@@tomaszzalewski4541 primaris suck they should have just said they made a bunch of new space marines in new armor and they were the back-up. no primaris bs!
@@vitaliyred622 and their improved stats on table top and in lore can just be because they were made with geneseed fresh from the source rather than after 10,000 years of degradation, also higher quality equipment invent----cough from an STC found by Cawl.
@@thebighurt2495 I think going to the Iron Cage was intentional to get his sons to accept it as well as giving himself a reason to break down a close nit legion that had a lot of baggage, fighting alongside The Emperor, also being there for the worst of the heresy. Splitting their bond while still riding that wave would have been taken as a severe sleight to their honor, so the Iron Cage worked like the pain glove. They didn't want it, but Dorn felt what could come of fighting over it. He eventually became an hero, considering the accumulation of everything as the last one left. You can tell what he thought of the Codex, even after accepting it, by the existence of "The Last Wall" protocol.
@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537I hope they, the writers, bring their A game when the Iron Cage stuff comes up during The Scouring, they are going to need it to tell the tale without making Dorn a complete imbecile because the bare bones lore we have at the moment about it puts it that way and with the twist of the knife being having to be saved by Guilliman as much from Iron Warriors' guns as from his own folly, we will see then, hope they do a good job without changing the overall facts unlike what they did with the finale of the Heresy.
'I should have added an extra zero'... It's funny because the Canon chapters in the Ultramarines that ended up as successor chapters have 10,000 Marines now. So it's just a bit of lore from rogue trader that's still persisting. I'm sure if they wrote it now they'd make chapters 10,000 strong.
@@BaldPolishBiotechnol Dark angels: "We don't know what happened to the inquisitors either. They keep going missing on the way home. Must be from all the warp storms around here."
I like the wolves but I really wish there was a 21st primarch and his cultural potrayal was a drunk angry highland scotsman, basically telling everyone to piss off.
@@Bluejayount1 If i renember and heard/read correctly they needed to not become the chapters because only people on their planet can actually use their geneseed.
@@Pieguy223 I am pretty sure this is just TTS lore. But considering the Warp and the Universe is infinite, everything everywhere all at once. Canon is nebolous. But regardless, take it with a grain of salt. But it is ‘canon’ after telling Roboute to go fuck himself the Battle of the Iron Cage happened, so…not that far off from what happened tbh.
honestly, the way guilliman is asking others to make a difficult choice is superb. he has positioned himself to be the most affected by his actions just so even the brothers who hate him could not, disagree with him. He has the largest legion, hence he is most affected by the codex or else there might be implications
This is exactly what Julius Ceasar did to stop debt forgiveness, he took out so much debt that he became the most indebted person so that his enemies would vote no because he would benefit.
@@chrisgregory3955 Yeah but Russ saying no to breaking his legion is like a hobo saying no to investing in real estate. He didn't really have the luxury to do so in the first place.
Each of the primachs coped with the trauma of Horus Heresy differently. Dorn showed where Sigismund gets his bad habits, and Guilliman mastered the passive aggressive statesmanship.
@@BIGBOSS-bu1jt we know for a fact that the lost legions are spread between the Fists and the Ultramarines with the Dark Angels being third in place. We can definitely trace at least Black Templars and Death Eagles to be Lost Legion Successors. (Edit: Death Eagles may be loyalist EC)
Oh but you must remember, it isn't tyranny because if they say "no", then he would absolutely listen to them. They just... *wont* say no. Because of the implications.
I love how jaghatai has one of those sports based personalized boards behind him that you see when an interview happens in someone's corner before and after game lol.
"Hey roboute! how many uh, how many ultramarines ya got there? 1000 1000? Yes. Roboute... the ultramarines stretch past the horizen you clearly have over 1000 **pulls out boltgun** 1000.
What the implication is at first glance: accept or i will force you to What the implication is to Guilliman: if i were to turn traitor, i could realistically beat all the other legions combined. This is a move to nerf me in the short term and all of us in the long term
And if any loyalist primarch were to say no, what would he do? Open God knows how many second fronts while still having to deal with hostile Xenos, Chaos, and other heretics?
