get and did a lot of mountaineering. It lasted a long time and was a critical piece ofy gear. I also got the ridge rest,, still beong sold today! Even till this day a pad is a critical piece of gear,, its hard to over state its importance. So much body heat is lost to the ground. So people will pay the high price for performance and quality. I do remember when i started to notice the price of these thing really shooting up and it really baffled me.
l have the new version, used it for 44 nights straight, from new. It started to deflate over the last few days, to where i'd have to re-inflate after 3-4 hours. l couldn't find a puncture or where the leak was coming from. Got home, sent it back to Thermarest, They just replaced under warranty, no questions, had it back in about 10 days. New one going well, great product, excellent after sales service. Expensive but worth it, if you're a bit old these days. Like myself,
I bought my first Therm-a-rest pad in the mid-80s. It's still in use without any problems. It's just good quality. Of course, the newer ones are more lightweight and better insulated than my old pad. But it's still good for summer.
OMG I'm laughing so hard at the daughter story! The longevity to these mats is a good investment as soon as a person get one. Thank you, to a great morning laugh, to a great day! Yall be Blessed and keep on doing you!
If you're car camping it's worth it to have a heavy, bulky foam pad. Had a Sea to Summit pad fail on me two weeks after I bought it. The Xtherm does have a heavier duty bottom but a foam mattress will never fail. I also had an Exped pad too and it was great. But it eventually developed a slow leak.
I've had the Xtherm Max Wide. I love it. I rever got on with the mummy shaped ones, my legs end up off the side. But boy when I got it, I don't use the term "game changer" on a whim, but thats exactly the term I have to use. One thing though, I've never understood why people complain about the noise. It only makes noise when you're tossing and turning. When you're lying down normally on your own it's a total non issue. Even when you do turn over the noise really isn't loud enough to bother me, and believe me, noises often disturb me, but the noise from the Xtherm does not bother me one bit.
I have the 2023 version (the new one) and so far love it. I think it’s a 7.something R-Value and you can feel it as soon as you lay on it. The updated version is .5” thicker and supposedly quieter than the old one. Nemo has a comparable one now too.
Yep, I wrote up above: "the Nemo Tensor sleeping pad, which is cheaper, lighter, and quieter than the XTherm2." I don't own it though but heard of it through friends.
I just got a gear doctor pad and its actually pretty great for a budget pad and it rolls up compact and light weight. Its the first pad ive ever used that my hip didnt hit the ground and stayed inflated all night with me and my 40 pound dog. I havent got it in super cold temps cause i live in texas and we dont get temps that low very often. But i would definitely recommend it for someone on a budget.
Over 20 years ago I bought a Therm a Rest self inflating pad. It is still going strong. I got my money’s worth for sure. I could sleep on concrete with it.
I still have my original Thermareat from about 25 years ago. I recently bought my kids the Neoair Xlite NXT which is lighter but less insulating. They have been great mattresses. For the record, the Exped Megamat 10 has a slightly higher R value of 8.1. It’s too bulky for hiking but makes a great car camping mattress.
Well if you keep the pad for 10+ years that is $25.00 per year. Reasonable if you ask me. Value because of excellent craftsmanship, and outstanding comfort. All reasons why you pay the high price as well as the unit is made here in the USA. Thanks for this fine review.
Great video! Therm-a-rest man, had it for 8 years and it never failed me either. Having said that, there must be a way to combine this technology along with deep dimples that would relieve pressure points, like the REI Helix which is super comfortable. A combination of these two pads would break the sleeping pad market.
I have a lot of respect for US made camping gear. My Moss Outland is US made, have had it for years. Whenever I see a US flag on a piece of camping gear, ya just know it's going to be good. I just bought two Thermarests: NeoAir XLite (S as a torso pad) and a ProLite Plus. Always enjoy your reviews. Super succinct.
I bought one many many years ago after all the matts I had bought eventually failed. I had read before hand they puncture easily and are noisy. Well in my view i puchases a small light matt that the neoair lays on and I never over inflate. You can have a party next to me when i sleep, so noise well in sleeping. Best matt i have ever used.
I would say if I was still able to backpack the long trails, I would gladly pay that price. I think the two most important things hiking are your sleeping bag and mattress pad. Everything after that is individual preference, so its importance is hard to argue.
The Exped Downmats are still offered by Exped. They have changed somewhat over time, (I have the DownMat with built-in pump - no longer made). They are similarly priced, similar R value, slightly thicker, vertical air beams, silent though are slightly larger and heavier when deflated. Very durable - also a great alternative. Not knocking Therm-a-rest as I too have their Neo-air pads, just offering another choice.
