Growing clover! Fall vs. spring planting? Side by side comparison!
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Here is exactly what you will find to be the difference between planting your Clover in the fall or in the spring!
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Watch us mow this clover for hay!
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Where can I get clover seed cheap?
@@salenebrom6476 I don’t know if there is such a thing LOL
@@McGieHomesteadAdventures of course
Sorry for the bother
No bother whatsoever!
Man what a beautiful thick clover field!
It’s my favorite clover!
Wow, that red clover is STUNNING!!! I bet the bees are sooooo happy!!
Absolutely! They love working!😁
I remember in the 50s-60s when that red clover grew beside all the highways in Mississippi - gorgeous!
Absolutely!
At 2:08 I yelled “wow” and my husband said WHAT and I showed him! That’s beautiful! Thank you so much for making this video!
It’s really that beautiful in full bloom! People will lock up their breaks and look at it!😂😂😂
Farmers are awesome!
Besides this video telling me exactly what I needed to know, that shot of you hoppin outta the truck is too funny.
Thanks 😂😂😂
I’d be thrilled hopping about with a crop that nice
Save your own seed, my great great granddad started saving his seed way before the depression and avoided much as a result. My family were very successful farmers and this was before irrigation.
Absolutely! That’s great!
That's awesome! What state do you live in?
I’m turning a portion of my grass yard into clover. Your video helped me decide to wait til this Fall to plant it. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Glad I could help!
Next fall put your crimson clover in with some combination of winter wheat, rye, oats, forage radish etc. The non-legume crop's demand for nitrogen is signalled to the clover or other legume, which causes the clover to fix much larger nitrogen nodules that what it normally does to supply its own needs. My wheat done this way grew taller than an ax handle and the clover climbed the wheat stalks like poison ivy going up a tree. The clover was over my knee when i crimped it down for a cover residue to plant into for soil regeneration.
When paired your yield per acre will go way up from the synergy of the rhizophagy cycle between species. Itll put out some fine hay and grow great corn with low inputs the following season.
Good video bud, God bless
Oh I love that information!!! Thanks so much!!! I’ll definitely do that!!!
Wow. This is exactly what I was thinking. The synergy and signals should maximize the nutrients. And I just need to watch and appreciate the life.
univ of tennessee ag extension has a document called "fall cover crop and planting dates in Tennessee" that covers trials in 08 and 09. The cliffnotes is that mid sept to mid oct was best timeframe for maximum establishment and tonnage per acre. Outside that range things suffered considerably.
If planted in that range the highest crop output by far was triticale and winter pea at 5300lbs per acre when seeded at 60lbs per acre each i believe. They only tested monocrops and dual crops, no 3 or more way blends. Dual species almost always outproduced mono species unless the timing was outside of the optimal window. By november its pretty late and in that case rye & white clover was top combo for biomass with pure triticale right behind it.
This past season i had a great outcome with fall seeded winter wheat, crimson clover and austrian winter peas. It was very dense, allowed zero weeds and reached 30 inch tall when i cut it off may 28th. I kept pure crimson clover on the edges for pollinators and it is heavy with dense red flowers right now. Best bee showing ive ever had and will make a habit of that.
That test bed got seeded to a many-way summer cover just to see what happens, and ive discovered a light mulch capping of rank hay and fresh grass from my mower bagger has dramatically improved germination, probably by preventing sun scald and dryout on the emergent seedlings. I dunno but im thrilled!
@@certifiedhoarder this is good info. My crop is always done by end of September. Last year, I bucketed my soil in the shed. Now, I can leave it out and let the clovers do their job and get nitrogen. Hopefully, it will have enough nitrogen for the season.
@@certifiedhoarder last year, I can tell the sun was burning my soil fast. I just added some grass clippings to mines like you. Some shade is probably better than none for the soil.
Just based on this guy's accent I am inclined to believe literally anything he says.
