They also developed subsonic cartridges with a bullet that is flush to the case for silent firearms. They have an integral piston in the case that pushes the bullet out while keeping the gasses in, no suppressor needed.
@@Kolajer the next step should be the cartridge with no bullet. gas is still pushing the integral piston but this time the supersonic shockwave itself damages the target
@@Kolajer first weapon with same kind of cartridge was Gurevich revolver made somewhen around 1943 if im not mistaken. but there also was some sort of liquid inside the case that pushing bullet. it was attempt to replace Nagant revolvers with "Bramit" supressors.
@@dsheshin That's no gun, that's a hadouken! XD Honestly, it almost feels like Russia has been trying to create a silent deadly weapon for ages. They are already working on laser beam rifles for infantry. So, maybe they are finally close to that end dream.
ME: I want the bullet completely inside the case. LEON NAGANT: You know I have been meaning to try a gas seal idea with a bullet completely inside the case. ME: Say no more! I want a boatload of them, and I want them by Thursday.
I like the fact that this channel, though dedicated to weaponry, is one of a few places where there is no animosity between Russian and American communities in the comment section. Just pure enthusiasm about particular achievements of both nations. It's good to have a place you can visit where you're not alienated by default.
The S&W Russian is arguably one of the most reliable and durable revolvers ever made. They continued to be used many decades after official replacement by Nagant. Fantastic summary of this great and almost forgotten firearm, thank you Ian.
The "hook" on the bottom of the trigger guard is NOT a "finger rest". The Cossacks, (Russian cavalry) did not wear holsters. They just tucked the pistols (and knives) behind a sash around the waist. The "hook" was to prevent the pistol sliding down. The protrusion is called a "sash hook". L. A, Goodyear S&WCA #533
I had a Uberti clone in 44 russian, and currently have one in 45 colt. Also a nickel plated schofield with the pearl grips. Shoot the russian model but cant bring myself to fire the nickel plated one. Most of Ubertis stuff is nice. Have a model 73 winchester clone from them also, in 45 colt
Just gave my girlfriend an unrequested 15 minute lecture on why this gun is never seen in western movies, but if you were a gunfighter back then, this would be what you'd carry.
Every now an then my wife will stop me and say "is this going to be long?" Since the answer is almost always "yes", she responds by either telling me to wait until later or she mutes her phone so the sounds of Candy Crush don't inturrupt me. It works for us.
just a BB here in holland /europe,, be happy with yours
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@TheOGGamer0428 Xbox-Minecraft google "the Mulford Act". interesting reading. it seems gov. Reagan signed it into law because Black Panthers were exercising their constitutional rights and scaring crap out of white citizens. btw, it was also nra approved. ( to be fair, it was also bi-partisan.)
Not at all terribly underrated at the time though. If you read HImmelwright and Winans they say very good things about it. You can find these old books on project Gutenberg, Google, and Archive.org
To be even more precise, the translation should be "EMPEROR'S Tula weapon factory". After all, "императорскiй" sounds more like "belonging to the emperor", while "imperial" would be "имперскiй". On the other hand, the dictionary gives "императорский" as the second meaning of "imperial" (after "имперский").
A forgotten weapon, overshadowed by its successor that Ian mentioned: the Nagant, with a cylinder that moved forward to close the cylinder-barrel gap. The Russian word for revolver became nagant, much like a tissue became a kleenex.
It did not, the word [наган] was a synonym only to the Nagant Revolver, but because there were virtually no other revolvers around in SU the word replaced the word revolver almost entirely. After 1990s, when some other models of revolvers (like U-94, RSh-12) were adopted, they were never called [nagan]. The same happened to other weapons in the army: [berdanka] for Berdan rifle, [mosinka] for Mosin-Nagant, [mauser] for Mauser C96, [maksim] for Maxim gun, [kalash] for AK family, [makar] or [makarov] for PM, [stechkin] for APS. Some other weapons have their own nicknames too: [shmaiser] for MP40 and [emka] for M16 family. Really, the only gun that influenced the entire weapons family name was Fedorov's "Automat".
@@Itoyokofan I believe Daniel was talking about days of WWI and Civil War, when the world 'nagant' was colloquial name for any revolver or even semi-auto pistol, with notable exception of C96 - Mauser was "Mauser".
@@nikitajukov4915 First time I hear that other revolvers were ever called 'nagants', actually. And if they were called occasionally, I don't think it was to the point of replacing the word revolver itself, unlike in other cases, where toilet bowl became 'Unitas', photocopy became 'Xerox', hydraulic cart became 'Rocla', etc. (all are company names).
@@d33b33 'Kalash' sounds a bit vulgar in russian actually :D Some folk even call it 'Kalashmat'. Also there's a saying: "Do not show your pig snout in the pastery row" meaning "don't go where you're not fitted", where pastery row is 'kalashny ryad' (though I guess you know it).