I use a Walmart inflatable with refective material on top, stuffed inside of my mss bivy with both sleeping bags. The combination has kept me warm in the coldest conditions of the Blue Ridge Mtns of SC.
I bought a Klymit sleeping pad five years ago after using a Thermarest hard mattress, which I still have, and use with the Klymit in cold climates. I would have loved to purchase the Neo-air mattress, but as you noted, price was a factor.
I just got a free Nemo Tensor because it had a small tear....I repaired it and it works fine, but when it eventually dies, I'll be grabbing this pad. I'm still very fond of my ultralight cot though.
Honestly I would get a yoga mat before 250 bucks. Maybe 50. But I don't camp in the cold weather or longer than a night or two in a row. I appreciate your review.
I think you've lucked out. Baffles blowing out is fairly common. Had to have mine replaced twice, despite babying it. It's also not the most comfortable out there - would say it's average. Warmth though, it's up there with the best.
I just found one at good will for ten dollars. It's not like that one but it's thermo rest, probably and old one. It has cloth on it and four fiberglass things I put them in the slot's on the sides. It inflated itself! I'm going back for the other one. It's amazing!
I have a thermal, rest , Pro. and I’ve had it for to years and I am very glad to have it. Yes it’s bulky yes it’s not ultra light, but it keeps me warm. I’ve used it in the winter months in lost Maples Texas as well as black gap Texas, and the AT.
I love their gear, I went with their Mondoking XXL instead because I toss and turn at night and needed something a bit wider, very similar otherwise and absolutely love it. Thanks Luke!
I bought a Naturehike pad which claims to have a 5.8 R value. I spent some very chilly nights in the Alps with it and I was super warm and comfy. Last but not least : it cost me less than 120 bucks.
Hm...maybe. As I am mostly into car camping, and sleeping comfortably is one of the most important aspects for an enjoyable holiday, I once caved in and got myself a high-end carp bed. It was outrageously expensive IMO (399 Euros). But for a comfortable sleep, it was worth it to me. It does not topple over, does not sink into the ground, it is wonderful. I can put a flynet which was specifically made for these things over it, and can also turn it into a one-person-tent if necessary (did this several times now. Really nice to use). I have learnt the hard way that good gear usually is expensive. But if I spend one time a large amount and enjoy it for years, I prefer that to living with the fear of my stuff breaking at any moment - and then the search begins again. So not fun.
10 more, hell yes. I'll most likely pick up a rectangular one sometime this year. Lighter, smaller pack size really the only reasons I need one. Good review. Just stay away from the goatheads in the desert
I have this for my PCT hike. I got tired of cheaper pads and pulled the trigger on this pad. So far I have been on a few shakedown hikes and it is excellent.
I spent $245 on the Zen Bivy 3D Flex Mattress with an R value of 7.2 and It's INSANELY WARM AND COMFORTABLE but it weighs 10lbs and it's not Ideal for backing but base camp or car camping.,... The Neo-Air will be By Choice for My next pad
I owned the original xTherm and i really liked it because it was the warmest pad i had used so when the new one came out i sold it on eBay then bought the new one. Maybe it was bad luck but i had to send 2 of the new ones back because they wouldn't stay inflated and then i lost my confidence so decided to try the Nemo Tensor Extreme conditions R8 and now i prefer this over the Xtherm because its equally as warm but much more comfy and quieter too plus its colour appeals more and tiny pack size.
My experience with Therm-a-Rest is quite different. I have a NeoAir Trekker and in 6 years I used it about 50 days max. After the first 3-4 years it leaks a ton of air through the seams, to the point that I need to re-inflate it during the night 1or 2 times. I mention that I am very careful with my gear, I rarely break stuff.
During my last camping trip with my father I tore through a cheap pad I was using. So when I stayed at my parents for Christmas my parents said they still had their old sleeping pads and I could take one with me. Knowing they were expensive quality items back then I took one with me. So while watching this video I was trying to imagine the space savings (I'm a kayak camper so I'm less restrained by weight and more limited by volume, especially things that can't be put in multiple smaller bags) so I grabbed the pad and what do I see? It's a Therm-A-Rest, from like 25 to 30 years ago! It literally says "The Original. Therm-A-Rest" :o
The latest version of the Therm-a-Rest is the NeoAir XTherm NXT and it is said to be quieter than the original. The crinkling sound is not completely gone but significantly reduced. Another option to consider is the Nemo Tensor sleeping pad, which is cheaper, lighter, and quieter than the XTherm2. Another option to consider is the Nemo Tensor sleeping pad, which is cheaper, lighter, and quieter than the XTherm. The Tensor is available in both rectangular and mummy shapes and has a temperature rating of 15-25 degrees. However, it requires manual inflation, and an inflation bag is not included. Just some ideas for ya'll. The "Big Agnes Q-Core Deluxe" is known for its comfort and quietness, although it is heavier than the XTherm and has mixed reviews regarding its durability. So there are some choices out there.
