Slifer the Sky Dragon will always be meta if you believe in the heart of the cards, because you'll always draw that one card you needed in a pinch. Just make sure you're an anime protagonist.
I can't think of any reason someone would play Infinite Cards other then to benefit his opponent. Five cards in hand is more then enough for Slifer and if you are going for a OTK you don't need that card either. Is just useless
The one I saw was with fairies, you use "Tethys the Goddness of light" with "Reload" to draw insane amounts of cards. However even if do it with Underdog it's a OTK it still doesn't need 'Infinite Hand'
GamerCainey Speaking as a defender of the casual mindset, yeah that's pretty dumb I've never heard of anyone trying that. Granted the casual setting IS all about making the stupidest/funnest combos work (that or make a non-competitive deck archetype work), but I mean you actually want to optimize the combos if you can?That obviously isn't optimized like at all? That's not what causal players "do" really? Were aren't "in it to win it", if my over the top combo goes off maybe once in a blue moon that's fine no skin off my back, but again, we try and optimize those combos at least... (Besides, when everyone plays a jank/crummy deck they're pretty evenly matched LOL.)
Just a funny tidbit. I believe during the format with full-power Dragon Rulers and Divine Judgment Spellbooks, I built a Dragon Ruler deck on Dueling Network and put Infinite Cards in it (it was either 1 copy or 3). Not because I thought it was good (I knew it was a horrible card), but because I thought it would be funny to activate the card during your Main Phase (let's say you draw it off of Sacred Sword or something) and then draw a bunch of cards off of Super Rejuvenation during the End Phase while still being able to keep a massive hand. It essentially served no purpose, but I always laughed if I was able to pull it off because I could keep like 8-10 cards in my hand, haha. Mirrors were funny because they wouldn't get rid of Infinite Cards - they didn't want to discard during End Phase either. xD Infinite Cards is infinitely trash.
A really helpful tip that I got when I started getting back into Yugioh was that it doesn't really matter how good a combo is if you can rarely pull it off.
. . . my 1st deck coming back was dark synchro & every time I got combo I was able to do it after a short learning curve, so that isn't the same for everyone, but then again I played it on ygopro & the timer kept running out xP
I remember when i first started yugioh and made a sort of cyber angels deck. it also used 2 Paladin of white dragon, and 3 blue-eyes, and 2 relinquished. When i got blue eyes out it just died immediately because I had no follow up and was confused why it didn't work, and relinquished almost never came out because i had no means of searching for him. I started watching you and now i can win locals with my updated one, so thanks dzeeff!
This seems more like very beginner deck building 101, anyone who centers their deck around a 2 card only combo and that doesn't refuse to see why screams beginner. The videos of yours which helped me a lot were the pot of desires ones and why nobody plays ones. I've topped in shaddoll/ba/ kozmo and pepe format but have absolutely sucked after that cause I legit thought desires was a -9 and no one would explain why it wasn't and just ridiculed me. Thank you for your videos they have really helped me
michaelkeha Sure why bother playing something proven to top when you can spend far more time creating some new thing and working out every possible combo and interaction just to lose at every regional... Competitive players still have the ability to completely make up decks for locals or something, it's just usually not worth the time or effort to do that instead of playing and testing a deck they can actually top with
I'm a casual player. I like to play with my friends and boyfriend who just like to chill out and play YuGiOh together. I want to get better so I've been watching some videos like these online, and I think they're helping so thank you.
That was my awakening to the rules and how I became competitive. Dark worlds was my favorite archetype for ages. That and Cyber dragons. Now a days I just play semi casual and love some theme decks
Even in the anime where Infinite Cards was used with Slifer, it wasn't just those two cards. It also invovled some convolutedness involving using Revival Jam with Card of Safe Return to continue drawing cards every time it's destroyed. (And this combo does not work in the TCG)
Everyone who thinks its good basically goes "With this many cards in hand Slifers attack is huge and because of this card, it stays that way". They do not stop to think how they are going to get many cards in hand.
I’ve always seen myself as casually competitive. I tend to find decks that interest me then tinker and toy with recipes until I find the best competitive combos for the deck. Recently I built a good Dinomist build that got me 3rd and then 2nd at my locals.
As someone in the vast spectrum of competitive/casual, this video really had me thinking on my decks and their “spicy techs”.Would love a video of you explaining tempo to us. Thanks!
My dumbass thought he was showing us Surface because it was being misevaluated by casuals.... then I realized this is a Surface-level analysis discussion
I think a good way to sort of train yourself to learn to look beyond surface level analysis is to study deck profiles of "buy three of x structure deck and make a deck". Structure decks are full of small combos that only work once or don't fit into the deck but have that one neat interaction, and you usually see plenty of cards cut from a 3 structure deck build video. Being able to recognize the bigger and more meaningful plays of a structure deck and capitalizing on them requires some level of in depth analysis.
As far as Dark Bribe goes, you can droll the opponent after dark bribing them , you can also banish their whole hand after dark bribe and they dont draw any. I dont think it was about the 400->1200 damage
Although it doesn't matter that you "could have won" when looking at the next card or so, morbid curiosity always gets the better of me; most of the time I keep this to myself, but I'm also guilty of getting a bit too salty sometimes. I always wonder how things could have gone if I had survived just one more round, and not knowing bothers me somehow.
@dzeeff on some real shit this so funny cuz I watched the dark bribe video earlier today and my first thought was..."well what about with Lycoris" you always put it in perspective man.
I really enjoy these videos, I stopped playing around the times pendulums came out, but even then I was just a casual player. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, after all the point of the game is to have fun. Love your analysis and explanations, keep up the great work!
this video reminds me of one of the comments on the egyptian god videos on how to use holactie. it involved at least 10 unsearchable cards. it was hilarious.
Something ive noticed about casual players is that theyll play 39 bad cards and maybe 1 good card just because its fun, theyre not looking for optimal plays most of the time (i know some casuals are but thats the problem with general statements) instead theyre just looking for the quick bit of fun theyll get per duel and i think thats a great way to play because not everyone needs a competitive mindset If youre going to go to a locals or tournament of any sort please apply more competitive thinkig to your deck or else youll probably just end up having a bad time
"Any deck is good when it's doing well, when it's drawing well" Makes me think of the anime, all the protagonists do the craziest combos with crazy specific cards that would be useless in any other situation haha.
it works for them because they can draw whatever cards they want because they believe in the heart of the cards. This is why a lot of them only use 1 ofs
I would tell you what it does, but I would have to actually play the card. You cannot tell someone what Pot of Greed does unless you're in a duel and you play it. That's law.
One of your best videos so far. I for one love to play old or just very niche decks and try to squeeze out every bit of their potential. For example: I have a casual deck that uses 2 of the God cards (Slifer and Obelisk) as the win condition. Its as far off from a tournament win as it could be, but its the best Deck I could come up with that uses this cards. I was a tournament player over 10 years ago and relatively good at it and re-entered some tournaments at the end of the synchro era, but I just enjoy playing casually way more
Hey, cool video! I used to play a lot 4-5 years back, and slowly fell off, but I came across a video or 2 of yours recently. Neat videos, it took me a long time to get over the kind of surface level analysis you talked about. I think it really helped me think critically about board presence, card advantage, and card economy when I picked up Hearthstone. Is there a good place to catch up or watch what is happening in the modern meta?
Glad my videos helped you out! As you can tell, I usually just talk about general card strategy, but my friend "Cimoooooooo" talks about modern meta a lot. I'd give his channel a look :)
cool, I'll check him out! I'll keep watching your vids though, since I don't recognize a ton of cards lol. Also, it took me an embarassingly long amount of time to realize why you kept panning across the Surface card at "random" times...oops
I'm pretty much a complete noob to Yu-gi-oh with very little dueling experience and I found this video quite helpful as it caused me to think beyond a surface level. Thank you!
This is a really good topic to dedicate a video to, before I started subscribing to YuGiOh channels, I didn't really know how much foresight and setup went into this game. I didn't think the number of cards you have compared to your opponent mattered, and that card advantage/disadvantage is a major aspect of the game. I didn't know that a card having good stats didn't make it inherently valuable, or that "burn" effects aren't as amazing as the anime makes them seem in practice. There are a lot of general misconceptions I had as a "casual" who just looked at a card thinking if it had great stats and its effects weren't too hard to apply it must be good, not taking into account several things like the cost of getting that monster on the field, how consistently can I play it in my deck and how reliable is its effect(I used to think Felgrand Dragon was good lol, not great, but good enough to add as a pillar to my deck). Ygo is such a dynamic game with amazing card designs that it's hard not to get into the hype of seeing a God card or Blue Eyes Chaos Max Dragon and think "quality". I haven'tplayed the game in years so I consider myself a casual, but I do like stay up to date with the game and plan on eventually coming back, I don't play but I do love it and learning more about it.
10:58 It's simple why the combo isn't working, it's one of 3 elements: 1.speed 2.consistency 3. Odds of actually pulling it off For example: i run a "resonator" synchro deck, but have red nova Now, WHY do i have it in my deck? Because my deck is geared to easily make monsters like Scarlight & Red dragon archfiend Which can kick off it's summon effect, couple that with the fact that I'm running Both king calamity & Tyrant red dragon archfiend while using Red sprinter in my deck, it suddenly makes sense, because then i can kick off sprinters effect and continue rapid synchro summons at my leisure, and benefit off cards like TG hyper librarian whom thrive in decks that make multiple syncho summons
I get what you are saying, and thanks for all the information of how to build decks, but sometimes I just want to get a combo off just because it is fun and satisfying.
