Just got a job where I was tasked to patch leaks at 4 multi unit homes that have roofs just like this one. Thanks for the great walkthrough and ideas, appreciate it man👍🏻
Sometimes I fold the front lip over itself for sliding up into the unknown.. but I was trained exactly like you. Patience is everything.. I did a lot of fishing electrical wires and you really have to stay calm.. easier said than done sometimes.
I like your style brother...I actually did a similar leak repair this past Friday, same exact mistake was originally made. Ironically I also put a aluminum extension off the bottom of this crazy little dead valley that shoulda been done in epdm or flintlastic etc. The main issue was lack of a bleeder flashing at the bottom of the wall vs. the top though but reflashed both to be safe 👍🏽
Haha hell yeah brother! Looks like you made it safe to Medellín, Colombia. Time to start letting the camera roll! I hope you started filming your adventure on the flight over?
You do a great job with these videos .they benefit homeowners and other contractors .it's a good to go to place to just put different things in mind .and give good insight
I am no roofer, but I think that you did a fantastic job considering the slope on that roof and the fact that you are making a very helpful video to DIY’rs like myself- screw the Aholes who only post negative comments. What are they doing to help out their fellow man?! I myself am really impressed at how relaxed and calm you are while working on the edge of death, when I am on only a 6/12 roof I am nervous about pushing and tugging on things while working out of fear of causing myself to slip and slide off of the roof. I am getting ready to replace 3 rafters, O.S.B on about a 12 X 8 area with the chimney involved, as well as many shingles all over our roof and replace wood on the the very edge of the roof in multiple other places, as well as repair and replace the seals on 6 different vent pipes on our two story house here in Texas and I am absolutely not looking forward to it at all. The only good thing about it is that because I will be cutting such a large hole in our roof to replace the rafters and rotting O.S.B is that I will be able to carry all of the materials up through the roof rather than up the ladder otherwise I would not be able to do this job by myself, I am 55 and there is no damn way that I could carry all of the materials up a ladder all the way to the second story to get onto the roof- especially multiple sheets of O.S.B. I am hoping that the only time that I have to use the ladder is when I am coming back down after I get finished with this job. Thanks for all of your helpful videos, they will help me a lot. 👍👍
I always like to have a piece of shingle that goes from one side of the valley to the other on a 45 sticking out well pat that point where it’s leaking, kinda the same as if the metal extended out but I always do closed valleys
Great video! Just had a roof put on and was pretty pleased with job overall, but if I was being picky I wish they would have ( and I would have told them to) put the J channel kick-outs onto where the roof runs into my gutters on my small porch (the only place where I have roof meeting wall....about 10x 8 feet on both sides). On one side they fabricated one so that was good, but other side they just siliconed at the end of the step flashing where it runs into the gutter. I think they did that way because there was a small cut in metal siding and probably afraid water could get in that small space. I have/saved my old J-channels. You can't really see from ground, I thought about reattaching or having my gutter guy put new ones on. But until then or even if I don't the step flashing should be fine. Luckily I can walk in my attic and will be able to spot any leaks ( I have an older house so I have at least a chance of spotting one) Definitely appreciate this warmer weather we are having, and most definitely appreciate the videos! I am a painting contractor so I have experience with remodeling. Never did a full roof tho, only repairs. I plan on re-roofing one of my sheds this Spring. Your videos and similar ones have given me confidence. Thanks a lot from one Taurus to another........( My birthday is also May 20th) :)
Can you please do more videos on valley returns, there’s not too many videos out there. Specifically where the fascia of a gable roof meets with the roof plane... I only found one video on it but it didn’t seem to be the most water right solution
Lol. Watching this makes me feel 100% better knowing that I'm not alone. "I'll just jump up real quick and slide some flashing in there. It'll take me longer to get the ladder out than to take care of it." **20 minutes later... 😭
Nice job. I'm sure there is a little voice in your head saying "rip it all out" that just keeps getting louder and louder as the metal keeps refusing to slip in.
Always cut your corners before. This would've helped get your step in alot easier and prevent any possible damage by pushing a sharp corner edge against any underlayment and/or shingles
That’s great for additional coverage. However the valley should have had the valley metal extending 6 inches past the inside of the corner per code Also the all flashings should be 26 gage galvanized
I would pull apart a white rivet reverse the shank through it instead of riveting it pound the shank in so it looks like it's riveted but the shank is the nail looks good and pins it in
wish i had saw this before my father and i used a bunch of tar to fix this same issue on my roof, oh well whole roof gets redone in the spring and ill know what to look for in terms a quality.