I think you're right about nerfing himself, as he's aware he could accidentally found a competing empire that siphons support from the Imperium and he still has that contingency. However, he's got another angle on it. He's also nerfing his successor. Somewhere down the line of Ultramarine Chapter Masters is Cray Cray the Ultracidal and there's a level of checks and balances in there if there are other comparable sized forces.
Russ didn't have that much of a problem, it was just that Space wolves geneseed didn't allow non fenrisians to have it so it'd just fail miserably every time they tried to make a successor
@@HF7-AD Russ was also to exhausted to fight Gulliman over it. He compromised by spliting it into Great Companies that sound Codex compliant, but its not really. G-Man knew better than to keep pushing it
@@TheReal_Antrey G-man wants "The Last Wall" and it's variations in the back pocket. If someone throws that switch, it's either going to be obviously needed or... Well if someone did so without obvious cause there would be...implications.
I think he'd seriously consider giving the job to the Lion so he could turn his personal attention on the mechanisms of the Imperial state. Hell, he put Dante in charge of Nihilus.
So this comic suggest that Guiliman was going to force the Codex on the other legions by force since he had more marines than any others. Actually. It does sound like the conflict between Dorn Vulkan and Leman with Guiliman that luckly went away after Perturabo’s Iron Cage. And once Again. Perturabo saves the Galaxy. Not intentionally. But purely out of spite. And he dont even know this.
No it suggests that Guilliman would not have to use force because the other legions would have been so afraid to say no based on the idea that he might use force because he was more powerful. Its an interesting obsevation that no one else has made that Guilliman became defacto ruler of the Imperium at the end of the heresy because no one had an army left to maintain order and not because he was a beurocratic/organizational genius.
Many forget that Guilliman is chadder than he looks. If no other primarch returns and if GW doesnt sniff too much warpdust i can imagine him STRONG ARM the Imperium into a new age...even if he has to drag it kicking and screaming.
Goodluck having the Adeptus Ministorum, Adeptus Mechanicus, High Lords of Terra, Adepta Sororitas and the Inqusitors playing ball with the blue boyscout. The Imperium will thrashed, bites, stabs you at the back, punches and *BLAMS* you with the additional kicking and screaming
@@sharojak9401 XD for some reason I read that "last seen chasing some Eldar women into the Webway". I have zero idea why my brain inserted a word there, but the thought of the guy chasing tail in the Webway for like 10,000 years is just silly funny to me.
Why bother? Even if they don't match any known Primarch, that wouldn't *prove* that the survivors are from no longer existent legions that had their medical records excised. They could be loyalists that defected from a traitor legion who had their gene sequences superficially altered to distinguish themselves from their fallen brothers.
So basically: they're not enforcing anything by force, but they could, and everybody knows they could, therefore they'll willingly accept without it being enforced upon them by force.
Guilliman: Rogal, read the damn Codex. Dorn: ...No. **Iron Cage Approaches** Dorn: **after reading the Codex** ....Wow. This is what the kids these days would call.... "Mid."
Dorn: Stupid sexy Guilliman thinking he can tell me what to do, mf didn't even show up to the siege on time *IRON CAGE* Dorn limps back with approximately 4.5 Imperial Fists remaining(one is in a wheelchair) Dorn: This Codex is some real gourmet shit!
Warhammer 50k be like Guilliman : brothers you finally Back Sanguinus : i missed all of you Vulkan : lets hug each other Lion :.. Just a small question why everywhere is ultramarines? Where is the custodes and why you sitting on the golden throne while we on a small wood chair?! Guilliman : father didn't accept it and faced the implication
*Suddenly Guilliman gets the Emperor's Thunder Claw shoved through him as a pissed off Emperor of Mankind returns and gives Guilliman the Horus Heresy ending treatment.* No more Codex!
This is the perfect kind of character development for Guilliman. Going from a calm yet tough bureaucrat to a shrewd yet fair and cunning dictat- I MEAN LEADER.
It might seem Guilleman was being fair in reducing his legion to chapters too, but keep in mind space marine chapters tend to look after their own more if they came from the same legion, the imperial fist chapters did it during the war of the beast. So in a way the ultramarines would still outnumber everyone.
