Episode 261 The Debrief on Disclosure

Original Airdate 06.24.2023 (On Podcast Audio Platforms)
In December 2017, the New York Times published a ground-breaking article titled “Glowing Auras and Black Money: The Pentagon’s Mysterious UFO Program.” The report was noteworthy not only for what it brought to light about the earnest government/military study of the UAP phenomenon but also that such a storied and seemingly no-nonsense newspaper like the New York Times finally took the subject seriously as well. We followed up in January 2018 with a two-part episode called “Imminent Disclosure?” The question mark on the title indicated we weren’t sure when FULL disclosure would arrive, but drips and drops of astounding revelations were indeed on the horizon. Five and a half years later, since that watershed coverage made a splash, two of its original journalists, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean, have done it again. On June 5th, 2003, they published an article about a former intelligence official and whistleblower named David Grusch. That article is called “Intelligence Officials Say US Has Retrieved Craft of Non-human Origin.” The title alone should speak to the world-changing implications. Because this story needed daylight quickly, it was published on an independent news website called TheDebrief.org. As it turns out, our good friend and colleague, Micah Hanks, also co-founded that news organization. Thanks to Micah, we were fortunate to be granted an interview with Ralph Blumenthal to get the story behind the story. Following our discussion, we’ll hear from Micah, the Editor in Chief at The Debrief, and Chrissy Newton, their head of Media Relations and a long-time podcaster herself, to consider where we all go from here.
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Chapters:
00:00:00 - Astonishing Legends Update
00:05:09 - Updates and Announcements
00:09:28 - Working on the Pulitzer Prize-winning story
00:14:00 - Colleague Reactions and Vetting Sources
00:18:52 - Pushback on UFO Research
00:23:30 - The Compartmentalization of Information
00:28:09 - National Park after Dark and Conspiracy Theories
00:32:55 - Tainted Document and Deliberate Misinformation
00:37:20 - Publishing the Story
00:42:01 - John Mack - The Believer
00:46:39 - The Historical Phenomenon of UFO Encounters
00:51:36 - Fear and Strange Experiences
00:56:24 - Being honest about unexplained phenomena
01:00:33 - How many lessons are the perfect amount of time?
01:04:57 - Introduction and Guest Introductions
01:09:04 - Vetting Process of Publishing a Story
01:13:06 - Uncovering the Truth in Reporting
01:17:02 - The Debrief's Focus on Science, Technology, and UFOs
01:21:18 - The History of UFOs and the Canadian Perspective
01:25:26 - Championing the UFO Topic in Canada
01:29:50 - Canada's Relationship with the US and Transparency Concerns
01:34:02 - Congressional Action and the Possibility of Classified Information
01:38:31 - Levels of Acceptance and the Existence of UFOs
01:43:05 - Waiting for Government Confirmation
01:47:20 - Autonomous Probes
01:51:14 - Multiple Dimensions and the Unknown
01:55:26 - The Complexity of Aliens and Human Perception
01:59:48 - UFOs and Human Tendency to Ascribe Agency
02:04:11 - Discovering Unusual Technology
02:08:19 - The Importance of Science and Experimentation toward Advancement
02:12:48 - Intro Music