MSFS 2020 - Why better FPS has nothing to do with your Graphic Settings. FPS are 90% affected by ...
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Here is a UA-cam Video where Alex is explaining where you get the FPS Ingame Counter and how you set it up:
• How To Setup MSI After...
My Specs:
RTX 3080
I9 10900K
32 GB DDR4 RAM
Step by Step Tutorial to get the best Graphic for your specific System, just watch this vid: • MSFS 2020 - How to adj...
I hope this Video helps you a little bit for more Performance.
Please leave a Like and a Abo here, that would be fantastic. - Ігри
If you want to get the Maximum out of your own System, just watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/HL0g5QK1yMA/v-deo.html
You have a big problem the gpu should be at léast in 80%
@@CANASPORRAS24 i agree with you...
Honestly, it has been pointed out by UA-cam videographers for at least two years already that if one is having trouble with frame rates, it's necessary to reduce "traffic" of all kinds -- airborne and ground -- to minimal. However, this is a very good demonstration of the distinct difference between traffic reduction and rendering reduction, and it's really the only one I've seen that provides the before-and-after comparison. It brings this point home to those of us who have not seen earlier videos on the subject. Thanks for that!
Absolutely!!!
been that way for every Genre of FS ever!
WTF, i have 2 Channels on UA-cam and i wasn´t on this channel for 2 Days. 40 Comments, 430 Likes, over 100 Abos. You are amazing!!!!! I am so impressed, thanks a lot!!!!!!
Keep bringing the good content! ^ ^
Thanks for the help. This came in my recommendations. I'd be searching for the graphics setting impacts all over the internet and almost all of them were little to not very useful. On the contrary, this helped quite a lot!
I became a commercial radio broadcaster and voiceover talent and commercial producer in 1983. Believe me when I tell you that you have absolutely no concerns whatsoever about how effective your English is. It is absolutely effective. You are a fluently bilingual UA-camr. Trust that. The most important thing, is that your speech is very thoughtful and nothing can replace that in any language. Well done.
Wow, thx for that comment. Thats so nice.
I agree, your English is very clear, understandable and correct. There is nothing in the way for you to run a successful english channel. Sauba, sog i, und alles gute...!
Yes, your English is good enough to not be a distraction. Only thing is you said gibabit RAM when you meant gigabyte.
Thank you so much! I was able to jump to 40-50 fps after tuning the traffic settings and now it's so much more better!
This is huge! Thank you so much. I fly into NYC regularly in MSFS and I frequently get this issue on arrival but not departures. Couldn’t figure it out. You’re amazing!
Thank you very much for this video. It's been an absolute gamechanger for me. The demand on both my CPU and GPU has drastically reduced, this is after upping my settings with many now on ultra. Most importantly the stutters and micro stutter's have been virtually eliminated. This has really made my day and really enhanced the immersion. Cheers and thanks again.
This was a total game changer for me. I've been trying to figure this out for 2 years, and you just solved it for me. I gained more FPS from this than I did jumping from a Radeon 6800XT to a 7900XTX. 🙏
Literally, I have a 3800X3D and 3080Ti and have been struggling with frames forever, this just fixed it
Another thing you can try since you're using AMD GPU. Notice the game gives extra settings for Nvidia users to upscale images. AMD has this too, but it's in their Adrenaline software, not an in-game setting.
If you're using a 4k monitor, turn on your Radeon Super Resolution in the gaming tab of Adrenaline for MSFS, select the highest lower setting from the drop down, then match that resolution in game and save. The software will upscale the game to 4k from that lower resolution, and you'll get a HUGE performance boost. I was playing at around 25fps in 4K resolution on my 6900XT. After turning on Super Resolution, I'm now 50fps with 4k upscaling, and the game looks the same.
@@skydriver5709 thanks for the tip! I’m going to give this a try. The combination of this and the reduced traffic should be promising indeed.
Thank you very much for this. Going to check it out the next time I play the sim. Seems to make a lot of sense. Also, your English was just fine. Thanks for going through the trouble as well.
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This helped me out so much, thank you for this video..! Everything works well and looks awesome..!!!!
You did an awesome job of this, well done mate. Keep up the good work. William.
Excellent video and solid methodology to your testing. Thanks for creating and sharing. Your English is fine, keep it up mate.
Great video, your English is better than my German, so don't even worry about that. You speak wonderfully and I understand everything you said.