I like the fact that Ian can still find interesting guns to talk about. I always had a liking for the No. 3 myself, but I have never owed one which makes videos like this one especially interesting to me.
I used to play with one of these back in the early 1990 when i was a kid. My uncle found one when he was repairing an old house, but it was so rusty that all the parts where stuck. This was found on northern Albania. To far away from Russia
@@seanjoseph8637 It most definitely was not. Communist, sure, and heavily influenced by Stalin's regime, but it was never part of the Warsaw pact, and definitely not a part of the USSR .
It is not the gunpowder it is just that we demand highest possible velocity. This style of action easily handles modern SAMMI spec smokeless loads in any of the special rounds or even 45 Colt. So the big factors are cost and market demands for more blast.
First morning I have the privilege to watch my favorite channel as I also loving flip through my copy of CHASSEPOT to FAMAS. Fast delivery I must say... my tiny library has never looked so fancy. Thanks Ian ..ps my wife asked , between you and your wife who has the greater hair regime?....
Couldn’t possibly thank you more for this, Ian. That guy on the avatar, a fresh Staff-Rotmistr - Deputy Squadron Leader, has a gun like this on his person, as everyone of his fellow-officers does on the Pentecost day in 1892. Considering the photo is made in Konin, Poland - may be, just may be, - some officer of Polish descent - and there are 2-3 of them on this picture -may have on him THIS VERY GUN.
@@CandidZulu Pre-Revolution grammar in Russian language was a mess. Loads of redundant letters and some very obscure usecases which you pretty much had to memorize - the Bolsheviks did a good job of throwing these out of the alphabet and kind of streamlining and optimizing the Russian grammar.
Fascinating look and development of a revolver's design. I always see Russian/Soviet officers leading their troops by waving a revolver or a small automatic. Thanks for a great video.
I always loved the No.3 and has always been my favorite wild west revolver. I'm honestly unsure as to why the Colt SAA is more popular nowadays when, like you said, the No.3 was in fact more popular
Peacemaker is far more aesthetic in my opinion, and the No. 3 never got a cool nickname like peacemaker, equalizer, hog leg etc that the SAA got. If I was living in the old west i'd carry a peacemaker for sure, just always preferred Colt to Smith and Wesson myself. Just like i've always preferred Winchester to Marlin.
It might have to do that the S&W break-open top was not considered as strong compared to the permanent top strap of the Colt--Not that I ever heard of any S&W having a failure due to its design.
@@ScottKenny1978 Add the US Army. When Hollywood took off in the 1910s Army surplus SAA were dirt cheap because Army had bought so many and by the time the 1911 is around they were practically given away. Trapdoor Springfields and Krags show up a ton for the same reason in movies into the 1940s regardless of it making sense. That they were cheap and available is why the ships crew in King Kong carry Krags.
I've considered this revolver one of the best since my teens back in the seventies. It handles very nicely, good balance, and it is a work of art by my estimation. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks for the information. I am a mild collector and just adopted this revolver. Although mine is beyond firing, I am looking forward to adding it to my collection. Again thanks
Great guns. They started modern cartridge design. The 44 Special was created in 1907 for the Triple Lock and lengthened only to provide more expansion room for the early smokeless powders. Ballistics were the same as the 44 Russian. I suspect they also wanted to Americanize it some. But it created a fine cartridge, which led to 44 Mag about 48 years later, which of course has been hugely successful. Someday i will get one of the modern Schofield repros in 45 Colt. I think both of the James brothers preferred the S&W Model 3. I imagine they knew a thing or 2 about using guns. Great video as always. Thank you
Around 1890s the Russians realized they'd need a lot more handguns than previously - the rumblings of a major war and upheaval in Europe were already being heard... The 1895 Nagant was produced in large numbers to equip not only the Russian Empire's army and navy commissioned officers, but also the NCOs, specialty troops and even some infantrymen - the so called "soldier's" single-action-only version was retrofitted for that purpose. On top of that the vast numbers of the Tsar's police and the Gendarmerie, the Cossacks and other paramilitary groups needed handguns. The S&W had an obsolete round, was too big, too clunky to satisfy all the groups with conflicting requirements, and too expensive to arm everybody... In the end the arrangement was that the bulk of the force would get the 1895 Nagant, and the well-off officers would provide their own semiautomatic, often a Mauser C96, a Parabellum or a pocket Browning.