I've been eyeing this one up on Amazon for some time now, $364. Canadian with tax around 384ish. It migrated to the maybe sooner list lol. Thanks for the review, durability was my main concern and if it has lasted you 10 years it must be good quality. I have no problem spending a good sum of money on something if I know it'll last a good length of time, I'm old enough to remember when things were built to last lol. I must be getting older
I have no doubts that the XTherm is worth every penny, nothing worse than an uncomfortable night of sleep to make a trip go bad, the answer is yes that I'll be ordering a new pad in the very near future...
Man, I’m a cold sleeper myself and have a Big Agnes Rapid rated at 4.2 and still get cold at times. I have purchased several pieces of gear on your recommendation so,… Just used your link and picked one up. Ouch! ☝️😂
I purchased an XTherm about 8 years ago after a backpacking trip in Northern California where I froze my buns off using a cheap sleeping pad. The XTherm has never leaked or failed me in any way since that time. I never fill it up with my breath but use a little Thermarest mini pump which is surprisingly light and battery efficient (2 AAA). Never going back to a normal sleeping pad.
I truly cherish and respect your reviews. The description of your daughters pack sack is hilarious. In my opinion, you are the most respected review channel that exists, thank you for that. All the best, Dave & The Girls
I agree all reviews are very honest and not many are that.
I spent that 250 and have never regretted it. This thing is unbelievly warm 7.2 RV seriously, I love my Xthrem!
In some instances you can get away with middle of the road equipment but for COLD weather camping, you do need to get the best equipment. This item is a very important piece you should not skimp on at all....great review
I asked Luke about this pad some years ago, amd when he said to go for it, I did and have not regretted it for a second after.
My experience in my meager 3 years of camping, the Big Agnes Insulated Air Core Ultra has been exceeding comfortable for me in all seasons. The lowest I've been in has been 19⁰ F. Not sure why I'd need a $250 air mattress. Granted, it's not as light as the Thermarest. And, it is quiet. I feel I made a great choice.
Yup this thing is awesome. I have the rectangular wide one with the big pump sac. It is the only mat I trust in the harsh eastern Canadian winters. I have slept on it in -30C and stayed warm. I actually use mine as a winter seat to with the Trekker chair attachment. It is crazy how no company can make a freaking pad as warm. They all try but they cannot. When you see people climbing mount everest and other extreme mountains, They all have a Xtherm. There is no room for error with real cold. All the other mats are prone to failure and just not worth the risk.
Therm-A-Rest is a pretty good company to. They stand by their products. You did not mention this because your mat never failed. (Which is a testament to their quality). So yes, It is expensive but It has a lifetime warranty. When you buy something from Therm-a-rest. It is literally a lifetime investment. The only other company in in the camping/hiking world as good as them for warranty is Osprey. These two companies don't mess around.
For me it was worth the money. I got mine on sale for 200 Canadian in the summer. If you buy winter gear in the spring and summer you can sometimes find some really good deals. I personally do not find it as noisy as my Yellow Therma-a-rest potato chip pad.
Hi Luke!
A couple thoughts about similar pads with high quality, R Value, and low weight.
Exped makes some fantastic pads. I have the Exped Ultra 7R and it’s commonly seen on sale for $150 or less online. The only difference is the slight addition of weight. It’s still less than 2lbs though! Exped also makes an 8R pad. These pads are almost dead quiet when I toss and turn at night.
My buddy recently purchased the Nemo Tensor Extreme Condition pad. It boasts an 8.5 R value!!!! He said it is a dream to sleep on and the best part is how it weighs less than 1 Lb 8oz (depending on the model). This pad is expensive similar to the Thermarest around $250.
Thanks again for posting another great review video. Cheers 🍻
Well, I bit the bullet! I was tired of searching online and You Tube for the best budget pad out there, so I punched in air mattress and your channel came up with this video! I always take your recommendations and after hearing this glowing review, much to my chagrin I yanked out my credit card!🥵Anyway, when you said 10 years, I thought of this purchase as an investment. Darn you Luke!😂
I have the large wide rectangular. Worth the money. I also have the large wide Uberlight. Also worth the money. It’s ridiculously light and compact. Great sleeping pads. Obviously, care is required when preparing the ground so punctures don’t happen. For most prepared sites type backpacking, these are great pads.
