I know frig all about race engines, fastest vehicle I ever had was my LBZ, it was fast 550hp 1000ft tq, but I do wanna build a 600 hp car, and this channel is priceless, thanks Steve for making them for us dummies. Cheers from Chestermere.
You were talking about not having .300” before coil bind due to surge, I’d say cam loft would be bad as well, with .300” before bind. From what you’ve taught us. I’m no engine builder, just an assembler though.
I’ve heard some builders say that they’ve taken the center spring out of a triple spring and valve control was very similar because supposedly most of the spring pressure the third spring makes goes into controlling it’s own weight.
Thank you for sharing your great wonderful knowledge! Always looking forward to seeing next video’s. Man do I have great trouble with finding a good Machinest in the pnw found one the other day I was explaining bearing saddles he thought I was crazy!
hey steve thanks for your videos! one thing im wondering is the relation between cylinder pressure and valvetrain stress? ive been binging on videos the past few months and most videos seems to focus on effects of high rpm
There are effects such as you need a stronger exhaust valve because of cylinder pressure. Intake is opening on minimal pressure, exhaust is opening on lots of pressure. What I've found interesting is the dwell time vs stress. It takes better parts and better engineering to control the parts at a higher RPM, but since the dwell time is shorter they can actually live longer under higher pressures than a low RPM build. It was kinda mind blowing to find out that you can chuck a ton of boost onto the pistons and rods at 5000rpm, but that same torque output at 2500 rpm would start bending rods since the stresses are the similar, but last twice as long.
A quality spring will have a designed set height after break-in. Considering 100 times is a few seconds at idle for a spring, I'd guess it would still look new. Test it, install it, run it 1000 miles, and then test it again. That would actually tell you how it's going to last.
@@leftyeh6495 Way back in the day I was told by several engine builders that running new springs to bind a hundred times or more would extend their lives. One built 327ci SBC's for drag racing that turned 13,000 rpm. Spring failure was a big problem no matter what springs he used until he started running new springs to bind 100 times. He also was able to ID springs prone to failure as bad once drifted out of spec. Another built German Ford V6's for endurance road racing. He had cam and spring failures and was pulling his hair out until he started running new springs to bind before use. Reason I posted the previous is it would be interesting to see if either of the two spring types would drift out of spec if run to bind a bunch of times.
Steve why do you have two channels? Steve Morris Engines and then Engine Builder. It's very confusing! I think it's a new video and start watching only to find out it's a rerun from Engine Builder.
Guys like me that didn't know engine builder was Steve's channel. I found Steve because of Cleetus and Tom Bailey, and I'd heard the name a few times in Roadkill/Hot Rod stuff. He's kinda getting to the point his name is what sells, because he's built one hell of a reputation behind it. Engine builder I would ignore as it sounds like a shadetree mechanic type channel, not really what I'm interested in or trying to learn about at this time.
Watching your channel and having seen your product in cars and everything some ppl had to go through to get issues fixed (that were your fuck-ups) I’d NEVER buy one of your engines because I’d always be thinking in the back of my mind, ‘l wonder what he forgot in mine qnd what’s wrong with it’. There always would UNDOUBTABLY be SOMETHING either forgotten entirely or overlooked or not engineered correctly and requires some after-care. I wouldn’t want that kinda worry with your high-priced engines. They are supposed to be piece of mind kind of engines. No such thing as piece of mind exists when running your engines. Only know you’d have to come back or have it shipped back to have to fix something you’ve fucked up or forgot. JMHO Never would buy it. Never.
This is great Steve! I am not an engineer so explaining what's happening in layman's terminology is a blessing. Thanks.
You are simple and effective in your teaching! Great job. Not many people left out there, like you. Much appreciated.
Steve your a god, the way you break all this down for us simple minded people is honestly amazing. Keep up the great work bro
Best spring explanation I've ever heard!! THANKS FOR SHARING!
Excellent Steve! I've used beehive springs for 17 years. Per your recommendation, They have worked great.
I know frig all about race engines, fastest vehicle I ever had was my LBZ, it was fast 550hp 1000ft tq, but I do wanna build a 600 hp car, and this channel is priceless, thanks Steve for making them for us dummies. Cheers from Chestermere.
Hey Steve. Great explanation. Really straight forward. Keep going at it.
Excellent video. The term I was taught 40 years ago was spring oscillation. Thanks for the info.
Hey Steve, just loving your tech videos, wish I could afford one of your engines, keep up the great work and peace.
Great explanation of pros and cons of these various types of springs :)
You were talking about not having .300” before coil bind due to surge, I’d say cam loft would be bad as well, with .300” before bind. From what you’ve taught us. I’m no engine builder, just an assembler though.
Another great video. I love the deep dive into the technical side of things. Thanks for sharing
Excellent explanation. Very cool of you to share your experience and knowledge. You are one awesome dude!
