Any ideas why after installing 2 resistors to my ninja 650 for LED upgrades. They work fine with just the ignition on. With the engine on they don’t work at all? No hyper flash, just no flash at all!
There isnot enough data here for us to analyze that problem. Would you consider ditching the resistors and solving the problem with a replacement relay?
OK way too long a video to get to the point. Have everything lined up and explain what order things go, and then explain how to connect. Also, the camera needs to be in closer. Nobody cares about the whole table. They want to see what's going on close-up, most people are watching on the phone.
dont understand why you wouldnt simply make up the risistors on pigtails and add all 4 at the relay, so its all nice and neat? :S ive done this to a dozen or more bikes, your way is very untidy.
@@willrichardson7569 because our main goal is to have everyone switch to our LED Relay. That is the true all-in-one, plug-and-play solution. However, we still have customers who prefer resistors so this video is for them.
1. Polyamide 6, which is the material that the zip ties are made of, has a high melting temperature so it is less likely to get damaged than plastics that bodywork is made of ( ABS, polypropylene) 2. I used zip ties to hold the ceramic body of the resistor to a steel tube. That steel is heat sinking and will wick away heat before it accumulates to any level close enough to PA6 melting temperature.
hey got a question, why my blinker instantly died, so far ive tried 20w 22ohm and 5w 10ohm, and it still dosent want to turn on but the rest that is not tuching the light is fine
hi I installed all 4 LED turn signals on my Yamaha yzf600r but all 4 turn signals light up when I chose left turn signal all 4 light up and the same when i chose right turn all 4 light up .. any idea how to fix ?? Thankyou
most likely the way the signaling system is configured to work with the dash indicator lamp. there are many bikes that were designed in the 80s and 90s that present this symptom. You will likely have to do a diode modification on the dashbindicator light connection. we make some plug and play ones for several bukes but not for the yzf600r
Maybe someone could answer me this question. I have led intergrated tail light, both front led bulbs and led blinkers in front (all leds). I have installed the led relay because of the hyperflashing, but it does not solve the problem completely. When i start motorcycle and dont turn on front headlights it works perfectly( no hyperflashing front or back) but once i turn it on it starts hyperflashing again. What should i do ?
Hi, I'm trying to install an integrated led tail light on my honda shadow but i can't seem to find a ground/earth wire anywhere to attach the resistor to
Hello. I have a Suzuki GSXR1000 2023, it comes with led turn signals and no relay under seat. I changed front led to flushed ones from Aliexpress, tried a 10w resistor on both signals but they keep blinking fast. Hazard blinks normal. Any idea? Should I try a 20w or 25w resistor? Thanks.
The Suzuki parts fiche still indicates the bike having a flasher relay even in 2023 and 2024. Below is a link to our relay installation video on a 2017 model. It is possible that Suzuki hung the relay in a slightly different location in subsequent years. They still list the same part number so it will look like the one in our video. ua-cam.com/video/Sk9s0kDYVB0/v-deo.htmlsi=mofFtRi46CcLT5Hr If you still need help with resistors after this i will need additional info like current draw of your original lamps and your replacements. -BR
Easier to find your turn signal flasher and replace it with HD signal flasher from tridon that can be found at your local parts store. HD12 for two wire set up. Works perfect and it’s cheap. Way less work.
What is the point of installing LED’s if you’re just going to add resistance? This means your consuming the same amount of power as an incandescent globe.
Well, you can also opt for our LED Flasher Relay which is a better solution than wiring in resistors. We just filmed this as an option for those who want resistors.
I fitted resistors (not TST) (6 omh 25w) to the front LED indicators on my 2014 Ducati Hypermotard but it didnt work, and apparently there is no relay to swap over? any help be greatly appreciated!