I’ve had mine for years. I use it year round. It’s never failed me. Taken it down to -9F and felt nothing but heat underneath me. I don’t sleep in a different bed at home when it’s hot vs cold, I don’t need to when backpacking either. It’s a great pad!
I do mostly car camping and use the Thermarest LuxuryMap sleeping pad. It's the best sleeping pad i've ever used. They make great products and wouldn't expect anything less from the company. Nice review!
I have had mine for at least 6 years now still works like a champ i kept my old school heavy thermarests as under padding in my roof too tents
One of your best reviews. Thanks.
Great info. I’ve always questioned the expense of Thermarest products, but if the quality is truly there, I may dive in. I don’t mind paying more for quality. Thanks for the reviews and insight. Big fan!
I got this pad after a night freezing my butt off because of a pad with a low R rating, have not regretted spending the money at all, this pad is so much warmer and it is pretty comfortable. It really does help keep you warm, I have not found the noise to be as bad as I was expecting.
I bought & have been using the XTherm (R6.9) for 4+ years. When I lay down on it inside the REI store, it immediately reflected my own body heat so I bought it. No regrets.
I later purchased the Trekker chair which wraps around the XTherm, something that provides insulated back support inside or outside my tent; I've never removed. when I take the XTherm, I'm taking the Trekker chair, they truly go together.
I'm not interested in any other air mattress that "claims" a highert R value rating because they don't have the 70D ground side material which is the bullet proof ground side on my XTherm.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
I bought the new Thermarest for my 2023 AT thru hike. I started in Feb and sleep cold so needed a high R value. It was more than I wanted to spend but I justified it that it was the cost of spending just a few nights at a hotel. I would use it for 6 months on trail. It kept me warm and comfortable. I got my moneys worth and it probably has many years left.
I own the Therm-A-Rest NeoAir All Season sleeping pad since 2012 and it is still fully functional without any issues. It's a fantastic sleeping pad even after 12 years. I am considering a new XTherm sleeping pad solely for its higher R-value for winter conditions.
How is it in summer? Is it cold camping only?
My very first sleeping pad ever was a Therma Rest, bought it in the mid 90’s AND STILL have it/ use it. I bought it for thru hiking, I have the ultra light one that is only 4 feet long opened up, with that old style valve but it self inflates. It’s never failed me , no tears, punctures, it just performs, in a very small pack down size, year after year. That said, I’m not as young as I once was! I do more tiny camper travel/ exploring these days, and I add my Klymit 4 air mattress to my camp bed. It’s really good for my back. I’ve even added it to “guest” beds when visiting friends/ family, to prevent a bad nights sleep. Not sure it’s as warm as this, and, unlike my original ultralight Therma-Rest, I assume one of my pets ( or something! ) will eventually puncture the Klymit.
But I’m glad to hear the going rate on Therma-Rest pads! Also.... I was LMAO when you described your daughter!!😂😂
I was that kind of kid. Funny how you grow out of that when it’s your own cash you’re spending...😂
Hello Luke, I have that sleeping pad, it's the rectangle large and I love it but yes it is very expensive and noisy but if something was to happen to it, I would buy it again. Thanks for your review on it, well done.
Every time Luke shows something awesome, I want to have it.... Anyone else has that too??? 😄😄😄
I have the xtherm max and love it. I can use my down bag as a quilt when I use the therma rest synergy sheet over the pad. Ive had it down to 28 degrees F and that pad kept me toasty warm with the sleeping bag. I'm poor but learned when it comes to things I like to buy quality. My older trail lite thermarest is still around 12 years later.
I’ll back you up with this Luke, I have the exact same one. In fact, I got a slow leak somewhere on my original mat and sent it back to Therm-a-rest and they sent me a brand new one, no questions asked 👍👍👍
The Army taught me just how important ground pads are. We were issued a thin foam pad (the name we called it isn't fit for family friendly channels, but fellow grunts I'm sure know it, lol) that was as close to useless as is humanly possible. It DID help with rocks and rough terrain at least. I switched to inflatable ones as a civilian and they're awesome, a good inflatable pillow is a great addition, and my trusty woobie in mild weather is the only blanket I need.
Thanks to your review, when time comes to upgrade this will be on the top of my list.