According to what I briefly skimmed on Russian Wikipedia, it was mostly the weight. The revolver hasn't found much love or trust among the ranks it was issued to, due to the revolver being very rarely used, being quite heavy (1.5kg loaded), with considerable recoil, as well as the ranks being otherwise equipped for both long range (rifles) and close quarters (sabre, dagger). Being single action was considered an insignificant downside, as firing double action with that thing wouldn't prove accurate. The man writing about it suggests that it could remain in service for artillery men who wouldn't be weighed down by it. (funnily enough the loading gate of the M1895 was significantly less comfortable for cavalry)
Looking at that extra loop on the trigger guard it makes you wonder why no one considered an early 'squeeze cocker' type arrangement using something similar to cock the single action trigger.
One of the more elegant designs of 19th century revolvers IMO. And the .44 Russian cartridge earned a reputation for fine accuracy. It was used by many expert target shooters in the late 1800s.
Popular guns for UK collectors as the .44 Russian cartridge is deemed obsolete its one of the most modern guns we can import without having to spoil them by de-activating them formally.
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In the late 20s, a part oft this revolvers had been converted into flare guns. The cylinders and rifled barrels had been taken away and replaced by smoothbore barrel, a break mechanic had been there.
Удивительно обнаружить упоминание родного города в контексте незаслуженно забытого оружия. Ведущий рассказывает про этот пистолет такое что не многие жители города Тулы знают. Как пистолет , произведенный в конце 19 начале 20го века в России мог оказаться в Америке в таком хорошем состоянии. Поразительно.
We anxiously await your video on the Ludwig Loewe contract revolvers. I've owned one for years and have wondered about how many were made in that contract, how many of those went to the Russian Army, what dates they were manufactured, etc. The one I own has the cyrillic lettering and the Russian Imperial eagle/crest on the barrel with a date of 1874 on the frame.
Reloading is faster, but I read that the US Cavalry tested a model of the S&W revolver, compared to the Colt SAA, but they didn't like that it eject all six cartridges, also if you fired just 3 or 4 if them, and they said that on horseback, some of the troopers lost cartridges from the drum when their horses make a sudden move while they were reloading.
Lighter, since the Russian officer was required to carry pistol and sword at any time he was in uniform, even if off duty. It also used the same barrel blanks as the moisin.
@@cheekibreeki904 I disagree with being more reliable. I've always seen them to be finicky. I'd say less vulnerable to poor maintenance. Though definitely lighter and more durable. But that's not why they switched to it. They switched to it because it was easier to make. Even with it's awkward sealed chamber, it's a lot less complex than a No.3.
Ian, I want to correct one thing you said about patents. In general, patents are filed and maintained on a country by country basis. There are some patents today that are multi-country (particularly EU wide patents). So when you say that a company has a patent on something and therefore a monopoly, that is only partly true. For a US patent, the exclusivity exists only within the boundaries of the United States. So the Russians COULD make their own reversed engineered version of the pistol without licensing the patents UNLESS S&W also filed the patent in Russia. One challenge with that is the US has traditionally used a "first to invent" standard for patent priority. The rest of the world uses a "first to file" standard.
See 22LR for example of heeled bullets. I never realized that the switch from heeled to non-heeled bullets was the reason for the caliber naming discrepancy.
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Look nice to me, and very interesting history behind it; what doesn't convince me are those rear sights and the break action, but for it's time looks excelent.
Ian, I really appreciate a lot your work. I wish I could support you with noney, but I live in venezuela and I mean 8$ monthly... But I'm not here to talk about that. I think it would be pretty nice see you with the TKB prototypes (TKB-022, TKB-059 and TKB-508). Those guns are pretty rare and I'm just saying it would be pretty nice for you as for your audience. I really hope see some of those weird guns in your channel some day.
Eane i hope you read this. My question is a total aside as i have two S.A. Ruger .44s. I am looking for a new long gun. In your view what would be the best for the money belt fed 7.62 x 51?
A fantastic and beautiful revolver. And probably superior to it's replacement. I like the Nagant, it's interesting, but this is definitely better suited to being a martial revolver. The Nagant is more of a "police special" sized gun. I wonder how many of these are in Russian babushkas' nightstands, gathering dust?
The letter "П" in a circle on the barrel is a proof mark, not property mark. In the 20th and 21st centuries, "П" in one circle meant "proof-tested for usage with normal ammo", and "П" in two circles meant "proof-tested for usage with +P ammo". But I am not sure if the standards were the same back in 1888.
I've always thought that the no.3 is one of the most beautiful, and functional revolvers ever made. I have no idea why the colt 1873 beat it as the wild west gun of choice.
I'm wondering the purpose of that large screw on top of frame... Surely not for adjusting rear sight? *EDIT* MAybe for compensating gradual wear of the top latch?
In current cultural memory, the visit of Grand Duke Alexis Alexandrovich has been (loosely) immortalised in the Lucky Luke Album "Le Grand Duc"/"The Grand Duke" (cartoon adaption with English audio is available on youtube).
