I’m strictly casual, and I never play as gogeta. But I picked him last night and started beating my friend’s ass effortlessly and I was like no wonder people pick this mf
At the beginning I was playing Mid Goku SSJ, but when I got my ass beat by Gogeta the fourth time in a row I picked him and won like idk 12 fights in a row without struggling much, this mf is crazy Now I play Goku Black Rose for the most time
@@SanchoooZ i did use super vegito as my main since he is my favorite, i barely use afterimage cause i am a aggresive fighter, i switch to vegito blue cause of the bad adsvertising ppl made of super vegito even if he is my favorite. I also try gogeta and jiren in s rank and thay stuff was too easy in term of dmg dude was dead before i even start doing stuff
Depends which gogeta you’re talking about cause ssj4 Gogeta is the only one that’s a problem I actually don’t mind the people who pick the other gogetas they straight in my book they play the game normally not much cheese that goes around with that character
@@vivaraulito the ssj4 just to see if he carry of if i was crazy and ...i am not crazy 😅 , yeah gogeta base super is a balanced version of the ssj 4 one
Gogeta 4 is really good, but he's by no means the main problem, the same as in BT3. The game really should have at least a little bit of balance tho. SZ is even more unbalanced than BT3, which was already unbalanced.
The game is supposed to be unbalanced, gogeta is supposed to op. The problem is spammers. People who just enter sparking mode and spam ki blast are the problem. Ultimates should be unblockable. But they shouldn't be able to be spam it.
Personally, I just love learning games and their mechanics so I can't relate. If someone truly is passionate about something they learn how to do it the right way. This just tells me it's ego and these players are having a power trip in the game because they're losers in real life
@@alexsanimeart5706 Exactly, I'm same as you. Love improving my skills and seeing growth from my day one performance. Too many ppl jumping into cultures and not respecting the foundation of it. Fighting games aren't about ALL winning (Sure it a big part) but it's HOW you win. If a player is exploiting the games faults as, not only a crutch, but a means to play.... It's bad. Take players that use hacks Nd other game breaking devices to get the edge on players in other games. They may do themselves a discredit cause they'll never truly learn what the game has to offer. Also I don't get their philosophy on it when it comes to games.... Like I'm pretty sure those dudes wouldn't want a lobby full of cheaters just like them on COD because they'll leave to find a lobby that are full of genuine players. This is almost done as some form of cyber bullying to some extent cause if you really really start thinking more in it, it gets sad for them. To lie to themselves for a temporary moment of satisfaction by ruining others who want to do things the right way. Just sad...
Sounds like they have winner mentalities eh? So if you’re not playing to win then you have the opposing mentality. What’s the opposite of a winner? Snap out of it.
@@modihasn7911If it's a cheesy team you know that it's a cheesy team People that have cheesy teams, have each character of the team (or the majority) for a precise reason that they know and abuse consciously in the game Bardock for the instant-unstopable sparking mode, Roshi-Videl-Goku Kid-Vegito SS for the after image, Androids 19 to spam the super armour and grabs, Giant character to do giant character things, etc When someone have a cheesy team, they have it on purpose and to abuse it
People use the argument “well the game is supposed to be unbalanced”. It’s supposed to be accurate to the anime so that Gogeta would stomp someone like Videl with ease. It doesn’t make sense to intentionally add mechanics that make a game unfun. The whole point of dp battle is to have variety so that the lesser powered characters can and will be played, vs single battle which encourages strong solo character with higher DP. Think about it; do you think the devs were sitting in their offices thinking “yeah let’s make unblockable ultimates that you can fire immediately after getting jailed by ki blasts and do 70% of your health”? Of course not because they ultimately want people to enjoy the game Unbalanced doesn’t have to mean unfun, but in some cases of this game it is and so amendment is needed. Nerfing Yajirobe, although he’s still very powerful, gives me hope that they can and will fix some of the dumb and corny mechanics in the game Edit: that doesn’t mean that there aren’t strong character that don’t rely on cheese. Look at Kid Buu. Strong ass character but no unblockable ult, no super armor, no afterimage, etc. he has a reasonably powerful heal and instant transmission. His heal only does a bit over a bar of health and has a very long activation time so it isn’t easy to pull off. Instant transmission is very strong but is easy to counter if not used correctly. He does good damage but not fusion level. More characters should be strong in the way kid Buu is strong, not how Jiren or Wheelo are strong
people saying its a skill issue when a jiren or broly enters sparking and just ki blast spams you straight into unblockable ultimate that will hit 22k+ bruhhh...
@@Joe-k8l8zbro what are you talking about about I whooped a full power jiren as a saibermen yesterday two times he only beat me once I was doing solos but the point still stands lol and as for ultimates they can be vanished if timed correctly at the last sec before contact it's really fast tho but possible agents full power jiren and alot of the cast in the game normaly I just look for the last frame of the ult and press the b button there don't readily tap it just one tap after cutscene has endid and it has to be the exact second it dose if your up close if far way it's as simple as timing it but yea you can dodge them it's just hard to do buddy but yea best battles I had yesterday were with saibermen vs full power jiren saibermen vs great ape baby And yamcha gogeta blue won each match easily just need more practice
That comment of the game being unbalanced on purpose was a smart move from the devs. They can hide behind that while releasing one of the most broken, borderline unplayable at times arena fighters ever and massive chunks of the community will say "well it's supposed to be unbalanced" to defend it. 20sec long vanish wars, Z counter being so easy to mash out, afterimage strike, random supers and ults being unblockable, instant spark. It's all just a mess. Ironically enough it does balance itself with the broken vs broken mentality. But it makes the game complete ass to play. Dropped it a few days after me and my mates got the vanish/Z counter timing down, cos the game just stops existing at that point. The only thing that works is a cheese strat and we all collectively agreed the game wasn't worth our time anymore.
Glad i didnt buy this trash game i swear i got it gameshared the fact that ppl defends this crap is the reason why never got all the shadow dragons gods angels general rildo bcuc ppl.eat everything dbz throws at them its sad now they gonna wait 3 month to fix this shit oh wait maybe they gonna do it like connections and patch it once the dlc is drops
And i agree with you on the worth our time anymore the game is lame ngl z vanish battles are lame super counter.is ez to do which i guess is a plus since it was harder to do in bt3 also it seems to me thag characters like gogeta did way less dmg in bt3 than zero
@@nnnmmmableeverything this guys mentioned has nothing to do with the enjoyablity as a party game. Similar to Mario Kart. Or any of the offline modes. Ranked and playing against people who could give less of a f*¢k if you have a good time or not will make the game look bad, that’s true for any game. Go play custom battles n enjoy other players creations or maybe find some friends (Ik a lot of y’all unfortunately don’t have 7 friends but that’s tuff) to run a tourney with, but the game isn’t bad bc weirdos r being weird online lmao.
No matter what, there's gonna be people that defend this. I just made a short vid on why they need to nerf skill points increasing so fast. You don't have to do anything but take damage and do a vanish war and you got up to 4 skill points. Too many characters have instant sparking mode. Instant transmission to run to a super. A mui player told me that I'm sweating too much because I broke his ki and did a 40 combo with hit. He said I deserved to get instant ult. I didn't take it serious and was like gg's and I friended him. He said he was suprised he won that because instant sparking even though his defense was awful, lol. But I have a skill issue. I play hit on ranked, but I main Bergamo, garlic Jr, A.13.
I play hit in ranked too. It can be hard to counter the cheese with him, all you really have is that one move where you’re invulnerable for 1 hit. If he didn’t have that he would be so trash because his time skip move isn’t worth using. His other 2 moves are good tho, and his ult is decent, he does good damage.
@clippsz His time skip is like instant transmission where it's an auto lock off for your opponent. I do this to spark spammers to get ki to immediately block a rush or activate ki clone. hit is broken but he isn't overpowered. I believe he's clearly below ssj4 and mui in terms of power. I think hit is equal to ssb gogeta broken but not overpowered. Regarding his Ult is good but his jump spike is stupid lol. You can be far away barely seeing your opponent and can still teleport to them. That's like the only thing he has lol.
Man I've been saying this... I can deal with the 15 secs for afterimage but its not 15 seconds... it's the whole fucking match because everything happens too fast on this game!!! Including the skill count refilling ridiculously fast so players can just spam afterimage badically the entire fight nonstop
It takes skill to not let your opponent get sparking, or instant sparking. It takes skill to watch for grabs and counter them. Can’t speak for the giant spam rush tho💀😂
Ur vid inspired me to try and make a bt3 vs. sparking zero comparison cause im so tired of fake weirdos saying it's just like bt3 WRONG! you could do combos from the front so perception spam was not a issue, afterimage did not make you invincible for 15 secs, no ultimates were unblockable except grab ults which you could tech the throw so it was fair, apes didn't have a free unblockable shoulder spam etc...
