GOZNEY Arc XL vs OONI Koda 16 - Pizza Oven Comparison

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  • @mikeprytherch8875
    @mikeprytherch8875 8 місяців тому +22

    Time between pizza is a must with a comparison, how long does it take for the stone to get back up to speed before cooking the next pizza

    • @Name-jw4sj
      @Name-jw4sj 3 місяці тому

      Both are similar. You are going to need like two minutes.

  • @Ecohen52784
    @Ecohen52784 8 місяців тому +3

    Hands down the Gosney ARC XL, the ooni Koda 16 looks like a. Portable oven as the Gosney very professional looking. I have the Koda 16 and it’s great but the Gosney ARC XL is definitely my next oven. I recently purchased the SoLo Pi Prime after watching your review and love this oven but limited to 12” pizzas, that is ok because I really very rarely make a pie larger than 12” . Thanks Tom for a great comparison. 🙏💕

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому

      Thank you for watching and for your comment 🙂

    • @j_merlotte5467
      @j_merlotte5467 7 місяців тому

      Hey @ecohen52784 - hoping you can give me some advice. I've had my koda 12 for a couple years and simply want more space to use a peel and ease of use (its too easy to scorch the crust). I can get a koda 16 at 20% off ($480), or ... the solo pi prime for $300 seems VERY impressive. You mention you really like the solo... I'm not sure I"ll make pizzas bigger than 12" so I'm ok with the solo size. The flame on the solo seems better distributed than my koda 12, and the wider opening seems great for using a peel. Thoughts on solo vs koda 16 at these price points? I could spring for the gozney arc but don't think I'll find it worth it... at $699

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  7 місяців тому

      Both pi prime and Koda 16 are great ovens, but if you’re not worried about having 16” size the Koda 16 is quite big and will take up a lot of room, it will also use more gas heating up an area that isn’t being used. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Koda 16, but I often use for parties and cooking NY style pizza, u think for you the pi prime will do just fine and save you space and money too

  • @P1Fanatic
    @P1Fanatic 6 місяців тому +3

    Nice review although agree that it would have been good to see temps between cooks. Ive owned a Koda 12 for 5 yrs and it hasnt missed a beat and it was very portable as kept in my garage when not in use. I just won an Arc XL bundle in a online comp and it looks big especially with the full size stand so will have to stay outside. Excited to see how it compares to the Ooni.

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  6 місяців тому

      What a great prize to win! That’s awesome mate congrats! The arc XL and table is quite large I have to keep mine outside

  • @Espiritiv
    @Espiritiv 4 місяці тому +2

    Heat up time is relative to thickness of stone. Gozney is 15mm and Ooni is 12mm. So you would expect a lower temp on the thicker stone when measuring in 10 min later. Thicker stone stays hotter easier. This may be why the Gozney uses much less fuel to keep running. I just hope the Gozney goes on sale soon!

  • @cliff4377
    @cliff4377 19 днів тому

    The Ooni is also available in a natural gas version, so it will be substantially cheaper for me to run vs buying and refilling a propane tank in my area, the XL website says "Arc is certified and set up for use with Propane only and we cannot advise on its use or conversion for natural gas."

  • @emiliodechiro6108
    @emiliodechiro6108 8 місяців тому

    Good morning Tom, I have just seen Ooni have launched the new Koda 2 24" inch, what are your first impressions, my own opinion is that its compeating with the Gosney arc xl

  • @ravender730
    @ravender730 23 дні тому

    Although it takes double the time for the Gozney to heat up, it is significantly more cost efficient though... meaning you save more money doing so. Also, why didn't you cover the opening during heating?

  • @emiliodechiro6108
    @emiliodechiro6108 8 місяців тому

    Hi Tom I would prefer the koda, I have the 12 and happy with that , but I want commend you in cooking the pizzas in the wind well done .....

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому +1

      Yes the wind with gas ovens can be a bit challenging!

  • @alfieakaronaldog
    @alfieakaronaldog 5 місяців тому

    Great videos 😉
    Am just starting to use my Karu 12 again, but thinking a Koda 16 is worth getting now as some good prices.
    Bigger size, no door, and only one turn seems fantastic.
    Gas is much better taste wise than I imagined for BBQ’s, so guessing it’s probably the same for pizza ovens.