If you noticed I had a piece of the thicker aluminum as well. We Typically use the thicker gauge aluminum on all new roof installs. That Mill finish is just some I had in the truck tool box.
@@GrandRoofingInc is there a reason to a thicker gauge? We use a thicker gauge when making fascia and casing outside windows but never thought about a thicker gauge step flash then what we buy premade at Lowe’s
You can get by with the thinner Mill finish. There's not much cost difference to go to slightly thicker painted. The thinner Mill is a little more fragile, you saw in the video just by scoring it with a knife it can tear easily. In a case where someone is sliding it up behind a wall, you could risk slicing it with a nail that is not visible to you. More like in the video installing in the fascia and then when Roofing the next section above the edge metal could gouge into it.
I guess it really depends on your local market. Prices can very dramatically based on even being 1 hour away. I ended up doing this while I was there I think I only charged $150. I know some companies that won't even show up to do one shingle repair for less than 500. Where do you live?
@@GrandRoofingInc Very reasonable. I recently needed to have a kitchen roof vent cap repositioned due to bottom edge being installed UNDER shingles. My original roofer obviously failed roofing 101. New roofer removed cap and 6 surrounding shingles, replaced existing cap, and I supplied shingles. Sent 2 guys. One watched the other one work. Roof is 6/12 pitch. Was there 1hour. Cost = $250.
@@GrandRoofingInc You guessed it! Still doing roofs. He had a large crew that did my roof about 15 years ago. After getting water inside last year, I noticed the cause was the front edge of the vent flange being UNDER the shingles. No place for water to go but onto the sheathing and eventually to interior ceiling. My fault 15 years ago because one needs to check EVERYTHING these days.
Can easily get thicker flashing, just sometimes for things like this the thinner stuff is easier to work with for repairs and does the job just as well. On a reroof or new construction would use much higher Gauge metal
It would be so much easier if the original installer had used "W" crimp valleys as they would kick the water out at least 4 inches away from wall. Also your fix is no good if that area fills with ice and snow.
Anyone that would build a roof like this should loose their building or roofing license . First , they should have a open valley , not a closed valley . The closed valley allows water to flow underneath the shingles ( in this example ) and they will leak in a short period of time if nails are in the wrong position . And you noticed the fascia ( white painted wood board ) was loose by not being nailed properly or was loose by being water soaked . And I am assuming that they put a ice / water underlayment on the roof valley . See True American Roofing on You Tube or an example of the correct way to do a open valley .
It's going to serve its purpose until the roof gets replace in so many years, probably just what he had on hand (even so, I usually use thicker metal myself)
Thanks that was exactly the case. If you noticed I had thicker rigid painted aluminum I had as well that I used as a guide. Any new roof install gets the thick aluminum. I'm not a fan of galvanized steel at all, that crap will rust over time.
I didn't forget the flat bar it was just down in the truck. I wasn't going to struggle at all, it was a tamko shingle, you could simply lift the shingles up because they don't seal down.
@@GrandRoofingInc Understood my Friend. I should have stated. I forgot the FB and you guys don't know how frustrating it is to go back down in the Truck when i can improvise, complete the Job, move on to the next one. Having done Repairs across the Southeast, i know EXACTLY why you told us... 🙏🙏🙏
The metal would have fit like he first cut it if he pulled nail. I would have went for flat bar.(not have forgot)cause that way you could have done the work you intend to. Point out mistakes I do that's how others learn
Actually to fix it correctly the flashing should be up under the valley metal... it’s funny watching “roofers” do hacks like this. Keeps us good guys that actually know our trade in business. Maybe you should focus on learning a craft and not shooting UA-cam videos.
You're right the flashing should go up under whatever your valley material is. The valley material should also extend over it. If we installed the roof we would have reflashed everything new and yes it would have gone under the valley metal or valley roll. It's funny when we get comments from people like you that don't know what the homeowner discussed. This homeowner did not have much money to work with. The valley metal they had was pinned down extremely tight. They did not want the valley taking apart because they could not afford it. Whoever originally roofed it is the one that botched it. You are right there are a lot of bad refers out there, they keep guys like us in business. But hey thank you for the engagement!
@@GrandRoofingInc what you did in this video is a joke of a repair. I hope you didn’t bother to charge for that. Geocell doesn’t stick to shingles. But hey what do I know I’m just a dumb ass roofer.
@@roblewis7354 In a case like this, without knowing what the people will pay for its hard to say. But in most cases what he did will be water tight and last until a new roof is installed. Yes, on a new install or a partial reroof you would use different materials/method of doing this valley return. Sometimes you have to play to your audience on repairs, as long as it fixes the problem and you warranty it.