Wow how well explained ...You are a treasure trove of experienced information Steve so thank you for sharing
I’ve heard some builders say that they’ve taken the center spring out of a triple spring and valve control was very similar because supposedly most of the spring pressure the third spring makes goes into controlling it’s own weight.
Awesome teaching THANKZ DantheMan
Excellent info Steve. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for sharing your great wonderful knowledge! Always looking forward to seeing next video’s. Man do I have great trouble with finding a good Machinest in the pnw found one the other day I was explaining bearing saddles he thought I was crazy!
I agree running close to coil bind is a good idea.
Thanks Steve , great practical information as always , and it's free !!!!!
104👍's up Steve Morris thanks again for talking the time for us all
Such great info and learned alot,,,thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.
Love your videos man! Awesome info source from an awesome engine builder!
I would love to see a pros and cons of Procharger vs Turbo. power vs reliability, ect.
hey steve thanks for your videos! one thing im wondering is the relation between cylinder pressure and valvetrain stress? ive been binging on videos the past few months and most videos seems to focus on effects of high rpm
There are effects such as you need a stronger exhaust valve because of cylinder pressure. Intake is opening on minimal pressure, exhaust is opening on lots of pressure.
What I've found interesting is the dwell time vs stress. It takes better parts and better engineering to control the parts at a higher RPM, but since the dwell time is shorter they can actually live longer under higher pressures than a low RPM build. It was kinda mind blowing to find out that you can chuck a ton of boost onto the pistons and rods at 5000rpm, but that same torque output at 2500 rpm would start bending rods since the stresses are the similar, but last twice as long.
Steve: are you an advocate of the laborious task of "dressing" the ends of the spring coils??
Resonance is the killer. Have you tried conical/tapered springs to further reduce vibration?
Thanks. Well Done!
Beehives are where its at.
Conicals even.
@@gregsyn1 beehives and conicals have totally different purposes.
Love to have a go at building my own ls, but I think its way more complicated than I first thought.
Really great stuff!! Keep it coming!! Please!
Who makes the double spring?
morning steve good stuff
Excellent vedio
Mr Morris what would you consider the best POWER ADDER TURBOS vs PRO CHARGER vs WHIPPLE or?
Do hydraulic vs sold lifter’s have any influence or correlation to surging?
Steve how about Beehive springs are they better than the standard spring and are they good for high lift cams
Can you use conical springs in the same application?
Is there a difference between running a 1.550 od spring or a 1.300 of spring if they have the same pressures??
Is this applicable to dohc bucket style valve system
What is the cost of this spring with titanium retainers?
I was always taught weight is a sign of reliability!!!
✝️🇺🇸👍 hope everyone is having a blessed day.
Thanks for the video
What do they look like after being run to bind 100 times?
A quality spring will have a designed set height after break-in. Considering 100 times is a few seconds at idle for a spring, I'd guess it would still look new. Test it, install it, run it 1000 miles, and then test it again. That would actually tell you how it's going to last.
@@leftyeh6495 Way back in the day I was told by several engine builders that running new springs to bind a hundred times or more would extend their lives. One built 327ci SBC's for drag racing that turned 13,000 rpm. Spring failure was a big problem no matter what springs he used until he started running new springs to bind 100 times. He also was able to ID springs prone to failure as bad once drifted out of spec. Another built German Ford V6's for endurance road racing. He had cam and spring failures and was pulling his hair out until he started running new springs to bind before use. Reason I posted the previous is it would be interesting to see if either of the two spring types would drift out of spec if run to bind a bunch of times.
I am tracking you
Wait isn’t this an old video?
Steve why do you have two channels? Steve Morris Engines and then Engine Builder. It's very confusing! I think it's a new video and start watching only to find out it's a rerun from Engine Builder.
Not everyone goes to engine builder.
Guys like me that didn't know engine builder was Steve's channel.
I found Steve because of Cleetus and Tom Bailey, and I'd heard the name a few times in Roadkill/Hot Rod stuff. He's kinda getting to the point his name is what sells, because he's built one hell of a reputation behind it.
Engine builder I would ignore as it sounds like a shadetree mechanic type channel, not really what I'm interested in or trying to learn about at this time.
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Watching your channel and having seen your product in cars and everything some ppl had to go through to get issues fixed (that were your fuck-ups) I’d NEVER buy one of your engines because I’d always be thinking in the back of my mind, ‘l wonder what he forgot in mine qnd what’s wrong with it’. There always would UNDOUBTABLY be SOMETHING either forgotten entirely or overlooked or not engineered correctly and requires some after-care. I wouldn’t want that kinda worry with your high-priced engines. They are supposed to be piece of mind kind of engines. No such thing as piece of mind exists when running your engines. Only know you’d have to come back or have it shipped back to have to fix something you’ve fucked up or forgot. JMHO Never would buy it. Never.