Some wonder about the spur on the trigger guard. Some years ago I read somewhere that Russian cavalry doctrine of the time called them to ride into battle with cocked revolvers and that the spur was a place to rest one's trigger finger. Trigger discipline being what it was back then just where would you want your comrade's finger resting while riding a bouncy horse? On the trigger itself, or that spur? I don't know if that's the reason for it, but it does make some sense.
I roll my eyes everytime I the Rollin White patent is mentioned. While it led some very odd work arounds I think we missed out on a bounty of beautiful and functional revolvers that would have been made before magazine pistols took over the hand gun market
No mention of the trigger guard spur. There are so many theories about it's purpose, the one that suggests that it was used to keep the gun from slipping down when stuck in a sash makes sense to me.
My father has a variant of this gun handed down from his Grandfather as far as we know going back. It doesn't have the finger rest, no Russian marking, but it IS in .44 Russian. Anyone ever heard of this?
Russians with No. 3: We'd like the bullet to be more inside the case
Russians with Nagant: No, even more than that
They also developed subsonic cartridges with a bullet that is flush to the case for silent firearms. They have an integral piston in the case that pushes the bullet out while keeping the gasses in, no suppressor needed.
@@Kolajer the next step should be the cartridge with no bullet. gas is still pushing the integral piston but this time the supersonic shockwave itself damages the target
@@Kolajer first weapon with same kind of cartridge was Gurevich revolver made somewhen around 1943 if im not mistaken. but there also was some sort of liquid inside the case that pushing bullet. it was attempt to replace Nagant revolvers with "Bramit" supressors.
@@dsheshin That's no gun, that's a hadouken! XD
Honestly, it almost feels like Russia has been trying to create a silent deadly weapon for ages. They are already working on laser beam rifles for infantry. So, maybe they are finally close to that end dream.
ME: I want the bullet completely inside the case.
LEON NAGANT: You know I have been meaning to try a gas seal idea with a bullet completely inside the case.
ME: Say no more! I want a boatload of them, and I want them by Thursday.
American made Mosin's, Russian made S&W's. The world has gone mad!
Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria.
Just like American made AKs & Russian made AR-15s for their own civvies in this century
Yes
@@Taistelukalkkuna I think your confusing things with the present day. 😊
It's called commerce. Been around for some time now.
I like the fact that this channel, though dedicated to weaponry, is one of a few places where there is no animosity between Russian and American communities in the comment section. Just pure enthusiasm about particular achievements of both nations. It's good to have a place you can visit where you're not alienated by default.
The S&W Russian is arguably one of the most reliable and durable revolvers ever made. They continued to be used many decades after official replacement by Nagant. Fantastic summary of this great and almost forgotten firearm, thank you Ian.
Mine still fires. She’s accurate too.
The "hook" on the bottom of the trigger guard is NOT a "finger rest".
The Cossacks, (Russian cavalry) did not wear holsters. They just tucked the pistols (and knives) behind a sash around the waist.
The "hook" was to prevent the pistol sliding down.
The protrusion is called a "sash hook".
L. A, Goodyear S&WCA #533
is there any photos of cossacks with it tucked in their belt? I remember seeing one somewhere
While having an original would be awesome, I would be happy with an Uberti clone of the Model 3 Russian.
Christopher Clark me too man
I'd even settle for one of the .38 versions. But really, you want the OG Grandpa Callihan cartridge.
I had a Uberti clone in 44 russian, and currently have one in 45 colt. Also a nickel plated schofield with the pearl grips. Shoot the russian model but cant bring myself to fire the nickel plated one. Most of Ubertis stuff is nice. Have a model 73 winchester clone from them also, in 45 colt
@Stop Banningme how is it communist?
@Stop Banningme ah yes tsarist Russia and its famed communist government.
Just gave my girlfriend an unrequested 15 minute lecture on why this gun is never seen in western movies, but if you were a gunfighter back then, this would be what you'd carry.
rickb1973 if she’s still your GF, she’s a keeper.
That's what you signed up for, unrequested lectures.
Can you remember the last time that she requested a lecture?
Every now an then my wife will stop me and say "is this going to be long?" Since the answer is almost always "yes", she responds by either telling me to wait until later or she mutes her phone so the sounds of Candy Crush don't inturrupt me. It works for us.
So why is it never seen in westerns?
That sad feeling when you know that the one that is exibited in Tula arms museum is in much worse condition than the one sold on the american auction
Laughs in (easier, and less restrictive,) civilian ownership of firearms
I realized I have boring guns after coming to this channel.
Well atleast you have one
You can always "bore" them out!