Just got a job where I was tasked to patch leaks at 4 multi unit homes that have roofs just like this one. Thanks for the great walkthrough and ideas, appreciate it man👍🏻
You make this all seem like it's easy. I am glad you are knowledgeable!
Brother your videos are not just helpful but they show your so knowledgeable and experienced! You making roofing look like an art 😅🔥🔨
Every time I come up with a solution, you do exactly what I was thinking. Good job
Sometimes I fold the front lip over itself for sliding up into the unknown.. but I was trained exactly like you. Patience is everything.. I did a lot of fishing electrical wires and you really have to stay calm.. easier said than done sometimes.
I like your style brother...I actually did a similar leak repair this past Friday, same exact mistake was originally made. Ironically I also put a aluminum extension off the bottom of this crazy little dead valley that shoulda been done in epdm or flintlastic etc. The main issue was lack of a bleeder flashing at the bottom of the wall vs. the top though but reflashed both to be safe 👍🏽
10,000 before your birthday!!
Great content, we appreciate the work you put into these videos.
Haha hell yeah brother! Looks like you made it safe to Medellín, Colombia. Time to start letting the camera roll! I hope you started filming your adventure on the flight over?
@@GrandRoofingInc no sir.
It was a shit show... but something soon
It always amazes me how many little things you need to do repairs. And by you I mean me as well
You do a great job with these videos .they benefit homeowners and other contractors .it's a good to go to place to just put different things in mind .and give good insight
I love 4500. Some of the best caulk just has that faded black look when it dry and cure
Great job. Appreciate your videos. I learn something every time.
I am no roofer, but I think that you did a fantastic job considering the slope on that roof and the fact that you are making a very helpful video to DIY’rs like myself- screw the Aholes who only post negative comments. What are they doing to help out their fellow man?! I myself am really impressed at how relaxed and calm you are while working on the edge of death, when I am on only a 6/12 roof I am nervous about pushing and tugging on things while working out of fear of causing myself to slip and slide off of the roof. I am getting ready to replace 3 rafters, O.S.B on about a 12 X 8 area with the chimney involved, as well as many shingles all over our roof and replace wood on the the very edge of the roof in multiple other places, as well as repair and replace the seals on 6 different vent pipes on our two story house here in Texas and I am absolutely not looking forward to it at all. The only good thing about it is that because I will be cutting such a large hole in our roof to replace the rafters and rotting O.S.B is that I will be able to carry all of the materials up through the roof rather than up the ladder otherwise I would not be able to do this job by myself, I am 55 and there is no damn way that I could carry all of the materials up a ladder all the way to the second story to get onto the roof- especially multiple sheets of O.S.B. I am hoping that the only time that I have to use the ladder is when I am coming back down after I get finished with this job. Thanks for all of your helpful videos, they will help me a lot. 👍👍
Thanks very informative for a DIY hack (me) needing to complete a temporary fix in a very similar situation as the one you were working on.
You always GOT A PLAN. And a good one too!!!
I have that issue. Thanks brother , excellent video and explanation! 👍😀🍺
Awesome Job
I enjoy watching as you go through the process. It helps to understand that things are not always perfect.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks!
I always like to have a piece of shingle that goes from one side of the valley to the other on a 45 sticking out well pat that point where it’s leaking, kinda the same as if the metal extended out but I always do closed valleys
Great video! Just had a roof put on and was pretty pleased with job overall, but if I was being picky I wish they would have ( and I would have told them to) put the J channel kick-outs onto where the roof runs into my gutters on my small porch (the only place where I have roof meeting wall....about 10x 8 feet on both sides).
On one side they fabricated one so that was good, but other side they just siliconed at the end of the step flashing where it runs into the gutter. I think they did that way because there was a small cut in metal siding and probably afraid water could get in that small space.
I have/saved my old J-channels. You can't really see from ground, I thought about reattaching or having my gutter guy put new ones on. But until then or even if I don't the step flashing should be fine.
Luckily I can walk in my attic and will be able to spot any leaks ( I have an older house so I have at least a chance of spotting one)
Definitely appreciate this warmer weather we are having, and most definitely appreciate the videos!
I am a painting contractor so I have experience with remodeling. Never did a full roof tho, only repairs. I plan on re-roofing one of my sheds this Spring. Your videos and similar ones have given me confidence.
Thanks a lot from one Taurus to another........( My birthday is also May 20th) :)
How did you know that was my birthday?
@@GrandRoofingInc Ha....you mentioned in video towards the end 9:25 . I always watch your videos to the end and all ads out of appreciation.
@@chriskeith5742 oh I don't remember saying my birthday. I really appreciate the support! Thank you!