First check if your OE electronics have the capability of changing the flash controller current threshold to LED type lamps. Soonce about 2010 or 2011, Ducati has an optional factory LED signal upgrade that required a little mode change in the bike's electronics to make it all work. On some models it was done through clicking settings in the dash, on some models it was done by the dealer in the ECU. It may be possible to circumvent the use of resistors altogether, but I can't guarantee your model is capable of that. If that is not an option see the next step. I can only assume that you connected your resistors correctly (in parallel), and that the connectors used are actually conducting. It would be worthwhile to check the connections and also watch my video patiently, verifying the resistors you installed are actually done as per the instructions. If you validate both points, then you are probably over the current threshold on each lamp. On some bikes, the OE electronics sense the current drawn by each lamp, and will produce a problematic symptom if the current is too high and too low. So you have to be within an upper and lower threshold for the lamps to actually operate normal. When using 6 ohm resistors, you are adding an approximate 2A draw fromm each lamp. That is a LOT of current. Typical incandescent light source signal lamps draw about 0.8A, so you see there is a pretty big difference. This can be causing your problem. You could use an ammeter to measure the amount of current your OE signals draw and then use Ohm's law to back calculate the amount of resistance your bike will need in each aftermarket signal lamp/resistor circuit, and then just use the calculated resistance value. Assuming that we are looking to draw 0.8A from each lamp circuit, the resistance value that would achieve that is 15-16 ohms. That value may be problematic to find, so I would suggest getting a 10 and 20 ohm to try.
@@freefree2021 We have a solution too, get our flasher relay supported by our dozens of install videos and call it a day. But we understand people may not want that so we filmed this video for that purpose. -ML
@@freefree2021 because some people don’t want to purchase the simpler way and opt for the free resistors. We can’t force purchases on customers, we only give options for solutions. -TST
The info you provided is not enough to go on to provide any help that is not based in speculation. If you let me know the resistance values of those resistors, and wheteher you connected the resistors in series or parallel with the lamp circuits, then I will have more that I can use to make some recommendations. It would also be helpful to know the bike, model of signal lamps used, battery voltage at bike off, at idle, at 3k rpm. -BR
Yes, which is why we offer a plug-and-play relay that is a true solution. However, we still have customers who prefer resistors and that is what led us to filming this video.
In my opinion replacing a relay is superior to using reaistors. Several reasons for that were detailed in this video. We actually do not have real resources for answering you with 100% confidence because we don't have cross market specs available. From memory, i want to say it's a 4 pin. But theee is an easy wany for you to check. Pull put your relay and compare it to the two relays on our product page. Pick the one with the matching connector. -BR
I have a very uniformed question that I hope you can help with. I have an 2021 XSR900. I have replaced my turn signals all the way around with LED's. I have had an issue with blowing the signaling fuse. Its 7.5 amps. The OG bulb signals were 10w. I have installed an updated flasher relay to get rid of the hyperflash issue. My question is do I need the resistors? I know LED's draw less power but can't too low amps blow fuses? Do I need to account for that somehow (EG with resistors)?
Having too low a current draw will not blow a fuse. It is too much current passing the fusing element in the fuse that blows it and opens the circuit. A short circuit is what sounds more plausibe as your problem. To troubleshoot I would offer the method of disconnecting all four signals that you installed, replacing the fuse, and then connecting them back in one at a time until you blow that fuse again. The trouble will be in that signal lamp connection. You can also troubleshoot with a multimeter without the need to blow additional fuses but i don't know if you own one or know how to use one. On Yamahas the front signals have three condustors. Typically i see inexperienced installers have trouble there. Are you using our signals with our harness adapters? If so we have easy to follow video installation instructions for all our equipment. -BR
@@TSTindustries Thanks for the response and troubleshooting suggestion. You confirmed what I eventually concluded with a bunch of Googling. I managed to get everything working. I think ultimately the issue was a short. Once I took all of my cable management apart and redid it all things worked. I appreciate your time Thanks again.
Would these be able to stop all the flashers going at once ? I installed a led headlight and now all my turn signals go at the same time. Thanks for the video !
@@ThaGnoll sounds like you need a diode mod for your bike. Typically all flashers go at the same time after changing to LEDs for a very specific wiring system. We have seen these systems on bikes like ZX7R, Ninja 250R, tw200, XR150, DR650, and others. If you tell us your bike model we can tell you if we have ypur bike specific diode mod.