Are those anything like drilling guns?
just a BB here in holland /europe,, be happy with yours
@TheOGGamer0428 Xbox-Minecraft google "the Mulford Act". interesting reading. it seems gov. Reagan signed it into law because Black Panthers were exercising their constitutional rights and scaring crap out of white citizens. btw, it was also nra approved. ( to be fair, it was also bi-partisan.)
A truly underrated revolver.
Not at all terribly underrated at the time though. If you read HImmelwright and Winans they say very good things about it. You can find these old books on project Gutenberg, Google, and Archive.org
Several of Louis L'Amour's heros carried them.
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Marking on barrel: "ИМПЕРАТОРСКІЙ тульскій оружейный заводъ 1888 г. № 6957" that means "Imperial weapon factory of Tula 1888 y. # 6957"
Привет соотечественик.
@@КииноХистори Я не "соотечественик", оскільки я з України, але тобі також привіт.
@@werre2 Precisely.
Useing our calendar then?
To be even more precise, the translation should be "EMPEROR'S Tula weapon factory".
After all, "императорскiй" sounds more like "belonging to the emperor", while "imperial" would be "имперскiй". On the other hand, the dictionary gives "императорский" as the second meaning of "imperial" (after "имперский").
A forgotten weapon, overshadowed by its successor that Ian mentioned: the Nagant, with a cylinder that moved forward to close the cylinder-barrel gap. The Russian word for revolver became nagant, much like a tissue became a kleenex.
It did not, the word [наган] was a synonym only to the Nagant Revolver, but because there were virtually no other revolvers around in SU the word replaced the word revolver almost entirely. After 1990s, when some other models of revolvers (like U-94, RSh-12) were adopted, they were never called [nagan]. The same happened to other weapons in the army: [berdanka] for Berdan rifle, [mosinka] for Mosin-Nagant, [mauser] for Mauser C96, [maksim] for Maxim gun, [kalash] for AK family, [makar] or [makarov] for PM, [stechkin] for APS. Some other weapons have their own nicknames too: [shmaiser] for MP40 and [emka] for M16 family.
Really, the only gun that influenced the entire weapons family name was Fedorov's "Automat".
@@Itoyokofan I believe Daniel was talking about days of WWI and Civil War, when the world 'nagant' was colloquial name for any revolver or even semi-auto pistol, with notable exception of C96 - Mauser was "Mauser".
Since when did tissues become kleenexes?
@@nikitajukov4915 First time I hear that other revolvers were ever called 'nagants', actually. And if they were called occasionally, I don't think it was to the point of replacing the word revolver itself, unlike in other cases, where toilet bowl became 'Unitas', photocopy became 'Xerox',
hydraulic cart became 'Rocla', etc. (all are company names).
@@d33b33 'Kalash' sounds a bit vulgar in russian actually :D Some folk even call it 'Kalashmat'. Also there's a saying: "Do not show your pig snout in the pastery row" meaning "don't go where you're not fitted", where pastery row is 'kalashny ryad' (though I guess you know it).
I like the fact that Ian can still find interesting guns to talk about. I always had a liking for the No. 3 myself, but I have never owed one which makes videos like this one especially interesting to me.
There are modern reproductions available, mostly the Schofield version for cowboy action shooting.
You should check out the C&Rsenal episode on this gun if you like it, it goes into great detail and has shooting.
I used to play with one of these back in the early 1990 when i was a kid.
My uncle found one when he was repairing an old house, but it was so rusty that all the parts where stuck.
This was found on northern Albania. To far away from Russia
Albania was part of the USSR you know...
@@seanjoseph8637 It most definitely was not. Communist, sure, and heavily influenced by Stalin's regime, but it was never part of the Warsaw pact, and definitely not a part of the USSR .
@@seanjoseph8637 NOT
@@comradeglogi thats how it was ,you're right.
The way that the tides of history wash guns, it certainly could have been Russian.
I wish there were more modern break-open revolvers. I've always found them really cool.
Same, sadly its not common anymore cuz, New gunpowder too much powerful for the gun structure
It is not the gunpowder it is just that we demand highest possible velocity.
This style of action easily handles modern SAMMI spec smokeless loads in any of the special rounds or even 45 Colt.
So the big factors are cost and market demands for more blast.
First morning I have the privilege to watch my favorite channel as I also loving flip through my copy of CHASSEPOT to FAMAS. Fast delivery I must say... my tiny library has never looked so fancy. Thanks Ian
..ps my wife asked , between you and your wife who has the greater hair regime?....
I just love the look of the S&W Russian. It’s unique and has a certain classic look to it. Keep up the good work. Greetings from South Africa.
Couldn’t possibly thank you more for this, Ian. That guy on the avatar, a fresh Staff-Rotmistr - Deputy Squadron Leader, has a gun like this on his person, as everyone of his fellow-officers does on the Pentecost day in 1892. Considering the photo is made in Konin, Poland - may be, just may be, - some officer of Polish descent - and there are 2-3 of them on this picture -may have on him THIS VERY GUN.