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@@McGieHomesteadAdventureswhere are ya. I wanna try the same think but I’m up in Ohio. I want to get my timing right but October here is probably different than October where you are?
Crimson clover is not the same as other clovers. It’s taller and has poor heat tolerance. It’s considered a cool weather clover. It’s supposed to be planted in the fall, overwintered, and then will begin growing again after the last frost. That’s why the fall planted field looks perfect. If you need to plant in the spring, opt for regular red clover. It’s a shorter clover with better heat tolerance.
Sounds good! I tried that, but it was red clover from Alberta and a single cut variety…… it didn’t survive
@@McGieHomesteadAdventures I recommend “Medium Red Clover,” I usually get it from Johnny’s or Urban Farmer.
What about white clover ?
I’ve had good success growing all three varieties together. But I’m growing very small plots in the desert southwest, trying to rehabilitate some very abused soil from the previous property owners. They scraped the surface bare every year as weed control. So only weeds will grow in it. I’m doing cool weather planting but this year I’m going to try combining sorghum/Sudan grass in with a plot. It’s an annual grass that is drought tolerant and tall. I’m hoping that it’ll shade the clover and the clover will benefit the grass.
That's a huge difference! Thank you for posting this. It helps make a big decision for planting times for clover.
I’m glad it helps! Thanks for the kind words!
Very good information. Thank you for conducting this test, and sharing the results with us.
You’re absolutely welcome!
IMPRESSIVE CLOVER STAND TO INCREASE "N" INTO THE SOIL. GREAT JOB!
A beautiful field of clover is hard to beat!
I followed your method and got great results. Will be planting white and red clover all over this fall. I'm gonna clear with pigs, plant in Oct, scythe and bale hay in spring, then bring in the pigs again, then plant corn/barley/sunflower/oats.
Fantastic! I’ve never seen a better method!
i LOVE the smell of crimson clover. unreal the difference.. well worth fall planting.
Paige family Homestead Our Journey back Thanks! I was very happy with this experiment!
Thank you. I planted red and yellow arrow-leaf clover last October. It is doing great today, just like yours. Just BTW, I planted about 3,500 square feet that would have been a wasted weed place in a bee flower mix, and I'll probably put some red clover in there just for looks.
Oh that’s awesome! That’ll be great for everyone!
Thank you! It is mid October now, and I've got a bag of dutch white and a little bit of red to throw around my yard. Creating a food forest!
Awesome!!!!
I learned a lot. Especially, I did not know they made hay out of clover. I thought it was alfalfa.
Alfalfa is better for hay than clover.
The flowers are so nice to look at and so beneficial. I agree we should be saving our own seeds, crazy they tried to stop us getting seeds! I learned so much from this today 👍
Thanks Jo! I’m planting my fall clover right now like crazy!
@Truth Seeker No you should be fine. I would do it!
Thx for your video. I saw this video last summer and followed your advice. My pasture looks like a picture post card now. Incredible stand of clover.
Awesome!!! I’m really excited to hear this!!!
Thanks, useful! I'm in the UK and decided to give crimson clover a shot this year (crimson relatively unusual in UK), planted them last month and they're coming up nicely. Just for bees etc, I'm not a farmer :)
That’s really wonderful! I believe that you will like it a lot! Let me know how it goes my friend!!
Thank you for the informative video! Also, I salute your work as a farmer. Feeding the world
Thanks David……. Wish I could do more!
Dang you ain't kiddin that was night and day difference. Good too know once I get my land hopefully by next year.
Ivey's Forge & Homestead I really like crimson clover!
I wondered what those little red stalks growing all over east Texas were. I had no idea it was clover.
If that’s what it is that’s a very good thing!
Thanks for the info. Just like turf grass, much better to seed in the fall than the spring so that it gets roots established before the spring growing season.
Absolutely!!