@@jordonkareem2486There were more: Goku's (Early, End and GT) Spirit Bombs were unblockable. Gohan's and Goten's bro Kamehameha. Roshi's lightning attack. Freeza's soldier ultimate. I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting some as well.
It also didn't have frame delay and it didn't eat inputs. Budokai Tenkaichi 3 was better mechanically. This game needs a serious mechanics and operational stability rework.
As a Future Gohan / Bardock main, the online really makes you feel like you're fighting insurmountable odds. Either getting ganged up on by the afterimage strike crew and friends (mostly Broly) Or desperately trying to outskill a Fusion / Wheelo or MUI spamming their broken Super/Ults While I managed to win most of my matches so far, I dont reall plan on coming back to the cesspool that is ranked anytime soon
And yk what's funny too dragon ball is a anime about not giving up, fighting through the struggle and we got people playin the game rage quittin, using exploits the whole 9 the complete opposite of what the anime is about so I gotta think did these mfs really watch the same anime I did?
Agreed man 100%. I'd love to see the cheese removed. Most of it at least. And the rage quitting is crazy 😭 i don't leave at all, and half of my matches or more someone leaves. It's so goofy
ima keep it a buck. I play goku mid goku end of Z and goku super that's my team 3 characters. If i see someone running a cheese team i'm leaving. I really don't care. the game can ban me or remove the cheese. I'm not sitting through 360 seconds of someone cheesing with a team of 4 giants or stall meta.. with 5 characters. they aint getting points out of me
DonCooli0, ignore the wierdo goofies. Anyone who says the single celled braindead response of "get good", "you're just trash", or "skill issue" are the same shitters who abuse the broken mechanics and rage quit to the top. They only want the digital points to get to the top. It's only about the win for them. Not the fun of that characters, show, or game. They will try and convince you off all the bullshit to justify them being losers in the game and in life. There is no way in hell that everyone online favorite characters are Yajirobi, videl, dr wheelo etc... Telling these losers to stop is like talking to a wall. They have all shameless convinced themselves that they are good and that little rank next to their name is the only thing they will have to able to show for it. Until they inevitably get banned for rage quiting enough times, after being beaten by real players who are actually getting better and better every second of every day while they stay using the same cheese. 😂 Just wait it out. All the fake S - Z ranks who got there using these "methods" will be cleared out soon enough.
The problem most comes from the skills being op and not the actual characters with a few exceptions (Giants with their unlockable dash, Gogeta SS4 with the immense gap in stats between everyone in the game.) You notice in singles ranked, it's only the 4hp characters with moves like insta-sparking or afterimage strike being used because skills in general are too forgiving, they have no cooldowns, skills with startup animation can be spammed since skill points aren't taken at the activation but instead when it's active, skill points overall build fast and really good skills are only 3 points to get, making them really easy to get. And before someone says "it's Tenkaichi, it's supposed to be unbalanced", Yes, it's not supposed to be balance but the skills are the things making a character OP, not the character itself being OP. ie: Z Gogeta is less viable than Goku (Mid) because his skills aren't any good despite doing more damage and having more health.
Missing my point, Skills determine if a character is viable most of time, one of the least used Fusions is Z Gogeta because his skills aren't Wild Sense, Afterimage Strike, Insta-Spark, Full Power if your character doesn't have them, you're basically playing Hard Mode and Extreme Mode against Fusions because unlike other characters you don't have a "Get Out of Jail Free Card" or "A Free Ultimate Card", 80% of time I've lost to a MUI, Beerus, FP Jiren, Z Broly or Fusion is because they can abuse their skills like everybody else, being able to double ult, grab spamming just so they can get their insta-sparking off and use their unblockable, it's the same gameplan with them. Get 3 Skills Points, Use InstaSpark, Spam Ult to Win. You could play this braindead with any character with Instant Spark and win against most of the cast but Fusions are only dominating because that extra health and damage is a extra shield of protection behind it.
I feel the game’s biggest issue is in its system mechanics. There is a major disparity currently in the ease with which you can utilize certain moves, and the skill that it requires to overcome those moves. Thing is, though, a lot of it is easily fixed if you just think about it for a second, but clearly the devs didn’t play test the game at all. People try to argue that the game is unbalanced on purpose and not meant to be competitive, but I would pose the question: is it fun to be forced to deal with ultimate spam at any level of play, and is it fun to know that the only reason you won in the absence of said spam is because your opponent purposely chose not to use their best move? For me, the answer is hell no to both. I don’t care what their intentions were for this game competition wise, I know damn well the game is supposed to be fun for everybody that plays it, and people ain’t having that much fun with certain things right now, regardless of their skill level, so I would say a fix is definitely required and a reasonable request.
i think it's a skill issue and some design flaw...most people that are complaining are upset that they can't play the game the way they wanna play it...it's a bunch of skills to counter and/or avoid the cheese players...most cheese players rely on the cheese...once u get around the cheese (which requires skill) you'll be fine
Okay but why can't they just play without cheese though, imo if you only use ui goku or ssj4 gogeta you are infact not good at the game. You're a fraud simple as that, if you pick literally anyone else that has 3 bars of health you'll get exposed
thing is for some things there is no counter play. If your out of Ki and a dr wheelo enters sparking mode and just spams you with his unblockable dash there isnt anything you can really do about that you're eating that for the most part.. And the cheeser knows it.
@hyperkaioken4982 true that's y this is more strategy than people think...most of yall want a button mashing game but it's clear defense is the most important thing in this game...the best players learn how to conserve their key and skill guage...unless it's clear u can win without such strategy
A rank mode exists in the game but by no means is this a ranked game. The devs don’t care about balances for rank. Z rank means nothing when you don’t lose ranking for leaving. Then it means the ranking system is compromised by flaws like that.
The skill points need to just go up at a constant rate. Why are we rewarding mf’s for getting their ass beat !? They lose 2 bars of health and do two vanish wars and they got their skill count completely full. In BT3 skill points just increased with time and not through means of battle. Which is much better because it allows less spam. You could only use wild sense 1-2 times in single matches back then. They honestly just need to fix that and that bug where u go into slow motion mid combo shit drives me nuts. There’s a lot to fix in this game I hope they don’t just ignore these issues cause I really fuck with this game but these inconveniences are gonna get old quick. Shit they already are
Literally bro, I’m so tired of absolutely deleting 4 health bars off of a fusion just for them to fucking get an instant spark and kill me with 1 combo and a super And then when you interrupt the instant spark they don’t even lose the skill points, it just seems wacky as hell and caters to bad players
I love single battle just like most people here, and I main gt so for a majority of my matches I’ve played most versions of gt Goku but then I run into z Broly with his sparking cheese and G4’s. It got to the point where I said “ fuck it let me run G4 for a bit “ never had so many UI’s and G4’s rage quit when I’m just returning the favor.
Yeah, this issue can be found in a lot of games. At this point, i just think. If you play with cheese, you might as well just be pressing the win button. Cuz the win won't matter. But if you win with skill, it's a well-earned win.
Some of the cheese is definitely worse than the rest. Giant dash spam can be dealt with if you hoard skill points for heavy perception, and false courage grab spam can be dealt with using clever techs and sidestepping. Afterimage strike has no such counterplay, you literally just don’t get to interact
First of all I AGREE 100% with your overall point but at the same time bro Why are we mad the games not competitive. The creators showed full transparency in saying this is NOT a competitive fighter… if yall chose to take the game serious that’s on you not the design of the game… we got EXACTLY what they told us we would get… if you wanna play competitive take that to SF6, this game is 4 fun… play your competitive games then hop on sparking to chill
This why I stopped taking this game seriously, I'm finna either peace out to another form of content or do content on offline mode cause the online be straight cheese lmfao
This is a great idea for after image..... they should make it where as soon as you activate it, you dodge everything, but the moment you attack it stops your after image It shouldn't give you a buff to your defense AND your offense cause that's what it's doing
1. Rage quitters are (allegedly) being penalized for doing that. If that's not enforced, then yes -- it needs to be. 2. Characters being deliberately unbalanced and having cheese doesn't make the game flawed. Sure. Calling it annoying is a valid opinion, but this is BT4. I'm glad it retains the spirit of the series. If you don't like BT that's fine; just play something else. 3. Telling people they have a "skill issue" is an NPC level response. Yeah. You can absolutely win and overcome the cheesers. Yeah. Not learning how to best that is on you (the player); especially if you want to use weaker characters because you don't like cheese or to use outright better characters. It absolutely can be done. In conclusion: it's human behavior to exploit any game to make winning easier for them. This is no exception. To add: everything I said is to anyone reading this. You (the uploader) asked for opinions, so I gave mine.