The marking on the U.S. made guns is "Sistema Smita i Wessona Amerika"
I know the name "Gun Jesus" is here to stay at this point, but "Gundalf" rolls off the tongue easier
Heresy
We will need to wait 30 years or so until he becomes gundalf
This is an excellent way of learning history's ways( tactics) about gun progression.
Pick the right channels on UA-cam and you can learn much. 👍
Carl you know we need a two gun match with this and a 1895 Winchester.
It actually says in Russian "The Emperor's Tula weapon factory" on the gun.
And it's pretty cool that it uses old pre-revolution grammar.
Whats up with the I at the end before the Cyrillic I?
@@CandidZulu Pre-Revolution grammar in Russian language was a mess. Loads of redundant letters and some very obscure usecases which you pretty much had to memorize - the Bolsheviks did a good job of throwing these out of the alphabet and kind of streamlining and optimizing the Russian grammar.
@@mihan2d but this reform has been already prepared in Russian Empire before the Bolsheviks came to the power, but they made it real
Fascinating look and development of a revolver's design. I always see Russian/Soviet officers leading their troops by waving a revolver or a small automatic. Thanks for a great video.
Rather a nice looking revolver. I can see why the Russians liked it.
I always loved the No.3 and has always been my favorite wild west revolver. I'm honestly unsure as to why the Colt SAA is more popular nowadays when, like you said, the No.3 was in fact more popular
I think it's because Colt is a household name, and they are more recognizable to the average movie goer...
Peacemaker is far more aesthetic in my opinion, and the No. 3 never got a cool nickname like peacemaker, equalizer, hog leg etc that the SAA got. If I was living in the old west i'd carry a peacemaker for sure, just always preferred Colt to Smith and Wesson myself. Just like i've always preferred Winchester to Marlin.
Blame wholelyweird.
I'm really tempted by a modern reproduction Schofield or two.
It might have to do that the S&W break-open top was not considered as strong compared to the permanent top strap of the Colt--Not that I ever heard of any S&W having a failure due to its design.
@@ScottKenny1978 Add the US Army. When Hollywood took off in the 1910s Army surplus SAA were dirt cheap because Army had bought so many and by the time the 1911 is around they were practically given away. Trapdoor Springfields and Krags show up a ton for the same reason in movies into the 1940s regardless of it making sense. That they were cheap and available is why the ships crew in King Kong carry Krags.
Thank you, General Gorlov, for that advance in firearms design.
I've considered this revolver one of the best since my teens back in the seventies. It handles very nicely, good balance, and it is a work of art by my estimation. Thanks for sharing this.
for the irony of it do a video about the most iconic forgotten weapons
He already filmed FG-42. What else do you need?
Pancor Jackhammer
@That Wide Unit777 I know, I was suggesting it to Kazakov
@@baconator1377 looking through his uploads I see an uzi three iterations of the Arctic warfare a c96 and many more
Thanks for the information. I am a mild collector and just adopted this revolver. Although mine is beyond firing, I am looking forward to adding it to my collection. Again thanks
How they decided the Nagant was an improvement escapes me.
Great guns. They started modern cartridge design. The 44 Special was created in 1907 for the Triple Lock and lengthened only to provide more expansion room for the early smokeless powders. Ballistics were the same as the 44 Russian. I suspect they also wanted to Americanize it some. But it created a fine cartridge, which led to 44 Mag about 48 years later, which of course has been hugely successful. Someday i will get one of the modern Schofield repros in 45 Colt. I think both of the James brothers preferred the S&W Model 3. I imagine they knew a thing or 2 about using guns. Great video as always. Thank you
Smith & Wesson in 1800s: makes the best revolvers in america
Russia in also 1800s:
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Why replace S&W with Nagant, if Nagant had a tiny .32 bullet and took an eternity to reload? I think Model 3 was a better handgun
My guess is Nagant was easier and cheaper to produce, also having same caliber as rifles yet again to ease the production
watch the C&Rsenal video about the nagant. they explain that in detail. basically, the russians wanted to save money on ammunition.
Around 1890s the Russians realized they'd need a lot more handguns than previously - the rumblings of a major war and upheaval in Europe were already being heard... The 1895 Nagant was produced in large numbers to equip not only the Russian Empire's army and navy commissioned officers, but also the NCOs, specialty troops and even some infantrymen - the so called "soldier's" single-action-only version was retrofitted for that purpose. On top of that the vast numbers of the Tsar's police and the Gendarmerie, the Cossacks and other paramilitary groups needed handguns. The S&W had an obsolete round, was too big, too clunky to satisfy all the groups with conflicting requirements, and too expensive to arm everybody... In the end the arrangement was that the bulk of the force would get the 1895 Nagant, and the well-off officers would provide their own semiautomatic, often a Mauser C96, a Parabellum or a pocket Browning.