I'm from Arkansas I was going to wait till spring to plant them, but I might as well plant them next month. Hopefully I can get some seeds sooner. I can't believe I'm just finding out today the clover is a nitrogen fixer. I wish I would have known sooner.
Yes absolutely plant as soon as you can. There’s plenty of moisture in the soil now.
Great video. You convinced me to plant year round. Thanks, sir.
Awesome! Good luck!
Great video! Thank you for posting. I just planted a red clover lawn in a small area in my backyard. I wish I had planted in the fall after seeing your video.
Hopefully it will do fine!
Beautiful fall clover. The seads, yes that. Have a good day Michael.
Makk is Looking Thanks Kim!
You are welcome. :)
I'm looking for info for micro clover for a lawn, but man, is that clover beautiful! Thank you!
Thanks! It would work better if the flower beds as it is tall
Awesome information! I’ll definitely plant some clover this fall. Good video. Keep up the good work
Homesteading Cheaper By The Dozen Thanks bro! This was very interesting to me!
Those flowers on it are pretty. Would make for a nice background for a family picture. We were going through old pictures and found some of you and your dad on a duck hunt. You were about 6-7. Looks just like your boys now. Chris is going to send them your way.
BOOTS AND BONNETS WITH CHRIS & CHRISTY Awesome! I’ll never forget the good ole days!!!
You got the plan and I pray the weather is fine for you to go through with it. The Fall clover looks awesome. 🌽
Stan Mack Thanks my man Stan!
That's a beautiful patch of clover .
I think so too! I really enjoy growing it every year!!!
I planted red clover last fall. Not for the nitrogen but because the flower is medicinal. Can't wait to see how mine turn out when the warmer weather gives them a good start! 👍 The crimson is beautiful though!
Thanks! I’m sure yours will be awesome!!
I go heavy with the nitrogen fixers and will get a fall grazing and a some cutting in certain areas. The following spring I'm able to graze it again and let it recover enough to plant right into it, and mechanically terminate it without any tillage or chemicals. If next spring crop is going to be a non legume crop, I'll mix a lot of cereal rye into the bunch. It's such a great weed suppressor. I love the root system on the annual rye better, but it doesn't mechanicaly terminate as well in my experience.
Good hands on experience is highly valuable!
Man, THAT'S helpful knowledge. MANY thanks for sharing what you have learned.
The blossom sure are beautiful!! Here in Texas we'll try to plant some in our backyard to try it out. Love your video!
They really are beautiful! Thanks my friend!
Awesome job McGie!!! I have ALWAYS wondered this about about planting clover, I fixing to move bees on neighbors crimson, I hear you on the seeds too,mine getting old, so bought more heirloom this year
Baddest Bees Awesome! Those bees will be happy!
@@McGieHomesteadAdventures love this channel btw one of my new favorites
Baddest Bees Thanks so much!
Cool stuff. Thank you for saving the earth. You’re a great guy!
I’m just living the way we’re intended to live……. As for the earth, she’s a goner!😂
Great, i think I'm outa questions for now. Thanks alot for all your help!
You’re absolutely welcome and I’m so happy that I can help!
Thank you brother. That's what I'm doing in the fall
Great !!!👍
In a city in Utah about to face another fierce drought. Our snowpack is down 65% & water tables are real low. Had to solar lawn in the back. Over run with thorny weeds. Most of the weeds are gone. Now to add nitrogen to super neglected lawn with major run off. At some point there was a mechanic shop in the back and the lawn was extremely unhealthy. I was told I could produce $5000 worth of food just in my backyard. But first we need to stop the run off and get it healthy. This year I can plant the clover. I'm worried it won't grow. Nothing seems to grow but weeds. Hopefully it will and then I will also plant some in the fail as well. Thanks for this very informative video
Fertilize it for the first while…. To give it a fighting chance.
@@McGieHomesteadAdventures wow thanks for responding. 😊
The field is pretty.