@Dzeeff I remember a longtime before I started watching your videos I used to play macro cosmos with soul absorption Thanks to your videos I learnt about card advantage and tempo and optimising deck building, now I know how to deck build properly Now my deck building is really powerful
I'm a casual player in that I make themed decks whether they make sense or not, not decks made for winning but decks made to be equal to the other decks I have. I got better at deck-building thanks to your videos in that they helped me weed through all the 'do-nothing' cards I used to have in all my decks, but I do still have ones that I think are fun in the deck. Also I make sure that decks try not to go higher than 4000 attack monsters that are hard to kill.
Huh, that somewhat helped me out.I have an issue looking at the combo consistency when my deck works to my own advantage and not what to do in case of sub optimal situations. Of course that is not to say I intend to break the boundary of Casual anytime soon. I'm what you would call very choice interested in my own play area. Most of which kind of deck i try to use and I usually try to move away from the decks that are performing very well to open my options a bit more.
I was somewhere between the two, using a custom built raccoon deck that actually turned out to be almost identical to a raccoon built that won a regionals in 2014(?). I live in a place where I was surrounded by people who were all chomping at the bit to be competitive, using shaddoll, BA, qli and nekroz at the heights of their popularity. I had a habit of curb stomping them to such a weird degree that they seemed like the bent their own view of reality, claiming my deck was bad (I mean I certainly wasn't going to win worlds or anything with it) and that I was stacking. The guy who was leading this actually impromtu challenged me, had actually put in a few cards to counter my deck and did the most aggressive cutting and reshuffling of a deck I had ever seen and lost. He lost 2-0. The competitive mind set doesn't also mean you're necessarily good.
I have never played Yugioh and I love your videos. Great, interesting analyses and a good sense of humor both transcend the knowledge gap. I've learned more than I've ever cared to know about the game and I'm looking forward to the next in-depth video you sprinkle in-between your routine pack opening videos. cheers
h4y4bu54 Same here. My cousin plays yugioh. I played casually over 5 years ago and am really into magic right now. I'm learning a lot about yugioh and I find these videos interesting but if I ever play yugioh again it'll probably be several years from now. I don't have money for both games right now but these videos are still interesting.
What if the goal is not to win or even function, but just to have fun with cards that make you smile? What if the more I hear about "competitive" and "successful" yugioh, the less I, personally, want to do with it? Your view and opinion is always competitively accurate and intellectually interesting, which is why I keep watching your videos, but I think I'll stay casual for a long while yet. Being competitive and playing to win are admirable goals to many and it's great that you help other players improve. However, the biggest problem I have with almost every one of your discussion videos is that every time you mention serious competitive concepts, and how they relate to casual players, they somehow come out as passive attacks on the casual mindset, with a tone and diction that comes across as though only a fool or an idiot would choose to be casual, when the gates to competitive Nirvana have been opened by your teachings. While some people may honestly need guidance, and it is so awesome and admirable to me that you feel a drive to give that guidance to them, bear in mind that for some people, myself included, casual play is consciously selected as the better choice. Not only is there nothing inherently wrong with being casual, but to a certain view, like mine, it's preferable, even vastly superior, to topping tournaments or even just being viable in casual play. I hate running decks that win every time, since no one around where I live plays with me twice when I never lose once. Still, having an open mind is great, and I understand that the competitive stand point is a deeply interesting and engaging topic, goodness knows I've learned a lot about deckbuilding and strategy from watching your vids, just remember that being open-minded is a two-way street, and don't talk down to people that have different goals from you, or attack other views on some presumption that since they are different, they must be wrong. Bear in mind of course that none of this applies to trolls or to people who are just plain mistaken. In those instances it isn't a matter of mindset, but of fact. I always wind up agreeing with you then, since as stated before you're basically always right about effects and rulings, etc. Like that whole debacle with Ra's life point draining effect being optional or Obelisk surviving dark hole. That isn't casual, it's just wrong. Still no need to be mean or selfrighteously superior though.
I wouldn't run Dark Bribe in Trickstars, but it also allows you access the Reincarnation / Droll Lock. So it's more than just the 200 burn from Lycoris (400 with Light Stage)
I think I am and always will be a casual yugioh player. Simply because under most circumstances when I look at competitive gameplay I don’t see a lot of back and forth. That’s what I’m after and consider fun. It’s the ability to duel and actually have… well a duel. Saying that I also just can’t be asked to process just how much the game has changed since last I played. Duel links has been a great reintroduction to the game and it’s crazy to me to think there’s still so much more in modern yugioh with the regular format. When master duel came out I was blown away by just how much can happen in a single turn with cards I’ve never seen before. Frankly it was overwhelming. But yeah, yugioh is a completely different beast now.
Hi there! I'm super casual (I think I last played in like... 2007?), but I do enjoy watching competitive analysis. I did have one question from this video: Is it safe to say that: if a card on its own does nothing for you but combo with another card specifically (and is otherwise dead) you would need a bunch of different ways to search out both cards. Alternately, you'd need to have both carried at 3 copies in order to consistently have them played together (and if this is done, you greatly increase the chance of drawing into either multiple times and getting a bunch of dead cards). I suppose what I'm getting at is that, in order for either of those things to be worthwhile, the combination would need to be incredibly powerful - enough to win (or at least swing it significantly in your favor). Is that a fair analysis? (This is just for my own understanding/curiosity)
Just a bit of constructive criticism for your videos. I’m a casual player, but every so often I see a topic you post that interests me. I understand your views towards most cards you talk about because you look at things more competitively. The reason I unsubscribed from you and switch away from videos every so often is that you tend to condescend to casual players. To be clear, I understand your view on why things like the Egyptian gods are not good. However, the thing I find fun about the game is trying to build a deck around cards I like even if they aren’t very good in the meta. When pendulums came out I enjoyed surprising my friends by playing performapals and then seeing their face when I tributed for obelisk was priceless! That’s what I find fun about the game. I understand it’s not a very viable strategy most of the time, but to each their own. Ultimately I feel like your videos would be better received if your tone towards casual players was a little more even with the way you talk about competitive players. Neither of these groups is free from nasty comments, but I feel like your videos often provoke the angry casual players and those of us that are more level headed just ignore it. Sorry for the long comment, but I suppose to shorten the overall concept: seeing your views on cards is fun even though I’m casual, but the way you talk down to casual mindsets and players is a major turn off for your videos.
I’m a casual, and I don’t send you death threats. I’m sure there are plenty of casuals who feel the same as I do. I’m not trying to defend the people who would go to those extremes, but as a casual who does enjoy seeing the other points of view on the game, I’m just offering my own view of what might get you a larger audience. The people who get that heated deserve to be called out, however by grouping everyone into that vocal minority it makes the videos extremely condescending. I understand that it must not be easy to deal with those types of comments and messages, but by condescending to everyone you’re also limiting your supporters. At the end of the day it’s your decision, but in my opinion the best way to get people willing to see your opinion is to also accept that their opinions are just as valid (as long as it’s reasonable and not violent). As I said before, I enjoy seeing your point of view and getting a competitive look at cards I might not have understood completely. I just think that a simple change in tone towards the casual mindset as a whole would make casual players feel less “attacked” or “looked down on”. (Im not talking about the death threats, they deserve to be looked upon as the terrible trolls they are) Should that tone change happen, you’ll have at least one new subscriber and supporter. Should you keep condescending to casuals as a group, then that’s your choice. I’ll still watch the videos regarding cards I am interested in to see the other view point. Just something to think about.
After a certain point it just looks like you're provoking people for the sake of views. I'm not trying to accuse you of that, but it's definitely the vibe you tend to give off with titles like these. It's going to keep happening as long as you keep saying you're playing nice, then doing things that make you seem like you're just trying upset the people you say you're trying to make amends with. Maybe try reevaluating your use of the word casual, as people seem to have different meanings associated with it than you do. This could probably be a topic for a video, because, as an above comment stated, you seem to only equate casual with bad, instead of people who just don't play in the same scene you do. Instead of seeing a bad player and thinking "filthy casual" try just thinking of them as bad players. Using casual as your catch-all term for people who don't know the game as well you or are just generally comment-section wackos, is what fuels a lot of peoples issues. Using the same word to describe someone who just plays with their friends to describe trolls, delusional idiots, and crazy people who would threaten an internet personality over a children's card game, is going to make people feel like they're being unfairly targeted, and sometimes people aren't good at expressing that. I should say that I don't play at all, and never really have outside of games, so I feel I'm able to say these things with a degree of neutrality. I'm not trying to state any actual opinions on the game or call you an elitist or anything, just that I really like your videos and felt there was a bit of a divide between what was being said in your comments and your potential perception of them. Hopefully you can at least understand what I believe the silent majority of casual players are probably feeling when they see a title like this, that makes them out to be idiots. Most won't post a hateful/angry/crazy comment, they'll just silently not watch the video. As a fan, I feel this is a situation where everybody loses, but has a simple solution.
dzeeff hell, I’m a casual. I don’t go to any events. I don’t go to locals. BUT I know how to build a deck properly. Being casual doesn’t mean that you’re shit at the game. It just means that us casuals take strategies and try to make them as competitive as possible with smart techs. Being bad is just being shit at the game, like playing 1 copy of magic cylinder in a 60 card lightsworn deck.