  • @haohuynh4405
    @haohuynh4405 6 місяців тому +2

    In australia the gozney xl is $500 more then the koda 16, $500 is the cost of a koda 12. Is the arc xl worth 500 more then the koda 16 if just cooking neapolitan pizza?

    • @juryfilanti
      @juryfilanti 5 місяців тому +1

      to be honest for naapolitan the Arc not XL is more than enough, in Australia is 200$ cheaper and it's capable of 14" when this style of pizza is usually around 10 to 12"

  • @waynebelloir7343
    @waynebelloir7343 8 місяців тому

    Hi Tom
    I like the gozney arc for its gas power. I like the karu 12 and 16 for wood.you had some wind in your video so probably would have used the karu .they are all good ovens

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому

      Yeah it was windy and both ovens held up really well considering!

  • @Bevieevans8
    @Bevieevans8 8 місяців тому

    I like the look of the arc, but I have the Karu 12 and love it. I use my Karu with gas and it cooks great. Your pizza launching is good, have you changed your dough recipe recently?

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому +1

      Not really, this was a new recipe I was testing out from the Ken Forkish book, but it wasn’t proofed enough as I had to cut the proof short to film this video before the storm came!

  • @seanwillans
    @seanwillans 8 місяців тому

    Hi Tom, where did you buy your table from which the Ooni is on.

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching! It’s the Ooni folding table available on their wensite

  • @alfieakaronaldog
    @alfieakaronaldog 5 місяців тому

    As the Koda 16 heats up so quickly, I would have thought the running costs are actually better than quoted if you are spending 20 minutes extra getting the other one up to temp to potentially spend only 5 minutes cooking two or three pizzas.
    The quick heating of the Koda 16 also seems to negate the need to get a thicker stone (but I not the expert here 😉).
    Love the idea of only turning once in the Koda 16 v three times in single heat source ovens.

  • @MrToast-hj6kp
    @MrToast-hj6kp 8 місяців тому +1

    Another good video. I built my own pizza oven during lockdown based on a gym ball method. Ooni were in their early days. It went in the a recent garden revamp. Learnt a lot. I am in the market for another oven and definitely want wood\charcoal but interesting to see how gas rates. I think designers need to put door on all these as so much heat is lost. I did have a very good pizza in a pub in Bicester, the Angel which was made in a gas oven but just love the wood smell. The trouble was I was thinking Ooni but then you reviewed the Glowen and from having a traditional oven I like the side oven but Ooni is more portable.

    • @RickyT15
      @RickyT15 Місяць тому

      The standard Gozneys have a door accessory option along with others, same with its dual burner versions. Its only the arc XL doesn't cause of the different entry shape currently anyway.

  • @Bananaros
    @Bananaros 5 місяців тому

    You believe is ok to use the arc dome indoor but with a good ventilation? I am thinking about my bar and I have a 2m doors open all the time .

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  5 місяців тому

      Using a gas oven indoors is never recommended by the manufacturer, even though it would probably be ok, it’s what they all say

  • @biglittlebirdie450
    @biglittlebirdie450 8 місяців тому

    Why is there such a big difference in the temperature gauge on the Gozney vs. what you measured ? Is there an area on the stone that the temperature reading on the Gozney is accurate ?

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому +1

      Probably ambient temp and stone temp

  • @P1Fanatic
    @P1Fanatic 6 місяців тому

    I will admit I had a Koda 12 for 5 years and never thought of poking finger through the bottom to release the stone 😂 every day is a school day so thanks for that tip 👏

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  6 місяців тому +1

      Just make sure the stone cools down first!! 👉🏻🔥

  • @marctannenbaum9260
    @marctannenbaum9260 8 місяців тому

    This is a nicely done , helpful comparative. But it invites the Bertello “16 into the fray. The latter heats up even faster than Ooni because the flame is underneath the ( thick) stone. But the real advantage is being able to easily add wood and cook with both sources at the same time, adding a bit of smokiness. The flame from the wood crosses the low oven roof. Bertello is not a looker ( industrial )but it’s hard to see why one would choose either of these options over it ,save for aesthetics.