Ammo standardization, plus you can use mosin barels
According to what I briefly skimmed on Russian Wikipedia, it was mostly the weight. The revolver hasn't found much love or trust among the ranks it was issued to, due to the revolver being very rarely used, being quite heavy (1.5kg loaded), with considerable recoil, as well as the ranks being otherwise equipped for both long range (rifles) and close quarters (sabre, dagger). Being single action was considered an insignificant downside, as firing double action with that thing wouldn't prove accurate.
The man writing about it suggests that it could remain in service for artillery men who wouldn't be weighed down by it.
(funnily enough the loading gate of the M1895 was significantly less comfortable for cavalry)
Looking at that extra loop on the trigger guard it makes you wonder why no one considered an early 'squeeze cocker' type arrangement using something similar to cock the single action trigger.
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An American, Albert Kahn, oversaw the building of tractor assembly line factories in Stalin's USSR in the 1930s too.
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I am going to buy a repro Schofield in 45 LC. I just love the concept. One in the cavalry model and the 5 inch model or something close to it.
What a beautiful looking gun.
Great review.
Btw, передаю привет из Тулы.
Iv'e always adored revolvers with that second finger loop on the tripper guard. They just look so elegant.
I kept expecting Ian to say "But, as you know-" WAR WERE DECLARED
Always loved break top revolvers.
One of the more elegant designs of 19th century revolvers IMO.
And the .44 Russian cartridge earned a reputation for fine accuracy.
It was used by many expert target shooters in the late 1800s.
Popular guns for UK collectors as the .44 Russian cartridge is deemed obsolete its one of the most modern guns we can import without having to spoil them by de-activating them formally.
So you just dump the cordite and all is good? Where did you suppose to throw the cordite away tho
probably one of the best looking revolvers ive seen
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You do such a great job on the history of the guns.. kudos
Awesome video. Thank you, Ian.
In the late 20s, a part oft this revolvers had been converted into flare guns. The cylinders and rifled barrels had been taken away and replaced by smoothbore barrel, a break mechanic had been there.
Удивительно обнаружить упоминание родного города в контексте незаслуженно забытого оружия. Ведущий рассказывает про этот пистолет такое что не многие жители города Тулы знают. Как пистолет , произведенный в конце 19 начале 20го века в России мог оказаться в Америке в таком хорошем состоянии. Поразительно.
That is a gorgeous revolver
Reminds me of the MP412 Rex
We anxiously await your video on the Ludwig Loewe contract revolvers. I've owned one for years and have wondered about how many were made in that contract, how many of those went to the Russian Army, what dates they were manufactured, etc. The one I own has the cyrillic lettering and the Russian Imperial eagle/crest on the barrel with a date of 1874 on the frame.
Definitely the prettiest variant of the No. 3, I think. Still managed to be an excellent weapon while also looking like such a work of fine art.
Reloading is faster, but I read that the US Cavalry tested a model of the S&W revolver, compared to the Colt SAA, but they didn't like that it eject all six cartridges, also if you fired just 3 or 4 if them, and they said that on horseback, some of the troopers lost cartridges from the drum when their horses make a sudden move while they were reloading.
Nothing like a top break revolver, I've wanted one since I was a kid!
It's odd to me why Russia would go from the Smith & Wesson, to the Nagant. To me the model 3 is a better revolver.
J K back in those days for a major power like Russia, manufacturing your guns in house was pretty important to the higher ups. A national pride thing.
I agree J K. The 22 pound double action / 12 pound single action trigger pull of the nagant is reason enough to not adopt it.
@@cheekibreeki904 Colt and Smith and Wesson 1917s were compliant with WW1 military standards.
Lighter, since the Russian officer was required to carry pistol and sword at any time he was in uniform, even if off duty.
It also used the same barrel blanks as the moisin.
@@cheekibreeki904 I disagree with being more reliable. I've always seen them to be finicky. I'd say less vulnerable to poor maintenance. Though definitely lighter and more durable.
But that's not why they switched to it. They switched to it because it was easier to make. Even with it's awkward sealed chamber, it's a lot less complex than a No.3.
I was really hoping for a bit of discussion regarding the oft-debated "real" reason for the hook under the trigger guard.
Ian, I want to correct one thing you said about patents. In general, patents are filed and maintained on a country by country basis. There are some patents today that are multi-country (particularly EU wide patents). So when you say that a company has a patent on something and therefore a monopoly, that is only partly true. For a US patent, the exclusivity exists only within the boundaries of the United States. So the Russians COULD make their own reversed engineered version of the pistol without licensing the patents UNLESS S&W also filed the patent in Russia. One challenge with that is the US has traditionally used a "first to invent" standard for patent priority. The rest of the world uses a "first to file" standard.