Great video, I have subscribed
Great work, very well worked out and demonstrated
Well done really it makes big time difference. Thanks
Really good info. Have to try it. I need some more ram for sure but I bet this will help too.
Thank you for a very informative and nice video. Subscribed 😀
DX12 also is known for having low performance on MFSF, switching to DX11 should give a boost in stability and performance
Yeah I have total game crashes on dx12 but it's because I have s 3070 8gbvram and it's gets full and then you can have crashes, i believe if you have s bigger vram lets say 16gm maybe dx12 should be better.
DX12 is pretty crappy in this game. The problem is that in DX11 you can't enable DLSS 3 on Nvidia's 4000 generation GPUs. Vulkan API in this game would be a dream, but unfortunately it will never happen at least not officially.
@@oguilhermebr That is a fact I didn't consider, good point. Guess one can't have everything 😅
I noticed that too and that is his biggest problem for FPS.
Many Thanks for this, Much Appreciated😎 !!
Well done thank you will definitely follow/support
That was really interesting. Thank you. I have subscribed to you.
tl;dw: 5:00 - The problem is MSFS default traffic objects. Reduce maximum rendered vehicles, workers, etc. He uses the following settings (though it probably doesn't have to be exact: Airport Vehicle Density 0, Ground Aircraft Density 0, Worker Density 12, Leisure Boats 5, Road Vehicles 13, Ships and Ferries 7, Fauna Density 11. 5:55: Use FSLTL for traffic instead of Microsoft. He uses 30, 5, 2, 60, 100, 50 for traffic injection settings (top to bottom.)
Awesome tip! Installing FSLTL now!
Well I'm off to try it. Thanks. I understood every word.
Thank you so much! Finally it work fine with your help!
Thanks for the video and congrats on your new English language channel, I have liked and subscribed, looking forward to your next videos 👍🏼
Aaand a thumbs up from me too. Super! I will check that out tonight. Danke vielmals
Gern geschehen, you are welcome. Thx, mate.
Great video man! Thank you!!
Great explanation, thanks for the explanation. I wish you a nice weekend in Miami, Florida I'm on vacation and at home
thanks for that, will try it out, also your English is awesome!
Thank you for the video.
Very helpful. Thank you.
Good job on the video and your English is absolutely fine. I will subscribe to your channel. Have a great day!!!
thank you much for your video and time to educated us.
Thanks, will give it a try. Great English, don't worry! I'm not a native speaker as well, but it was clear and easy for understanding even for me.
Thanks! Great advise!
Great video. Thank you
Thanks very much for this. I tried the Flybywire traffic and got a much better FPS than I had before. I have a 3080 card and I9 11900. Its quite a difference now and given my system a boost. You english is perfect by the way
Thank you mate!
@@autonormalverbraucher Why does my Series X console NEVER get low FPS or stuttering?? It's always perfect. On console I cannot change any graphics settings. Your reason is that you have all the special effects on like cars, boats, fauna, airport traffic, vehicles etc. I have all set to zero. I have multiplayer set to off and use real time Bing, metar, meteoblue and real live air traffic. I never use any 3rd party add ons. I only use Asobo code. No CTD's and I get 30FPS so smooth on an 86" 4K UHD TV which supports VRR if required. Problem with PC's is they still use extremely slow old DDR4 RAM. Series X uses only 100% GDDR6 for everything as CPU and GPU is system on a chip and share this very fast RAM. I also have fast internet of 100MB/sec which is stable 24/7.
@@theaustralianconundrum 30FPS is low, lol. Consoles are easy to code for because they are all exactly the same hardware. They actually reduced some graphics in the sim when it released on XBOX which annoyed a bunch of top end PC users.
I get over 60FPS without stuttering with everything set to high/ultra so clearly a good PC is better.
The argument for consoles is what you get for the price can not be beat. Very true.
@@neth77 They actually reduced some graphics in the sim when it released on XBOX which annoyed a bunch of top end PC users.
Sure they did. They dumbed down FS 2020 to run on a Series X console and ported that code for high end PC users. Simply untrue as you put it because I get over 60FPS without stuttering with everything set to high/ultra so clearly a good PC is better.
FS 2020 is unique in that it requires fast and stable internet. Most PC users have neither. Global average is a mere 50MB/sec. I run 100MB/sec.
