Just found your channel, for the shaper content (owning a 10 M) and recognised the A&S in the background. I have a model O, with the universal head, which like yours is incredibly rigid/heavy for it's size. You have great taste in machine tools and I look forward to watching your back catalogue
Beautiful machine, A&S built quality machines in those days. They had a factory a few miles from me in Bridlington where they built Bridgeports under licence. Really enjoyed the video! Phil
Glad you enjoyed the video, Phil. I remember when I was a young apprentice and my weekly train journey from the Midlands down to the Southwest used to take me past the yards of a few famous manufacturers. Sadly most of those workshops are now closed. I wonder what it would take to bring some manufacturing back here?
A very pleasant watch. Quite a complex and robust machine. I took a similar approach with my Harrison, going round everything once to clean and assess and repair only where essential to get it operational. I've still a new table nut to make and I'm just about to start editing a video sorting out the vertical head oil leaks. Cheers
Thank you, Paul, for your comments. Yes, I watched some of your Harrison milling machine videos. It seems your machine has much greater height over the table. Look forward to seeing how you get on with the table nut. Clive.
9:32 you mention the bearings should be fed with grease, as per the handbook. I agree. Strangely, mine was fitted with the original (?) 1 shot oiler which feed oil to these bearings.
Beautiful machine- looking forward to future updates . I have a 1940s vintage Van Norman 12 that is probably roughly in the same class (perhaps slightly bigger). I'll begin restoring that one shortly and might youtube it.
I appreciate your feedback. I hope to be able to upload some more videos on a regular basis. I looked up the Van Norman milling machine company on Lathes.co.uk to try to learn something about your machine. I notice that this popular website is looking for information including photographs of your machine! I look forward to seeing your series on You Tube.
Seems you undertook a similar project. I was struck by how heavy the base is as an iron casting rather than a steel fabrication. Interesting, I wasn't aware they made pillar drill and I can't find any mention of one on the Lathes.co.uk website.
I could never find any info on it either. Table cranks up and down on large dovetails. Gearbox is pressure fed with oil pump. Morse taper no 3. Auto power feed. Has the same start and stop buttons as your mill. If you move the gearbox lever whilst running it stops, good feature to protect the gearbox. Weighs about 500 kilos. Quill OD slides in adjustable bronze bearings.
Have you got a manual for the mill ? the reason I mention it is that my BCA jig borer was full of solidified grease when I bought it. I cleaned out all the passages during the rebuild and then used slideway oil. But when I got my hands on the BCA manual it specifies grease for 90% of the lubrication. I thought it might be a special grade of grease that's much more liquid than what I'm used to, but no, it's just a light grease. Maybe it's because these machines were used in industry where they wouldn't spend a long time sitting unused and would also get regular maintenance ( you'd hope, anyway ) ? I made the decision to keep using oil, I can't see it making much difference.
Thanks for your comments and question. I don't have the handbook but the lubrication chart on the machine specifies Mobilux #2 or Shell Alvania #2 for the ball bearings and oil for the gears and bearings. I got the modern grease equivalent which seems comparatively light. Yes, I also wondered what difference it would make!
Excellent work. That is a very nice machine indeed. I have subscribed to you and I am looking forward to discovering your other films. Your Adcock and Shipley is not unlike my Harrison Mill. I have had similar problems with grease "infestation" caused by the attentions of well meaning yet ultimately misguided previous owners. I have had to undertake a very thorough restoration on my mill as it was in a parlous condition when I got it. I also have a youtube channel and I have made several films detailing the restoration work done on my mill so far, as well as other workshop related topics. I'd like to take this opportunity to invite you to look them over, I hope you will find something of interest. I certainly have in yours. Excellent work with the VFD. With regard to the coolant pump I would rewire it to delta for 240v operation and use a capacitor across two of the phases - a Steinmetz connection - to get it going. I have had to convert all three motors on my machine, the main drive, the feed motor and the suds pump to delta. I had to do this by stripping them and rewiring the stators as none of them had the luxury of an external junction box with the windings brought out to terminals. I also replaced the bearings and seals etc at the same time. Thanks again for your film and I wish you well, look forward to your future content.
Thanks, Carl, for your detailed response and invitation to view your channel - which I have done. Yours is the second comment recommending the capacitor mod for the suds pump. I shall certainly look into this. You have a nice workshop - very clean and well equipped. I look forward to seeing your progress on the Harrison mill. Clive.