I’ve been saving seeds for my garden. As a matter of fact I saved some seeds from a particularly hot yellow pepper I got in the mail. They are growing well too.
Brian Philbrook Awesome!!! I’m very happy about that!!!
Great video! Very intelligent farmer!
Cool video. I put clover in with brassica and cereal grains in fall. Over winters and deer lover it late March through July.
That’s awesome!🤜🤛
Hello from Brooklyn, NYC. Thank for this information. 🙌😄❤🙏🏻 Your Bees 🐝 look soooo busy. Heehee.
Thanks so much! We love the 🐝!!!
Mines coming up. I had to go online to be sure what the sprouts look like. And now I'm excited knowing I can start some more in October too!!!! God Bless those 🐝. Thanks, you're sure to help many people.
I need to plant clover for my bees, thanks for the info
Anytime bud!
If you're not farming, a healthy strip of perennial dutch clover is excellent foe bees. Mow it down if too tall, it blooms again. It will choke out weeds. It will be invasive.
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Wow that’s very nice of you!
You have the best videos on UA-cam!
Very high compliment my friend!!!
Great advice throughout this video!
I love that you've shown and explained the results of both planting seasons.
Great job!
The only people that wouldn't find this video of much importance are those folks sucking on the government tit, and are dumb enough to believe that that tit will never dry up.
I totally agree with that! I’m glad we made this video!
I’m going to plant white clover for my honey bees.
Awesome!
I have a tiny 30x30 garden, and I'm now considering doing a fall crop of clover. Our soil is very dense and full of clay so I think this might really help enrich it when I till it under in the early spring. This year was such a harsh year with all the dry heat, and I didn't get much of a harvest. Going to invest in some shade cloth to help with that. I appreciate the comparison you give here, it really helped out my information gathering. Heck, some seed might "accidentally" find its way to the median in front of our house. Can't have too many pollinators!
Oh my! I love the way you think! It’s a beautiful thing to have just about anywhere, and the bees will take full advantage of it!
I wouldn't till it under..you'll just be burying the good top soil you're creating with your cover crop..use a disc instead
From your vlog I have learnt! I always thought that to put nitrogen that helps planting crops later in the land came from the decaying plant and now from your vlog I learn that it is the root system that is more helpful. God bless
janet cutler Yes that’s exactly right!
You hit the nail on the head sir! Uncle Sam is not looking out for us, why grow plants when you can run around three sheets in the wind!
Exactly!
Thank you! That was terrific!
You’re welcome!
There was a big difference in the 2 plantings . I hope your able to bale that off for some good hay .
Aaric Hale Thanks bro! Me too!
So we have established that clover looks better the second year. Thanks.
i love you dude! thank you! blessings to you and your family!
Thanks so much! You’re absolutely welcome!!
great info it's december but still warm here in georgia i may try this before it gets cold for a small area in my yard
Yes it would be awesome!
Man the clouds were so preety....and all the green ...l just love seeing your video 🔥❤️🔥🔥
Yara Yara Thanks so much! Our clouds are very low today!
Thanks for the video
Our pleasure!
Thank you sir! I was looking for this exact information. Thank you very much!👍👍👍
You’re very welcome!
Clear and concise info
Thanks my friend!
Ok, thanks!
Thank you.
You’re absolutely welcome!
Thank you! I really enjoyed this video! - I decided to plant in both the spring and fall. My only purpose is for the bees. Great!
You’re welcome! I’m sure the bees will greatly enjoy it!!! I’ve got an Amazon link in the descriptions of this video where you can get it in 50# bags!
@@McGieHomesteadAdventures Thank you! I will do that for future purposes. I've already purchased my seed, and just bought the inoculant. But I will try to use your Amazon site in the future! ☺️☕
How do you broadcast your seed? I’ve tried several different times of seeders and finally found a good one!
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Thanks for the comparison. found you on the FB group. Great channel.
Tinyhome deals Thanks so much! I always sub back!