Would the Chem-Link M1 caulk work just a good as the Geo 4500? My local roofing supply house has M1
Can you please do more videos on valley returns, there’s not too many videos out there. Specifically where the fascia of a gable roof meets with the roof plane... I only found one video on it but it didn’t seem to be the most water right solution
ua-cam.com/video/JdTJ03CmxN0/v-deo.html
This is the other video I found
Lol. Watching this makes me feel 100% better knowing that I'm not alone. "I'll just jump up real quick and slide some flashing in there. It'll take me longer to get the ladder out than to take care of it."
**20 minutes later... 😭
Excelente
Pregunta que calibre es la lámina qué utilizas
Gtacias
Nice job. I'm sure there is a little voice in your head saying "rip it all out" that just keeps getting louder and louder as the metal keeps refusing to slip in.
Always cut your corners before. This would've helped get your step in alot easier and prevent any possible damage by pushing a sharp corner edge against any underlayment and/or shingles
Round em
@@johnnyhurst9518 👌
THAT WAS PAINFUL TO WATCH
Yes it was🫣
Why?
Another quality repair, great video.
That’s great for additional coverage. However the valley should have had the valley metal extending 6 inches past the inside of the corner per code
Also the all flashings should be 26 gage galvanized
How do you stand on that slanted roof without falling off?
Great work
a new toolis like a short drain cam so you can show under there shingle and also see whats under there your self
Love the old couch cushion trick , I haven’t seen that in a long time , I use it tho
I couldn't even make it off that ladder and up on the roof much less do a repair like this.
I would pull apart a white rivet reverse the shank through it instead of riveting it pound the shank in so it looks like it's riveted but the shank is the nail looks good and pins it in
Hi
Where I can buy these metal covers? what its called.
Thanks
hey! where's that geocel link on amazon?! no biggie...lol Thanks for the awesome help!
Level is what I use , or through the roof
A good carpenter when building that should leave a space to flash that
Quite a common error we encounter when re roofing, i usually have to cut the facia back especially with a half inch resheet
Learned so much thanks man
Everytime I hear you say Geocel I hear gsl. I was thinking I have never heard of that brand what is that.
How much do your charge for this? We're do you live?
Just give a little bigger price and do it right way with removing shingle from valley to get better access and install them back !
Its a repair....why not have step exposed...put it directly at the bottom course under valley?
Hah hah - 3 year old video - still watching and educational. Your self imposed goal of 5k subscribers/views have been exceeded.
You are the best
wish i had saw this before my father and i used a bunch of tar to fix this same issue on my roof, oh well whole roof gets redone in the spring and ill know what to look for in terms a quality.
Personally I use a heavyweight aluminum flashing has to be cut with a shears not a box cutter
What is your reasoning in that? No hate, just wondering why you prefer a heavier gauge.
If you noticed I had a piece of the thicker aluminum as well. We Typically use the thicker gauge aluminum on all new roof installs. That Mill finish is just some I had in the truck tool box.
@@GrandRoofingInc is there a reason to a thicker gauge? We use a thicker gauge when making fascia and casing outside windows but never thought about a thicker gauge step flash then what we buy premade at Lowe’s
You can get by with the thinner Mill finish. There's not much cost difference to go to slightly thicker painted. The thinner Mill is a little more fragile, you saw in the video just by scoring it with a knife it can tear easily. In a case where someone is sliding it up behind a wall, you could risk slicing it with a nail that is not visible to you. More like in the video installing in the fascia and then when Roofing the next section above the edge metal could gouge into it.
How much would a repair like that cost
I guess it really depends on your local market. Prices can very dramatically based on even being 1 hour away. I ended up doing this while I was there I think I only charged $150. I know some companies that won't even show up to do one shingle repair for less than 500. Where do you live?
@@GrandRoofingInc Very reasonable. I recently needed to have a kitchen roof vent cap repositioned due to bottom edge being installed UNDER shingles. My original roofer obviously failed roofing 101. New roofer removed cap and 6 surrounding shingles, replaced existing cap, and I supplied shingles. Sent 2 guys. One watched the other one work. Roof is 6/12 pitch. Was there 1hour. Cost = $250.
Hahaha where is the roofer that failed Roofing 101 at now?
@@GrandRoofingInc You guessed it! Still doing roofs. He had a large crew that did my roof about 15 years ago. After getting water inside last year, I noticed the cause was the front edge of the vent flange being UNDER the shingles. No place for water to go but onto the sheathing and eventually to interior ceiling. My fault 15 years ago because one needs to check EVERYTHING these days.
No link.