Dzeeff I think you're beef is with bad players, casual players are just people who like playing weird strategies, it doesn't make them non-competitive, they still want to win and they build really good decks, but its the bad players, or the players who lack the ability to critically analyze cards and combos that are the ones you are clashing with that think these cards and combos are good. Casuals know their deck isn't amazing when not playing meta, but they still enjoy the game and cheesy combos. Bad players don't have good deck building skills and blame luck and their opponent for losing when playing some silly combo that probably doesn't even work because PSCT and reading is hard.
Hi dzeff, I’ve been following your channel for a few weeks now. I wasn’t sure about your channel at first but this video right here made me subscribe. I tend to like your videos and find that I can watch them at any point of the day which I find is rare. I just wanted to say that I like your videos and would love it if you did a shoutout to the six samurai (the deck I used for a long time and am now trying to get away from)
One way to look at it is weighing the upside to the downside. Going with soul absorption and pot of desires. Top decking soul absorption in the later half of the game generally means you just scoop if you are already behind. On the other hand actually having the "combo" doesn't actually add anything in card advantage since you basically swap 2 cards for 2 cards and gain 5000 lp (which yet again don't matter since if you have nothing on board and no good cards you die in 2 turns instead of 1). Compare this to brilliant fusion. Worst case scenario you draw the garnet. It's by no means a good card, but it is a PLAYABLE card which can potentially do things (make link spider or some r4 or some shenanigans). It's not COMPLETELY dead. Compare it to the best case scenario where most of the time you GAIN advantage since brilliant 1 for 1s for a seraphinite and the light you send typically gives you advantage in some shape or form (trick clown makes brilliant a +1). This is BEFORE considering the double summon effect and potential link plays or synchro plays or whatever. The risk of drawing garnet pales in comparison to actually having brilliant fusion with no garnet in hand while the risk of top decking soul absorption far outweighs just gaining 5000 lp and going "-1" compared to just playing desires by itself.
2 card combos that are just in a deck for reasons is kinda dumb, but a definite beginner strategy. if you look for cards that synergize with the combo you're building, especially other combos that synergize with the deck is what makes an at least casual player. the pot/soul combo is dumb on its own but it would shine in a deck that focuses on banishing, taking advantage of the other combos present in the deck, with that one being additive, not the focus. sometimes "casual" 2 card combos spark a deck build idea or an expansion of a combo, and i think the more you can extend that combo and add other ones into a compatible deck, the better your deck becomes, even if the boiled down version of the combo is weak on its own
I am getting into the game to become competitive I am building a "meme deck " but I am trying to make it work,talking to veterans and using videos like yours to see what to put in the deck Good vid,really enjoyed!
Even in a lot of casual games I seen I wouldn't see niche two card combos like Soul Absorption + Pot of Desires, so I don't know where everyone is finding these particular casuals lol. Good mention on looking at it from "bad case scenario" point of view, this applies too many other games besides Yugioh.
I play to have fun because it’s a game. I use frognarch because that was the format I seriously got into yugioh with, and I thought it was fucking badass seeing someone tribute tiny frogs into OBELISK THE TORMENTOR. So that’s what I’ve been doing for the past 5ish years (ignoring my Magnet Warrior phase last year)
A bit of the topic, but what do you think about the new cyber dragon support? (Cyber dragon hertz and sieger) im not quite sure about the competitive use of hertz because you can really brick with him
I remember when I started playing and had 10 two-three card combos that did't match with each other. The fact that I would win randomly against some competitive players made me think it was a good deck, when in reality it was bs good luck. I learned to think more competitively, learned what worked and why it work and why it didn't, took that and made fun rouge decks that surprise people when they lose to it.
I've been playing yugioh since the beginning, and I loved being a competitive player for years, but in recent years I have become a lot more casual. My reasoning for this, is that the competitive scene has become really toxic. If you don't play the same strategy as everyone else, you are judged for it, and people don't take you seriously. If they beat you, they tell you why their deck deck is superior, and if they lose, they get angry, throw a fit, and make up excuses for why their deck lost. This isn't every competitive player, but I've come across this enough to turn me away from being competitive all together. When I play a match, the fun comes from improving my deck, and trying to out maneuver my opponent. But most competitive players have a, I have to win or it's not fun attitude. Plus yugioh isn't a pay to win game, but for the competitive scene it is a pay to have fun game, and it's just not fun to be apart of that anymore.
I know right and when they beat you they also really come off like their just trying to build your deck for you. I hate competitive players for any game really, I'm just trying to have fun when I play. My deck is made up of cards I just enjoy playing.
I'm so casual, I quit playing physical Yugioh and stopped buying cards the minute I heard YGOPro exists. lol the only card I've bought in the last 5 years is Big Core Mk 3. I'm a basic bitch. lol
Nice summation. I have a friend who’s recently been getting into the game, and often asks if some random card will work in a deck they’re using. And the answer is always no. Always
I really want to get back into the game. I grew up on it but fell off around the time that Synchros came out. What's your advice? I feel kinda at a loss at where to even start
This is a really useful video. Would you be able to turn videos like this into a progressive series of videos? Something like, beginner to King of Games or something lol. Just something that takes relatively clueless players from the very beginning of how to approach thinking about the game. Defining terms like "card advantage" "Consistency" and "tempo" in this context. If they were numbered and added to a playlist, that would help too. Anyway it's just a suggestion, your vids are good in any case. :)
Just pointing out that all of the 3 cards are searchable(i am not including any card searches like left arm offering, single purchase) but the methods aren't as reliable you can search slifer with popping mound of bound creator , but then why aren't you gonna go for sphere mode?which is a much better option(there is also true name), on the other hand the other the other 2 aren't as good as slifer's, watch dog and watch cat searches cont spells but each of them have their own disadvantages and can be useful in a small amount of decks.and lastly best ways to search quick-play spells requires your opponent to do something which is the worst method of searching cards(spell calling and quick booster)
Legit just the in Slifer into my blue eyes deck because it literally locks up the field and stops your opponent from summoning any monsters because it kills them immediately. Worked surprisingly well! Also it's Slifer, he's badass af.
Mr. Deezeef I wanted a frog deck that was cheap. Do you possibly know where I could get a cheaper frog deck? I really want one but am somewhat low on money. Thank you! Edit: my budget is 30 dollars or less.
12:00 "Oh I would have had you if you just waited for 5 turns without doing anything" I laughed so hard, the truth has been spoken!! Also, on soul absorption/ pot "combo". Pot of desires is good because it is a +1, which is to say you give up 1 card for 2. If you turn that into a +0 for lufepoints, it's really bad
I’ll admit; I do have trouble with surface level analysis from time to time. However, I do look deeper, it’s just not always, and I’m aware of that. That is just because of how I play, though. I would never help an actual competitive player deck build or combo because I know I would not be helpful for them and would give faulty advice
The reason why good-decent strategies are good is because they are easy to execute in the first place. Sky strikers for an example, they are pretty decent because most of the time, you are going to be able to link summon and search cards on your first time, actually, you are more likely to get a hand in which you can, than a hand where you cant
Wait, question on the Desires-Part. I have read that, when a card is banished face-down, it does not count for cards that interact with banished cards, as it is not public knowledge. So when you banish Soul Absorption, wouldn't it NOT trigger, because the opponent it has to be banished face-down?
applying competitive strategies to casual decks is my biggest hobby when it comes to YGO. For some archetypes it doesn't work... tindangles can't win half their games no matter what strategy you employ, for instance, but every so often you discover an archetype that, while far from meta, really, really shines in a casual setting, like Amazoness. Seriously, remembering how memetically terrible amazoness was when I stopped playing YGO the first time, it blows my mind how amazing they can be in casual play now.
As an idea for a follow up, and one which i'd really appreciate among I imagine others is how to build a competitive deck with cards that synergize well and maybe use a "Bad" archetype as an example of how to make such a deck better. Just an idea.
okay i have a (dumb) question. if you look at the picture of the slifer or soul absorption, there's 1st edition on the bottom of the card instead of under the picture on the card. is that normal? i noticed like half my cards have that writing on the bottom and half in the middle. are the cards like fake?
surface level analysis: set appropriate play gift of greed -> draw 4 cards play dark bride -> draw 2 cards + destroy a spell/trap play cup of ace -> draw 4 or 2 (depending on coin)
hey dzeef can you reverse the order of the videos in the beginner playlist, because i often tell begginners to watch this playlist but i have to tell them to watch it in reverse because the playlist begins with the more complex videos.
Well the idea of building a deck is,what board do I need to win and then search for cards that suppirt you going there.Make a mind map of interactions between these cards.The more interaction there is between all of your cards the better.