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching and for the comment! I have reviewed the Bertello oven before, did you check out that video?

  • @MrJKDRob
    @MrJKDRob 7 місяців тому

    Koda 16 owner here, I’m tempted to sell and get the Arc XL based on the build quality, please I think less reheating time between cooking additional pizzas

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  7 місяців тому +1

      I think based on what I’ve tried, the Koda looses heat in the stone quicker but re heats quicker, the Arc XL can cook more without dropping temp, but takes longer to re heat

  • @_ImReever
    @_ImReever 7 місяців тому

    I have the Koda 16 is the Arc XL a noticeable upgrade? Watched this comparison multiple times and cant decide

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  7 місяців тому +1

      For the money i wouldn't say it cooks better pizza, However - the ArcXL stone holds temp for longer as its thicker, and the adjustment on the gas dial is more accurate, so if you're often making more than 8-10 pizzas at a time for parties etc, then it could be a good upgrade for you. If its for just 3-4 pizzas at a time for regular family events, then i think you won't see much difference

    • @_ImReever
      @_ImReever 7 місяців тому

      Thanks Tom 👍🏻 @TomVoyageuk

  • @Bobocobra
    @Bobocobra 8 місяців тому

    Hey, do you use a mixer if so what kind of mixer?

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому +1

      Actually I’m looking at a new mixer at the minute, but have been using a kitchen aid. The kitchen aid is good but struggles with dough over 1kg or low hydration. I’m considering a sun mix or famag spiral dough mixer

    • @ruvamsi
      @ruvamsi 5 місяців тому

      @@TomVoyageuk Have you chosen a mixer? The options you mentioned seem too niche for most of us. I've been looking at the Ankarsrum

  • @ruudvankorven3730
    @ruudvankorven3730 8 місяців тому

    I have a Ooni Karu 12g and when using with the gas burner I have quite some build up of soot on the roof inside of the oven. Is this the same with Koda ovens? Sorry for the off topic question but im very curious to your experience with this!

    • @danlikesskiing
      @danlikesskiing 7 місяців тому

      No soot build up on my koda 16 gas unit .. 3 years of use now

    • @blkcc1
      @blkcc1 4 місяці тому

      Sorry to resurrect an old post however, on my Koda 16, it has almost no internal soot. I've had it for about 4-5 years, I got it when it first came out. I clean it every once in a while and it only has a very small amount of reddish brown residue, enough to dirty a rag but not enough to use anything more than a damp rag. I use an old smaller air bake cookie sheet that has no other purpose, as a door, to hold in heat when preheating. If I don't allow enough airflow and block the doorway with the cookie sheet, it will start to soot as the fresh oxygen level is hindered. After looking at the Karu 12g, maybe make sure the chimney is open to allow the proper airflow so the flame burns cleaner. Just an idea.

  • @quattro4944
    @quattro4944 8 місяців тому

    Any of you got a problem with fire being randomly blowed away during the windy days in ooni ?

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому

      This was a very windy day and I didn’t have any problems with either oven, just face them away from the wind blowing directly into the oven

  • @robintaberner
    @robintaberner 8 місяців тому

    Love the Ooni. I’m always faithful to the Ooni brand.
    Have you ordered your Koda 24 yet Tom?

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому +1

      I don’t think it’s even been given a release date for pre order yet? But I’ll certainly be getting one as soon as it launches!

    • @robintaberner
      @robintaberner 8 місяців тому

      @@TomVoyageuk it’s probably me got it wrong, I thought release date was 1st May, that’s when you can probably pre order. 👍👍👍👍👍

  • @Francky74
    @Francky74 7 місяців тому

    Bravo Tom 👌😉👍

  • @bjjbrawler1
    @bjjbrawler1 7 місяців тому

    The Gozney is sexy! I have no experience with that oven, but I have owned an Ooni Koda 16 for years now and I really like it. It has that Ooni "hot spot" in the rear left corner but it's manageable.