Resistors are passive components and flow current identically in both directions, therefore there is no polarity. I am more interested in your comment on fitment orientation. Please give me some detail on what you meant.
Resistors...yes. But we also probably have a relay that would work. For this bike it is a bit more involved than a plug and play configuration though. It requires unpinning two of the terminals from the relay socket and placing it inside the relay connector provided with our Gen2-I relay. The link is here if you want to consider it tstindustries.com/gen-2-i-led-flasher-relay-honda-2003-2006-cbr600rr.html
That bike uses a 6-slot / 5-pin relay. We currently do not make a plug and play replacement for that relay because of how rarely it is used on bikes. There is a simple method of taking two of the female spade connectors from the harness side housing and connecting them to our Gen2F relay to make it work, but that is not really a plug and play method of installation. -BR
Bart: your video is a superb presentation that teaches and answers just about every possible question on the subject. Awesome!
Thank you very much. I try and provide as much information as I can in a concise fashion, always hoping it can be useful to you guys out there.
Bart
Any ideas why after installing 2 resistors to my ninja 650 for LED upgrades. They work fine with just the ignition on.
With the engine on they don’t work at all? No hyper flash, just no flash at all!
There isnot enough data here for us to analyze that problem. Would you consider ditching the resistors and solving the problem with a replacement relay?
OK way too long a video to get to the point. Have everything lined up and explain what order things go, and then explain how to connect. Also, the camera needs to be in closer. Nobody cares about the whole table. They want to see what's going on close-up, most people are watching on the phone.
dont understand why you wouldnt simply make up the risistors on pigtails and add all 4 at the relay, so its all nice and neat? :S ive done this to a dozen or more bikes, your way is very untidy.
@@willrichardson7569 because our main goal is to have everyone switch to our LED Relay. That is the true all-in-one, plug-and-play solution. However, we still have customers who prefer resistors so this video is for them.
All that effort to find a location for the resistors so they would not touch plastic or rubber and then you used plastic zip ties on them?
1. Polyamide 6, which is the material that the zip ties are made of, has a high melting temperature so it is less likely to get damaged than plastics that bodywork is made of ( ABS, polypropylene)
2. I used zip ties to hold the ceramic body of the resistor to a steel tube. That steel is heat sinking and will wick away heat before it accumulates to any level close enough to PA6 melting temperature.
Thank you
@@Ray-ur8ei you're welcome.
hey got a question, why my blinker instantly died, so far ive tried 20w 22ohm and 5w 10ohm, and it still dosent want to turn on but the rest that is not tuching the light is fine
Hey, I was wondering if the resistors would work on a 2020 KTM Duke 890r?
Helpful video. Would my aftermarket LED light shining amber when the brake is applied need a load equalizer?
Ther eis not enough data in the way your question is formulated for us to generate a meaningful response.
Cheers! Thank you for taking the time to reply and in such detail. I only wish I was a bit more technically savvy!! I
I would like to install an all in one Integrated tail light and direction light on my Ducati ST4. Do you have anything I can adapt to that model?
hi I installed all 4 LED turn signals on my Yamaha yzf600r but all 4 turn signals light up when I chose left turn signal all 4 light up and the same when i chose right turn all 4 light up .. any idea how to fix ?? Thankyou
most likely the way the signaling system is configured to work with the dash indicator lamp. there are many bikes that were designed in the 80s and 90s that present this symptom. You will likely have to do a diode modification on the dashbindicator light connection. we make some plug and play ones for several bukes but not for the yzf600r
Maybe someone could answer me this question. I have led intergrated tail light, both front led bulbs and led blinkers in front (all leds). I have installed the led relay because of the hyperflashing, but it does not solve the problem completely. When i start motorcycle and dont turn on front headlights it works perfectly( no hyperflashing front or back) but once i turn it on it starts hyperflashing again. What should i do ?
Hi, I'm trying to install an integrated led tail light on my honda shadow but i can't seem to find a ground/earth wire anywhere to attach the resistor to
Hello.
I have a Suzuki GSXR1000 2023, it comes with led turn signals and no relay under seat.
I changed front led to flushed ones from Aliexpress, tried a 10w resistor on both signals but they keep blinking fast.