First minute I gave you an instant sub. Thank you for being reasonable. People think everything is skill issue when you lose... it's not that we are even really losing to the spammers that use these tactics... its just the fact that they're flawed. No game is released on launch and perfect... people are psychotic. Dr Wheelo Four Health Bars at 4 DP? I think the only thing that makes the Android 19 and 20 OP is the fact that when you Fly around or rush it doesn't take any Ki I think that is definitely a problem, but the truth is compared to everything else you mentioned the grab has the most counter play. In Z rank you will RARELY get a grab off unless you rightfully earn it and spamming that shit will get you touched up. I love this game and like you said man its 2024 we trying to win people think it isn't competitive like I'm always going to do what I can to win which means the shit you listed. I be on Dr Wheelo so much because when you 4 DP and you kill a 7-10DP character nothing feels better. Edit: You know what would make DP fire? They need to make the DP Limit 16 and 3 characters maximum. 3 characters maximum.
I think one of the misconceptions is that people believe we are saying yoi can't use the skills and that's not it. I just shouldn't have to deal with it 2-3 times during a match. Some skills should have a cap on how many times you can use it during a match. Wild sense is one of my favorites from back in the day because it's a bail out move (Most fighting games have those) but I should not be able to activate it 3-4 times after a couple vanish wars and taking damage.
Bro skill issue doesn't mean people are using the cheese we got people out here using saiberman and Hercule to pop wins and there hard to play as I lost 15 matches before as a saiberman before I started getting wins in high ranked matches with him it's patience and understanding your mistakes if your struggling save a replay and watch it you'll see were your struggling and then take the time to fix that mistake so it never happens again or as often
@@dogfighterzssjb3182 Bro, this isn't make believe land, and dont lie either. Aint no one in high rank playing SSJ4 Gogetas or MUI Gokus losing to someone playing saibamen. Go upload a video of you winning in ranked in high elo as saibamen, then come talk to me. And you better show you're in ranked and not staging it in player match, as rank is also shown in player matches.
@@dogfighterzssjb3182nobody is actually climbing the ranks using shitty characters brother, you’re falling for UA-cam videos in which the content creator is already at the rank they are claiming to reach
100 percent agree with you in 5:20 Players that rely on cheese. That run around thinking they're good. Is the funniest shit i have ever seen. Absolute weirdos thinking that they actually deserve the "title" Which is why titles dont mean shit. What really matters are the thumbs lol.
I’m finding that I’m having more fun playing offline than I do online. It’s more worth my time m to hop onto custom battles and make a long drawn out intense fight than dealing w/vanish wars and lag
Bro I ran into a guy he kept spamming our first match had afterimage I couldn’t touch him. And when the rematch came I turned the tables and did the same thing and won. After he realized that I can do the same thing but better he quit on the third match. I don’t usually spam I usually just play normally and have fun but this dude had me fed up. I NEEDED to teach him a lesson.
Real losers are people who cant accept that they lost. Rage quitters, no matter how many matches they win, are the ultimate losers. What they do goes beyond exploiting the game, it is a complete shutdown of the experience and immersion of the game entirely, just to avoid loss. Thats like an MMA fighter about to lose, so he calls off the match mid fight. The entire event has to shut down all because he cant accept that he will lose. Thats the Ultimate Loser.
you can vanish or super counter ki blast spam? can you vanish afterimage strike? if youre stunlocked can you vanish or super counter unblockables? brother get real
I got to a point where I stopped picking characters i genuinely enjoy playing with because all I ever run into are UI Goku , Gogeta SS4 , SS Vegito or kefla. So i just pick full power jiren
Man's really said, "don't aspire to be the top, the top rage quitted his way to the top." Meanwhile if you rage quit you get banned from ranked. The issue with you is you aim for mediocrity. "Don't try to get good. Make a second account and stay at the trash tier." That is how you succeed at taking the easy way out. That's goofy.
It’s like I can get dragged through the mud by a giant because I’m messing the timing to dodge an unblockable up, I deal with Mui Goku or gogeta ssj4 spamming perception to special or ult or I fight an entire dp lineup of afterimage strike and a gogeta, in which in most cases, folks quit. I’m starting to get the feeling Bandai Manco needs to find a way to separate the people who are here to train and go stupid with their favorite change and the people that choose to be stupid and use things to abuse and make their way up rank. Now let me ask you, is it a skill issue? I’d say yes to an extent but after a certain point, it’s just bs and a design flaw.
9:10 Try Tekken king character. If you dont know, his grab attacks are exactly what you mentioned. It has the ability to literally make the enemy sit there and watch. OD
I think people should be able to get rewarded for people for others rage quitting but I don’t thing rage quitters should get penalized. It’s really not that deep
alright i wont lie i'm guilty of the bringing them to 2 bars of health and going sparking with majin Vegeta and blowing myself up to win the fight....I CONFESS! but no rage quit thats a sin you have to own that loss. but the skill is increasing slowly 😅
it honestly depends on the individual mechanic. for example after image strike if theres a character on your team that has im going to fuse into vegito and beat your ass with your after image strike or instant sparking. theres so many different character with instant sparking it aint funny and honestly broly ult is laughbly easy to blink out of . however there are also mechanics that dont have counter play
All they need to do is add character bans in ranked and ranked alone. Each player chooses 2 characters to ban and this will make ranked more skill based while allowing people to play what they want in the regular game modes
Then Gogeta Ssj4 wouldn't be playable in any lobby, I think what they want is for anyone to play anything without it being super broken, people will always find a work around for anything if they can't get ssj4 gogeta then they'll go a giant or 2nd best
It’s an anime fighter. It’s not meant to be balanced it’s supposed to be fun. And anime fighters have always been like this. Naruto storm, Xenoverse, it’s always been there. But because we live in an age with constant you tube coverage and complaints, a lot of people are wondering why it’s so busted. And yea, a lot of people flex on sparking zero while using yajirobe or some other character that only gets used for their broken skills. That’s why you can’t take the game seriously and SO many of y’all casuals wanna do that. Dragon ball isn’t street fighter, and it isn’t Tekken.
Those who only say "skill issue" are only kids who never played bt3, in that game the ones who were the cry babies were the Gogeta ssj 4, kid buu or Broly players, now you are the baby if you call any of these players handless monkeys
This is why the game cannot be “truly” competitive, especially when it’s deliberately imbalanced. I already find the nuance of defensive mechanics to be annoying as is. This game is arguably harder compared to when I started playing FighterZ, but that’s just me.
They should add a few mechanics in just to add some variation Or remove perception so people can go on the front foot easier I do use base Broly (obviously i transform and use the sparking cast) but id use him even if they removed those things I think all supers/ults should be unblockable it should be a timed counter or dodge
That dev interview that talked about balance not being a priority alongside the onset of "skill issue" as a term with brainrotted idiots spamming it anywhere that valid criticism is brought up has killed any chance of nuanced discussion about the game. It shouldn't be controversial to talk about things that clearly have too much of a skewed risk/reward ratio and how those moves/mechanics/etc completely ruin the quality of the gameplay. Just because something can be "countered" does not mean that it's designed well, and when things become too overcentralizing to the point that it kills the game's variety and enjoyment, it got changed. Plenty of things in this game definitely can be skill issues. 19 and Gero's grabs can be annoying but they're beaten the same way you beat 95% of the other grabs. Normal Afterimage and Wild Sense can be annoying but those are one time use and cost the same as revenge counter. However, being able to enter sparking instantly and having the means of locking somebody in place for an unblockable for like 3 health bars is not a skill issue on the defender's part. Not being able to play the game for ~15 seconds at no detriment to the Afterimage Strike user's part is not a skill issue on the non-user's part. Giants being able to loop an unblockable dash attack in sparking is not a skill issue on the defender's part considering the only options is spending skill gauge on perception or hoping they get a timed vanish in a game with stuttering connections in lag. There's clearly things that can be toned down a little and the game will be better off for it. Unfortunately, NPCs that get distracted by jingling keys, bark at their own reflection, and think red is the best flavor of crayon will begin rambling the same two lines of dialogue because they saw an article once. This game is as cooked as their brains are, and it's genuinely sad to see.