What I learned from deck building in 4 games for more than 10 years is that when you come up with weird combos like this, you keep them in the back of your mind. Then, when you find a card/cards that would make a certain strategy possible, you have a tool box of combos that you can go back to and build a deck out of it. For instance, if you ever find a card that makes a strategy based on gaining life points possible, you know that pot of desires can be used to get you 5000 life points. But for god's sake, don't just go "hey this gets me 5k life, better put it in my deck!" TLDR: Your deck has ONE strategy. Any card that does not advance that strategy does not go in your deck.
To be honest I wouldn't say I'm bad at the game in the slightest and I've been in the game for a long time so I've definitely got knowledge of the game. The problem I always have is keeping up; just as I get used to a meta and the decks inside it everything changes so I never know where to start or what decks to look at etc.
Im a casual, I play skull servants, heroes, machina, fluffals, and I really want to play a dedicated Daedalus deck, not chaos Daedalus or those other ones just a dedicated water Daedalus deck since it really rocketed me through the gba game duel academy but with the current power creep the deck I used in gx years is far past outdated and in a way so is Daedalus itself. Any ideas? The main effect is to essentially board wipe your opponents monsters by discarding the field spell umi (more commonly legendary ocean) and I believe it's upgrade neo Daedalus wipes the entire board and I believe both players hands? Or was it just the opponents? Either way I really like the cards and I want a way to incorporate them into a modern play style, not competitive, but able to hold its own against rogue decks semi-competently
So after analysing, I preferred Levia Dragon - Daedalus over the bigger Neo-Dragon Daedalus. Neo is a dead card in your hand unless you have Levia on the field, so if you want to run Neo, I'd say you'd need at least two Levia in your deck, and Neo will end up being a more niche use. Neo is kind of a win-more board- and hand-wipe, so you are either looking to stop your opponent in their tracks or finish the game. But Levia does this really well too, excluding hand-wipe, and is much easier to bring out with 'A Legendary Ocean' and has a sizeable attack stat at 2600, while Neo only gives you 300 more. In modern yugioh both are equally vulnerable to hand traps. So my critique is you often won't need Neo over Levia.
hey Mr NotAPackOpeningChannel i think you did a really good job conveying the correct tone for this vid, so props there. one thing i'm curious about is your perspective of players at a higher level than you, seeing as you seem to focus a lot more on players at the other end of the spectrum. specifically relating to the philosophies and logics behind top level players' deckbuilding, and also the possibility for shortsightedness looking on things from any level of understanding but the very highest; but i'm interested to hear any of your thoughts on the topic, if you have any. hope you see this, peace out!
It would be really interesting if Yugioh were built with more robust mechanics from the start of the game's history so that crazy powerful cards weren't necessary to make a dynamic, interesting game. For instance, Soul Absorption and other lifepoint-gaining effects would have a lot of neat interactions if there were a built-in mechanic to make lifepoints a useable resource, such as giving 1,000 LP to replace a tribute up to the point of, say, sacrificing 8,000 LP to draw one. It fits the game so thematically, too. Plus, it'd make burn cards a lot more interesting - in a game where the only lifepoint that matters is the last one, burn is either absolute garbage or degenerate FTKs. If lifepoint advantage were an ACTUAL form of advantage, mixed decks with a little burn, a little beatdown etc. could be interesting.
I think one of the best cases for Slifer is Galaxy Tomahawk generating tokens to use as fodder to tribute summon it. This can be done easily in Odd Eyes. Still bad though.
i have a banish deck that uses soul absorption but it uses Skystarray and cards like Wingtortoise to keep my field open along w/ Temple of the mind eye and rainbow life as a protection for last resort along w/ wall of disruption but this won't apply to TCG but ti's a really cool casual deck if done properly and a okay hand you can sometimes this techique is used in one of my banish decks in "Duel Links" but since these are different formats. i consider myself a competitive casual. what do i mean by that i enjoy being competitive but i also like building decks revolving strats i like and want to try! duel links i feel makes deck building more easier for me. plus i can do it at work on my phone and while in the car w/ my ride on the way to and from work. but as being in the competitive field i really enjoy watching full on meta but i enjoy and like to win Those types of things using decks i create in duel links using my own creativity. i also highly respect those that make high ranks and take their time and life to a game which from watching this video i'm in the grey area of between the two because #1 using decks you like and work well usually doesn't fair well against "META" #2 i don't like using or maining a certain archetype i like reading every card that gets released in duel links and learning and creating my own fun decks to beat players that are newer making it fun for me. but playing against the @dzeeff taught me that he knows exactly what hes doing even though he has a different way of syncing his deck it doesn't always work for me. #3 Play what works for you don't let others tell your deck is no good listen to people advise how to make your current deck better. @dezeeff is one of those people he's helped me but his idea didn't work for me. so it's always important to play what works for you because it's your deck and you as the player put tons of hard work and money into it. #4 utilize as many cards as possible not all cards are bad strats just try to make them better. innovation is a single and team effort. innovation is what got me playing duel links because of the low deck size makes it easy to implement things for me since i take a long time to make true decisions.
to add to this: synergy and your deck are key to utilizing cards properly which is something i learned super late into playing Duel links helps so take your time and collect a lot of cards and have fun. just because it's not rare doesn't mean it's not good. just remember all cards have a use. make sure to take your time and go through your cards and stuff and always try to have a nice deck holster to put them in.
I'm learning how to play the game and want to get good at Duel links. Then Eventually the TCG and suffering a lot because the structure deck I bought Legend of white and all the abilities and the dragons and what not really confuse me, but hopefully I will get there.
Here is what I've learned by watching your videos(for entertainment and not for playing, but there great): Cards meed to be consistent or so OP that it doesn't matter. Cards meed to affect the game to be good(canceling opponents effects etc.) Cards need to be good on there own and good with other cards. Combos that don't affect the game yet tale 2 or 3 cards are terrible, but combos that take half your deck but gain card advantage and lock down the opponent or protect you are great. Monsters need protection effects and effects that affect the game to be viable boss monsters. Cards that depend on stupid opponents are terrible. Life points are of little value. Tempo is super important and is what made deagon rulers dominate. Slow cards are terrible.
As an extremely casual player who almost exclussively plays gimmick decks (I main Bakura in Duel Links with a Legendary Maju Garzet focus), I realize how bad Infinite Cards with Slifer is... I only use it for Exodia's deck, which is already bad enough, but it ends up being fun if you pull it off
My favorite combo which would never work was to get chaos zone and soul absorption on the field, take 3000 damage and then activate Inferno tempest and banish all the monsters in everyone's decks and graveyard. Chaos zone would get a lot of counters and you would gain the lifepoints back and be able to summon all the monster you wanted.
Slifer the Sky Dragon will always be meta if you believe in the heart of the cards, because you'll always draw that one card you needed in a pinch. Just make sure you're an anime protagonist.
Not even a duel links skill will help with that
@@stonalisa3729 destiny draw
I'm a side character by choice.
Can't get sent to the shadow realm if I'm not an important character
Anthony Yang tell that to mai valentine
@@AnthonyYang002 say that to Bonz and his brothers
The most important step of becoming a pro yugioh player, which i'm surprised you didn't mention, is learning that MST doesn't negate.
Crazy yes it does. It works on dark hole and raigeki as well as pot of greed so Idk where you get your facts from but you're clearly a noob.
are you being serious Robby.
nah
RobbytheDragon From an extremely casual player, a 5 second Google would tell you that mst destroys face up cards, it doesn't negate.
Don't believe the lies
Official-TwinkleFart Google is run by the interplanetarypurplythorny dragon so your argument is invalid.
When you realise that Infinite Cards benefits your opponent who didnt waste cards to summon slifer.
I can't think of any reason someone would play Infinite Cards other then to benefit his opponent. Five cards in hand is more then enough for Slifer and if you are going for a OTK you don't need that card either. Is just useless
You gotta play heart of the underdog for that OTK
The one I saw was with fairies, you use "Tethys the Goddness of light" with "Reload" to draw insane amounts of cards. However even if do it with Underdog it's a OTK it still doesn't need 'Infinite Hand'
GamerCainey Speaking as a defender of the casual mindset, yeah that's pretty dumb I've never heard of anyone trying that. Granted the casual setting IS all about making the stupidest/funnest combos work (that or make a non-competitive deck archetype work), but I mean you actually want to optimize the combos if you can?That obviously isn't optimized like at all? That's not what causal players "do" really? Were aren't "in it to win it", if my over the top combo goes off maybe once in a blue moon that's fine no skin off my back, but again, we try and optimize those combos at least...
(Besides, when everyone plays a jank/crummy deck they're pretty evenly matched LOL.)
Just a funny tidbit.
I believe during the format with full-power Dragon Rulers and Divine Judgment Spellbooks, I built a Dragon Ruler deck on Dueling Network and put Infinite Cards in it (it was either 1 copy or 3). Not because I thought it was good (I knew it was a horrible card), but because I thought it would be funny to activate the card during your Main Phase (let's say you draw it off of Sacred Sword or something) and then draw a bunch of cards off of Super Rejuvenation during the End Phase while still being able to keep a massive hand. It essentially served no purpose, but I always laughed if I was able to pull it off because I could keep like 8-10 cards in my hand, haha. Mirrors were funny because they wouldn't get rid of Infinite Cards - they didn't want to discard during End Phase either. xD
Infinite Cards is infinitely trash.