Thanks so much for the review. I just recently subscribed to your channel and enjoy such thorough reviews. I haven't made any purchases based on your reviews... Yet. But after having a cold sleep in the middle of summer this year I knew I needed a good pad. And I knew I was going to have to spend some good Canadian dollars to get something I could rely on. To get the rectangular version of this pad I am going to have to pay C$360. I had already decided that this pad was the best choice, but I just wasn't sure if it was worth the cost. Your review and all the awesome comments helped me make that final decision to invest in this product. Out of all the gear that I need to get, this is one of the most important for overnight treks in western Canada. I sleep pretty good once I get to sleep, but if I'm cold and uncomfortable I won't sleep a wink. I read almost all 348 comments (at the moment) and this is the pad that I want to try first. I will try it and let my family try it and maybe get more. Thanks to all those that commented as well. It sounds like the newest version isn't as noisy. Not sure if that will be an issue or not. I'll find out. 😊
I built a winter sleeping system this summer with this mattress. I started with a Snugpak Antarctica sleeping bag, Arctic mat, fleece liner, SF bivvy, German army elephant skin tarp that you recommended. Flex tail 2x pump, etc. I even have the exact same 85 l backpack that you have except I ordered mine from Poland a few years ago on eBay. I learned quite a bit from you over the years, thanks. Canada.
Great review. You mentioned about the noise that produce by the movement 👍🏼
I am VERY impressed by this air mattress!! 😮
To have something of such quality, durability, and warmth is quite impressive.
It is especially gratifying that it is made in the USA.
Having said that, I would only purchase this if I really needed it. The price is high for me and I do not have experiences in the wilderness that warrant such a high purchase.
The noise makes me wonder if I could get sleep.
Thank you for showing us this product. It feels good to know there is a great product out there should I need it or save to purchase it.
I have the regular wide and the newer NXT thicker version. Both kept my back toasty warm at -25c+ sleeping directly on the frozen ground
I LOVE my Nemo Tensor. I have the 25-inch-wide, rectangular version. It’s insulated and is a comfy four inches thick. I can’t image there’s a more functional, comfortable sleeping pad - for me, at least.
Sounds like a REALLY good pad! 10 years and still going!
My Camp Rest Thermarest is the best zi've used and owned. I've had it over 35 years now, maybe 40. It works great. Always the go to piece of equipment in my travels
A good night's sleep is priceless, seems like a buy once cry once thing.
I bought a used one almost a decade ago and it's still kickin.
I personally have the XLite NXT that i use for bikepacking and it has a rating close to 4.5. But it does not have the column baffles but the square bafflest. LOVE IT. Been up in high altitude at 25 degrees and slept like a baby.
I agree with your review. We have two Original Thermo-Rest from about 1989. Paid 75 bucks each back then....totally worth it. We still use them!! Never had an issue not once. We also bought two of the neo ones about 2012. Wanted the lighter versions to lighten our packs for Boundary waters and backpacking trips. They are perfect and also worth the money. Like all camping gear take care of it and it will take care of you for many years.
Decades ago I used to go on bicycling trips, many of them were multi-day. When asked what the most important thing I learned everyone expected me to talk about hydration, or food, or keeping a good cadence and they were all surprised to hear me say 'sleep'. So many beginners buy lots of gear to do their first overnight or even a multi-day trip... but never use it beyond lighting their stove once before they leave. My advice is to trial your gear in your back yard or even your livingroom for at least 1 week, preferably 2 weeks before you leave. A good, restful sleep helps you start the day with a good attitude and makes the adventure better.
Agreed. I set up my tent in my bedroom and slept in it. It was an adjustment to sleep on just a pad. I’ve been camping and bike-packing and haven’t had a problem sleeping in my Big Agnes Copper Spur.
I look forward to the night time where the temperature is cooler, when it’s can relax and my body can recover.
I found the 2020 version with R value of 6.9 regular wide for 110gbp (130 euros) on sale. I didn't think twice. So far tested it in -17C and slept without an issue. I will post a vlog sometime of my previous night out with it.
The warmest mat I ever used was the Exped Downmat 9 LW version. I currently own a Big Agnes Rapide SL Insulated, but is not in the same league in terms of its warmth factor, however is very comfortable. The Exped Downmat 9 LW has now been discontinued. Unfortunately, and was slightly too heavy & bulky at 1.2kg.
Exped makes a newer pad with down insulation and it’s rated at R 7.1. I’ve been using mine for a few months now and really enjoy it. It weighs 0.86 kg
I use an Exped Synmat with an R value of 6. It's still going strong after 16 years. It's warm and ridiculously comfortable. I much prefer it to Thermarest pads.
