Adolf Hitler was a pretty big heel draw in the late 30's/early 40's. He was a heat magnet and could cut a promo, but his work rate wasn't the best because he was all pilled up and insisted on being head booker in Germany, which wound up sending the whole promotion down the tubes.
This unironically sounds like the way Corny would tell that story 😂 On that same note - I'd argue A.H. was THE most convincing promo there ever has been. He convinced hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people to join his stable and do his bidding, he barely did any of the work he's most known for (if any at all) by himself. It's a shame he decided to use his talents to do that absolute outlaw bullshit.
The fact there has been exposés as early as the 30s, but wrestling still remained popular long afterwards, only exposes the myth that people believed it was all real up until the 80s. Maybe people really just like suspending their disbelief.
What happened in the 1930s was that many sports reporters and serious people stopped believing in it...or at least presenting it as a sport. The 1930s destoryed it as a true mainstream thing. It had its audience and the audience kept belief in it. There was a suspension of disbelief among some people who followed it. But there were also the hard-core true believers.
John Smith I think there's still a suspension of disbelief going on. During the only episode of Raw I've watched in years and years, I saw Roman Reigns make derogatory comments about Samoa Joe's heritage. Wait a minute, does this mean that the WWE believes that the public doesn't know that Roman Reigns is himself Samoan?
John Smith in the early years it looked more like graple shoots. the 70s we're when it started looking more fake. I don't know how anyone thought it was real with no black eyes and teeth getting bloody .
Naw Lou Thesz got to train US military personal hand to hand combat in the 40's I don't think it became widely known it was a totally staged thing until TV allowed people to see it every week and altered the audience perspective from in crowd to threw a camera lens and of course the rise of the gimmick. I think in the pre-TV era most people thought all the big matches had guys taking dives betting against themselves etc....more a perception of corruption than one of its a totally staged competition you know "make sure you lose by 2 falls" You have to remember prior to TV most people only saw wrestling a handful of times a year unless they lived in NY,NY Chicago or some other major city.
@@MisterBeauJanGels i dont know what you saw because they mention his heritage all the time and he has the tribal tattoo he probably called him a disgrace to samoans
I first heard about Pfeffer and The Goldust Trio and old those old timey promoters and wrestlers from the documentary "The Unreal Story of Professional Wrestling". It was on, I believe A&E in the late 90's, and it was narrated by Steve Allen.
Because there were nutheads who wanted their style and vision of pro wrestling. Those, I believe, are the ancestors of the guys todays who jerks at AEW midgets and artistes hahahaha
If he were around today, We would have had Benny Beta, Sith Trollings, Byzantine BoReigns, Y-Pac, The Stone, The Grimreaper, Korya, Human Kind/Tumbleweed Jack/Love Bro/Rick Fonney, & The Middle-Aged Bucks.
Also, and not to insult wrestling fans, but how many of that demographic are regular New York Times readers? When they finally get the story it’s hearsay.
So that's what happened to wrestling in Chicago! When I was a small boy my mother , who was not a fan, tried to get us to stop watching wrestling on tv by telling us about the expose in the Tribune. She blamed Buddy Rodgers, later I concluded that couldn't be correct. Wrestling finally came back big time in the mid 70s I think it more or less bled over from Rockford. When Gagne and Bruiser shared Chicago they put on some great shows.
I remember hearing about this in a documentary. The promoters and wrestlers just denied it. I think they also had fun with it. Watch the movie Mighty Joe Young 1949. Joe had a tug of war with a bunch of famous wrestlers. They had fun with it.
I'd be curious to know when wrestling became a work? I originally thought it was during WWII due to lots of people out wither fighting in the war, or saving money. So I thought wrestling turning into a work was more entertaining, and would help jumpstart wrestling again. However I've heard that it was during the late 20's when wrestling became a work... But I'd like to know when?
I think people want to believe the good matches are real,or at least the good workers made it look real,so the people would say,"Most of it is fake but That guy s match was Real,or these two guys really hate each other!
basketball, boxing, pro wrestling... they will evolve. If not him, then frankly someone else will do it. It's really the truth of life. The guy who invented the atomic bomb, he's so sad at what happened at Japan that he said that he's the Death, the Destroyer of Worlds, but the fact is, with many research at that time with regards to quantum physics, if it's not him, then another guy will simply create it. That's just how the world works.
nah, he just doesn't like traveling... even though notre dame is within a reasonable driving distance from him... I assure you he can care less about pro sports, and even less about college sports
Nice Anti Semitic reference , could you imagine if this was said about pick the race , Cornette would be screaming like a girl. Except white too they are open game also.