Brilliant stuff I have exactly the same machine that i acquired just last week and i am going through an identical process in the same stages! I don't suppose you could share which make and model of VFD you are using please as I've had very different advice from suppliers. Thanks
Glad to hear someone else is undertaking the same project! I purchased one of the basic generic VFDs which I have used before in different sizes on my 3HP lathe and my .75HP shaper. For both the mill and lathe I went for the 2.2kW version and for the shaper .55kW. I am not an electrician but it seemed to me that the heavily constructed 2HP (1.5kW) motor on the mill may require the next size up of VFD. I had previously briefly tested this motor on my .55kW VFD and while the motor started and ran at low speeds but I could tell that the VFD was struggling at higher speeds even with no load. So, I decided to go up one size to the 2.2kW (3HP) version. The disadvantage of going for a higher power VFD could be that the overload protection won't be correctly rated for the motor. I have had no problems using these VFDs with any of my three machines. With the mill I did take extra care to earth the motor and the machine body and use the existing conduit paths. If you write to me on my email I can send you the exact details of the VFD, but I can tell you here that I paid £58 for mine. Hope this helps.
Another interesting project...looking forward to the next stage. Just a thought....your suds pump....could you not use the delta configuration with a capacitor to offset for the extra phase. I did this with my student and it works great. after all the load will be relatively light and consistent. a VFD would be overkill really. Like I said....just a thought. Best wishes and good luck
Thanks for your feedback, Philip. This is an excellent idea! When I get time I will look into this. That would be a neat solution especially since there is plenty of space in the wiring cabinet next to the pump.
On the l/h end of the x-axis lead screw, is there a nut? Mine has a 15/16" nut fitted and it is seized. I'd be interested to know if you have removed yours and the handedness of the nut. Thanks.
I have checked and confirm that on my machine it is a right hand thread. I can supply a photo if you would like to contact me on my e.mail workshopfriend@gmail.com
How did you get the center pulley mechanism out. I am having a very difficult time loosening the 4 bolts that hold the vertical column onto the floor unit. Any suggestions ? Thanks and thank you for the videos. Bill.
Hello Bill. I don't remember any particular difficulty removing the pulley countershaft. On my machine (1A) it comes out from the rear as an assembly with the large mounting flange. There is no need to disturb the bearings. As for the large mounting bolts; I remembered that mine were tight but not overly. I assume that, like mine, yours are not corroded but covered in oil. Is the problem just that they are tight or getting enough access to them? Hope this helps.
@@Workshopfriend I am pretty sure that the pulleys were larger than the hole for the flange mount. Will take another look. Don't think the bolts are corroded, just very tight and I can get enough leverage on the two closest to the side door. One is by the electrical conduit and coolant hose (right hand side).
2:28 you mention the through hole appearing to be a mistake. It's not. Mine is exactly the same. Oil drips down (from the oil grooves) through the holes and onto the y-axis slideway.
Thanks for your comment. I wonder if we have the same model. Mine is a 1A. Could yours be a 1ES? I just checked the underside of the casting I can confirm that that hole is in mid air; there is nothing underneath except the swarf tray. There is, however, another feedhole from an oil channel onto the y-axis slideway. Just checked out your channel and noted that you were using a 1ES which has improved y-axis dovetail slide and perhaps a different oil feed.
Hello Dan. I assume you meant VFD? Mine is a 2HP motor but I used a 2.2kW (3HP) basic VFD as commonly seen on eB*y etc. At the time it cost me about £58 Inc shipping. Hope this helps.
@@Workshopfriend hi Thanks for getting back to me , I watch all your videos and love your work ! I have the same set up Cholchester student , Adcock Dhipley mill the mill I was going to change the motor to single phase but seeing the Vfd you use that is definitely the way forward , it’s just there is so many types , thanks for the info would it be possible to get the make and model you use ? I appreciate your help thanks Dan
Hello Dan. The VDF I have on my mill, Colchester lathe, and shaper are .75kW and 2.2kW Chinese models which seem to be all of one generic design. You need single to 3-phase 220V. I just looked online for 2.2kW inverters and a whole list of them came up at the cheaper end of the range from £59.89-£94 all without a brand name. I didn't go for the absolute cheapest. You can see the body shape from the videos. I have more expensive VFDs on my smaller lathe and pillar drill so I expect them to last longer but so far none of mine have failed.
That's a very nice machine. And in good condition.
I'm sure you will have a lot of fun running it.
Thanks, Michel, for your comment. Yes, I look forward to using it, and learning how to! Clive.
Just found your channel, for the shaper content (owning a 10 M) and recognised the A&S in the background. I have a model O, with the universal head, which like yours is incredibly rigid/heavy for it's size.
You have great taste in machine tools and I look forward to watching your back catalogue
Thanks, Paul. There seems to be quite a few 10M shapers out there. Glad there is something here of interest to you.
Beautiful machine, A&S built quality machines in those days. They had a factory a few miles from me in Bridlington where they built Bridgeports under licence.
Really enjoyed the video!
Phil
Glad you enjoyed the video, Phil. I remember when I was a young apprentice and my weekly train journey from the Midlands down to the Southwest used to take me past the yards of a few famous manufacturers. Sadly most of those workshops are now closed. I wonder what it would take to bring some manufacturing back here?