A really helpful tip that I got when I started getting back into Yugioh was that it doesn't really matter how good a combo is if you can rarely pull it off.
Dalton Peifer Consistency is key.
But dam me if pulling off a hard rarely seen combos isn’t just the best thing ever.
. . . my 1st deck coming back was dark synchro & every time I got combo I was able to do it after a short learning curve, so that isn't the same for everyone, but then again I played it on ygopro & the timer kept running out xP
Simple rule: don't play a bad card to make another bad card better
Melissa Grenier
AKA don’t play neo space
Melissa Grenier Don’t throw good money after bad.
I remember when i first started yugioh and made a sort of cyber angels deck. it also used 2 Paladin of white dragon, and 3 blue-eyes, and 2 relinquished. When i got blue eyes out it just died immediately because I had no follow up and was confused why it didn't work, and relinquished almost never came out because i had no means of searching for him. I started watching you and now i can win locals with my updated one, so thanks dzeeff!
You just weren't believing enough in your Blue-Eyes.
@@aurafox1 Way to take the piss out of it. Nice meme.
This seems more like very beginner deck building 101, anyone who centers their deck around a 2 card only combo and that doesn't refuse to see why screams beginner.
The videos of yours which helped me a lot were the pot of desires ones and why nobody plays ones. I've topped in shaddoll/ba/ kozmo and pepe format but have absolutely sucked after that cause I legit thought desires was a -9 and no one would explain why it wasn't and just ridiculed me. Thank you for your videos they have really helped me
Yuepon Hernandez Teaching casuals *is* beginner deck building 101
Ralph Jordan Casual =/= bad ya genius...
michaelkeha Sure why bother playing something proven to top when you can spend far more time creating some new thing and working out every possible combo and interaction just to lose at every regional... Competitive players still have the ability to completely make up decks for locals or something, it's just usually not worth the time or effort to do that instead of playing and testing a deck they can actually top with
michaelkeha you’re an idiot
@@michaelkeha netdecking is a good thing because it gives people decks that have been proven to top then experimenting and losing all the time
*Casual is the new meta*
Benji Anime *Autism is the new meta*
Another video while I'm shitting, two days in a row. Absolute legend
In awe of the regularity of the poops of this lad, absolute unit
quality entertainment while on the pot 10/10
You dropped a massive legend in the toilet I see. Wait wrong channel...
_SHIT_ 2
You've been shitting two days straight? The stamina
*_WHERE IS GREED OF POT_*
I'm a casual player. I like to play with my friends and boyfriend who just like to chill out and play YuGiOh together. I want to get better so I've been watching some videos like these online, and I think they're helping so thank you.
I remember when I used to run Dark World and didn't really understand the difference between discard and cost
That was my awakening to the rules and how I became competitive. Dark worlds was my favorite archetype for ages. That and Cyber dragons.
Now a days I just play semi casual and love some theme decks
This was seriously helpful. I started pretty recently and this opened my eyes to a few things
Even in the anime where Infinite Cards was used with Slifer, it wasn't just those two cards. It also invovled some convolutedness involving using Revival Jam with Card of Safe Return to continue drawing cards every time it's destroyed. (And this combo does not work in the TCG)
That infinite cards combo hurts my brain. I'm a casual but I don't understand how anyone could see that being good.
Everyone who thinks its good basically goes "With this many cards in hand Slifers attack is huge and because of this card, it stays that way".
They do not stop to think how they are going to get many cards in hand.
Who needs a Slifer with more than 6K ATK lol
Hi Erk
I’ve always seen myself as casually competitive. I tend to find decks that interest me then tinker and toy with recipes until I find the best competitive combos for the deck. Recently I built a good Dinomist build that got me 3rd and then 2nd at my locals.
Alot of these causal strategies are really slow and unsearchable.
As someone in the vast spectrum of competitive/casual, this video really had me thinking on my decks and their “spicy techs”.Would love a video of you explaining tempo to us. Thanks!
My dumbass thought he was showing us Surface because it was being misevaluated by casuals.... then I realized this is a Surface-level analysis discussion
I think a good way to sort of train yourself to learn to look beyond surface level analysis is to study deck profiles of "buy three of x structure deck and make a deck". Structure decks are full of small combos that only work once or don't fit into the deck but have that one neat interaction, and you usually see plenty of cards cut from a 3 structure deck build video. Being able to recognize the bigger and more meaningful plays of a structure deck and capitalizing on them requires some level of in depth analysis.
I’m “casual” in the sense that I’ve never once attended a regional or any official event but when I play my friends I’m competitive af 😂
casual =/= non-competitive
As far as Dark Bribe goes, you can droll the opponent after dark bribing them , you can also banish their whole hand after dark bribe and they dont draw any.
I dont think it was about the 400->1200 damage
2:56 this graph is so confusing. I don't know where to look
Although it doesn't matter that you "could have won" when looking at the next card or so, morbid curiosity always gets the better of me; most of the time I keep this to myself, but I'm also guilty of getting a bit too salty sometimes. I always wonder how things could have gone if I had survived just one more round, and not knowing bothers me somehow.
Blue Sparx Just tell yourself you're practising working out plays for next time
@dzeeff on some real shit this so funny cuz I watched the dark bribe video earlier today and my first thought was..."well what about with Lycoris" you always put it in perspective man.
I really enjoy these videos, I stopped playing around the times pendulums came out, but even then I was just a casual player. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, after all the point of the game is to have fun. Love your analysis and explanations, keep up the great work!
Your videos like this one made me become more of a competitive and even just a better player in general. Thank you :)
this video reminds me of one of the comments on the egyptian god videos on how to use holactie.
it involved at least 10 unsearchable cards. it was hilarious.
Yu gi oh has a spectrum
Yu gi oh is diverse
Life has a spectrum
Life is diverse
Yu gi oh is life
We live in a society
you know,we live in somehting of a society ourselves
Something ive noticed about casual players is that theyll play 39 bad cards and maybe 1 good card just because its fun, theyre not looking for optimal plays most of the time (i know some casuals are but thats the problem with general statements) instead theyre just looking for the quick bit of fun theyll get per duel and i think thats a great way to play because not everyone needs a competitive mindset
If youre going to go to a locals or tournament of any sort please apply more competitive thinkig to your deck or else youll probably just end up having a bad time
"Any deck is good when it's doing well, when it's drawing well" Makes me think of the anime, all the protagonists do the craziest combos with crazy specific cards that would be useless in any other situation haha.
it works for them because they can draw whatever cards they want because they believe in the heart of the cards. This is why a lot of them only use 1 ofs
One way to rethink LP is as "Fuel" rather than "Life". Gaining more fuel doesn't make much of a difference.
Im a highly competitive player and I still dont know what Pot of Greed does.
Chr1s887x nobody does ... that's why it's banned :')
I always worry that my opponent has forgotten what Pot of Greed does. So I always tell them when I play it.
you dont need to know. it will never be unbanned
I would tell you what it does, but I would have to actually play the card. You cannot tell someone what Pot of Greed does unless you're in a duel and you play it. That's law.
I believe it has a similar effect to Pot of Desires, but I'm really not sure about that.
I started to watching your videos not time ago, I used to play casual many years ago. I want to play again. I'm very satisfied with your videos.
One of your best videos so far. I for one love to play old or just very niche decks and try to squeeze out every bit of their potential. For example: I have a casual deck that uses 2 of the God cards (Slifer and Obelisk) as the win condition. Its as far off from a tournament win as it could be, but its the best Deck I could come up with that uses this cards. I was a tournament player over 10 years ago and relatively good at it and re-entered some tournaments at the end of the synchro era, but I just enjoy playing casually way more
Hey, cool video! I used to play a lot 4-5 years back, and slowly fell off, but I came across a video or 2 of yours recently. Neat videos, it took me a long time to get over the kind of surface level analysis you talked about. I think it really helped me think critically about board presence, card advantage, and card economy when I picked up Hearthstone. Is there a good place to catch up or watch what is happening in the modern meta?
Glad my videos helped you out! As you can tell, I usually just talk about general card strategy, but my friend "Cimoooooooo" talks about modern meta a lot. I'd give his channel a look :)
cool, I'll check him out! I'll keep watching your vids though, since I don't recognize a ton of cards lol. Also, it took me an embarassingly long amount of time to realize why you kept panning across the Surface card at "random" times...oops
I'm pretty much a complete noob to Yu-gi-oh with very little dueling experience and I found this video quite helpful as it caused me to think beyond a surface level. Thank you!
This is a really good topic to dedicate a video to, before I started subscribing to YuGiOh channels, I didn't really know how much foresight and setup went into this game. I didn't think the number of cards you have compared to your opponent mattered, and that card advantage/disadvantage is a major aspect of the game. I didn't know that a card having good stats didn't make it inherently valuable, or that "burn" effects aren't as amazing as the anime makes them seem in practice.
There are a lot of general misconceptions I had as a "casual" who just looked at a card thinking if it had great stats and its effects weren't too hard to apply it must be good, not taking into account several things like the cost of getting that monster on the field, how consistently can I play it in my deck and how reliable is its effect(I used to think Felgrand Dragon was good lol, not great, but good enough to add as a pillar to my deck). Ygo is such a dynamic game with amazing card designs that it's hard not to get into the hype of seeing a God card or Blue Eyes Chaos Max Dragon and think "quality". I haven'tplayed the game in years so I consider myself a casual, but I do like stay up to date with the game and plan on eventually coming back, I don't play but I do love it and learning more about it.