I am inclined to think singles isn't supposed to be balanced, the balance of this game is based around DP. If you like singles thats fine just know you will be fighting the strongest and thats all there is to it. That being said they should still be balanced characters (around DP cost specifically) so perhaps some tweaks do need to be implemented. When it comes to the cheap skills they should bring back KI SICKNESS, so that insta sparking and things like that cannot be spammed
After image strike either auto dodge 3 times only or make it last only 7 seconds while also stopping them from gaining any meter of any kind. Watch people move on to something else lol
I just be laughin at y’all. Its a reason these games dont have major tournament presence like FighterZ. Even then it’s a video game, just play your friends if it’s that deep. I could never imagine bein a grown man timhis mad about how people play a video game
I feel like they should make AIS like the old games where you dodge like 5 or 6 attacks then it goes away that being ki blast or fist instead of the 15 seconds
This is a skill issue everybody has the right to play whatever character they want and plus theres ways to counter ultimates and supers and broken moves, so this is a skill issue. I don't understand why this topic even happening. If they take time to learn the game and be better at the game but people don't take time to do shit but sit there and complain.
I agree with you homie however Don’t be telling people to make Smurf accounts just cause they are having a bad experience in their high ranks. Ya at that high rank for a reason, people in B ranks or lower obviously don’t get to play the game as often hence why they are at that rank. Or they just aren’t that good and B rank is the highest they can reach. Either way you gonna be ruining someone’s experience cause you clearly aren’t truly a C2 rank If people aren’t having fun playing in those high ranks anymore cause of the garbage broken mechanics, then that means it’s probably time to stop playing the game until dlc drops lmao
Yea I honestly I agree with this or just play single player I enjoy custom mode so much it's my favorite DBZ game off of gameplay alone but high rank play needs refinement cause it ain't fun
after you reach a certain rank you have to play in such a dumb and boring way. Everyone will be tryna cheese you and the way to counter it is often pretty boring. Afterimage strike for example, you basically have to play run away ki blast for 15 seconds and you have to accept that in reality, they will use it more than once so is more like 2 whole minutes of just playing run away. Every cheese tactic in the game has a counter to it, but is playing like that fun? most of the time no. I played this game so i can turn my brain off after a long day of work. Not to sweat my ass off going agaisnt little timmy here who doesnt have a job and plays this game 10 hours a day I dont got time to be practicing every cheese tactic counter
Yall need to learn how to dodge. Everything mentioned is something that you CAN counter or dodge. Aside from that learn to outplay shit. Afterimage strike, pay attention to skill gauges, when you see they use enough for afterimage you can throw an attack and vanish RIGHT AFTER. If you know theres an afterimage then don't commit to the attack. Superdashes from giants, dragon dash to their back and combo them. Full power ki spam, revenge counter, perception if they use a super, dragon dash if its unblockable. Dragon dash DURING ki reflection because you can do that. You can outskill and counter everything in this game. That being said there are tons of design flaws, but thats dragon ball z, super, and gt. People didnt ask for this game for a competitive ranked experience. That being said, again, this game is full of defense. You can defend against everything. Learn.
That being said, you complaining and calling someone bad because they're spamming stuff that's working on you. That literally means you have a skill issue because you aren't learning how to handle it.
It’s almost like you can’t hear. My boy. I understand how to deal with afterimage, already made a vid on it. But it shouldnt be able to be used 3 to 4 times in a match. That’s a whole 45-60 seconds where we can’t even fight. I’m not always gon have ki to spam. Ina old games u got Ki sickness after using it, just bring that back. Good lord…if u think that’s supposed to be able to be spammed, tuff. Don’t ever get it twisted, I know how to deal w/ cheese, but it don’t change the fact that it is cheese.
You had three skill points or whatever they’re called. It takes ONE to use a revenge counter while being spammed with ki blasts. Thats on you for not taking advantage of that and just sitting there getting hit 😂😂
@@XilPrivChannel Really Einstein? I had no clue. Obviously nobody wins every single game online. I said he wins a majority of his matches. Majority doesn't mean every single game. Learn to read.
Bro I agree with you it’s not a skill issue these dudes are really trash without all these exploitations and for those saying it’s not a skill issue I challenge you….ill start a tournament with rules the rules are you can’t use any moves only melee and blocks and grabs no skill points no supers or ults only straight hands let’s see if you’re really good at the game…bet no one will step up and drop the gamer tag
That kind of winning is hollow at best. You're not actually enjoying the game you're playing but instead just going through the motions. Playing cheap is never fun in any game
Im ok with all the broken shit. But i definitely feel like they should have a mode where all the characters stats are the same apart from their 1st and 2nd slot skills effect.
Literally I’m done with the community I’m a vegetio main I play responsibly and no I don’t abuse afterimage strike who do I see ssj4 gogeta abusing wild sense and big bang kamehama i legit go the fair route you can see who has skill in the game vs people who just cheese it
Man i been saying since release that the amount of effort i have to put into taking 2 or 3 bars of my rival's hp with the characters i enjoy is not worth the try cause i'll just get spammed with the autosparking skill and ultimates from ui and gogeta and lose the same amount of hp with just 1-3 inputs from them, it's not fun and i knew it would happen cause the tenkaichi series has always been broken but sparking took it too far, the only way i have fun playing it online is with my friends cause nobody plays the cheese characters and there's variety
I understand the design flaw in characters you go against like in Tekken for characters like idk Bryan ,dragonov and Hwoarang some their moves are nearly impossible to react to or escape.some moves of certain characters need to be nerf
Skill don’t beat cheese in this game. Therefore it cannot be a skill issue.
Says the person with the skill issue.... I dropped the PSN. Are you throwing hands or naaaaw? Ace_Savage9
@@ToxicM0 I gotta life my boy. Ima hitchu tmrw, if ion hitchu…hit me.
@@ToxicM0and my ban still up, it’ll be overwit tmrw. Just hit me.
Nah, skill can definitely beat cheese. Just not every time
every character has counter...
if you fight a character with unblockable ult..
bring out a low dp character with after image strike or a barrier...
I’m strictly casual, and I never play as gogeta. But I picked him last night and started beating my friend’s ass effortlessly and I was like no wonder people pick this mf
At the beginning I was playing Mid Goku SSJ, but when I got my ass beat by Gogeta the fourth time in a row I picked him and won like idk 12 fights in a row without struggling much, this mf is crazy
Now I play Goku Black Rose for the most time
@@SanchoooZ i did use super vegito as my main since he is my favorite, i barely use afterimage cause i am a aggresive fighter, i switch to vegito blue cause of the bad adsvertising ppl made of super vegito even if he is my favorite. I also try gogeta and jiren in s rank and thay stuff was too easy in term of dmg dude was dead before i even start doing stuff
Depends which gogeta you’re talking about cause ssj4 Gogeta is the only one that’s a problem I actually don’t mind the people who pick the other gogetas they straight in my book they play the game normally not much cheese that goes around with that character
@@vivaraulito the ssj4 just to see if he carry of if i was crazy and ...i am not crazy 😅 , yeah gogeta base super is a balanced version of the ssj 4 one
Effortlessly railed him up the a$$? That’s pretty gay.
“ they dont need to patch a damn thing” hes definitely a gogeta 4 main😂
gogeta is not really an issue imo, you got to counteract wild sense, android 19 though, might be a problem....
Gogetas damage just by punching is insane even without wild sense and he has instant sparking
Gogeta 4 is really good, but he's by no means the main problem, the same as in BT3.
The game really should have at least a little bit of balance tho. SZ is even more unbalanced than BT3, which was already unbalanced.
The game is supposed to be unbalanced, gogeta is supposed to op. The problem is spammers. People who just enter sparking mode and spam ki blast are the problem.
Ultimates should be unblockable.
But they shouldn't be able to be spam it.
@@absolutelyfookinnobody2843 His ult is fairly easy to vanish, unless after a lift strike, which makes it unvanishable.
They dont play to get better they play to win
Personally, I just love learning games and their mechanics so I can't relate. If someone truly is passionate about something they learn how to do it the right way. This just tells me it's ego and these players are having a power trip in the game because they're losers in real life
@@alexsanimeart5706 Exactly, I'm same as you. Love improving my skills and seeing growth from my day one performance.
Too many ppl jumping into cultures and not respecting the foundation of it. Fighting games aren't about ALL winning (Sure it a big part) but it's HOW you win. If a player is exploiting the games faults as, not only a crutch, but a means to play.... It's bad. Take players that use hacks
Nd other game breaking devices to get the edge on players in other games. They may do themselves a discredit cause they'll never truly learn what the game has to offer.
Also I don't get their philosophy on it when it comes to games.... Like I'm pretty sure those dudes wouldn't want a lobby full of cheaters just like them on COD because they'll leave to find a lobby that are full of genuine players.
This is almost done as some form of cyber bullying to some extent cause if you really really start thinking more in it, it gets sad for them. To lie to themselves for a temporary moment of satisfaction by ruining others who want to do things the right way. Just sad...