Lol was that paper tin shingles
For someone that knew they would be making an instructional video, you were certainly ill-prepared.
Love Geocel products!!!!!
Why does the materials the use over there look so flimsy like that thin metal he used you wouldn't use that here in Ireland
Can easily get thicker flashing, just sometimes for things like this the thinner stuff is easier to work with for repairs and does the job just as well. On a reroof or new construction would use much higher Gauge metal
Do americans use ceramic tiles at all?
Yes, I'm not sure exactly if they're clay ceramic or what but it's more down in the southern regions.
personally I would have just pulled a few shingles out at the bottom of the valley and the transition but hey that's just me
was probably a fascia nail
Good video if you’re not seasick.
Link for the GSL? Awesome video!
Geo is all I use they sell at my material yards
It would be so much easier if the original installer had used "W" crimp valleys as they would kick the water out at least 4 inches away from wall. Also your fix is no good if that area fills with ice and snow.
Another $gino for the fix nice one
Anyone that would build a roof like this should loose their building or roofing license . First , they should have a open valley , not a closed valley . The closed valley allows water to flow underneath the shingles ( in this example ) and they will leak in a short period of time if nails are in the wrong position . And you noticed the fascia ( white painted wood board ) was loose by not being nailed properly or was loose by being water soaked . And I am assuming that they put a ice / water underlayment on the roof valley . See True American Roofing on You Tube or an example of the correct way to do a open valley .
There's nails not even a quarter inch from the roof all the way down the wall where they installed the vinyl. Terrible.
Shingles should be able to be deep in there but not all carpenter do
I don't disagree
La neta estás bien wey
The most paper thin flashing ever.
Next time when you make a video please bring your tools😂😂😂😂😂
I would of got my flat bar and tin snips i was in a cringe mode the whole time he was doing this i did this work for 40 years.
Lol I bet it still leaks
All that and then you use aluminium foil flashing
It's going to serve its purpose until the roof gets replace in so many years, probably just what he had on hand (even so, I usually use thicker metal myself)
Thanks that was exactly the case. If you noticed I had thicker rigid painted aluminum I had as well that I used as a guide. Any new roof install gets the thick aluminum. I'm not a fan of galvanized steel at all, that crap will rust over time.
That's not flashing?!?!?!
Our foil we wrap food in is thicker than that 😂🤣
Cheap ass metal.🤦😭
I forgot my Flat Bar.
What you should have said...i am going struggle because i wasn't prepared to do the Repair.
I didn't forget the flat bar it was just down in the truck. I wasn't going to struggle at all, it was a tamko shingle, you could simply lift the shingles up because they don't seal down.
@@GrandRoofingInc Understood my Friend. I should have stated. I forgot the FB and you guys don't know how frustrating it is to go back down in the Truck when i can improvise, complete the Job, move on to the next one. Having done Repairs across the Southeast, i know EXACTLY why you told us...
🙏🙏🙏
The metal would have fit like he first cut it if he pulled nail. I would have went for flat bar.(not have forgot)cause that way you could have done the work you intend to. Point out mistakes I do that's how others learn
You been doing this long it obvious
What a hack job
If lazy installers would use metal open valleys there wouldn't have been a problem.
Actually to fix it correctly the flashing should be up under the valley metal... it’s funny watching “roofers” do hacks like this. Keeps us good guys that actually know our trade in business. Maybe you should focus on learning a craft and not shooting UA-cam videos.
You're right the flashing should go up under whatever your valley material is. The valley material should also extend over it. If we installed the roof we would have reflashed everything new and yes it would have gone under the valley metal or valley roll. It's funny when we get comments from people like you that don't know what the homeowner discussed. This homeowner did not have much money to work with. The valley metal they had was pinned down extremely tight. They did not want the valley taking apart because they could not afford it. Whoever originally roofed it is the one that botched it. You are right there are a lot of bad refers out there, they keep guys like us in business. But hey thank you for the engagement!
@@GrandRoofingInc what you did in this video is a joke of a repair. I hope you didn’t bother to charge for that. Geocell doesn’t stick to shingles. But hey what do I know I’m just a dumb ass roofer.
@@roblewis7354 In a case like this, without knowing what the people will pay for its hard to say. But in most cases what he did will be water tight and last until a new roof is installed. Yes, on a new install or a partial reroof you would use different materials/method of doing this valley return. Sometimes you have to play to your audience on repairs, as long as it fixes the problem and you warranty it.
What a hack repair 4500 sucks since the pandemic/shortage and 100% does not hold up like it used to
SUCH A SLOPPY JOB, YOU WOULD NOT WORK FOR ME.
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