The strange thing to me, is how the traffic amount doesn't seem to affect CPU usage much, but it still tanks the frame rates. That suggests some problems with how the game engine works with regards to simulating the different vehicles etc. It's a bit stupid that 3rd party mod developers have to resolve pretty serious issues that are caused by the game engine itself.
Hi, i wouldn´t say stupid 3rd Party Developers because they bring the Sim to the next level. Funny is that the Stock Traffic is more stressing the system than the 3rd Party Mods ;)
@@autonormalverbraucher You misunderstand. I wasn't saying that 3rd party developers are stupid. I'm saying it's stupid, that Microsoft made the game engine so bad, that players have to rely on 3rd party mods to make the game playable.
It depends on how this is coded. If there are messages, locks, waits, sleeps, threads spawning, copies, … you can get low cpu usage with very little work being done. Sometimes having low cpu usage is good, sometimes it is bad. Performance is a hard problem.
Thanks! I think this may also be true for past flight simulators.
Nice English and good video with worthwhile tips, thanks
Thanks for that! was what was slowing my mid range PC thanks again
Nice to hear i could help a little bit. Thats why i make tose vids. Thx for your comment.
Great video and very informative. Learnt lots of stuff. My friend bought rtx 4090 yesterday and I tell you what I was impressed the performance was amazing
Not everyone can afford this card but at some point down the line when this card gets cheaper lots of people will buy it and solve their problems once and fora all. The future for flight swimming is great.😊
Flight swimming really is great
It's worth noting that low CPU and GPU saturation does not necessarily mean that the problem doesn't lie with CPU or GPU utilisation. It could very well be that the software does not utilise the resources available in an optimal way, causing low CPU and GPU usage but crappy performance.
Here is a little idea as to how MSFS2020 utilises your Hardware:
CPU: It uses the CPU to simulate real-world physics, calculate complex flight dynamics, and generate and process a vast amount of data in real-time.
GPU: MSFS 2020 is a visually stunning game that heavily utilizes the GPU to render high-quality graphics and textures. The game uses advanced rendering techniques such as volumetric clouds, real-time lighting, and reflections to create a realistic world.
RAM: The game uses RAM to store and process data in real-time, including terrain data, textures, and flight dynamics.
Storage: The game streams data continuously, so having a fast and reliable storage device such as an SSD can significantly improve loading times and overall performance.
So as you see its all about balance my friend
With a 13900k and 4090 64 gb ddr5 ram you still get stutters. Just tried it. I think allot of UA-cam vids have tricked people into believing you can put everything on ultra and have 200 fps in order to help the markets or they are sponsored.
@@alexsp7086 Hi Alex, would you say for what you get upgrading from lets say my rig which is a 3090 I9 10900k and 48gb ram would be worth it? I specifically play in VR, just putting that in.
@@123thedman1 Maybe I did not do all that special stuff but I just installed everything and just left it as is. ok I enabled the xmp in bios for the ram.
I was expecting in my naivety that I would get butter smooth sims on ultra all around but no. Honestly it’s a good upgrade but from your rig it’s not going to be mind blowing. I had an i7 9700k 3080ti and 64gb ram before the upgrade and it was s also good practically the same to be honest :)). But the new rig does not stress so much maybe like the last one.
Yeah in my old PC (pre-built with crappy Software pre-installed) there was a "gaming booster" app which suddenly reduced the allowed usage of GPU and cpu in certain games and it took me forever to figure out wtf is going on. Back then I didn't know much about PCs 😂
What are all the add-ons you were using in the drop down list ? I know gsx was one of them. Was there 2 more ?
Thanks a lot will try it out...reinstalling MSFS now
Thank you 4 the video and to speak English.Although im Hungarian im still love listening other languages speking English
Your English is very good. Thank you for the content.
Thank you!!! What is the application you have running that is measuring frame rate, CPU, GPU and memory?
Thanks. I have taken out the traffic from msfs. This has solved all issues I had. I was about to give up with the sim and continue with x plane 11. My interest has been rekindled. Again thank you.
i'm running a ryzen 5 5600x, 32gigs 3200 ddr4, 2080 gtx. i was able to go from low setting to medium changing from a mechanical hard drive to an ssd drive. i made the change when a friend of mine and i were playing a multiplayer game and i was waiting sometimes over a minute for loading while he was waiting for me just by having his game on an ssd drive
Thank you for this!!