And there is a second founding ultramarines descendant chapter whose whole purpose is doubling ultramarines forces if they ever need them. kinda like how Dorne's forces have a protocol to reform the legion but more subtle and covert. Because you can never trust the guy who wrote the book to follow his own rules in spirit.
*Custodian guarding the door looking awkward in the foreground* ‘Don’t look at me like that, you certainly wouldn’t be in any danger’ “SO THE LEGIONS *ARE* IN DANGER?!”
the implication is that if they say no, then guilliman will be easily able to overwhelm all of them. if you want to nerf guilimans enormous legion then you'll need to agree to the codex. because if you don't then there's the implication.....
Guilliman: Okay okay... Lets just put it to vote, all hands for doing what they want *Every non UM hands up* Guilliman: Good good, now for eveyrone who wants mine *Every UM* Guilliman: Welp vote is on my favor
Sanguinius would have been Lord Commander or Imperial Regent or whatever if he’d lived. The ultimate setup would probably have looked a lot like Imperium Secundus.
@@DeusExMachina10001 100% Guilliman would have thrown his full support behind Sanguinius, Dorn and Jaghatai too after what a HyperChad he was during the Siege of Terra, and I even see Leman Russ having no problem with this. Sanguinius was beloved by all, which is ironic, considering the phrase during the Great Crusade to refer to the Emperor was "The Emperor, beloved by all."
@@DeusExMachina10001 The ideal setup, to me, is to have Sangy (or, I suppose Vulkan) in charge of the Imperium as Regent. Make Lion "Supreme Commander" and give him the military branches, make Dorn "Praetorian of Terra" again and give him command of Terra itself, give Gorillaman command of the Administratum, Arbites and non-combat branches. If Corvus or Leman ever come back, stick them with a permanent Crusade task of some kind. Like, have Lion point at Hive Fleet Kraken and tell Leman "Get 'im" or something.
@@thebighurt2495 I wanted to say "Corvus seems like he would be great as master of the Inquisition" but then my brain immediately went "... but you know what would be funnier,"
Black Templar: Hmmm. The Codex Astartes. Guess I should at least read it. *thousands of years later * Black Templar: Huh. Ran out of toilet paper again. Serf! Bring another copy of the Codex Astartes! Wait....better make it two. That was an extra spicy burrito I had for lunch. Gonna be in there a while.
So if I understand the implication of this Guilliman is saying they will agree to his demand so Guilliman won't have as big a club to hold over their head. Because otherwise he will have both the means and motivation to just steam roll over everyone who disagrees.
Just so I'm clear, the implications is that Reeboot Gilliganman would basically unleash his forces on any other astartes forces that did not comply with the codex, right?
Just in case you don't know, for context: ua-cam.com/video/-yUafzOXHPE/v-deo.html Also, the joke, just like in the original scene, is that while maybe he *wouldn't* command his legions to wipe out the others if they refused... He *could.* And they know that he could. And they can't be 100% sure that he wouldn't.
Guessing, Implication 1: Force everyone with superior numbers 2: Anyone who disagrees is disloyal 3: He's being fair, because his chapter stands to lose the most after being split up 4: It's so that he, or some successor, CANT as easily do #1 Because, of these implications...😅
"You see, I used to live in a democracy too but then everyone loves me so much they made me president for life. So technically we are still living in a democracy. Don't believe it? Check my approval rating, it's 99.9% every year." Gulliman.
"That sounds a little tyrannical." Jagitai (honored be they name) my dude... Have you not been paying attention? Like you Vulcan, Birb boy and Adornable are good dudes... More or less... And your dad seemed like a good egg before the retcons but like when was the Imperium ever NOT?
@@alexk6836 oh right it's a joke from If The Emperor Had a Text To Speech Device. It's a nickname for Rogal Dorn aDORNable. It's a silly little show that got me into the wargame hobby and truth be told I prefer it to what ever cannon GW puts out so my two little killteams are more inspired by that show. It's sadly kinda dead after GW dropped the hammer (heh) on fan works so I kinda dropped official Warhammer stuff because of that but hey one page rules, space weridos, and even lazerburn are really good games or finding old old stuff from the Rouge Trader days and playing them are a blast.
The D.E.N.N.I.S. system still works! The other trick is to make sure you make your proposition on a boat, then they definitely won't say no!.... because of the implication. 🙂
Sigismund: "And that is how our chapter achieved to have near endless reserves of toilet papers for all the glorious Crusades we started, young neophytes."