Love my down mat 7...the new duras are supposed to be even warmer
It's a great pad and agree with what you said with all the pros and cons. I just can't get over how loud the crinkle is compared to others out there.
Therma rest definitely makes a quality product. I bought my first one back in the late 90s. And it was the highest r value pad you could get and did a lot of mountaineering. It lasted a long time and was a critical piece ofy gear. I also got the ridge rest,, still beong sold today! Even till this day a pad is a critical piece of gear,, its hard to over state its importance. So much body heat is lost to the ground. So people will pay the high price for performance and quality.
I do remember when i started to notice the price of these thing really shooting up and it really baffled me.
l have the new version, used it for 44 nights straight, from new. It started to deflate over the last few days, to where i'd have to re-inflate after 3-4 hours. l couldn't find a puncture or where the leak was coming from. Got home, sent it back to Thermarest, They just replaced under warranty, no questions, had it back in about 10 days.
New one going well, great product, excellent after sales service.
Expensive but worth it, if you're a bit old these days. Like myself,
I bought my first Therm-a-rest pad in the mid-80s. It's still in use without any problems. It's just good quality. Of course, the newer ones are more lightweight and better insulated than my old pad. But it's still good for summer.
Been freezing for years while Luke waiting 10 years to tell us about this... Thanks big guy
OMG I'm laughing so hard at the daughter story! The longevity to these mats is a good investment as soon as a person get one. Thank you, to a great morning laugh, to a great day! Yall be Blessed and keep on doing you!
I've had mine for many years too, absolutely love it.
If you're car camping it's worth it to have a heavy, bulky foam pad. Had a Sea to Summit pad fail on me two weeks after I bought it. The Xtherm does have a heavier duty bottom but a foam mattress will never fail. I also had an Exped pad too and it was great. But it eventually developed a slow leak.
I've had the Xtherm Max Wide. I love it. I rever got on with the mummy shaped ones, my legs end up off the side. But boy when I got it, I don't use the term "game changer" on a whim, but thats exactly the term I have to use.
One thing though, I've never understood why people complain about the noise. It only makes noise when you're tossing and turning. When you're lying down normally on your own it's a total non issue. Even when you do turn over the noise really isn't loud enough to bother me, and believe me, noises often disturb me, but the noise from the Xtherm does not bother me one bit.
I have the rectangular version. Like Luke, I’ve had it for around 10 years. No ifs, no buts, it’s the best mattress ever.
I have the 2023 version (the new one) and so far love it. I think it’s a 7.something R-Value and you can feel it as soon as you lay on it. The updated version is .5” thicker and supposedly quieter than the old one. Nemo has a comparable one now too.
Yep, I wrote up above: "the Nemo Tensor sleeping pad, which is cheaper, lighter, and quieter than the XTherm2." I don't own it though but heard of it through friends.
@@__GALLANT__ Regular Tensor has a 4.8 R value and is cheaper than X-Therm. Tensor Extreme Conditions has a 8.2 R value nan runs $250-$280.
It is without a doubt THE BEST sleeping mat I've EVER had👍
I just got a gear doctor pad and its actually pretty great for a budget pad and it rolls up compact and light weight. Its the first pad ive ever used that my hip didnt hit the ground and stayed inflated all night with me and my 40 pound dog. I havent got it in super cold temps cause i live in texas and we dont get temps that low very often. But i would definitely recommend it for someone on a budget.
Over 20 years ago I bought a Therm a Rest self inflating pad. It is still going strong. I got my money’s worth for sure. I could sleep on concrete with it.
I still have my original Thermareat from about 25 years ago. I recently bought my kids the Neoair Xlite NXT which is lighter but less insulating. They have been great mattresses. For the record, the Exped Megamat 10 has a slightly higher R value of 8.1. It’s too bulky for hiking but makes a great car camping mattress.
Well if you keep the pad for 10+ years that is $25.00 per year. Reasonable if you ask me. Value because of excellent craftsmanship, and outstanding comfort. All reasons why you pay the high price as well as the unit is made here in the USA. Thanks for this fine review.
Great video! Therm-a-rest man, had it for 8 years and it never failed me either. Having said that, there must be a way to combine this technology along with deep dimples that would relieve pressure points, like the REI Helix which is super comfortable. A combination of these two pads would break the sleeping pad market.