@@ZakkandtheJ No the co hosts parents or grandparents are Jewish. There is no Jewish race it's a religion. Brian is an atheist so he's what ever race his parents are. Oye Vie .
Adolf Hitler was a pretty big heel draw in the late 30's/early 40's. He was a heat magnet and could cut a promo, but his work rate wasn't the best because he was all pilled up and insisted on being head booker in Germany, which wound up sending the whole promotion down the tubes.
Ran his promotion into the ground by promoting shows both East and west of his territory and stretched his talent too thin
Adolf was over, but nowhere near as over as Franco. And Franco was a draw for far longer, especially with the latino market.
Wasn't expecting to see this on a six year old video XD. Legend.
This unironically sounds like the way Corny would tell that story 😂
On that same note - I'd argue A.H. was THE most convincing promo there ever has been. He convinced hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people to join his stable and do his bidding, he barely did any of the work he's most known for (if any at all) by himself. It's a shame he decided to use his talents to do that absolute outlaw bullshit.
Dolph risked it all to unite the territories, ended up failing leading to McMahon being the first to do it successfully.
Corny is a true wrestling historian.
And I think what he doesn't know, Dutch does.
Listing to him and Brian talk about these topics are like getting a college class on pro wrestling
Listing to him and Brian talk about these topics are like getting a college class on pro wrestling
The fact there has been exposés as early as the 30s, but wrestling still remained popular long afterwards, only exposes the myth that people believed it was all real up until the 80s. Maybe people really just like suspending their disbelief.
What happened in the 1930s was that many sports reporters and serious people stopped believing in it...or at least presenting it as a sport. The 1930s destoryed it as a true mainstream thing. It had its audience and the audience kept belief in it.
There was a suspension of disbelief among some people who followed it. But there were also the hard-core true believers.
John Smith I think there's still a suspension of disbelief going on. During the only episode of Raw I've watched in years and years, I saw Roman Reigns make derogatory comments about Samoa Joe's heritage. Wait a minute, does this mean that the WWE believes that the public doesn't know that Roman Reigns is himself Samoan?
John Smith in the early years it looked more like graple shoots. the 70s we're when it started looking more fake. I don't know how anyone thought it was real with no black eyes and teeth getting bloody .
Naw Lou Thesz got to train US military personal hand to hand combat in the 40's
I don't think it became widely known it was a totally staged thing until TV allowed people to see it every week and altered the audience perspective from in crowd to threw a camera lens and of course the rise of the gimmick. I think in the pre-TV era most people thought all the big matches had guys taking dives betting against themselves etc....more a perception of corruption than one of its a totally staged competition you know "make sure you lose by 2 falls"
You have to remember prior to TV most people only saw wrestling a handful of times a year unless they lived in NY,NY Chicago or some other major city.
@@MisterBeauJanGels i dont know what you saw because they mention his heritage all the time and he has the tribal tattoo he probably called him a disgrace to samoans
Imagine a book on Barnett.
I first heard about Pfeffer and The Goldust Trio and old those old timey promoters and wrestlers from the documentary "The Unreal Story of Professional Wrestling". It was on, I believe A&E in the late 90's, and it was narrated by Steve Allen.
Narrated by Steve Allen
Hahahahah Woody Allen. I literally spit out my sip of beer
That was an excellent documentary.
Jack was the 20th century vince russo
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!
Russo was also in the 20th century and at his 'best' I guess in the 20th century under mcmahon's watch
I live in SouthBend Indiana lol
Fascinating history. I don't know how he survived...
Damn shame he did
Because there were nutheads who wanted their style and vision of pro wrestling. Those, I believe, are the ancestors of the guys todays who jerks at AEW midgets and artistes hahahaha
He had far more on these other promoters than just exposing the business.
If he were around today, We would have had Benny Beta, Sith Trollings, Byzantine BoReigns, Y-Pac, The Stone, The Grimreaper, Korya, Human Kind/Tumbleweed Jack/Love Bro/Rick Fonney, & The Middle-Aged Bucks.
Sevyyn for Syxx
The Middle-Aged Bucks are now Balding Buck and Road Warrior Buck hahaha great call.