A very pleasant watch. Quite a complex and robust machine. I took a similar approach with my Harrison, going round everything once to clean and assess and repair only where essential to get it operational. I've still a new table nut to make and I'm just about to start editing a video sorting out the vertical head oil leaks. Cheers
Thank you, Paul, for your comments. Yes, I watched some of your Harrison milling machine videos. It seems your machine has much greater height over the table. Look forward to seeing how you get on with the table nut. Clive.
The quality of the Alcock & Shipley milling machine is apparent. Very interesting opening episode. I look forward to seeing further progress. 👏👏👍😀
Thanks for your feedback, Andrew. The next instalment is filmed - just needs editing.
9:32 you mention the bearings should be fed with grease, as per the handbook. I agree. Strangely, mine was fitted with the original (?) 1 shot oiler which feed oil to these bearings.
I haven't see the one-shot oiler. Would be a handy addition!
Beautiful machine- looking forward to future updates
. I have a 1940s vintage Van Norman 12 that is probably roughly in the same class (perhaps slightly bigger). I'll begin restoring that one shortly and might youtube it.
I appreciate your feedback. I hope to be able to upload some more videos on a regular basis.
I looked up the Van Norman milling machine company on Lathes.co.uk to try to learn something about your machine. I notice that this popular website is looking for information including photographs of your machine! I look forward to seeing your series on You Tube.
I restored a 1955 Adcock & Shipley geared head pillar drill which is sitting proudly in my Brother's workshop, they certainly made quality machines.
Seems you undertook a similar project. I was struck by how heavy the base is as an iron casting rather than a steel fabrication. Interesting, I wasn't aware they made pillar drill and I can't find any mention of one on the Lathes.co.uk website.
I could never find any info on it either.
Table cranks up and down on large dovetails.
Gearbox is pressure fed with oil pump.
Morse taper no 3.
Auto power feed.
Has the same start and stop buttons as your mill.
If you move the gearbox lever whilst running it stops, good feature to protect the gearbox.
Weighs about 500 kilos.
Quill OD slides in adjustable bronze bearings.
Sounds like a serious drill!
I have an Elgin mill that is a little smaller than yours and it is very handy. Be watching for further developments.
Thanks for your feedback. I looked up the Elgin mill. Looks like a high quality machine.
Have you got a manual for the mill ? the reason I mention it is that my BCA jig borer was full of solidified grease when I bought it. I cleaned out all the passages during the rebuild and then used slideway oil. But when I got my hands on the BCA manual it specifies grease for 90% of the lubrication. I thought it might be a special grade of grease that's much more liquid than what I'm used to, but no, it's just a light grease. Maybe it's because these machines were used in industry where they wouldn't spend a long time sitting unused and would also get regular maintenance ( you'd hope, anyway ) ?
I made the decision to keep using oil, I can't see it making much difference.
Thanks for your comments and question. I don't have the handbook but the lubrication chart on the machine specifies Mobilux #2 or Shell Alvania #2 for the ball bearings and oil for the gears and bearings. I got the modern grease equivalent which seems comparatively light. Yes, I also wondered what difference it would make!
Excellent work. That is a very nice machine indeed. I have subscribed to you and I am looking forward to discovering your other films. Your Adcock and Shipley is not unlike my Harrison Mill. I have had similar problems with grease "infestation" caused by the attentions of well meaning yet ultimately misguided previous owners. I have had to undertake a very thorough restoration on my mill as it was in a parlous condition when I got it. I also have a youtube channel and I have made several films detailing the restoration work done on my mill so far, as well as other workshop related topics. I'd like to take this opportunity to invite you to look them over, I hope you will find something of interest. I certainly have in yours.
Excellent work with the VFD. With regard to the coolant pump I would rewire it to delta for 240v operation and use a capacitor across two of the phases - a Steinmetz connection - to get it going. I have had to convert all three motors on my machine, the main drive, the feed motor and the suds pump to delta. I had to do this by stripping them and rewiring the stators as none of them had the luxury of an external junction box with the windings brought out to terminals. I also replaced the bearings and seals etc at the same time.
Thanks again for your film and I wish you well, look forward to your future content.
Thanks, Carl, for your detailed response and invitation to view your channel - which I have done. Yours is the second comment recommending the capacitor mod for the suds pump. I shall certainly look into this.
You have a nice workshop - very clean and well equipped. I look forward to seeing your progress on the Harrison mill. Clive.
@@Workshopfriend Thank you Clive much appreciated.