Hazard blinks normal.
Any idea? Should I try a 20w or 25w resistor?
Thanks.
The Suzuki parts fiche still indicates the bike having a flasher relay even in 2023 and 2024. Below is a link to our relay installation video on a 2017 model. It is possible that Suzuki hung the relay in a slightly different location in subsequent years. They still list the same part number so it will look like the one in our video. ua-cam.com/video/Sk9s0kDYVB0/v-deo.htmlsi=mofFtRi46CcLT5Hr
If you still need help with resistors after this i will need additional info like current draw of your original lamps and your replacements.
-BR
Easier to find your turn signal flasher and replace it with HD signal flasher from tridon that can be found at your local parts store. HD12 for two wire set up. Works perfect and it’s cheap. Way less work.
We also offer multiple LED Flasher Relays but we know some customers and viewers still choose resistors instead. This video is a service for them.
What is the point of installing LED’s if you’re just going to add resistance? This means your consuming the same amount of power as an incandescent globe.
Well, you can also opt for our LED Flasher Relay which is a better solution than wiring in resistors. We just filmed this as an option for those who want resistors.
I fitted resistors (not TST) (6 omh 25w) to the front LED indicators on my 2014 Ducati Hypermotard but it didnt work, and apparently there is no relay to swap over? any help be greatly appreciated!
First check if your OE electronics have the capability of changing the flash controller current threshold to LED type lamps. Soonce about 2010 or 2011, Ducati has an optional factory LED signal upgrade that required a little mode change in the bike's electronics to make it all work. On some models it was done through clicking settings in the dash, on some models it was done by the dealer in the ECU. It may be possible to circumvent the use of resistors altogether, but I can't guarantee your model is capable of that. If that is not an option see the next step.
I can only assume that you connected your resistors correctly (in parallel), and that the connectors used are actually conducting. It would be worthwhile to check the connections and also watch my video patiently, verifying the resistors you installed are actually done as per the instructions. If you validate both points, then you are probably over the current threshold on each lamp. On some bikes, the OE electronics sense the current drawn by each lamp, and will produce a problematic symptom if the current is too high and too low. So you have to be within an upper and lower threshold for the lamps to actually operate normal. When using 6 ohm resistors, you are adding an approximate 2A draw fromm each lamp. That is a LOT of current. Typical incandescent light source signal lamps draw about 0.8A, so you see there is a pretty big difference. This can be causing your problem. You could use an ammeter to measure the amount of current your OE signals draw and then use Ohm's law to back calculate the amount of resistance your bike will need in each aftermarket signal lamp/resistor circuit, and then just use the calculated resistance value. Assuming that we are looking to draw 0.8A from each lamp circuit, the resistance value that would achieve that is 15-16 ohms. That value may be problematic to find, so I would suggest getting a 10 and 20 ohm to try.
Awesome, thanks. Also dope artist for the background music. Dreem is 🔥
By far the best video explaining step by step thank you
You're welcom. Glad to help.
-BR
@@freefree2021 We have a solution too, get our flasher relay supported by our dozens of install videos and call it a day. But we understand people may not want that so we filmed this video for that purpose. -ML
@TSTindustries I'm confused, so why would you make a video on the old aggravating way when you have an easier better way?
@@freefree2021 because some people don’t want to purchase the simpler way and opt for the free resistors. We can’t force purchases on customers, we only give options for solutions. -TST
Hi added 4x LED with 2x 25w resistors. Can you think why it would work fine with ignition on or idle but when riding I get nothing?
The info you provided is not enough to go on to provide any help that is not based in speculation. If you let me know the resistance values of those resistors, and wheteher you connected the resistors in series or parallel with the lamp circuits, then I will have more that I can use to make some recommendations. It would also be helpful to know the bike, model of signal lamps used, battery voltage at bike off, at idle, at 3k rpm.
-BR
Did you know ceramic resistor heat up and could burn wiring?
Yes, which is why we offer a plug-and-play relay that is a true solution. However, we still have customers who prefer resistors and that is what led us to filming this video.