Sounds like they have winner mentalities eh? So if you’re not playing to win then you have the opposing mentality. What’s the opposite of a winner? Snap out of it.
@pingoftheyear4248 having a winning mentality doesn't involve sacrificing dignity
That Baki escaped prisoner mentality 🧠
Fights are a lot more funnier when ppl don’t cheese to win, or use the same 5 characters
But yall knew this gonna happends lol yall cant use the argument that they are 182 characters anymore this game is trash at the end of the day
Is this a cheesy team
I have 2
Goku super base
Android 17 z
Burter
Chiaoutzu
Team2
Goku super base
Android17 z
Recoome
Guldo
@@modihasn7911 nope
@@modihasn7911If it's a cheesy team you know that it's a cheesy team
People that have cheesy teams, have each character of the team (or the majority) for a precise reason that they know and abuse consciously in the game
Bardock for the instant-unstopable sparking mode, Roshi-Videl-Goku Kid-Vegito SS for the after image, Androids 19 to spam the super armour and grabs, Giant character to do giant character things, etc
When someone have a cheesy team, they have it on purpose and to abuse it
That DB lofi goes SO FUCKING HARD.
4real
People use the argument “well the game is supposed to be unbalanced”. It’s supposed to be accurate to the anime so that Gogeta would stomp someone like Videl with ease. It doesn’t make sense to intentionally add mechanics that make a game unfun. The whole point of dp battle is to have variety so that the lesser powered characters can and will be played, vs single battle which encourages strong solo character with higher DP.
Think about it; do you think the devs were sitting in their offices thinking “yeah let’s make unblockable ultimates that you can fire immediately after getting jailed by ki blasts and do 70% of your health”? Of course not because they ultimately want people to enjoy the game
Unbalanced doesn’t have to mean unfun, but in some cases of this game it is and so amendment is needed. Nerfing Yajirobe, although he’s still very powerful, gives me hope that they can and will fix some of the dumb and corny mechanics in the game
Edit: that doesn’t mean that there aren’t strong character that don’t rely on cheese. Look at Kid Buu. Strong ass character but no unblockable ult, no super armor, no afterimage, etc. he has a reasonably powerful heal and instant transmission. His heal only does a bit over a bar of health and has a very long activation time so it isn’t easy to pull off. Instant transmission is very strong but is easy to counter if not used correctly. He does good damage but not fusion level. More characters should be strong in the way kid Buu is strong, not how Jiren or Wheelo are strong
people saying its a skill issue when a jiren or broly enters sparking and just ki blast spams you straight into unblockable ultimate that will hit 22k+ bruhhh...
Don’t forget Kefla 😂
Nd u cannot vanish it because for some reason moves come out before the cutscene ends
Kefla is not good, you bettwr learn her timing. She aint even unblockable. @yusei756
Man I thought it was just me 😭 why did they make the game this way
@@Joe-k8l8zbro what are you talking about about I whooped a full power jiren as a saibermen yesterday two times he only beat me once I was doing solos but the point still stands lol and as for ultimates they can be vanished if timed correctly at the last sec before contact it's really fast tho but possible agents full power jiren and alot of the cast in the game normaly I just look for the last frame of the ult and press the b button there don't readily tap it just one tap after cutscene has endid and it has to be the exact second it dose if your up close if far way it's as simple as timing it but yea you can dodge them it's just hard to do buddy but yea best battles I had yesterday were with saibermen vs full power jiren saibermen vs great ape baby
And yamcha gogeta blue won each match easily just need more practice
That comment of the game being unbalanced on purpose was a smart move from the devs.
They can hide behind that while releasing one of the most broken, borderline unplayable at times arena fighters ever and massive chunks of the community will say "well it's supposed to be unbalanced" to defend it.
20sec long vanish wars, Z counter being so easy to mash out, afterimage strike, random supers and ults being unblockable, instant spark. It's all just a mess. Ironically enough it does balance itself with the broken vs broken mentality.
But it makes the game complete ass to play. Dropped it a few days after me and my mates got the vanish/Z counter timing down, cos the game just stops existing at that point. The only thing that works is a cheese strat and we all collectively agreed the game wasn't worth our time anymore.
Glad i didnt buy this trash game i swear i got it gameshared the fact that ppl defends this crap is the reason why never got all the shadow dragons gods angels general rildo bcuc ppl.eat everything dbz throws at them its sad now they gonna wait 3 month to fix this shit oh wait maybe they gonna do it like connections and patch it once the dlc is drops
And i agree with you on the worth our time anymore the game is lame ngl z vanish battles are lame super counter.is ez to do which i guess is a plus since it was harder to do in bt3 also it seems to me thag characters like gogeta did way less dmg in bt3 than zero
And people don't understand why it's rated a 6/10 by Gamespot.
@@nnnmmmablethe reason that were listed above are not the reason it for a 6/10
@@nnnmmmableeverything this guys mentioned has nothing to do with the enjoyablity as a party game. Similar to Mario Kart. Or any of the offline modes. Ranked and playing against people who could give less of a f*¢k if you have a good time or not will make the game look bad, that’s true for any game. Go play custom battles n enjoy other players creations or maybe find some friends (Ik a lot of y’all unfortunately don’t have 7 friends but that’s tuff) to run a tourney with, but the game isn’t bad bc weirdos r being weird online lmao.
0:16 that “let me ask yall a question” let me know I was in for a classic video 😂😂😂😂
No matter what, there's gonna be people that defend this. I just made a short vid on why they need to nerf skill points increasing so fast. You don't have to do anything but take damage and do a vanish war and you got up to 4 skill points. Too many characters have instant sparking mode. Instant transmission to run to a super.
A mui player told me that I'm sweating too much because I broke his ki and did a 40 combo with hit. He said I deserved to get instant ult. I didn't take it serious and was like gg's and I friended him. He said he was suprised he won that because instant sparking even though his defense was awful, lol. But I have a skill issue. I play hit on ranked, but I main Bergamo, garlic Jr, A.13.
I play hit in ranked too. It can be hard to counter the cheese with him, all you really have is that one move where you’re invulnerable for 1 hit. If he didn’t have that he would be so trash because his time skip move isn’t worth using. His other 2 moves are good tho, and his ult is decent, he does good damage.
@clippsz His time skip is like instant transmission where it's an auto lock off for your opponent. I do this to spark spammers to get ki to immediately block a rush or activate ki clone.
hit is broken but he isn't overpowered. I believe he's clearly below ssj4 and mui in terms of power. I think hit is equal to ssb gogeta broken but not overpowered. Regarding his Ult is good but his jump spike is stupid lol. You can be far away barely seeing your opponent and can still teleport to them. That's like the only thing he has lol.
Man I've been saying this... I can deal with the 15 secs for afterimage but its not 15 seconds... it's the whole fucking match because everything happens too fast on this game!!! Including the skill count refilling ridiculously fast so players can just spam afterimage badically the entire fight nonstop
It takes skill to not let your opponent get sparking, or instant sparking. It takes skill to watch for grabs and counter them. Can’t speak for the giant spam rush tho💀😂
THANK YOU!!!! I’m sick of these clowns acting like they’re pro for playing with easy characters
Ur vid inspired me to try and make a bt3 vs. sparking zero comparison cause im so tired of fake weirdos saying it's just like bt3 WRONG! you could do combos from the front so perception spam was not a issue, afterimage did not make you invincible for 15 secs, no ultimates were unblockable except grab ults which you could tech the throw so it was fair, apes didn't have a free unblockable shoulder spam etc...
Stg bro. Idk what they was thinking wit some of this stuff.
There were still unblock-able ultimates ssj2 Gohan and broly to be exact
Beautifully said bro... beautifully said
@@jordonkareem2486There were more: Goku's (Early, End and GT) Spirit Bombs were unblockable. Gohan's and Goten's bro Kamehameha. Roshi's lightning attack. Freeza's soldier ultimate. I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting some as well.
It also didn't have frame delay and it didn't eat inputs. Budokai Tenkaichi 3 was better mechanically. This game needs a serious mechanics and operational stability rework.
As a Future Gohan / Bardock main, the online really makes you feel like you're fighting insurmountable odds.
Either getting ganged up on by the afterimage strike crew and friends (mostly Broly)
Or desperately trying to outskill a Fusion / Wheelo or MUI spamming their broken Super/Ults
While I managed to win most of my matches so far, I dont reall plan on coming back to the cesspool that is ranked anytime soon
And yk what's funny too dragon ball is a anime about not giving up, fighting through the struggle and we got people playin the game rage quittin, using exploits the whole 9 the complete opposite of what the anime is about so I gotta think did these mfs really watch the same anime I did?