It's middle of October and my crimson clover I planted in hanging baskets this spring are just blooming , the red flowers can be lastly food for the bees
That’s awesome!! Thanks Cynthia!!
The difference is absolutely amazing! That Crimson Clover is not so common up here. Seems like Red Clover the clover of choice up here in Saskatchewan. You have a beautiful thick crop for sure! Hope the weather starts to cooperate for you Brother.
The CAMO Cowboy Outdoors Thanks bro!
I actually just planted Crimson Clover and Daikons yesterday, 08/02/22, as a cover in one of my earlier spring wheat patches. (which I harvested last week)
I need some biodrilling and my spring wheat showed signs of N deficiency.
I'm also using CC as a quick cover crop to prevent weeds so soon after I harvested my spring wheat.
When the clover and daikons are finished (I'm mowing them down no later than mid-November) I'm going to try planting CC and winter wheat together.
I'm also leaving the daikons in the ground to let them compost in place, to help tilth of the heavy clay soil.
You have a great plan brother!
@@McGieHomesteadAdventures I also have a large chunk of my land overrun with Creeping Charlie. Charlie seems to be dying back now, but I'm going to mow it down one last time this year then seed it with crimson clover, let it flower, then chop and drop it in place to see if successive generations of Crimson Clover can choke out and outgrow the charlie. If it works I'm going to apply that strategy to other parts of my field.
You’ll want to make sure the seed heads are dried out good before implementing the chop and drop procedure……. Otherwise your new seed will rot instead of germinating.
Makes so much sense!!!! Thank you!!!!
You’re welcome!
Clover is great stuff! I bet it makes great hay!
Homestead Aquarius ViewMaster I’m hoping that it will stop raining so I can make some!
thank you for the advise! so autumn clover planting works, great!
Yes indeed!
Looks like fall wins!!! Beautiful clover field buddy! “Nodes of Nitrogen”....hmmmm I WILL use that in a sentence today....
Cruze's Louisiana Outdoors Nodules bro..... nodules!
@@McGieHomesteadAdventures hahaha I stand corrected...I will use "Nodules of Nitrogen" in a sentence today :-)
Cruze's Louisiana Outdoors 😂😂😂
Fall for clover strong enough to reseed itself. Frost sowing if you have to, but sometimes it's all you got due to drought and timing.
Absolutely correct!
This was super helpful. Thank you!
You’re absolutely welcome! I’ve got some great clover videos coming!
I do mid winter in the midwest. I will try fall
Ok that’s awesome! Let me know how it goes! I think you’ll love it!
Just what I needed to know. Thanks :)
Glad to help!
Thanks for the video. I know it's dumb, but I purchased a pound of crimson clover when I was at the feed store the other day because I saw that pollinators liked it. Now I'm trying to figure out where I should grow it on my property and other details about crimson clover maybe I should take into consideration. Sadly looking at your video I see that I'm not going to have the glorious field you have here since I will just now be planting for spring, (um never mind that I don't have near the volume of seed) but it is something to look forward to hopefully down the road. I was shocked to learn that the government had shut down the purchase of seed during the pandemic. I don't recall hearing anyone talk about it on the news either. That just doesn't make a lick of sense, which only proves that the pointy-headed people in the government don't have their heads on straight. If there is a way to make life harder for people, leave it up to them. I look forward to checking out the rest of your videos and God bless you .
If you have a bed or fence line that can be tilled it would be awesome!
@@McGieHomesteadAdventures I don't have fields to plant in . I have about five and a half acres, but it's mostly all wooded. Thus the reason I only have one pound of the crimson clover seed. I do have a decent amount of cleared area around the house that can get quite a bit of sunshine during the day. Haha but yeah I don't have equipment for tilling, just my self :) I thought just perhaps a smallish plot of it? As you can see I definitely need to do more research, but I thought it would be fun and hopefully beneficial to the pollinators. I will be sure to let you know how it goes and see what I need to turn myself into a tiller of sorts :) Thanks Mr McGie for the encouragement!