Haven't tried yet but thank you so much for making videos like this! I am running msfs2020 on a laptop with GTX1660ti. It's just playable but with a really bad gaming experience. Anyways, definitely going to try your way later. Thnaks!
Thanks for this.
thanks man! now i can finally fly over new york with my rtx 1660 ti without any lag!
On ze ground😂
Got to love the accent. Great vid
Nice video !!!
Brilliant👍
This has been my trick for running old outdated equipment for generations. An easy fix, but sadly not realistic. Asset reduction. Getting my 20-30 fps however I can and trying to maintain it. But this is a good benchmark test you did and very much better than most. I tell my friend all the time, if you can run JFK at night in a t-storm with some traffic…and get 20-30 fps, you have a good setup if running 2 or 4k.
Just tested this on my 7950-X3D / 4090 / 64GB system with hardwired gibabit internet and all traffic on 0 was the same fps as all traffic maxed out. 90-106fps on all Ultra settings with 3K video and TLOD on 200 over London with the new update. So, your video was useful to be as I learned that I can max out all traffic without any impact on fps - so I did. I then put AutoFPS back on and set it to 72fps. It will scale TLOD up or down to stay at 72fps.
Your English is fine! Keep up the good work.
Wow your video quality is amazing
Your English is very good. What you describe I found out from day 1 in MSFS when it came out. I had a GTX1080 TI and abysmal FPS. The first thing I did was to turn off parked aircraft, airport traffic and almost anything that moved. And hey, 35 to 40 fps on a good day. Now I have a RTX 3070 TI with the same relatively high settings and 60 fps. The graphics card and CPU will determine where you can end up with your frame rate towards the top. Badly programmed AI traffic will destroy your frames. FSTL is freeware. JustFlight has just released Traffic Global and claims they are even better with their models. I have not bought it yet. Using VATSIM or IVAO etc can lower your fps on a busy day. But if you make sure that you do not use any of the MSFS models, you should be fine. Good stuff, thanks that you point this out so specifically. Often this hides in videos about general settings (I did that too) and the importance of dynamic traffic is not realized out there.
Thx for your comment. I am blown away how different the comments are here compared to the geman youtube community.
Thanks mate 🎉
Thank you so much!! I doubled my fps!!
Thank you for this video, it is very well done.
However, my question is to do with type of aircraft - I do have FSLTL but I only the the Base Option for VATSIM Model Matching. I did not use the Injector Option because it seems to only provide Flight Radar airline traffic. I only fly VFR GA aircraft, sometimes in IFR as well. FSLTL does not seem to be able to inject GA type aircraft.
Do you have a video that would help the FPS problem but not based on airline flying?
Perfect thanks. Your English is better than my German
Thank you for the interesting video
Recently discovered that Nvidia experience with its game overlay you can indicate in the settings that you can always see the fps.
In MSFS you can of course also show the fps.
Do you have an explanation why Nvidia's fps is almost double MSFS?
Which gives the correct frame rate?
Hallo Starbug... interessantes video welchen einfachen fps zähler wendest du an
HI ,
I like the reduced performance window you use.
what is this software?
Thanks i understood you. Thanks again
Your English is excellent! Very interesting observations! Must you have the gsx or the other 3rd party traffic program you mentioned from the airbus?
I run with GSXPro and FSLTL
this boosted my fps by about 10 from 20 to 30 and i have my graphics at high-end and not ultra.. i have a nvidia geforce rtx 2060 super. is 30 the best i am able to do? i see people getting in the 40s and 50s. wondering how i can get that.
Thank you
Brilliant! Now I can use Ooltra setting again ;-) Danke
Just a small suggestion for these two videos: Include a description that outlines what the outcome/conclusion is.
Alternatively a conclusion section with a timestamp, so we can check if its the same thing we've already done.
Save us watching through an hour to try and find all the setting sections when we've already tweaked with and without traffic turned on, but just came to the video because were curious if it was about something else.
I have the same problem with rtx 3070 and ryzen 9 .is the real traffic the problem; and i only on big airports for example in Germany or usa
Vielen Dank und Willkommen !
I think the general consensus idea is that if the settings are low then, the hardware should be rendering/computing these lower settings and therefore it should be high fps
do you think I can run the game with Victus 15 laptop which has amd ryzen 5 5600H and amd radeon rx 6500m and 16gb ssd? I think.