They are role playing as sneaking people like frost
@@IamSammichthey all a bunch of frost frauds 😂😂😂
Man I've been saying this! They're such a disgrace
Agreed man 100%. I'd love to see the cheese removed. Most of it at least.
And the rage quitting is crazy 😭 i don't leave at all, and half of my matches or more someone leaves. It's so goofy
ima keep it a buck. I play goku mid goku end of Z and goku super that's my team 3 characters. If i see someone running a cheese team i'm leaving. I really don't care. the game can ban me or remove the cheese.
I'm not sitting through 360 seconds of someone cheesing with a team of 4 giants or stall meta.. with 5 characters. they aint getting points out of me
The game is made for people who got whooped in fighterz. They needed a easy game with cheese to feel like they’re good at a game.
DonCooli0, ignore the wierdo goofies. Anyone who says the single celled braindead response of "get good", "you're just trash", or "skill issue" are the same shitters who abuse the broken mechanics and rage quit to the top. They only want the digital points to get to the top. It's only about the win for them. Not the fun of that characters, show, or game. They will try and convince you off all the bullshit to justify them being losers in the game and in life. There is no way in hell that everyone online favorite characters are Yajirobi, videl, dr wheelo etc... Telling these losers to stop is like talking to a wall. They have all shameless convinced themselves that they are good and that little rank next to their name is the only thing they will have to able to show for it. Until they inevitably get banned for rage quiting enough times, after being beaten by real players who are actually getting better and better every second of every day while they stay using the same cheese. 😂 Just wait it out. All the fake S - Z ranks who got there using these "methods" will be cleared out soon enough.
@@Jnett3 nuff said.
The problem most comes from the skills being op and not the actual characters with a few exceptions (Giants with their unlockable dash, Gogeta SS4 with the immense gap in stats between everyone in the game.) You notice in singles ranked, it's only the 4hp characters with moves like insta-sparking or afterimage strike being used because skills in general are too forgiving, they have no cooldowns, skills with startup animation can be spammed since skill points aren't taken at the activation but instead when it's active, skill points overall build fast and really good skills are only 3 points to get, making them really easy to get.
And before someone says "it's Tenkaichi, it's supposed to be unbalanced", Yes, it's not supposed to be balance but the skills are the things making a character OP, not the character itself being OP.
ie: Z Gogeta is less viable than Goku (Mid) because his skills aren't any good despite doing more damage and having more health.
Uhm the game is still all about fusions and giants skills dont matter dmg does
Missing my point, Skills determine if a character is viable most of time, one of the least used Fusions is Z Gogeta because his skills aren't Wild Sense, Afterimage Strike, Insta-Spark, Full Power if your character doesn't have them, you're basically playing Hard Mode and Extreme Mode against Fusions because unlike other characters you don't have a "Get Out of Jail Free Card" or "A Free Ultimate Card", 80% of time I've lost to a MUI, Beerus, FP Jiren, Z Broly or Fusion is because they can abuse their skills like everybody else, being able to double ult, grab spamming just so they can get their insta-sparking off and use their unblockable, it's the same gameplan with them. Get 3 Skills Points, Use InstaSpark, Spam Ult to Win. You could play this braindead with any character with Instant Spark and win against most of the cast but Fusions are only dominating because that extra health and damage is a extra shield of protection behind it.
@@Joyyamvs garbage ahh game they had 5 years to make more balanced
@@Joyyamvs so basically guldo is weaker than z gogeta it doesnt matter how you put it skill doesnt mean shit against z gogeta with guldo
Thank you😭someone finally said this. Skills make this game so stupid
I feel the game’s biggest issue is in its system mechanics. There is a major disparity currently in the ease with which you can utilize certain moves, and the skill that it requires to overcome those moves. Thing is, though, a lot of it is easily fixed if you just think about it for a second, but clearly the devs didn’t play test the game at all. People try to argue that the game is unbalanced on purpose and not meant to be competitive, but I would pose the question: is it fun to be forced to deal with ultimate spam at any level of play, and is it fun to know that the only reason you won in the absence of said spam is because your opponent purposely chose not to use their best move? For me, the answer is hell no to both. I don’t care what their intentions were for this game competition wise, I know damn well the game is supposed to be fun for everybody that plays it, and people ain’t having that much fun with certain things right now, regardless of their skill level, so I would say a fix is definitely required and a reasonable request.
100%. Def not too fun in its current state
Thanks for doing my request! Great video.
Fasho.
"They don need to patch a Damn thing." I'm dead ☠
i think it's a skill issue and some design flaw...most people that are complaining are upset that they can't play the game the way they wanna play it...it's a bunch of skills to counter and/or avoid the cheese players...most cheese players rely on the cheese...once u get around the cheese (which requires skill) you'll be fine
Perfect answer
Okay but why can't they just play without cheese though, imo if you only use ui goku or ssj4 gogeta you are infact not good at the game. You're a fraud simple as that, if you pick literally anyone else that has 3 bars of health you'll get exposed
@@divinity1495Agreed
thing is for some things there is no counter play. If your out of Ki and a dr wheelo enters sparking mode and just spams you with his unblockable dash there isnt anything you can really do about that you're eating that for the most part.. And the cheeser knows it.
@hyperkaioken4982 true that's y this is more strategy than people think...most of yall want a button mashing game but it's clear defense is the most important thing in this game...the best players learn how to conserve their key and skill guage...unless it's clear u can win without such strategy
I cried laughing at 1:22 😂😂😂😂 so much of this stuff requires no skill
A rank mode exists in the game but by no means is this a ranked game. The devs don’t care about balances for rank.
Z rank means nothing when you don’t lose ranking for leaving. Then it means the ranking system is compromised by flaws like that.
The skill points need to just go up at a constant rate. Why are we rewarding mf’s for getting their ass beat !? They lose 2 bars of health and do two vanish wars and they got their skill count completely full. In BT3 skill points just increased with time and not through means of battle. Which is much better because it allows less spam. You could only use wild sense 1-2 times in single matches back then.
They honestly just need to fix that and that bug where u go into slow motion mid combo shit drives me nuts. There’s a lot to fix in this game I hope they don’t just ignore these issues cause I really fuck with this game but these inconveniences are gonna get old quick. Shit they already are
Literally bro, I’m so tired of absolutely deleting 4 health bars off of a fusion just for them to fucking get an instant spark and kill me with 1 combo and a super
And then when you interrupt the instant spark they don’t even lose the skill points, it just seems wacky as hell and caters to bad players
I love single battle just like most people here, and I main gt so for a majority of my matches I’ve played most versions of gt Goku but then I run into z Broly with his sparking cheese and G4’s. It got to the point where I said “ fuck it let me run G4 for a bit “ never had so many UI’s and G4’s rage quit when I’m just returning the favor.
Yeah, this issue can be found in a lot of games.
At this point, i just think.
If you play with cheese, you might as well just be pressing the win button. Cuz the win won't matter.
But if you win with skill, it's a well-earned win.
Some of the cheese is definitely worse than the rest. Giant dash spam can be dealt with if you hoard skill points for heavy perception, and false courage grab spam can be dealt with using clever techs and sidestepping. Afterimage strike has no such counterplay, you literally just don’t get to interact
First of all I AGREE 100% with your overall point but at the same time bro Why are we mad the games not competitive. The creators showed full transparency in saying this is NOT a competitive fighter… if yall chose to take the game serious that’s on you not the design of the game… we got EXACTLY what they told us we would get… if you wanna play competitive take that to SF6, this game is 4 fun… play your competitive games then hop on sparking to chill
Naw bro you not trippin!! Ranked is sad how many Top tiers you see or cheap/cheese characters!! 💯
This why I stopped taking this game seriously, I'm finna either peace out to another form of content or do content on offline mode cause the online be straight cheese lmfao
Sell their soul to win is hilarious
That sparking mode needs to be adjusted in some way broly players and jirens love going into the form cause they got no hands at all.
People worked HARD for YEARS to create the game. And people tear it down in less than a month smh. The makers can’t predict how lame people are
Anyone who says “get good” is automatically not good. There is a difference in getting beat by a better player and getting beat by a better character
This game is so fun when you don’t play against sum bs, ppl just have fragile ego tbh
This is a great idea for after image..... they should make it where as soon as you activate it, you dodge everything, but the moment you attack it stops your after image
It shouldn't give you a buff to your defense AND your offense cause that's what it's doing
GODMODE
1. Rage quitters are (allegedly) being penalized for doing that. If that's not enforced, then yes -- it needs to be.
2. Characters being deliberately unbalanced and having cheese doesn't make the game flawed. Sure. Calling it annoying is a valid opinion, but this is BT4. I'm glad it retains the spirit of the series. If you don't like BT that's fine; just play something else.