Brilliant stuff I have exactly the same machine that i acquired just last week and i am going through an identical process in the same stages! I don't suppose you could share which make and model of VFD you are using please as I've had very different advice from suppliers. Thanks
Glad to hear someone else is undertaking the same project! I purchased one of the basic generic VFDs which I have used before in different sizes on my 3HP lathe and my .75HP shaper. For both the mill and lathe I went for the 2.2kW version and for the shaper .55kW. I am not an electrician but it seemed to me that the heavily constructed 2HP (1.5kW) motor on the mill may require the next size up of VFD. I had previously briefly tested this motor on my .55kW VFD and while the motor started and ran at low speeds but I could tell that the VFD was struggling at higher speeds even with no load. So, I decided to go up one size to the 2.2kW (3HP) version. The disadvantage of going for a higher power VFD could be that the overload protection won't be correctly rated for the motor.
I have had no problems using these VFDs with any of my three machines. With the mill I did take extra care to earth the motor and the machine body and use the existing conduit paths.
If you write to me on my email I can send you the exact details of the VFD, but I can tell you here that I paid £58 for mine. Hope this helps.
Brilliant just what I needed to hear. Thanks. Where can I find your email address?
workshopfriend@gmail.com
Another interesting project...looking forward to the next stage. Just a thought....your suds pump....could you not use the delta configuration with a capacitor to offset for the extra phase. I did this with my student and it works great. after all the load will be relatively light and consistent. a VFD would be overkill really. Like I said....just a thought.
Best wishes and good luck
Thanks for your feedback, Philip. This is an excellent idea! When I get time I will look into this. That would be a neat solution especially since there is plenty of space in the wiring cabinet next to the pump.
On the l/h end of the x-axis lead screw, is there a nut? Mine has a 15/16" nut fitted and it is seized. I'd be interested to know if you have removed yours and the handedness of the nut. Thanks.
I have checked and confirm that on my machine it is a right hand thread. I can supply a photo if you would like to contact me on my e.mail workshopfriend@gmail.com
How did you get the center pulley mechanism out. I am having a very difficult time loosening the 4 bolts that hold the vertical column onto the floor unit. Any suggestions ? Thanks and thank you for the videos. Bill.
Hello Bill. I don't remember any particular difficulty removing the pulley countershaft. On my machine (1A) it comes out from the rear as an assembly with the large mounting flange. There is no need to disturb the bearings. As for the large mounting bolts; I remembered that mine were tight but not overly. I assume that, like mine, yours are not corroded but covered in oil. Is the problem just that they are tight or getting enough access to them? Hope this helps.
@@Workshopfriend I am pretty sure that the pulleys were larger than the hole for the flange mount. Will take another look. Don't think the bolts are corroded, just very tight and I can get enough leverage on the two closest to the side door. One is by the electrical conduit and coolant hose (right hand side).
2:28 you mention the through hole appearing to be a mistake. It's not. Mine is exactly the same. Oil drips down (from the oil grooves) through the holes and onto the y-axis slideway.
Thanks for your comment. I wonder if we have the same model. Mine is a 1A. Could yours be a 1ES? I just checked the underside of the casting I can confirm that that hole is in mid air; there is nothing underneath except the swarf tray. There is, however, another feedhole from an oil channel onto the y-axis slideway.
Just checked out your channel and noted that you were using a 1ES which has improved y-axis dovetail slide and perhaps a different oil feed.
Hi I own the same mill what vid did you use ? Many thanks Dan
Hello Dan. I assume you meant VFD? Mine is a 2HP motor but I used a 2.2kW (3HP) basic VFD as commonly seen on eB*y etc. At the time it cost me about £58 Inc shipping. Hope this helps.
@@Workshopfriend hi Thanks for getting back to me , I watch all your videos and love your work ! I have the same set up Cholchester student , Adcock Dhipley mill the mill I was going to change the motor to single phase but seeing the Vfd you use that is definitely the way forward , it’s just there is so many types , thanks for the info would it be possible to get the make and model you use ? I appreciate your help thanks Dan
Hello Dan. The VDF I have on my mill, Colchester lathe, and shaper are .75kW and 2.2kW Chinese models which seem to be all of one generic design. You need single to 3-phase 220V. I just looked online for 2.2kW inverters and a whole list of them came up at the cheaper end of the range from £59.89-£94 all without a brand name. I didn't go for the absolute cheapest. You can see the body shape from the videos.
I have more expensive VFDs on my smaller lathe and pillar drill so I expect them to last longer but so far none of mine have failed.
@@Workshopfriend thanks
Hi
Do you know where I can get a manual for the 1ESG?
I would try the manuals section of lathes.co.uk
It may have a brass plug that has fallen out of that oil passage don't think it would have passed inspection otherwise.
It is possible, I suppose. I was surprised that such an error could be made.
can't stand this annoying interrupting background noise, awefull, so distracting
Not sure if you are referring to the music, the birds nesting in the eaves, the times I forgot to turn off the radio, or all three(?)