Thank you so much for this video, I have been struggling with this for the past year but never thought that traffic would have such a huge affect. I upgraded my vid card last year to a 4070ti because my old gpu was the obvious problem, yet FPS did not improve and CPU / GPU usage is low like 20%. I have an 11900k with 32 gigs of 3600 ram and the game was never maxing out a single core, highest 1 core would go up to is 50%. The game seems to have some major problem with AI, switch to online traffic helps but shutting of traffic and AI generated things makes a huge difference. It's really unfortunate that 3.5 yrs and the game still can't efficiently use cpu cores to generate AI traffic, maybe they think most people will play online ?
What takes more fps...real life world traffic or ai traffic set at 100?
Greatings from France
I appreciate the info I will try that I get about 30 frame rates right now but I'd like to improve up to 40 I've seen it before like that on different settings but I will keep trying thank you very much
I have a i5 7500, gtx 1650 and 24gb of ram. on the 1280x720 resolution, i have barely 20 fps, while other guys with same specs as me get almost 60 in the same scenario. idk what is happening and it makes me wanna reset my whole pc/ buy a new one
Super Channel! Dabei bleiben!!! Ganz wichtig! Das ist richtig Arbeit mit dem Sprechen in englisch, das weiß aber Übung macht den Meister und einfach weiter und weiter und weiter. Ich finds richtig cool! Mach dir dabei nur nicht allzuviel Druck alles "perfekt" zu machen. Ich habe mir da auf meinem Kanal auch ne Menge Druck gemacht. LG Lars
Ps. Mit welchem Programm nimmst du auf und recordest gleichzeitig deine Stimme?
Hey lars, danke für die netten Worte. aufgeben gibt’s sowieso nicht. Ich nehme normalerweise mit OBS auf, im FS nutze ich aber auch manchmal GeForce Experience da das nicht auf die Leistung geht.Wenn ich die Cam an habe ist OBS, wenn du mich nur hörst dann Geforce Exp.
Could the issue be your internet speed? I would get over 150 fps with your settings.
On Series X in photogrammetry I get 30FPS min. In terrain and in flight etc I get 60FPS @ 4K as well.
what kind of software have you used to see performance over the fs2020 ? thx
If you mean the on screen display, he's using Riva Tuner (comes bundled with MSI afterburner)
Fascinating! I shall try this. Thanks for your hard work. What is the Performance monitor you used?
Its included in MSI Afterburner. You find it there in the Riva Tuner. There are many videos on UA-cam about it.
@@autonormalverbraucher Thank you. Your English is perfectly easy to understand, by the way. Thanks again.
There is no question that ground traffic has a big impact.
I put the hurt on my PC. Fly the Fenix a320, almost all the time. Only fly to 3rd party custom airports. Mostly larger airports as I fly for Delta in A Pilots Life 2. So yeah….I can relate to low frame rates. Ive found two things to help….significantly. First, is the lossless scaler, which I only use for the frame generation (much easier and smoother than frame generation via gpu). Secondly, the Auto FPS (dynamic level of detail) app. Which lowers level of detail settings as you descend.
thank you
I think it has to do with the MSFS servers. My cable company throttles the bandwidth to MSFS servers and I get a lot of stuttering and low framerates. If I connect to my VPN and POOF almost all of those issues disappear.
You mean they throttle access to azure ? As that's what mags uses for streaming world data. Damn man I would complain.
@@WnDTech I have set up a one terabyte rolling cache file on a different drive I installed MSFS on. It has largely solved a lot of those issues. When I monitor how much data MSFS is using now it barely is using anything at all.
@@CRAZYHORSE19682003 that's crazy, and unrealistic for most people to achieve. I heard that a cache size if 8Gb is all that's required for optimal performance. Glad the 1tb worked for you
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Thanks for the video, but it would be really helpful if we knew what your system specs were in the about section so we can kind of give a relative idea what kind of performance we should have based upon our systems.
Chas
Thx for the comment, i wrote the specs into the Description.
GUYS Its helped me alot setting this video config to ULTRA but the best option which helped me it was changing DX11 to DX12. DX12 its performanced for me now so much better than DX11
I always love me a German with a very strong accent like me while talking English 😂❤
Und danke dir für die Tipps.
what is that frame counter you are using?
I'm sure it's just a default one from Nvidia 😊
Спасибо большое, ты гений!)