3. Telling people they have a "skill issue" is an NPC level response. Yeah. You can absolutely win and overcome the cheesers. Yeah. Not learning how to best that is on you (the player); especially if you want to use weaker characters because you don't like cheese or to use outright better characters. It absolutely can be done.
In conclusion: it's human behavior to exploit any game to make winning easier for them. This is no exception.
To add: everything I said is to anyone reading this. You (the uploader) asked for opinions, so I gave mine.
First minute I gave you an instant sub. Thank you for being reasonable. People think everything is skill issue when you lose... it's not that we are even really losing to the spammers that use these tactics... its just the fact that they're flawed. No game is released on launch and perfect... people are psychotic. Dr Wheelo Four Health Bars at 4 DP? I think the only thing that makes the Android 19 and 20 OP is the fact that when you Fly around or rush it doesn't take any Ki I think that is definitely a problem, but the truth is compared to everything else you mentioned the grab has the most counter play. In Z rank you will RARELY get a grab off unless you rightfully earn it and spamming that shit will get you touched up. I love this game and like you said man its 2024 we trying to win people think it isn't competitive like I'm always going to do what I can to win which means the shit you listed. I be on Dr Wheelo so much because when you 4 DP and you kill a 7-10DP character nothing feels better.
Edit: You know what would make DP fire? They need to make the DP Limit 16 and 3 characters maximum. 3 characters maximum.
Preciate u brodie.
For the kill blast spam you can revenge counter it to close the distance for free n hit em especially if you have more stock its won matches for me
You can’t revenge counter broly fam 😹😹 that’s how I know yall not z rank
I think one of the misconceptions is that people believe we are saying yoi can't use the skills and that's not it. I just shouldn't have to deal with it 2-3 times during a match. Some skills should have a cap on how many times you can use it during a match. Wild sense is one of my favorites from back in the day because it's a bail out move (Most fighting games have those) but I should not be able to activate it 3-4 times after a couple vanish wars and taking damage.
@@Katosmoke023 couldn’t have said it better.
People who say ''skill issue'' are the people who use the cheese themselves, since they use it themselves they don't see what's wrong with it
skill issue
Bro skill issue doesn't mean people are using the cheese we got people out here using saiberman and Hercule to pop wins and there hard to play as I lost 15 matches before as a saiberman before I started getting wins in high ranked matches with him it's patience and understanding your mistakes if your struggling save a replay and watch it you'll see were your struggling and then take the time to fix that mistake so it never happens again or as often
@@dogfighterzssjb3182
Bro, this isn't make believe land, and dont lie either.
Aint no one in high rank playing SSJ4 Gogetas or MUI Gokus losing to someone playing saibamen.
Go upload a video of you winning in ranked in high elo as saibamen, then come talk to me. And you better show you're in ranked and not staging it in player match, as rank is also shown in player matches.
@@dogfighterzssjb3182look at the leaderboards bro😂they don’t lie. It’s nothing but top tiers. There are a few non tops up there though.
@@dogfighterzssjb3182nobody is actually climbing the ranks using shitty characters brother, you’re falling for UA-cam videos in which the content creator is already at the rank they are claiming to reach
100 percent agree with you in 5:20
Players that rely on cheese. That run around thinking they're good.
Is the funniest shit i have ever seen.
Absolute weirdos thinking that they actually deserve the "title"
Which is why titles dont mean shit.
What really matters are the thumbs lol.
I’m finding that I’m having more fun playing offline than I do online. It’s more worth my time m to hop onto custom battles and make a long drawn out intense fight than dealing w/vanish wars and lag
Honestly yes it does take skill for some of these to work consistently because eventually ppl find ways around them I've figured out
Don’t blame the game blame the players, streamers and community. People look for the easy way out. My team is gohan and videl to bro
This is what happens when you take a game that was tearing apart families over a decade ago and make it online globally
Bro I ran into a guy he kept spamming our first match had afterimage I couldn’t touch him. And when the rematch came I turned the tables and did the same thing and won. After he realized that I can do the same thing but better he quit on the third match. I don’t usually spam I usually just play normally and have fun but this dude had me fed up. I NEEDED to teach him a lesson.
Them niggas be overly weird
@ facts
Real losers are people who cant accept that they lost. Rage quitters, no matter how many matches they win, are the ultimate losers. What they do goes beyond exploiting the game, it is a complete shutdown of the experience and immersion of the game entirely, just to avoid loss. Thats like an MMA fighter about to lose, so he calls off the match mid fight. The entire event has to shut down all because he cant accept that he will lose. Thats the Ultimate Loser.
Shit can definitely be annoying sometimes but everything can be vanished with the right timing
you can vanish or super counter ki blast spam? can you vanish afterimage strike? if youre stunlocked can you vanish or super counter unblockables? brother get real
I got to a point where I stopped picking characters i genuinely enjoy playing with because all I ever run into are UI Goku , Gogeta SS4 , SS Vegito or kefla. So i just pick full power jiren
at first I used to be annoyed ppl picked gogeta so much in ranked but now I just play with ability item’s on and buff my own character 🤷♂️
Man's really said, "don't aspire to be the top, the top rage quitted his way to the top." Meanwhile if you rage quit you get banned from ranked.
The issue with you is you aim for mediocrity. "Don't try to get good. Make a second account and stay at the trash tier." That is how you succeed at taking the easy way out. That's goofy.
It’s like I can get dragged through the mud by a giant because I’m messing the timing to dodge an unblockable up, I deal with Mui Goku or gogeta ssj4 spamming perception to special or ult or I fight an entire dp lineup of afterimage strike and a gogeta, in which in most cases, folks quit. I’m starting to get the feeling Bandai Manco needs to find a way to separate the people who are here to train and go stupid with their favorite change and the people that choose to be stupid and use things to abuse and make their way up rank. Now let me ask you, is it a skill issue? I’d say yes to an extent but after a certain point, it’s just bs and a design flaw.
9:10
Try
Tekken king character.
If you dont know, his grab attacks are exactly what you mentioned.
It has the ability to literally make the enemy sit there and watch.
OD
I think people should be able to get rewarded for people for others rage quitting but I don’t thing rage quitters should get penalized. It’s really not that deep
Love your videos homie keepem coming your one of my favorite players to watch
Preciate u, n I gotchu gang.
alright i wont lie i'm guilty of the bringing them to 2 bars of health and going sparking with majin Vegeta and blowing myself up to win the fight....I CONFESS! but no rage quit thats a sin you have to own that loss. but the skill is increasing slowly 😅
it honestly depends on the individual mechanic. for example after image strike if theres a character on your team that has im going to fuse into vegito and beat your ass with your after image strike or instant sparking. theres so many different character with instant sparking it aint funny and honestly broly ult is laughbly easy to blink out of . however there are also mechanics that dont have counter play
All they need to do is add character bans in ranked and ranked alone. Each player chooses 2 characters to ban and this will make ranked more skill based while allowing people to play what they want in the regular game modes
Then Gogeta Ssj4 wouldn't be playable in any lobby, I think what they want is for anyone to play anything without it being super broken, people will always find a work around for anything if they can't get ssj4 gogeta then they'll go a giant or 2nd best
No just balance the damn game
Like siege😂
Or just balance the game : /
I just create my own lobby now and kick whoever runs op characters lol
It’s an anime fighter. It’s not meant to be balanced it’s supposed to be fun. And anime fighters have always been like this. Naruto storm, Xenoverse, it’s always been there. But because we live in an age with constant you tube coverage and complaints, a lot of people are wondering why it’s so busted. And yea, a lot of people flex on sparking zero while using yajirobe or some other character that only gets used for their broken skills. That’s why you can’t take the game seriously and SO many of y’all casuals wanna do that. Dragon ball isn’t street fighter, and it isn’t Tekken.
Those who only say "skill issue" are only kids who never played bt3, in that game the ones who were the cry babies were the Gogeta ssj 4, kid buu or Broly players, now you are the baby if you call any of these players handless monkeys
This is why the game cannot be “truly” competitive, especially when it’s deliberately imbalanced. I already find the nuance of defensive mechanics to be annoying as is. This game is arguably harder compared to when I started playing FighterZ, but that’s just me.