    • @oliverbucher9965
      @oliverbucher9965 7 місяців тому +1

      I have the same experience with the Ooni Koda 16. It's a great oven but the side crust tends to burn somewhat due to the intense heat in the rear left corner. As a result I tend to move the pizza to the front on the right after launching. I feel the top does not always cook enough when doing that. This is the reason I am eying the Arc XL now as it seems to cook more evenly especially on the top.

  • @abusaleh2222
    @abusaleh2222 8 місяців тому

    I believe one side of fire is much better to control and monitor the pizza .

  • @jameshobbs
    @jameshobbs 8 місяців тому

    Ooni is fine on a budget and the results are acceptable from both but Gozney ovens are hands down higher quality equipment. Ooni has had some quality issues in my experience.

  • @yugnok
    @yugnok 7 місяців тому

    I have the Koda 16. Was never impressed with the design. It just didn't seem very well thought out. Might sell it for the Gozney.

  • @JoshGeorge-wj1yn
    @JoshGeorge-wj1yn 6 місяців тому +1

    halo vera 16 is the #1 pizza oven out there

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  6 місяців тому

      Never heard of it?

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  6 місяців тому

      Just googled it, would be an interesting one to try out with that dual heat source

    • @JoshGeorgeReel
      @JoshGeorgeReel 6 місяців тому

      @@TomVoyageukit can’t be beat for NY style or pan pizza, but don’t even try Neapolitan on it, but i mean…who want that anyway haha

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  6 місяців тому

      Looks good I’ll add it to the list of ovens I want to review, maybe from the website looks like USA only?? Hopefully they ship to the UK 🇬🇧

    • @JoshGeorgeReel
      @JoshGeorgeReel 6 місяців тому

      @@TomVoyageuk not sure about shipping but the mistake folks make is they pre heat it for like 20 min like other ovens. Doesn’t need more than 5-8 min since it has the bottom burner. Very key when using it the first time and reviewing.

  • @BrettAltea
    @BrettAltea 8 місяців тому +1

    The Arc XL definitely looks the better oven. I also like that it’s a side burner as when there’s a flame at the back it’s harder to see what it’s doing to your pizza. The quicker heat up time of the other oven would be good though. The Arc with the thicker stone would likely be better for cooking multiple pizzas 🍕

    • @juryfilanti
      @juryfilanti 5 місяців тому

      you can find online doors for the ARC, it reduce the heating time by half

  • @paulob3688
    @paulob3688 2 місяці тому

    the Gozney keeps losing temperature... it cannot necessarily keep the temperature stable

  • @ericmello7686
    @ericmello7686 2 місяці тому

    It's windy as heck. Why are you doing it then?

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  2 місяці тому

      Sadly i don’t have much control
      Over the weather conditions

  • @ShirazRasul-ic6zp
    @ShirazRasul-ic6zp 6 місяців тому

    A thicker stone will always take longer than a thinner one. That one isn't a fair comparison.

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  6 місяців тому +1

      Well it’s fair in the sense these are the two most popular 16” gas powered pizza ovens on the market and people want to know the pros and cons of both before spending money

  • @dougal6569
    @dougal6569 8 місяців тому

    Fundamental difference between Gozney and Ooni. Tom Gozney is designing his ovens to cook largely with stored heat (like the restaurant ovens he started with) whereas the Oonis are (as per the founders’ book) for “Cooking with Fire” - the flame is the thing.
    Result is that the Arc has a faster recovery time before cooking another pizza, but yes it is heavier! Even Gozney’s 12 inch box of rocks is heavier than Ooni’s 16 inches.
    Good to see that the Arc flame was so little affected by all that wind!
    When not fastened to the stand (with the single bolt), others have shown that the Arcs can be lifted (even when hot) by the still-cool handholds on the sides, without any great difficulty.
    Interestingly the Arc heat up time can be halved by using an oven door (though this is not Gozney approved!) That and other interesting comparisons were made by “Some Dads Cook” on UA-cam.
    The same guy demonstrates just how easily the stone can be removed, should that be desired ua-cam.com/video/bV6KOa-ynU0/v-deo.htmlsi=w3YPyFvQyj2v128L in a 30 second video!