Meanwhile the Alpharius knowing damn well that despite the numbers of the Ultramarines if those idiots divided it would be 2000 times easier to infiltrate them all especially since as far as traitor Legion goes aside from "maybe" the Word Bearer or the Iron Warrior, the Alpha is the strongest traitor legion left and the last with assets in the Imperium so they wouldnt be able to tell em its not honorable or smt because of the implication
After reading comments and watching the scene that inspired this skit, for anyone that also didn't immediately understand what the "implication" means, here's a synopsis of the video: -Wannabe Cesar is talking to Discount Genghis Khan about enforcing a new structure on all other Primarchs armies following major civil war in their society." (What's a Primarch? Think of a Demi-god super general in the setting that commands legions of super soldiers) Cesar Salad wants to drastically reduce the standing armies sizes to ensure nothing as catastrophic as this civil war could happen again, as every Primarch would more or less be even in power to each other, meaning even if one or two of them were to turn traitor they could be relatively dealt with without widespread destruction. So, the "implication" in question is the veiled threat that if they didn't agree to follow these drastic changes, Goldilocks would use his overwhelming power to either force them to abide through military power or outright destroy them for their refusal. The reason the roman pin cushion could achieve these wide sweeping changes is because after the civil war, even if all other Primarchs united their forces, he would still outnumber them. (So why doesn't he just say that outright?) Because Papa Ultrasmurf has an "image" to uphold as a, for the most part, upstanding person of moral character and integrity that would *never* use tyrannical means to achieve his goals, and if his fellow Primarchs said "no" to his request, then the Blueberry would back down and let the Primarchs continue to have large standing armies. But he believes they wouldn't say no *because* of the "Implication" of what might happen if they did, so he doesn't "need" to say it outright.
>made Imperium Secundus >was ready to start a second civil war because half of primarchs said his book sucks >Ordered a tech priest to defile the Emperor's work in secret >Forced all chapters to accept them at custodes' gunpoint Guilliman was very lucky Russ ran away chasing DidNothingWronger and Lion went to sleep
Oh incredibly so. He's cruising for a 2-11 if those boys show back up at the wrong time. If he's *lucky*, Corax will show back up next, or The Khan, and gentle his ass down a little bit.
Like Russ or the Lion could do something about that. Ultramarines was the largest Legion by the end of the heresy and had Ultramar to their disposal. Also, the Lion depleted most of his DAOT weapons and almost half of his men defected.
This is fantastic, I love this!
It's him, it's the 40k comic guy!
Omg this is so Gman.
Of course you love it. You wouldn't not love it because of the implication...
Space Genghis Khan telling Space Julius Caesar he's a tyrant is amusing to me... because of the implication...
You had me on the first half. The second part kinda threw me
He's Augustus.
@@Kaletiel July Caesar, August Caesar... it's all salad in the end.
The Khan is not Genghis Khan, he is far more merciful and honorable than Genghis.
@@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 More of a Kublai Khan?
This is made infinitely funnier by the *implication* that Guliman already has millions of primaris marines squirrelled away across the galaxy.
Just waiting when they 100% turn to chaos.
@@tomaszzalewski4541 primaris suck they should have just said they made a bunch of new space marines in new armor and they were the back-up. no primaris bs!
@@tomaszzalewski4541 he can’t keep getting away with this!
@@tomaszzalewski4541 Given they were made with Traitor Gene Seed, that's inevitable.
@@vitaliyred622 and their improved stats on table top and in lore can just be because they were made with geneseed fresh from the source rather than after 10,000 years of degradation, also higher quality equipment invent----cough from an STC found by Cawl.
Rogal Dorn: no
**After the Iron Cage**
Rogal Dorn: 3/5 its an ok book.
I don't think Dorn ever actually *liked* it, per se. Just that it was necessary to prevent another Heresy. He wasn't *happy* about it, though.