P.S. I get everyone except Korya... who's that? lol
@@jamirimaj6880 I'm assuming he means Chyna's doppelganger, Korya (Korea).
The only one I can't figure out is Benny beta 🤔
@@ricstormwolf Vinnie Vegas aka Kevin Nash
Was jack pfefre the guy who ran a outlaw show
He would pick his nose until it bled and he brushed his hair with toilet water.
Ngl, if someone assassinated him, I'd have no sympathy. Anyone who extorts others is a lowlife
Jack Pfefer looked like Aleksandar Kolarov
Not as good at free kicks though.
Also, and not to insult wrestling fans, but how many of that demographic are regular New York Times readers? When they finally get the story it’s hearsay.
I had to look up ephemera
Jack Ruined Chicago wrestling from 63 to 65 with imitation wrestlers...
Exposed the business exposed his guts
South Bend Indiana? We just got a Portillo's
Thats in mishawaka not south bend
Wow he got a lot of threats
Interloping and extortion seems to be their M.O.
"The crow faced russian jew"
Jim could also be describing Meyer Lansky.
Hammerhead547 G
You would never have said that within a hundred miles of meyer lansky
Meyer is my Great uncle, where do you live?
@@GeraldGreenfield-gn9dc
I was making a joke you idiot.
Oh Shit,Don't mess with this guy !😎
So that's what happened to wrestling in Chicago! When I was a small boy my mother , who was not a fan, tried to get us to stop watching wrestling on tv by telling us about the expose in the Tribune. She blamed Buddy Rodgers, later I concluded that couldn't be correct. Wrestling finally came back big time in the mid 70s I think it more or less bled over from Rockford. When Gagne and Bruiser shared Chicago they put on some great shows.
Paul Lindstrom jack almost killed Chicago. Bruiser saved the territory!
I remember hearing about this in a documentary. The promoters and wrestlers just denied it. I think they also had fun with it. Watch the movie Mighty Joe Young 1949. Joe had a tug of war with a bunch of famous wrestlers. They had fun with it.
I’m really surprised he didn’t get whacked tbh. How did he survive for 30 more years?
I could listen to Cornette talk about anything all day long. Not even a rasslin fan...just like the drama. And Jim.
I'd be curious to know when wrestling became a work? I originally thought it was during WWII due to lots of people out wither fighting in the war, or saving money. So I thought wrestling turning into a work was more entertaining, and would help jumpstart wrestling again. However I've heard that it was during the late 20's when wrestling became a work... But I'd like to know when?
Andrew Clement the mid 1920's at the very least
+Man Of Steel yeah the 20s sounds about right
I researched this and got 1919 at the latest.
April 15th, 1925.... From that time on Wrestling was never a legitimate sport again
The late 19th century. It was a carnival/circus act done by legit wrestlers who wanted to put on a show for entertainment rather than competition.
2nd after Charlotte Flair-Bot
I think people want to believe the good matches are real,or at least the good workers made it look real,so the people would say,"Most of it is fake but That guy s match was Real,or these two guys really hate each other!
Paige here
basketball, boxing, pro wrestling... they will evolve. If not him, then frankly someone else will do it. It's really the truth of life. The guy who invented the atomic bomb, he's so sad at what happened at Japan that he said that he's the Death, the Destroyer of Worlds, but the fact is, with many research at that time with regards to quantum physics, if it's not him, then another guy will simply create it. That's just how the world works.
leave it to a jew to do something like that
🤓🎾
That obnoxious, epic-length intro. How anyone thought that was a good idea, I’ll never know
Leave to a Jew to expose the business, typical behavior.
Not a Fighting Irish Fan, Huh, Corny?
nah, he just doesn't like traveling... even though notre dame is within a reasonable driving distance from him... I assure you he can care less about pro sports, and even less about college sports
@@daleva187goligoGotcha
Nice Anti Semitic reference , could you imagine if this was said about pick the race , Cornette would be screaming like a girl. Except white too they are open game also.
Jeffrey Walker he has a big nose... that’s why he said crow face
The cohost is Jewish...
@@ZakkandtheJ No the co hosts parents or grandparents are Jewish. There is no Jewish race it's a religion. Brian is an atheist so he's what ever race his parents are. Oye Vie .
@@jeffreywalker8221 exactly, look at people like Bernie Sanders...they are as white as it gets.