They should add a few mechanics in just to add some variation
Or remove perception so people can go on the front foot easier
I do use base Broly (obviously i transform and use the sparking cast) but id use him even if they removed those things
I think all supers/ults should be unblockable it should be a timed counter or dodge
“Skill issue”. The people just out themselves 🤷♂️
Bro the dbz game community has been toxic since xenoverse, they will rage quit just so the loss don't show up on their win/lose ratio
@@takaharamaragara1392 facts. Xenoverse is when these weirdos peeped they head out first.
i think if they do a separate character rank that combines to build ur rank, or a ranked mod for each dp interval i think it will balance it out
That dev interview that talked about balance not being a priority alongside the onset of "skill issue" as a term with brainrotted idiots spamming it anywhere that valid criticism is brought up has killed any chance of nuanced discussion about the game. It shouldn't be controversial to talk about things that clearly have too much of a skewed risk/reward ratio and how those moves/mechanics/etc completely ruin the quality of the gameplay. Just because something can be "countered" does not mean that it's designed well, and when things become too overcentralizing to the point that it kills the game's variety and enjoyment, it got changed.
Plenty of things in this game definitely can be skill issues. 19 and Gero's grabs can be annoying but they're beaten the same way you beat 95% of the other grabs. Normal Afterimage and Wild Sense can be annoying but those are one time use and cost the same as revenge counter.
However, being able to enter sparking instantly and having the means of locking somebody in place for an unblockable for like 3 health bars is not a skill issue on the defender's part. Not being able to play the game for ~15 seconds at no detriment to the Afterimage Strike user's part is not a skill issue on the non-user's part. Giants being able to loop an unblockable dash attack in sparking is not a skill issue on the defender's part considering the only options is spending skill gauge on perception or hoping they get a timed vanish in a game with stuttering connections in lag.
There's clearly things that can be toned down a little and the game will be better off for it. Unfortunately, NPCs that get distracted by jingling keys, bark at their own reflection, and think red is the best flavor of crayon will begin rambling the same two lines of dialogue because they saw an article once. This game is as cooked as their brains are, and it's genuinely sad to see.
I am inclined to think singles isn't supposed to be balanced, the balance of this game is based around DP. If you like singles thats fine just know you will be fighting the strongest and thats all there is to it. That being said they should still be balanced characters (around DP cost specifically) so perhaps some tweaks do need to be implemented.
When it comes to the cheap skills they should bring back KI SICKNESS, so that insta sparking and things like that cannot be spammed
I agree.
Smart ass title keep going bruh u doing great
Yooooo I played that happy birthday dude. I was cookin him and he quit right before his health dropped to zero. Bros cheeks
I had a super vegito message me saying he expected better from ui goku and then said afterimage is easiest thing to dodge and adapt to😂😂😂
After image strike either auto dodge 3 times only or make it last only 7 seconds while also stopping them from gaining any meter of any kind. Watch people move on to something else lol
I think the best way is to split it by category- it could go like this
No hold bar
S class to A class
B and c
So on and so forth
Especially for ranked
Rank means nothing you missed the point of the video
The perception cheese is so damn annoying tbh. Everyone else can do it but me 😭😭😭
I just be laughin at y’all. Its a reason these games dont have major tournament presence like FighterZ. Even then it’s a video game, just play your friends if it’s that deep. I could never imagine bein a grown man timhis mad about how people play a video game
homie said, no body fav character is dr. wheelo lmoa XD. bro thats some real shit
I feel like they should make AIS like the old games where you dodge like 5 or 6 attacks then it goes away that being ki blast or fist instead of the 15 seconds
talk to em, chief.
I mean it does take a little skill to be good at the cheese itself 😂
This is a skill issue everybody has the right to play whatever character they want and plus theres ways to counter ultimates and supers and broken moves, so this is a skill issue. I don't understand why this topic even happening. If they take time to learn the game and be better at the game but people don't take time to do shit but sit there and complain.
Man, I just wanted to play Super Buu.
Wish it was a way for them to tell the difference from game crashes & rage quits
I reached A5 last night and just said i cant move foward without cheesing
I also avoided the op characters at the beginning, now goku UI all the way untill they make it more balanced
I agree with you homie however
Don’t be telling people to make Smurf accounts just cause they are having a bad experience in their high ranks.
Ya at that high rank for a reason, people in B ranks or lower obviously don’t get to play the game as often hence why they are at that rank. Or they just aren’t that good and B rank is the highest they can reach. Either way you gonna be ruining someone’s experience cause you clearly aren’t truly a C2 rank
If people aren’t having fun playing in those high ranks anymore cause of the garbage broken mechanics, then that means it’s probably time to stop playing the game until dlc drops lmao
@@opinionmaker464 I feel that.
Yea I honestly I agree with this or just play single player I enjoy custom mode so much it's my favorite DBZ game off of gameplay alone but high rank play needs refinement cause it ain't fun
after you reach a certain rank you have to play in such a dumb and boring way. Everyone will be tryna cheese you and the way to counter it is often pretty boring. Afterimage strike for example, you basically have to play run away ki blast for 15 seconds and you have to accept that in reality, they will use it more than once so is more like 2 whole minutes of just playing run away. Every cheese tactic in the game has a counter to it, but is playing like that fun? most of the time no. I played this game so i can turn my brain off after a long day of work. Not to sweat my ass off going agaisnt little timmy here who doesnt have a job and plays this game 10 hours a day I dont got time to be practicing every cheese tactic counter
Yall need to learn how to dodge. Everything mentioned is something that you CAN counter or dodge. Aside from that learn to outplay shit. Afterimage strike, pay attention to skill gauges, when you see they use enough for afterimage you can throw an attack and vanish RIGHT AFTER. If you know theres an afterimage then don't commit to the attack. Superdashes from giants, dragon dash to their back and combo them.
Full power ki spam, revenge counter, perception if they use a super, dragon dash if its unblockable. Dragon dash DURING ki reflection because you can do that. You can outskill and counter everything in this game.
That being said there are tons of design flaws, but thats dragon ball z, super, and gt. People didnt ask for this game for a competitive ranked experience. That being said, again, this game is full of defense. You can defend against everything. Learn.
That being said, you complaining and calling someone bad because they're spamming stuff that's working on you. That literally means you have a skill issue because you aren't learning how to handle it.
It’s almost like you can’t hear. My boy. I understand how to deal with afterimage, already made a vid on it. But it shouldnt be able to be used 3 to 4 times in a match. That’s a whole 45-60 seconds where we can’t even fight. I’m not always gon have ki to spam. Ina old games u got Ki sickness after using it, just bring that back. Good lord…if u think that’s supposed to be able to be spammed, tuff. Don’t ever get it twisted, I know how to deal w/ cheese, but it don’t change the fact that it is cheese.
You had three skill points or whatever they’re called. It takes ONE to use a revenge counter while being spammed with ki blasts. Thats on you for not taking advantage of that and just sitting there getting hit 😂😂
Yeah, you right they would! 😢 @2:22 - @2:31
They say skill issue but Don still wins a majority of those matches.
I mean he only shows the games on UA-cam he wins. If you think he's fr winning every game but he can't get out of A rank ur gullible.
@@XilPrivChannel Really Einstein? I had no clue. Obviously nobody wins every single game online. I said he wins a majority of his matches. Majority doesn't mean every single game. Learn to read.
@Mel-fk8vy Ok. If he's struggling vs these strategies he's not very good.
Bro I agree with you it’s not a skill issue these dudes are really trash without all these exploitations and for those saying it’s not a skill issue I challenge you….ill start a tournament with rules the rules are you can’t use any moves only melee and blocks and grabs no skill points no supers or ults only straight hands let’s see if you’re really good at the game…bet no one will step up and drop the gamer tag
3:26 "...because winning is fun."
That kind of winning is hollow at best. You're not actually enjoying the game you're playing but instead just going through the motions. Playing cheap is never fun in any game
@@iRoNiiC_H3R0 That's something a loser would say fr fr.
Im ok with all the broken shit. But i definitely feel like they should have a mode where all the characters stats are the same apart from their 1st and 2nd slot skills effect.
Literally I’m done with the community I’m a vegetio main I play responsibly and no I don’t abuse afterimage strike who do I see ssj4 gogeta abusing wild sense and big bang kamehama i legit go the fair route you can see who has skill in the game vs people who just cheese it
Man i been saying since release that the amount of effort i have to put into taking 2 or 3 bars of my rival's hp with the characters i enjoy is not worth the try cause i'll just get spammed with the autosparking skill and ultimates from ui and gogeta and lose the same amount of hp with just 1-3 inputs from them, it's not fun and i knew it would happen cause the tenkaichi series has always been broken but sparking took it too far, the only way i have fun playing it online is with my friends cause nobody plays the cheese characters and there's variety
This is definitely a skill game . And 100 percent has a skill gap. But the shit people be doing cheesin and shit is not skill. At all
I understand the design flaw in characters you go against like in Tekken for characters like idk Bryan ,dragonov and Hwoarang some their moves are nearly impossible to react to or escape.some moves of certain characters need to be nerf