@@thebighurt2495 I think going to the Iron Cage was intentional to get his sons to accept it as well as giving himself a reason to break down a close nit legion that had a lot of baggage, fighting alongside The Emperor, also being there for the worst of the heresy. Splitting their bond while still riding that wave would have been taken as a severe sleight to their honor, so the Iron Cage worked like the pain glove. They didn't want it, but Dorn felt what could come of fighting over it. He eventually became an hero, considering the accumulation of everything as the last one left. You can tell what he thought of the Codex, even after accepting it, by the existence of "The Last Wall" protocol.
@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537I hope they, the writers, bring their A game when the Iron Cage stuff comes up during The Scouring, they are going to need it to tell the tale without making Dorn a complete imbecile because the bare bones lore we have at the moment about it puts it that way and with the twist of the knife being having to be saved by Guilliman as much from Iron Warriors' guns as from his own folly, we will see then, hope they do a good job without changing the overall facts unlike what they did with the finale of the Heresy.
@@thebighurt2495To think that people don't know a TTS reference anymore when it leaps them in the face. Oh how I weep for the new generations.
@@MajinOthinus A crying shame, it really is. Recently did a rewatch and man is it so good, especially the vox casts
I like this portrayal of Guilliman. Menacing, calm, but still menacing
UNCANNY too
0:08 0:50
If anyone curious, the melody is called "Cry Of The Unheard" by REPULSIVE
Well is his father's son after all.
Because of the implication.
Guilliman is written like a star fleet captain who is stuck in 40k and has had enough of everyone's bullshit
@@spaceman466 I mean, he does have relations with alien women.
Guliman 10000years later seeing how codex complaint some of his sons are
“I have come to regret my decision”
'I should have added an extra zero'...
It's funny because the Canon chapters in the Ultramarines that ended up as successor chapters have 10,000 Marines now. So it's just a bit of lore from rogue trader that's still persisting. I'm sure if they wrote it now they'd make chapters 10,000 strong.
Meanwhile: The Black Templars are still crusading like chads.
@@mikkelnpetersen Totally not Legion sized, as all the MIA Inquisitors who were counting them could confirm...
@@BaldPolishBiotechnol Dark angels: "We don't know what happened to the inquisitors either. They keep going missing on the way home. Must be from all the warp storms around here."
@@minhducnguyen9276 I heard an Inquisitor mention the Fallen... _They must never leave, Brother._
The wolves were too drunk to understand the implication
Leman Russ but given it was a stupid decision, he elected to ignore it
I like the wolves but I really wish there was a 21st primarch and his cultural potrayal was a drunk angry highland scotsman, basically telling everyone to piss off.
Same with the Templar’s and there crusade loophole and having so many chapter masters follow a High Marshal
@@Channel-23s The Templars at least used loopholes. The Wolves straight up ignored it
@@Bluejayount1 If i renember and heard/read correctly they needed to not become the chapters because only people on their planet can actually use their geneseed.
Khan: you know you are really acting like father at this moment.
Guilliman: maybye, but I know that I'm right.
Like father like son
Khan: Okay, you're *definitely* acting like father now.
Correction: "Maybe, but the difference is I know I am right."
spoken like a true autocrat
Narrator: He was not, in fact, right.
Reminder: Guilliman ordered his strike curisers to fire multiple copies of the codex a started at Dorn’s flagship
Guiliman: Read the fucking Book Rogal
Dorn: NO
Cease this foolishness brother, I cannot read. - Dorn probably
@@Dragonoix11 Dorn: "I was something beyond furious."
What book is this from?
@@Pieguy223 I am pretty sure this is just TTS lore.
But considering the Warp and the Universe is infinite, everything everywhere all at once.
Canon is nebolous. But regardless, take it with a grain of salt.
But it is ‘canon’ after telling Roboute to go fuck himself the Battle of the Iron Cage happened, so…not that far off from what happened tbh.
honestly, the way guilliman is asking others to make a difficult choice is superb. he has positioned himself to be the most affected by his actions just so even the brothers who hate him could not, disagree with him. He has the largest legion, hence he is most affected by the codex or else there might be implications
Yet Russ still said no.
@@chrisgregory3955, Russ never thought much of the implications.
This is exactly what Julius Ceasar did to stop debt forgiveness, he took out so much debt that he became the most indebted person so that his enemies would vote no because he would benefit.