10:58
It's simple why the combo isn't working, it's one of 3 elements:
1.speed
2.consistency
3. Odds of actually pulling it off
For example: i run a "resonator" synchro deck, but have red nova
Now, WHY do i have it in my deck? Because my deck is geared to easily make monsters like Scarlight & Red dragon archfiend
Which can kick off it's summon effect, couple that with the fact that I'm running Both king calamity & Tyrant red dragon archfiend while using Red sprinter in my deck, it suddenly makes sense, because then i can kick off sprinters effect and continue rapid synchro summons at my leisure, and benefit off cards like TG hyper librarian whom thrive in decks that make multiple syncho summons
I get what you are saying, and thanks for all the information of how to build decks, but sometimes I just want to get a combo off just because it is fun and satisfying.
@Dzeeff I remember a longtime before I started watching your videos
I used to play macro cosmos with soul absorption
Thanks to your videos I learnt about card advantage and tempo and optimising deck building, now I know how to deck build properly
Now my deck building is really powerful
Lmao I love that at the last moment he disses on chaos max again! Lol that's why I'm subbed, for moments like that
I'm a casual player in that I make themed decks whether they make sense or not, not decks made for winning but decks made to be equal to the other decks I have.
I got better at deck-building thanks to your videos in that they helped me weed through all the 'do-nothing' cards I used to have in all my decks, but I do still have ones that I think are fun in the deck.
Also I make sure that decks try not to go higher than 4000 attack monsters that are hard to kill.
Huh, that somewhat helped me out.I have an issue looking at the combo consistency when my deck works to my own advantage and not what to do in case of sub optimal situations. Of course that is not to say I intend to break the boundary of Casual anytime soon. I'm what you would call very choice interested in my own play area. Most of which kind of deck i try to use and I usually try to move away from the decks that are performing very well to open my options a bit more.
im here because i just find the tcg and strategy concepts fascinating. that said im just a duel links pleb cause im poor for actual tcg play.
dragonslayer557 you can buy three structure decks for $30, it might not be the best but it's a start
You can buy Dinosmasher's Fury for close to 30 bucks and it's pretty solid.
Play YGOPRO
Fluffal for 23$ is pretty good and people will love you if you play that deck
Thanks for the tip! I'll try to aplly these ideas!!
I was somewhere between the two, using a custom built raccoon deck that actually turned out to be almost identical to a raccoon built that won a regionals in 2014(?). I live in a place where I was surrounded by people who were all chomping at the bit to be competitive, using shaddoll, BA, qli and nekroz at the heights of their popularity. I had a habit of curb stomping them to such a weird degree that they seemed like the bent their own view of reality, claiming my deck was bad (I mean I certainly wasn't going to win worlds or anything with it) and that I was stacking. The guy who was leading this actually impromtu challenged me, had actually put in a few cards to counter my deck and did the most aggressive cutting and reshuffling of a deck I had ever seen and lost. He lost 2-0.
The competitive mind set doesn't also mean you're necessarily good.
I have never played Yugioh and I love your videos. Great, interesting analyses and a good sense of humor both transcend the knowledge gap. I've learned more than I've ever cared to know about the game and I'm looking forward to the next in-depth video you sprinkle in-between your routine pack opening videos. cheers
h4y4bu54 Same here. My cousin plays yugioh. I played casually over 5 years ago and am really into magic right now. I'm learning a lot about yugioh and I find these videos interesting but if I ever play yugioh again it'll probably be several years from now. I don't have money for both games right now but these videos are still interesting.
What if the goal is not to win or even function, but just to have fun with cards that make you smile? What if the more I hear about "competitive" and "successful" yugioh, the less I, personally, want to do with it? Your view and opinion is always competitively accurate and intellectually interesting, which is why I keep watching your videos, but I think I'll stay casual for a long while yet. Being competitive and playing to win are admirable goals to many and it's great that you help other players improve. However, the biggest problem I have with almost every one of your discussion videos is that every time you mention serious competitive concepts, and how they relate to casual players, they somehow come out as passive attacks on the casual mindset, with a tone and diction that comes across as though only a fool or an idiot would choose to be casual, when the gates to competitive Nirvana have been opened by your teachings. While some people may honestly need guidance, and it is so awesome and admirable to me that you feel a drive to give that guidance to them, bear in mind that for some people, myself included, casual play is consciously selected as the better choice. Not only is there nothing inherently wrong with being casual, but to a certain view, like mine, it's preferable, even vastly superior, to topping tournaments or even just being viable in casual play. I hate running decks that win every time, since no one around where I live plays with me twice when I never lose once. Still, having an open mind is great, and I understand that the competitive stand point is a deeply interesting and engaging topic, goodness knows I've learned a lot about deckbuilding and strategy from watching your vids, just remember that being open-minded is a two-way street, and don't talk down to people that have different goals from you, or attack other views on some presumption that since they are different, they must be wrong. Bear in mind of course that none of this applies to trolls or to people who are just plain mistaken. In those instances it isn't a matter of mindset, but of fact. I always wind up agreeing with you then, since as stated before you're basically always right about effects and rulings, etc. Like that whole debacle with Ra's life point draining effect being optional or Obelisk surviving dark hole. That isn't casual, it's just wrong. Still no need to be mean or selfrighteously superior though.
I wouldn't run Dark Bribe in Trickstars, but it also allows you access the Reincarnation / Droll Lock. So it's more than just the 200 burn from Lycoris (400 with Light Stage)
I think I am and always will be a casual yugioh player. Simply because under most circumstances when I look at competitive gameplay I don’t see a lot of back and forth. That’s what I’m after and consider fun. It’s the ability to duel and actually have… well a duel.
Saying that I also just can’t be asked to process just how much the game has changed since last I played. Duel links has been a great reintroduction to the game and it’s crazy to me to think there’s still so much more in modern yugioh with the regular format. When master duel came out I was blown away by just how much can happen in a single turn with cards I’ve never seen before. Frankly it was overwhelming.
But yeah, yugioh is a completely different beast now.
There is still back and forth, but it might just be on an axis you aren't a fan of.
Hi there! I'm super casual (I think I last played in like... 2007?), but I do enjoy watching competitive analysis. I did have one question from this video:
Is it safe to say that: if a card on its own does nothing for you but combo with another card specifically (and is otherwise dead) you would need a bunch of different ways to search out both cards. Alternately, you'd need to have both carried at 3 copies in order to consistently have them played together (and if this is done, you greatly increase the chance of drawing into either multiple times and getting a bunch of dead cards).
I suppose what I'm getting at is that, in order for either of those things to be worthwhile, the combination would need to be incredibly powerful - enough to win (or at least swing it significantly in your favor). Is that a fair analysis?
(This is just for my own understanding/curiosity)
You basically got the point
Just a bit of constructive criticism for your videos. I’m a casual player, but every so often I see a topic you post that interests me. I understand your views towards most cards you talk about because you look at things more competitively. The reason I unsubscribed from you and switch away from videos every so often is that you tend to condescend to casual players.
To be clear, I understand your view on why things like the Egyptian gods are not good. However, the thing I find fun about the game is trying to build a deck around cards I like even if they aren’t very good in the meta. When pendulums came out I enjoyed surprising my friends by playing performapals and then seeing their face when I tributed for obelisk was priceless! That’s what I find fun about the game. I understand it’s not a very viable strategy most of the time, but to each their own.
Ultimately I feel like your videos would be better received if your tone towards casual players was a little more even with the way you talk about competitive players.
Neither of these groups is free from nasty comments, but I feel like your videos often provoke the angry casual players and those of us that are more level headed just ignore it.
Sorry for the long comment, but I suppose to shorten the overall concept: seeing your views on cards is fun even though I’m casual, but the way you talk down to casual mindsets and players is a major turn off for your videos.
When casuals stop sending me death threats I'll stop talking down to them :)
I’m a casual, and I don’t send you death threats. I’m sure there are plenty of casuals who feel the same as I do.
I’m not trying to defend the people who would go to those extremes, but as a casual who does enjoy seeing the other points of view on the game, I’m just offering my own view of what might get you a larger audience.
The people who get that heated deserve to be called out, however by grouping everyone into that vocal minority it makes the videos extremely condescending.
I understand that it must not be easy to deal with those types of comments and messages, but by condescending to everyone you’re also limiting your supporters.
At the end of the day it’s your decision, but in my opinion the best way to get people willing to see your opinion is to also accept that their opinions are just as valid (as long as it’s reasonable and not violent).
As I said before, I enjoy seeing your point of view and getting a competitive look at cards I might not have understood completely. I just think that a simple change in tone towards the casual mindset as a whole would make casual players feel less “attacked” or “looked down on”. (Im not talking about the death threats, they deserve to be looked upon as the terrible trolls they are)
Should that tone change happen, you’ll have at least one new subscriber and supporter. Should you keep condescending to casuals as a group, then that’s your choice. I’ll still watch the videos regarding cards I am interested in to see the other view point. Just something to think about.
