Could Ryan Crouser BREAK The World Record With The Glide?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Could Ryan Crouser BREAK The World Record Shot Put With The Glide Technique? Throws University Coach Dane Miller breaks down the glide technique of Ryan Crouser and if he never switched to the spin, would he still have the world record?
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One of Ryan's special throws was winning the Oregon state meet with a 66 foot stand throw with a cast on his left foot. (Just helping his high school team score points, he had already thrown 77' earlier that winter indoors.)
Crazy competitor
Agree. Well done.
Thanks
One question I’d like to know the answer to - what could Mike Carter have achieved had he been a full time thrower? Winning an Olympic silver when throwing isn’t even your main sport is insane enough, but as a 6’2 glider to boot?
No one can answer that question-way too many variables. I personally believe that he’d still hold the WR now at 80 or better, but it’s purely an academic discussion. And at the risk of ridicule, I think he could have done it with the glide.
All an unknown. Jordan Geist bettered Carter's age group records for a 16-lb shotput, so Michael may have peaked out early which may also be true with Geist as Geist has been passed by older shotputters that Geist beat regularly a few years ago. The level of competition in Shotput has just skyrocketed in recent years as well. Crouser may have beaten Carter's high school mark if not for a broken foot. But that is all conjecture. Also, in the 1984 Olympics, the Soviet Bloc boycotted (Thank you Jimmy Carter), so Carter may not have medaled at all considering all 3 medalists from the 1983 World Championships threw farther than Carter and were Soviet Bloc athletes. All about circumstances.
@@wayneegli8379also Carter was known as a clean putter and most of those guys were not
I have no problem seeing Crouser consistently over 22+ and pushing 23 with the glide. Physical talent is physical talent, and Crouser has more of it than literally anyone ever with the possible exception of Werner Gunthor. He would throw far with any technique. I would have been interested in seeing Christian Cantwell as a glider, honestly. He had average to mediocre rotational technique most of his career and with his height and supreme upper body strength...maybe the glide would have suited him better? The world will never know.
Hard to say. I'm not sure if Christian would do well with the glide
По - моему, Кантвел толкал с прямых ног. А вращение после стартовового положения произвдил практически их не сгибая, да еще и вертикально держа корпус!
Regardless of whether rotation takes longer to master or not, I think, you can stick with it longer. Imagine throwing the same volume with the glide as you might with the rotation. Then factor in doing that over the period of time that it takes to get to world record potential. I think rotation has the advantage in physics, regardless. But, even just looking at psychology and physiology it's tough to see a glider breaking the world record, unless it is is someone with physical gifts similar to Yao Ming.
But it also comes down to consistency, if the spin technique isn't consistent in competitions then it might have an effect on your performances or winning a competition. At least with the glide for the most part, you can get consistent distances. So I wouldn't count out the glide completely.
QUESTION: Is the skinny guy we see at 0:58 the same large guy we see at 1:03? If so, how in the world can that be? We are not just talking "steroids." We are talking DOUBLING IN SIZE overall. And the arms are THREE TIMES larger. The upper legs must be FOUR TIMES larger! How can that be the same guy?
he was 16 versus 28 and he didn't lift much before college
@@ThrowsUniversity When I was 16 compared to 28, I was 6'3" 280 pounds compared to 6'3" 330 pounds. And my weight dropped to 240 along the way, and back and forth. I did a lot of lifting, so I was very strong at 16. Although I saw very large differences of weight of nearly 100 pounds, the size of the muscles and frame of the body was essentially the same.
In comparison, this guy looks like he didn't lift, eat, or drink anything with calories at 16. Even if he started lifting a LOT and eating a LOT, it doesn't look to me like he could have such a difference in size without a combination of steroids and growth hormone. He looks like one of those skinny bodybuilders that started off super think, but then ended up ENORMOUS because of steroids and grown hormone.
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wow.....toothpick Ryan Crouser versus beast Ryan Crouser.....the winner and no doubt still World Champion is.....the BEAST RYAN CROUSER!
So what could Ulf Timmerman have thrown with the spin ?
I think he could’ve thrown 23.06m with the glide, that’s just a guess tho
@@fernandosa78 I meant spin 🤭
I thought so, but you said glide first and I couldn’t stop myself haha
He's bigger than Ulf Timmerman, so perhaps. Ulf was probably getting 2m via enhancements though.
I think Crouser is fantastic, he has to surpass all O'Brien's achievements to become the GOAT, O'Brien has the longest streak, numerous world records broken, 4 Oly appearances, 2 golds, a silver and a fourth, and was ranked no1 in the world for discus one year while also no 1 in the shot the same year...
I’m still learning as a coach but I have to agree, he can break the WR with the glide. He is tall and strong and the glide favours athletes like that.
His glide as a youth has elements of a spin. Notice how when he is first loaded, his head is turned to the right while most gliders are looking out the back of the circle, then his reverse finish to me is like a spin. It works because of his frame as well. Look how long his legs are!
I think he could have done it.
Great video. Does anyone know who holds the combined competition glide/spin PR combo (140+ feet?). I think in high jump Matzdorf had combined straddle/flop PRs of 15'...
Probably in meet it will be Brian Oldfield
@@ThrowsUniversity I think Dave Laut is the Man?
skinny crouser is always a shock for me
I love this video breakdown. Great content! But with all due respect, who cares if Timmerman was gassed or not. Can people with 100% CERTAINTY say that Crouser isn't gassed up as well?? There's plenty of designer steroids prevalent within all sports. That will never change. But let's forget about the new ones just for arguments sake. How about the common ones that have been in sports for quite some time now? Are you aware of the half life of testosterone propionate or how hard it is to catch an athlete using HGH? Or what about actual epitestosterone administration in order for the athlete to better control their testosterone/epitestosterone ratio that is commonly used as a red flag to detect AAS usage?
Ryan should try to break the glide records, I mean, gliding. If not he cannot be considered the GOAT, only the GOAT spinner, and not even that, since he is now allowed to do things that past spinners were not allowed (e.g. touching the top of the rim).
Every contemporary spinner is allowed to do the same thing - but Ryan is the only one to have thrown 23.37m.
That's as silly as saying modern high jumpers are only record holders in the flop HJ and they have to hold the record in the straddle as well.