@@nikodimus86Russ never thought much
@@chrisgregory3955 Yeah but Russ saying no to breaking his legion is like a hobo saying no to investing in real estate. He didn't really have the luxury to do so in the first place.
Each of the primachs coped with the trauma of Horus Heresy differently. Dorn showed where Sigismund gets his bad habits, and Guilliman mastered the passive aggressive statesmanship.
Look, Guilliman can’t help that he was created to be nostalgia for his father’s favourite persona.
We can't really be sure that Sigismund was an actual Imperial Fist. You know, lost legions and all
@@Yumao420 plus dorn did scream at him to not call him father
really makes you think
@@BIGBOSS-bu1jt we know for a fact that the lost legions are spread between the Fists and the Ultramarines with the Dark Angels being third in place. We can definitely trace at least Black Templars and Death Eagles to be Lost Legion Successors. (Edit: Death Eagles may be loyalist EC)
@@Yumao420The black Templar get their undying loyalty and stubbornness from the imperial fist
That's daddy's little boy! Emps would be so proud of that tyranny.
Oh but you must remember, it isn't tyranny because if they say "no", then he would absolutely listen to them.
They just... *wont* say no.
Because of the implications.
T H E
I M P L I C A T I O N
Shepard would know nothing of the implication. Large amounts of attractive women, aboard his spaceship. With nothing around for light years.
Theoretical: supposed the locks to your homestead were bypassed...
[BAZINGA]
@@engi9715 practical: always have a boltgun within arm's reach in preparation for such an occurrence.
@@GrugGangGrugGang throw him out of the airlock
I love how jaghatai has one of those sports based personalized boards behind him that you see when an interview happens in someone's corner before and after game lol.
I think it's a Formula One thing, 'cause, y'know, speed
@@MegaJani it's also a NASCAR thing too I believe.
Formula 40k
The names of the sponsors are so funny.
fast scars goes brrrt
"Hey roboute! how many uh, how many ultramarines ya got there?
1000
1000?
Yes.
Roboute... the ultramarines stretch past the horizen you clearly have over 1000
**pulls out boltgun** 1000.
What the implication is at first glance: accept or i will force you to
What the implication is to Guilliman: if i were to turn traitor, i could realistically beat all the other legions combined. This is a move to nerf me in the short term and all of us in the long term
And if any loyalist primarch were to say no, what would he do? Open God knows how many second fronts while still having to deal with hostile Xenos, Chaos, and other heretics?
@@Briselance Which is why no loyalist legion would *ever* say no. That too is an... implication.
I think you're right about nerfing himself, as he's aware he could accidentally found a competing empire that siphons support from the Imperium and he still has that contingency. However, he's got another angle on it. He's also nerfing his successor. Somewhere down the line of Ultramarine Chapter Masters is Cray Cray the Ultracidal and there's a level of checks and balances in there if there are other comparable sized forces.
@@argentaegis
Cray Cray the Ultracidal😂 I haven't heard a more trustworthy name in ages!
@@CandleWisp I mean, we had Goge Vandire and Marines Malevolent
The Emperor : I AM not THE GOLDEN GOD!! I AM UNTETHERED AND MY RAGE KNOWS NO BOUNDS!
Don't tell people to not dress as gods, tell the others to stop worshipping them for it
Crazy damn skeleton
"Khan and Corax really liked the book. Vulkan, Russ and I, did not." -Dorn.
Russ didn't have that much of a problem, it was just that Space wolves geneseed didn't allow non fenrisians to have it so it'd just fail miserably every time they tried to make a successor
@@HF7-AD Russ was also to exhausted to fight Gulliman over it.
He compromised by spliting it into Great Companies that sound Codex compliant, but its not really.
G-Man knew better than to keep pushing it
@@TheReal_Antrey G-man wants "The Last Wall" and it's variations in the back pocket. If someone throws that switch, it's either going to be obviously needed or... Well if someone did so without obvious cause there would be...implications.
Aw yes The Implication never fails to work.
The true, spiritual successor, and percursor to The Inquisition.
I'm not a Warmaster. Hell no. I'm the Lord Commander. Totally different.
Isn't it "Lord Protector"? Cause that just sounds *much* better.
@@thebighurt2495 it may sound better, and it would've been more in-line with real life, but it's Lord Commander
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 Damn. Missed opportunity there by James.