@@vickigower8125 Definitely don’t sweat it! It will germinate if it gets good contact with the soil. You could probably just weed eat an area really close to the dirt and do ok!
Thanks for info man. Have a nice crop seson.
Thanks, you too!
Thank you for your insight !
You’re absolutely welcome!
Thanks! you gave me some great tips and ideas. My white clover seeds should arrive this week. I’m going to use them in October instead of this week. I needed something to protect and give nitrogen. But, I can and need to wait.
Clover is such a wonderful plant! I just can’t get enough of it! I’m going to try some different experiments with it this year!
I put it down in fall as well and get similar results.
Awesome!
Big difference. Thanks for the info
You’re welcome bro! We got camp dog in tomorrow’s video!
Great video! exactly what I needed to know
Awesome!
Fantastic video! Thank you!
You’re welcome!
Very helpful 😎👍
Glad it was helpful!
As soon as I heard your accent, I thought you must be near me (Fentress Co)! Great information for me to know when to plant this. Thanks!
Ah! Only one county east!
I hope you got some bees on it while it was in bloom. Looks good though. I got some for mine but I'll wait until fall to plant after this video.
Absolutely! Our neighbors bees were very happy!
Very informative video thanks a lot
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much for this video! I have tons of white clover around the property and I always save a ton of seeds and broadcast them as i go, but I honestly never knew when the best time to do that was. I just got an order of crimson seeds in, so I will probably go ahead and plant it for this spring and then purchase more for fall planting in other areas. This video was super helpful in visually understanding the difference it makes. I do wonder... what if I tossed them out while it's still cold? (It's January as I write this and our last frost isn't until mid-April, so we still have a while!) I haven't found much info online about how many actual chill hours they need though, so I have no idea if broadcasting them right away would be as good as if I'd done so in the fall. Maybe I could do a small test patch and see!
Here’s a video about frost sowing clover by Dr Grant Woods that I think will be extremely helpful! ua-cam.com/video/xpwOZGdkoBM/v-deo.html
@@McGieHomesteadAdventures thank you! I will check it out! I'm agonizing over whether to try to use this Crimson seed I have for my corn rows this year (small farm-I'll have maybe 5 rows of about 20 plants). I've been trying to naturally kill off the Bermudagrass since last year because it competes with the corn too much. I'm worried that if I go ahead and spring sow the Crimson seeds, I'll probably still be dealing with weeds and if they get too tall, I can't cut anything until the clover goes to seed! I'm also worried that too many weeds will still grow still and hinder the corn. But I'm thinking I may try it anyway because worst case, I mow and miss out on future clover seeds, but I still get a jump start on helping the nitrogen. Decisions decisions! Lol. Now that I've learned about sowing them in the fall being better, I certainly plan to buy a lot more this fall and broadcast it all. And I think imm do white clover for the corn and melon areas so it stays short.
It’s really a balancing act! And you can do exactly the same thing and get vastly different results. It takes a lot of faith and hope to put those seeds out there!!😂
If you have 50# of seeds you can keep some back for overseeding after you see how thick your stand is.
I only have 1lb right now lol. I'm just working with an area about 20x20 feet and I'm completely new at clover so I have no idea how much I actually need.
The recommended amount is very little….. I always go much thicker because the objective is to cover the ground!
Thanks !
Anytime bro!
I see some beautiful photos, It looks like a dream👁️👁️📸 !!!Your tips are always useful ... thanks :))
Maria Maria Thanks so much Alina!!!
I wish we were neighbors. My bees would love you.
Yes they would! I would love them too!!!
Looking at that Fall clover you should have plopped some bee hives down in the center of that field.
My neighbor has bees that come over 😜😎
Great info thank you
You are absolutely welcome!
thanks
You’re welcome!
Thx for this video bud!
Glad to help!