After a certain point it just looks like you're provoking people for the sake of views. I'm not trying to accuse you of that, but it's definitely the vibe you tend to give off with titles like these. It's going to keep happening as long as you keep saying you're playing nice, then doing things that make you seem like you're just trying upset the people you say you're trying to make amends with.
Maybe try reevaluating your use of the word casual, as people seem to have different meanings associated with it than you do. This could probably be a topic for a video, because, as an above comment stated, you seem to only equate casual with bad, instead of people who just don't play in the same scene you do.
Instead of seeing a bad player and thinking "filthy casual" try just thinking of them as bad players. Using casual as your catch-all term for people who don't know the game as well you or are just generally comment-section wackos, is what fuels a lot of peoples issues. Using the same word to describe someone who just plays with their friends to describe trolls, delusional idiots, and crazy people who would threaten an internet personality over a children's card game, is going to make people feel like they're being unfairly targeted, and sometimes people aren't good at expressing that.
I should say that I don't play at all, and never really have outside of games, so I feel I'm able to say these things with a degree of neutrality. I'm not trying to state any actual opinions on the game or call you an elitist or anything, just that I really like your videos and felt there was a bit of a divide between what was being said in your comments and your potential perception of them.
Hopefully you can at least understand what I believe the silent majority of casual players are probably feeling when they see a title like this, that makes them out to be idiots. Most won't post a hateful/angry/crazy comment, they'll just silently not watch the video. As a fan, I feel this is a situation where everybody loses, but has a simple solution.
dzeeff hell, I’m a casual. I don’t go to any events. I don’t go to locals. BUT I know how to build a deck properly. Being casual doesn’t mean that you’re shit at the game. It just means that us casuals take strategies and try to make them as competitive as possible with smart techs. Being bad is just being shit at the game, like playing 1 copy of magic cylinder in a 60 card lightsworn deck.
Dzeeff I think you're beef is with bad players, casual players are just people who like playing weird strategies, it doesn't make them non-competitive, they still want to win and they build really good decks, but its the bad players, or the players who lack the ability to critically analyze cards and combos that are the ones you are clashing with that think these cards and combos are good.
Casuals know their deck isn't amazing when not playing meta, but they still enjoy the game and cheesy combos. Bad players don't have good deck building skills and blame luck and their opponent for losing when playing some silly combo that probably doesn't even work because PSCT and reading is hard.
Hi dzeff, I’ve been following your channel for a few weeks now. I wasn’t sure about your channel at first but this video right here made me subscribe. I tend to like your videos and find that I can watch them at any point of the day which I find is rare. I just wanted to say that I like your videos and would love it if you did a shoutout to the six samurai (the deck I used for a long time and am now trying to get away from)
Nice Video. Do you have any advice on how to play test your decks? (Specifically the mindset you need while you do it)
One way to look at it is weighing the upside to the downside. Going with soul absorption and pot of desires. Top decking soul absorption in the later half of the game generally means you just scoop if you are already behind. On the other hand actually having the "combo" doesn't actually add anything in card advantage since you basically swap 2 cards for 2 cards and gain 5000 lp (which yet again don't matter since if you have nothing on board and no good cards you die in 2 turns instead of 1). Compare this to brilliant fusion. Worst case scenario you draw the garnet. It's by no means a good card, but it is a PLAYABLE card which can potentially do things (make link spider or some r4 or some shenanigans). It's not COMPLETELY dead. Compare it to the best case scenario where most of the time you GAIN advantage since brilliant 1 for 1s for a seraphinite and the light you send typically gives you advantage in some shape or form (trick clown makes brilliant a +1). This is BEFORE considering the double summon effect and potential link plays or synchro plays or whatever. The risk of drawing garnet pales in comparison to actually having brilliant fusion with no garnet in hand while the risk of top decking soul absorption far outweighs just gaining 5000 lp and going "-1" compared to just playing desires by itself.
*reads title* wow ok dzeef starting of with straight FIRE
2 card combos that are just in a deck for reasons is kinda dumb, but a definite beginner strategy. if you look for cards that synergize with the combo you're building, especially other combos that synergize with the deck is what makes an at least casual player. the pot/soul combo is dumb on its own but it would shine in a deck that focuses on banishing, taking advantage of the other combos present in the deck, with that one being additive, not the focus. sometimes "casual" 2 card combos spark a deck build idea or an expansion of a combo, and i think the more you can extend that combo and add other ones into a compatible deck, the better your deck becomes, even if the boiled down version of the combo is weak on its own
I am getting into the game to become competitive I am building a "meme deck " but I am trying to make it work,talking to veterans and using videos like yours to see what to put in the deck
Good vid,really enjoyed!
Even in a lot of casual games I seen I wouldn't see niche two card combos like Soul Absorption + Pot of Desires, so I don't know where everyone is finding these particular casuals lol. Good mention on looking at it from "bad case scenario" point of view, this applies too many other games besides Yugioh.
I play to have fun because it’s a game. I use frognarch because that was the format I seriously got into yugioh with, and I thought it was fucking badass seeing someone tribute tiny frogs into OBELISK THE TORMENTOR. So that’s what I’ve been doing for the past 5ish years (ignoring my Magnet Warrior phase last year)
Ok I guess this is a good video to ask on, Should card advantage or tempo be prioritized, and how far is overextending?
A bit of the topic, but what do you think about the new cyber dragon support? (Cyber dragon hertz and sieger) im not quite sure about the competitive use of hertz because you can really brick with him
Is it time for a second "how dzeeff builds deck"? It's been so long even tho I think it won't change that much
I remember when I started playing and had 10 two-three card combos that did't match with each other. The fact that I would win randomly against some competitive players made me think it was a good deck, when in reality it was bs good luck. I learned to think more competitively, learned what worked and why it work and why it didn't, took that and made fun rouge decks that surprise people when they lose to it.
I've been playing yugioh since the beginning, and I loved being a competitive player for years, but in recent years I have become a lot more casual. My reasoning for this, is that the competitive scene has become really toxic. If you don't play the same strategy as everyone else, you are judged for it, and people don't take you seriously. If they beat you, they tell you why their deck deck is superior, and if they lose, they get angry, throw a fit, and make up excuses for why their deck lost. This isn't every competitive player, but I've come across this enough to turn me away from being competitive all together. When I play a match, the fun comes from improving my deck, and trying to out maneuver my opponent. But most competitive players have a, I have to win or it's not fun attitude. Plus yugioh isn't a pay to win game, but for the competitive scene it is a pay to have fun game, and it's just not fun to be apart of that anymore.
I know right and when they beat you they also really come off like their just trying to build your deck for you. I hate competitive players for any game really, I'm just trying to have fun when I play. My deck is made up of cards I just enjoy playing.
What you talk about?Competitive yugioh comunity fucking love good Rounge deck player!
I'm so casual, I quit playing physical Yugioh and stopped buying cards the minute I heard YGOPro exists. lol
the only card I've bought in the last 5 years is Big Core Mk 3.
I'm a basic bitch. lol
Nice summation. I have a friend who’s recently been getting into the game, and often asks if some random card will work in a deck they’re using. And the answer is always no. Always
Dzeef your so close to 50k. Keep it up.
I would want to go competative
My problem is money, not my knowledge of the game
Dank Law 999 Money + no card shops in my city.
RIP
I prefur ygopro
unless I'm playing a deck with over the top combos
*YUGIOH NEXUS.*
You can still play with a competitive mindset on a budget.
My budget is less than 30$
I'm a casual who likes your videos, because they give me the feeling that I start to understand the game :)
What would be the strongest deck in a perfect draw scenario?
I really want to get back into the game. I grew up on it but fell off around the time that Synchros came out. What's your advice? I feel kinda at a loss at where to even start
This is a really useful video. Would you be able to turn videos like this into a progressive series of videos? Something like, beginner to King of Games or something lol. Just something that takes relatively clueless players from the very beginning of how to approach thinking about the game. Defining terms like "card advantage" "Consistency" and "tempo" in this context. If they were numbered and added to a playlist, that would help too.
Anyway it's just a suggestion, your vids are good in any case. :)
Just pointing out that all of the 3 cards are searchable(i am not including any card searches like left arm offering, single purchase) but the methods aren't as reliable you can search slifer with popping mound of bound creator , but then why aren't you gonna go for sphere mode?which is a much better option(there is also true name), on the other hand the other the other 2 aren't as good as slifer's, watch dog and watch cat searches cont spells but each of them have their own disadvantages and can be useful in a small amount of decks.and lastly best ways to search quick-play spells requires your opponent to do something which is the worst method of searching cards(spell calling and quick booster)
Legit just the in Slifer into my blue eyes deck because it literally locks up the field and stops your opponent from summoning any monsters because it kills them immediately. Worked surprisingly well! Also it's Slifer, he's badass af.
Mr. Deezeef I wanted a frog deck that was cheap. Do you possibly know where I could get a cheaper frog deck? I really want one but am somewhat low on money. Thank you!
Edit: my budget is 30 dollars or less.
12:00 "Oh I would have had you if you just waited for 5 turns without doing anything" I laughed so hard, the truth has been spoken!!