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching and commenting

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому

      I took a look at the video you linked, its nice to see the stone can actually be removed, but i still don't like the idea of having to tip the oven over on its side just to do so. It's going to become a problem after a few times of use when cleaning. I like to remove the stone to clean the ovens and remove all the burned bits of flour etc, and i like this to be an easy process. Either way thanks for the link 👍🏻

    • @dougal6569
      @dougal6569 8 місяців тому

      @@TomVoyageuk I don’t think you HAVE to do it that way, but compared to getting the special tool from Gozney, that is a quick and simple means of stone removal.
      The point is that the stone IS removable, easily, should that ever be needed.
      But surely a half hour or so at full flame (at the end of a session) should be adequate to pyrolytically clean the oven and its stone, without needing stone removal?
      While some might think of removing the stone for transport, I suspect that a major interest might be that removability opens up the possibilities of upgrade (to a biscotto?) and cheapish/easy recovery from accidental damage (however caused). The captive stone in the original Gozney Dome precludes those possibilities.
      Just weeks after the release of the Arcs, it is a bit soon to expect appropriate biscottos to be available, but it probably won’t be long.

  • @MrDaeltaja
    @MrDaeltaja 6 місяців тому

    Well we know which one looks better at least. Ooni looks like a cheap Aldi over compared to the sleek Gozney.

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  6 місяців тому

      Thanks for checking out my video

  • @MarianoPerez
    @MarianoPerez 6 місяців тому +2

    At least with little kids, 40 minutes for the arc to heat up for a neapolitan during a weekday is a deal breaker. I would much rather have the arc, but heat up time is too long.

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  6 місяців тому +2

      Fair point! I too have kids that don’t deal well with being hungry! 🤤

    • @juryfilanti
      @juryfilanti 5 місяців тому +1

      you can find doors for the Arc, they reduce the heating time by 50 to 60%

    • @Piekartz
      @Piekartz 5 місяців тому +2

      Maybe it was also because of the wind? But doing prep while it's heating up isn't the worst thing in the world.

    • @Mariannapoling
      @Mariannapoling 25 днів тому

      Exactly. Turn it on, go form your dough and mise en place, make pizza.

  • @giovannibleher5994
    @giovannibleher5994 6 місяців тому

    To be very honest .. Gozney did it better concerning the allover look... looks more identical to Italian pizza

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  6 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching and for the comment

  • @derekcole5593
    @derekcole5593 8 місяців тому

    I don't think that the £600 Gozney is far enough ahead of the £400 Ooni to be a winner.
    I own an Ooni Karu and that does everything I want for the price.

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому

      Good argument, thanks for watching

  • @squidstar111
    @squidstar111 8 місяців тому +1

    Title needs a quick looking at Tom ;)

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому +1

      😮 thanks for letting me know mate! Just changed it!

  • @kbr6783
    @kbr6783 8 місяців тому +2

    Ooni looks like a toy compared to ArcXL; thus why it is much more expensive.

    • @Nclght
      @Nclght 8 місяців тому

      Check out the new Ooni Koda 2 Max ...24 inches with independent burners on left and right. That's a much bigger toy!

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому +1

      Looking forward to trying the Koda 2 Max! Hopefully will be able to get one on release date

    • @EatandTweet
      @EatandTweet 8 місяців тому

      I like the XL but the Dome is better imo.

  • @mattbuk
    @mattbuk 8 місяців тому

    Don’t want to be that guy, but the title needs changing to koda 16 - sorry!!

    • @TomVoyageuk
      @TomVoyageuk  8 місяців тому

      Thanks for the heads up! Someone else mentioned this and I have changed it now! Cheers bro!

  • @JoshGeorgeReel
    @JoshGeorgeReel 7 місяців тому

    Good info but woof on those pizzas

  • @kevinjamesparr552
    @kevinjamesparr552 8 місяців тому

    Gosney

  • @PaulIves1979
    @PaulIves1979 7 місяців тому

    ARC XL all day long!