I have a lot of respect for US made camping gear. My Moss Outland is US made, have had it for years. Whenever I see a US flag on a piece of camping gear, ya just know it's going to be good. I just bought two Thermarests: NeoAir XLite (S as a torso pad) and a ProLite Plus. Always enjoy your reviews. Super succinct.
I bought one many many years ago after all the matts I had bought eventually failed. I had read before hand they puncture easily and are noisy. Well in my view i puchases a small light matt that the neoair lays on and I never over inflate. You can have a party next to me when i sleep, so noise well in sleeping. Best matt i have ever used.
Comfort is everything so yes, I would invest in a pad like this.
I’ve been using the same Thera rest x therm for well over 6 year loud yes but warm and comfortable if you can afford the price invest in one. Love it
I would say if I was still able to backpack the long trails, I would gladly pay that price. I think the two most important things hiking are your sleeping bag and mattress pad. Everything after that is individual preference, so its importance is hard to argue.
The Exped Downmats are still offered by Exped. They have changed somewhat over time, (I have the DownMat with built-in pump - no longer made). They are similarly priced, similar R value, slightly thicker, vertical air beams, silent though are slightly larger and heavier when deflated. Very durable - also a great alternative. Not knocking Therm-a-rest as I too have their Neo-air pads, just offering another choice.
Exped is the way to go, silent sleep compared to the chip bag.
Love my downmat 7
I am having a few EXPED DURA 8R mats (both, in MW and in LW)... so far no complaints... anyone having issues with it?
I use a Walmart inflatable with refective material on top, stuffed inside of my mss bivy with both sleeping bags. The combination has kept me warm in the coldest conditions of the Blue Ridge Mtns of SC.
I have the lite version and its an excellent sleeping pad, never regrettred buying it
I bought a Klymit sleeping pad five years ago after using a Thermarest hard mattress, which I still have, and use with the Klymit in cold climates. I would have loved to purchase the Neo-air mattress, but as you noted, price was a factor.
Daughter tested, Father approved! I'm sold...
My unbiased- I have Xtherm & Nemo EC. I have found the NEMO to be more comfortable and both warm. I take the NEMO EC most
I just got a free Nemo Tensor because it had a small tear....I repaired it and it works fine, but when it eventually dies, I'll be grabbing this pad. I'm still very fond of my ultralight cot though.
Honestly I would get a yoga mat before 250 bucks. Maybe 50. But I don't camp in the cold weather or longer than a night or two in a row. I appreciate your review.
I think you've lucked out. Baffles blowing out is fairly common. Had to have mine replaced twice, despite babying it. It's also not the most comfortable out there - would say it's average. Warmth though, it's up there with the best.
Truth. Been using mine since 2013-2014. It is way too expensive but man it radiates heat
I sent my old one to Ireland to have it repaired. They sent me a brand new one back ! Im a happy camper again :)
I would consider getting one. Right now I have the Neoair Xlite and it's a great 3 season pad. It has been solid for me so far.
I use this pad all winter in a hammock, without an underquilt, on the AT in Maine. Wicked good pad bub
I just found one at good will for ten dollars. It's not like that one but it's thermo rest, probably and old one. It has cloth on it and four fiberglass things I put them in the slot's on the sides. It inflated itself! I'm going back for the other one. It's amazing!
I still use my original self-inflating Thermorest from the 80"s! It's the bomb!
I have a thermal, rest , Pro. and I’ve had it for to years and I am very glad to have it. Yes it’s bulky yes it’s not ultra light, but it keeps me warm. I’ve used it in the winter months in lost Maples Texas as well as black gap Texas, and the AT.
Thanks for the review. I have been waiting for your review for pads. Yes I would spend that on a pad, however I will whimper a bit
Why not the Exped 8R with the pump sack?
I love their gear, I went with their Mondoking XXL instead because I toss and turn at night and needed something a bit wider, very similar otherwise and absolutely love it. Thanks Luke!
I nearly bought one but I seen the reviews on Amazon and other online stores about these delaminating.
@@raytaylor4199 I haven't had that issue but I admit I don't camp as much as Luke does.
@@darkangelgaming1117 I really wanted it as well but I just didn’t want to risk spending that much money then going through the warranty hassle.
I bought a Naturehike pad which claims to have a 5.8 R value. I spent some very chilly nights in the Alps with it and I was super warm and comfy. Last but not least : it cost me less than 120 bucks.
Hm...maybe. As I am mostly into car camping, and sleeping comfortably is one of the most important aspects for an enjoyable holiday, I once caved in and got myself a high-end carp bed. It was outrageously expensive IMO (399 Euros). But for a comfortable sleep, it was worth it to me. It does not topple over, does not sink into the ground, it is wonderful. I can put a flynet which was specifically made for these things over it, and can also turn it into a one-person-tent if necessary (did this several times now. Really nice to use).