Also, on soul absorption/ pot "combo". Pot of desires is good because it is a +1, which is to say you give up 1 card for 2. If you turn that into a +0 for lufepoints, it's really bad
I’ll admit; I do have trouble with surface level analysis from time to time. However, I do look deeper, it’s just not always, and I’m aware of that. That is just because of how I play, though. I would never help an actual competitive player deck build or combo because I know I would not be helpful for them and would give faulty advice
The reason why good-decent strategies are good is because they are easy to execute in the first place. Sky strikers for an example, they are pretty decent because most of the time, you are going to be able to link summon and search cards on your first time, actually, you are more likely to get a hand in which you can, than a hand where you cant
Wait, question on the Desires-Part.
I have read that, when a card is banished face-down, it does not count for cards that interact with banished cards, as it is not public knowledge.
So when you banish Soul Absorption, wouldn't it NOT trigger, because the opponent it has to be banished face-down?
What do you think, would the +5000 ne viable in an older, slow formate or still be too inconsistant and bricky?
applying competitive strategies to casual decks is my biggest hobby when it comes to YGO. For some archetypes it doesn't work... tindangles can't win half their games no matter what strategy you employ, for instance, but every so often you discover an archetype that, while far from meta, really, really shines in a casual setting, like Amazoness. Seriously, remembering how memetically terrible amazoness was when I stopped playing YGO the first time, it blows my mind how amazing they can be in casual play now.
Remember kids, always check the dictionary for Yu-Gi-Oh! Rulings and always bring Crystal Beasts to Regionals or above!
And MST negates
And Obelisk is unaffected by everything.
Which yugioh simulator do you recommend to know which combo has a statistically significant chance of execution in tornament?
As an idea for a follow up, and one which i'd really appreciate among I imagine others is how to build a competitive deck with cards that synergize well and maybe use a "Bad" archetype as an example of how to make such a deck better. Just an idea.
okay i have a (dumb) question. if you look at the picture of the slifer or soul absorption, there's 1st edition on the bottom of the card instead of under the picture on the card. is that normal? i noticed like half my cards have that writing on the bottom and half in the middle. are the cards like fake?
surface level analysis:
set appropriate
play gift of greed -> draw 4 cards
play dark bride -> draw 2 cards + destroy a spell/trap
play cup of ace -> draw 4 or 2 (depending on coin)
hey dzeef can you reverse the order of the videos in the beginner playlist, because i often tell begginners to watch this playlist but i have to tell them to watch it in reverse because the playlist begins with the more complex videos.
Well the idea of building a deck is,what board do I need to win and then search for cards that suppirt you going there.Make a mind map of interactions between these cards.The more interaction there is between all of your cards the better.
What I learned from deck building in 4 games for more than 10 years is that when you come up with weird combos like this, you keep them in the back of your mind.
Then, when you find a card/cards that would make a certain strategy possible, you have a tool box of combos that you can go back to and build a deck out of it. For instance, if you ever find a card that makes a strategy based on gaining life points possible, you know that pot of desires can be used to get you 5000 life points.
But for god's sake, don't just go "hey this gets me 5k life, better put it in my deck!"
TLDR: Your deck has ONE strategy. Any card that does not advance that strategy does not go in your deck.
To be honest I wouldn't say I'm bad at the game in the slightest and I've been in the game for a long time so I've definitely got knowledge of the game. The problem I always have is keeping up; just as I get used to a meta and the decks inside it everything changes so I never know where to start or what decks to look at etc.
Im a casual, I play skull servants, heroes, machina, fluffals, and I really want to play a dedicated Daedalus deck, not chaos Daedalus or those other ones just a dedicated water Daedalus deck since it really rocketed me through the gba game duel academy but with the current power creep the deck I used in gx years is far past outdated and in a way so is Daedalus itself. Any ideas? The main effect is to essentially board wipe your opponents monsters by discarding the field spell umi (more commonly legendary ocean) and I believe it's upgrade neo Daedalus wipes the entire board and I believe both players hands? Or was it just the opponents? Either way I really like the cards and I want a way to incorporate them into a modern play style, not competitive, but able to hold its own against rogue decks semi-competently
So after analysing, I preferred Levia Dragon - Daedalus over the bigger Neo-Dragon Daedalus. Neo is a dead card in your hand unless you have Levia on the field, so if you want to run Neo, I'd say you'd need at least two Levia in your deck, and Neo will end up being a more niche use. Neo is kind of a win-more board- and hand-wipe, so you are either looking to stop your opponent in their tracks or finish the game. But Levia does this really well too, excluding hand-wipe, and is much easier to bring out with 'A Legendary Ocean' and has a sizeable attack stat at 2600, while Neo only gives you 300 more. In modern yugioh both are equally vulnerable to hand traps. So my critique is you often won't need Neo over Levia.
hey Mr NotAPackOpeningChannel
i think you did a really good job conveying the correct tone for this vid, so props there. one thing i'm curious about is your perspective of players at a higher level than you, seeing as you seem to focus a lot more on players at the other end of the spectrum. specifically relating to the philosophies and logics behind top level players' deckbuilding, and also the possibility for shortsightedness looking on things from any level of understanding but the very highest; but i'm interested to hear any of your thoughts on the topic, if you have any. hope you see this, peace out!
It would be really interesting if Yugioh were built with more robust mechanics from the start of the game's history so that crazy powerful cards weren't necessary to make a dynamic, interesting game. For instance, Soul Absorption and other lifepoint-gaining effects would have a lot of neat interactions if there were a built-in mechanic to make lifepoints a useable resource, such as giving 1,000 LP to replace a tribute up to the point of, say, sacrificing 8,000 LP to draw one. It fits the game so thematically, too.
Plus, it'd make burn cards a lot more interesting - in a game where the only lifepoint that matters is the last one, burn is either absolute garbage or degenerate FTKs. If lifepoint advantage were an ACTUAL form of advantage, mixed decks with a little burn, a little beatdown etc. could be interesting.
I think one of the best cases for Slifer is Galaxy Tomahawk generating tokens to use as fodder to tribute summon it. This can be done easily in Odd Eyes.
Still bad though.
i have a banish deck that uses soul absorption but it uses Skystarray and cards like Wingtortoise to keep my field open along w/ Temple of the mind eye and rainbow life as a protection for last resort along w/ wall of disruption but this won't apply to TCG but ti's a really cool casual deck if done properly and a okay hand you can sometimes this techique is used in one of my banish decks in "Duel Links" but since these are different formats. i consider myself a competitive casual. what do i mean by that i enjoy being competitive but i also like building decks revolving strats i like and want to try! duel links i feel makes deck building more easier for me. plus i can do it at work on my phone and while in the car w/ my ride on the way to and from work. but as being in the competitive field i really enjoy watching full on meta but i enjoy and like to win Those types of things using decks i create in duel links using my own creativity. i also highly respect those that make high ranks and take their time and life to a game which from watching this video i'm in the grey area of between the two because #1 using decks you like and work well usually doesn't fair well against "META" #2 i don't like using or maining a certain archetype i like reading every card that gets released in duel links and learning and creating my own fun decks to beat players that are newer making it fun for me. but playing against the @dzeeff taught me that he knows exactly what hes doing even though he has a different way of syncing his deck it doesn't always work for me. #3 Play what works for you don't let others tell your deck is no good listen to people advise how to make your current deck better. @dezeeff is one of those people he's helped me but his idea didn't work for me. so it's always important to play what works for you because it's your deck and you as the player put tons of hard work and money into it. #4 utilize as many cards as possible not all cards are bad strats just try to make them better. innovation is a single and team effort. innovation is what got me playing duel links because of the low deck size makes it easy to implement things for me since i take a long time to make true decisions.
to add to this: synergy and your deck are key to utilizing cards properly which is something i learned super late into playing Duel links helps so take your time and collect a lot of cards and have fun. just because it's not rare doesn't mean it's not good. just remember all cards have a use. make sure to take your time and go through your cards and stuff and always try to have a nice deck holster to put them in.
I'm learning how to play the game and want to get good at Duel links. Then Eventually the TCG and suffering a lot because the structure deck I bought Legend of white and all the abilities and the dragons and what not really confuse me, but hopefully I will get there.
Here is what I've learned by watching your videos(for entertainment and not for playing, but there great):
Cards meed to be consistent or so OP that it doesn't matter.
Cards meed to affect the game to be good(canceling opponents effects etc.)
Cards need to be good on there own and good with other cards.
Combos that don't affect the game yet tale 2 or 3 cards are terrible, but combos that take half your deck but gain card advantage and lock down the opponent or protect you are great.
Monsters need protection effects and effects that affect the game to be viable boss monsters.
Cards that depend on stupid opponents are terrible.
Life points are of little value.
Tempo is super important and is what made deagon rulers dominate.
Slow cards are terrible.
As an extremely casual player who almost exclussively plays gimmick decks (I main Bakura in Duel Links with a Legendary Maju Garzet focus), I realize how bad Infinite Cards with Slifer is... I only use it for Exodia's deck, which is already bad enough, but it ends up being fun if you pull it off
My favorite combo which would never work was to get chaos zone and soul absorption on the field, take 3000 damage and then activate Inferno tempest and banish all the monsters in everyone's decks and graveyard. Chaos zone would get a lot of counters and you would gain the lifepoints back and be able to summon all the monster you wanted.