I have a 2008 cbr600rr in Australia, I want to install LED indicators, do I need a 4 or 2 pin relay or the resistors?
In my opinion replacing a relay is superior to using reaistors. Several reasons for that were detailed in this video. We actually do not have real resources for answering you with 100% confidence because we don't have cross market specs available. From memory, i want to say it's a 4 pin. But theee is an easy wany for you to check. Pull put your relay and compare it to the two relays on our product page. Pick the one with the matching connector.
-BR
Are you sure this work on a kawasaki ninja 650 from 2023? My electrician says it won't work because the relay will not be read by the computer board
We always recommend the relay over wiring in resistors. We just filmed our gen2 relay on a zx4rr today with perfect results.
I have a very uniformed question that I hope you can help with. I have an 2021 XSR900. I have replaced my turn signals all the way around with LED's. I have had an issue with blowing the signaling fuse. Its 7.5 amps. The OG bulb signals were 10w. I have installed an updated flasher relay to get rid of the hyperflash issue. My question is do I need the resistors? I know LED's draw less power but can't too low amps blow fuses? Do I need to account for that somehow (EG with resistors)?
Having too low a current draw will not blow a fuse. It is too much current passing the fusing element in the fuse that blows it and opens the circuit. A short circuit is what sounds more plausibe as your problem. To troubleshoot I would offer the method of disconnecting all four signals that you installed, replacing the fuse, and then connecting them back in one at a time until you blow that fuse again. The trouble will be in that signal lamp connection. You can also troubleshoot with a multimeter without the need to blow additional fuses but i don't know if you own one or know how to use one. On Yamahas the front signals have three condustors. Typically i see inexperienced installers have trouble there. Are you using our signals with our harness adapters? If so we have easy to follow video installation instructions for all our equipment.
-BR
@@TSTindustries Thanks for the response and troubleshooting suggestion. You confirmed what I eventually concluded with a bunch of Googling. I managed to get everything working. I think ultimately the issue was a short. Once I took all of my cable management apart and redid it all things worked. I appreciate your time Thanks again.
This is a proper high quality video, solved my problems perfectly
Another new knowledge learnt today, thanks
Oh that is great to hear. I love it when we have a positive impact on another rider out there. Cheers!
Would these be able to stop all the flashers going at once ? I installed a led headlight and now all my turn signals go at the same time. Thanks for the video !
@@ThaGnoll sounds like you need a diode mod for your bike. Typically all flashers go at the same time after changing to LEDs for a very specific wiring system. We have seen these systems on bikes like ZX7R, Ninja 250R, tw200, XR150, DR650, and others. If you tell us your bike model we can tell you if we have ypur bike specific diode mod.
@@TSTindustries It’s a 2007 V Star 650 Classic.
Great video! Might be useful to expand on resistor polarity and fittment orientation where it is relevant on an install?
Resistors are passive components and flow current identically in both directions, therefore there is no polarity. I am more interested in your comment on fitment orientation. Please give me some detail on what you meant.
won't the zip ties melt?
most aren't ABS plastic and have a higher heat rating
Plz mention the value of resistance in ohum and watt
5ohm, 20 watt
Would this work on a benelli tnt 135?
Resistors...yes. But we also probably have a relay that would work. For this bike it is a bit more involved than a plug and play configuration though. It requires unpinning two of the terminals from the relay socket and placing it inside the relay connector provided with our Gen2-I relay. The link is here if you want to consider it tstindustries.com/gen-2-i-led-flasher-relay-honda-2003-2006-cbr600rr.html
Do all blinkers need to be swapped to led if using the new relay?
Nope. You can mix them.
@@TSTindustries thank you so much
you guys ship to norway?
We do
Awesome!
Thank you! Cheers!
What's the spec for that resisor you are using？
6.8 ohm, 10W
What plug and play you would suggest for Yamaha Raider 2010? Greatly appreciated.
That bike uses a 6-slot / 5-pin relay. We currently do not make a plug and play replacement for that relay because of how rarely it is used on bikes. There is a simple method of taking two of the female spade connectors from the harness side housing and connecting them to our Gen2F relay to make it work, but that is not really a plug and play method of installation.
-BR