This along with the Winchester 1895 are such interesting pieces of history
very nice gun by any standard
See 22LR for example of heeled bullets. I never realized that the switch from heeled to non-heeled bullets was the reason for the caliber naming discrepancy.
That’s so weird, was looking at one of these before and low and behold 2 hours later Ian’s put a vid up!
I will use the no.3 now too
In bf1 of course
I never knew why the bullets were .429. Very cool.
Looks to be very well made. Tula apparently had a good rep for swords as well.
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Seeing a rare(ish) revolver like this kind of makes me want to see Ian cover the Mateba revolvers some time.
Awesome gun and awesome review
Look nice to me, and very interesting history behind it; what doesn't convince me are those rear sights and the break action, but for it's time looks excelent.
Ian, I really appreciate a lot your work. I wish I could support you with noney, but I live in venezuela and I mean 8$ monthly... But I'm not here to talk about that. I think it would be pretty nice see you with the TKB prototypes (TKB-022, TKB-059 and TKB-508). Those guns are pretty rare and I'm just saying it would be pretty nice for you as for your audience. I really hope see some of those weird guns in your channel some day.
Eane i hope you read this. My question is a total aside as i have two S.A. Ruger .44s. I am looking for a new long gun. In your view what would be the best for the money belt fed 7.62 x 51?
What is the purpose of the hook below the trigger guard ?
If looks as though it could get caught up in clothing.
beautiful looking gun.great videos.
I learned of this gun through the song "priceless antique revolver shoots startled owner" by Corb Lund. No wonder he wrote a song about these things
@Forgotten Weapons I was just talking about this revolver yesterday
A fantastic and beautiful revolver. And probably superior to it's replacement. I like the Nagant, it's interesting, but this is definitely better suited to being a martial revolver. The Nagant is more of a "police special" sized gun.
I wonder how many of these are in Russian babushkas' nightstands, gathering dust?
The letter "П" in a circle on the barrel is a proof mark, not property mark.
In the 20th and 21st centuries, "П" in one circle meant "proof-tested for usage with normal ammo", and "П" in two circles meant "proof-tested for usage with +P ammo". But I am not sure if the standards were the same back in 1888.
I've waited for this video for years.
S&W selling to the jamaicans:" we have this 429 cal revolver-"
Jamaical military: "can you reduce the bullet diameter by 9?"
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Nice. I would want one just because I own a Tula produced Mosin
I've always thought that the no.3 is one of the most beautiful, and functional revolvers ever made. I have no idea why the colt 1873 beat it as the wild west gun of choice.
I blame wholelyweird.
No joke, it's probably because Matt Dillon carried one in Gunsmoke.
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Russia was really ahead of its game when they adopted this pistol.
That pistol I think is in the first bioshock game I could be wrong but It looks remarkable similar
I'm wondering the purpose of that large screw on top of frame... Surely not for adjusting rear sight? *EDIT* MAybe for compensating gradual wear of the top latch?
Ilkka Valkama you remove the screw to facilitate cylinder removal. At least that’s how the Uberti version works
Due to crazy gunlaws in my country, I had to choose a co2 replica.
But damn it looks fantastic on the wall
I have a german loewe copy of this revolver
Well, as he says in the end of the video, it could very well be a contracted one for the russians
The russian model 3 or s&w model 3?
@@thesturm8686 The German Mod.3
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Hey Ian, Do you know if they ever made any speedloaders for the NO.3/ Schofield like a full cylinder or a half-moon clip by chance?
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Some wonder about the spur on the trigger guard. Some years ago I read somewhere that Russian cavalry doctrine of the time called them to ride into battle with cocked revolvers and that the spur was a place to rest one's trigger finger. Trigger discipline being what it was back then just where would you want your comrade's finger resting while riding a bouncy horse? On the trigger itself, or that spur? I don't know if that's the reason for it, but it does make some sense.
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I loved that gun in battlefield one
I roll my eyes everytime I the Rollin White patent is mentioned. While it led some very odd work arounds I think we missed out on a bounty of beautiful and functional revolvers that would have been made before magazine pistols took over the hand gun market
No mention of the trigger guard spur. There are so many theories about it's purpose, the one that suggests that it was used to keep the gun from slipping down when stuck in a sash makes sense to me.
Intended to aid in drawing the revolver from a holster while on horseback.
My father has a variant of this gun handed down from his Grandfather as far as we know going back. It doesn't have the finger rest, no Russian marking, but it IS in .44 Russian. Anyone ever heard of this?