I have learnt the hard way that good gear usually is expensive. But if I spend one time a large amount and enjoy it for years, I prefer that to living with the fear of my stuff breaking at any moment - and then the search begins again. So not fun.
10 more, hell yes. I'll most likely pick up a rectangular one sometime this year. Lighter, smaller pack size really the only reasons I need one. Good review. Just stay away from the goatheads in the desert
I have this for my PCT hike. I got tired of cheaper pads and pulled the trigger on this pad. So far I have been on a few shakedown hikes and it is excellent.
You doing it this year? Watch out for Hiking Dancer.
@@scotbotvideos yes this year, 2024. I think I have heard of that name in an announcement video.
I agree, it is the best. I bought one a few months back and it is so damn warm
I spent $245 on the Zen Bivy 3D Flex Mattress with an R value of 7.2 and It's INSANELY WARM AND COMFORTABLE but it weighs 10lbs and it's not Ideal for backing but base camp or car camping.,... The Neo-Air will be By Choice for My next pad
I owned the original xTherm and i really liked it because it was the warmest pad i had used so when the new one came out i sold it on eBay then bought the new one. Maybe it was bad luck but i had to send 2 of the new ones back because they wouldn't stay inflated and then i lost my confidence so decided to try the Nemo Tensor Extreme conditions R8 and now i prefer this over the Xtherm because its equally as warm but much more comfy and quieter too plus its colour appeals more and tiny pack size.
My experience with Therm-a-Rest is quite different. I have a NeoAir Trekker and in 6 years I used it about 50 days max. After the first 3-4 years it leaks a ton of air through the seams, to the point that I need to re-inflate it during the night 1or 2 times. I mention that I am very careful with my gear, I rarely break stuff.
I love that sleeping pad it feels like you have have a heater inside of it.
During my last camping trip with my father I tore through a cheap pad I was using. So when I stayed at my parents for Christmas my parents said they still had their old sleeping pads and I could take one with me. Knowing they were expensive quality items back then I took one with me.
So while watching this video I was trying to imagine the space savings (I'm a kayak camper so I'm less restrained by weight and more limited by volume, especially things that can't be put in multiple smaller bags) so I grabbed the pad and what do I see?
It's a Therm-A-Rest, from like 25 to 30 years ago! It literally says "The Original. Therm-A-Rest" :o
Hey Luke, over the pond our Thermarest (Made in Ireland) comes with a lifetime guarantee? Not in the US?
Well worth the money. I know what you mean about it being a bit noisy but it's not a problem for me and I don't notice it.
There is a really nice miniature air pump by Flextail on the market. Light and small, comes with adapters for the common pads..
This is what I use!
Thats a great pad. When i was researching sleeping pads that the one that was recommended over all others.
The latest version of the Therm-a-Rest is the NeoAir XTherm NXT and it is said to be quieter than the original. The crinkling sound is not completely gone but significantly reduced. Another option to consider is the Nemo Tensor sleeping pad, which is cheaper, lighter, and quieter than the XTherm2.
Another option to consider is the Nemo Tensor sleeping pad, which is cheaper, lighter, and quieter than the XTherm. The Tensor is available in both rectangular and mummy shapes and has a temperature rating of 15-25 degrees. However, it requires manual inflation, and an inflation bag is not included. Just some ideas for ya'll. The "Big Agnes Q-Core Deluxe" is known for its comfort and quietness, although it is heavier than the XTherm and has mixed reviews regarding its durability. So there are some choices out there.
Worth noting that Thermarest have 2 factories - in the US and Ireland. Their website says that this model is made in Ireland.
I've been eyeing this one up on Amazon for some time now, $364. Canadian with tax around 384ish. It migrated to the maybe sooner list lol. Thanks for the review, durability was my main concern and if it has lasted you 10 years it must be good quality. I have no problem spending a good sum of money on something if I know it'll last a good length of time, I'm old enough to remember when things were built to last lol. I must be getting older
I have no doubts that the XTherm is worth every penny, nothing worse than an uncomfortable night of sleep to make a trip go bad, the answer is yes that I'll be ordering a new pad in the very near future...
Man, I’m a cold sleeper myself and have a Big Agnes Rapid rated at 4.2 and still get cold at times. I have purchased several pieces of gear on your recommendation so,…
Just used your link and picked one up.
Ouch!
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