I think he'd seriously consider giving the job to the Lion so he could turn his personal attention on the mechanisms of the Imperial state. Hell, he put Dante in charge of Nihilus.
So this comic suggest that Guiliman was going to force the Codex on the other legions by force since he had more marines than any others.
Actually. It does sound like the conflict between Dorn Vulkan and Leman with Guiliman that luckly went away after Perturabo’s Iron Cage.
And once Again. Perturabo saves the Galaxy. Not intentionally. But purely out of spite. And he dont even know this.
kek, I can hear Valraks seething over your comment .)
No it suggests that Guilliman would not have to use force because the other legions would have been so afraid to say no based on the idea that he might use force because he was more powerful. Its an interesting obsevation that no one else has made that Guilliman became defacto ruler of the Imperium at the end of the heresy because no one had an army left to maintain order and not because he was a beurocratic/organizational genius.
he probably knows, and hates thefact.
Iron Within, Iron Without.
Oh, no. You misunderstand. If the others refused then it would be no. But they're not going to say no because of the implication.....
Black templars : "so anyway i started crusading"
Black Templars: What ever you say, Big G.
Proceeds to do their own things.
Many forget that Guilliman is chadder than he looks.
If no other primarch returns and if GW doesnt sniff too much warpdust i can imagine him STRONG ARM the Imperium into a new age...even if he has to drag it kicking and screaming.
B-but... but muh ultramsurfs Matt Ward codex stupid cringe.
@@Haispawner *ultra stare intensifies*
Rogal dorn remains my favourite though. Expecially after Alfabusa's version.
I mean he literally killed and replaced the High Lords of Terra so yeah.
Goodluck having the Adeptus Ministorum, Adeptus Mechanicus, High Lords of Terra, Adepta Sororitas and the Inqusitors playing ball with the blue boyscout.
The Imperium will thrashed, bites, stabs you at the back, punches and *BLAMS* you with the additional kicking and screaming
@@warlordjr.jr. Didn't he just fired some of those guys? I mean some of them (High Lords of Terra) are from the Adeptus Mechanicus and Custodes?
The closest thing we get to hear Jaghatai Khan's voice that would have been used for Bruva Alfabusa's TTS show if it had not been on hiatus.
RIP
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@@allmight9840 They we’re never our friends but their actions turned them into enemies.
@jocco jhan casoyon
He was last seen chasing some Eldar into the Webway. For all we know he has been in the Webway the whole time.
@@sharojak9401 XD for some reason I read that "last seen chasing some Eldar women into the Webway". I have zero idea why my brain inserted a word there, but the thought of the guy chasing tail in the Webway for like 10,000 years is just silly funny to me.
"There are more Ultra Marines than all the other legions combined"
10,000 years later
"How many Black Templars are there?!"
"Yes"
“More like check those blood tests.” -jaghatai probably under his breath after hearing about those numbers
Why bother? Even if they don't match any known Primarch, that wouldn't *prove* that the survivors are from no longer existent legions that had their medical records excised. They could be loyalists that defected from a traitor legion who had their gene sequences superficially altered to distinguish themselves from their fallen brothers.
So basically: they're not enforcing anything by force, but they could, and everybody knows they could, therefore they'll willingly accept without it being enforced upon them by force.
Guilliman enforcing the codex while secretly creating legion sized upgraded marines (the primaris)
Yeah
Coherence
You can be a stronger, faster or more powerful primarch, but Guilliman will always find a way to up you it seems. Always.
It's his "Jack-of-all-trades" shtick. He'll just figure out what you're *bad at* and use that against you.
I think of it more as his "Fool Me Once" power.
I CAST ULTRA LOGISTICS
God I love the reference to its always sunny in Philadelphia.
It's always sunny in Macragge.
Guilliman: Rogal, read the damn Codex.
Dorn: ...No.
**Iron Cage Approaches**
Dorn: **after reading the Codex** ....Wow. This is what the kids these days would call.... "Mid."
Dorn: Stupid sexy Guilliman thinking he can tell me what to do, mf didn't even show up to the siege on time
*IRON CAGE*
Dorn limps back with approximately 4.5 Imperial Fists remaining(one is in a wheelchair)
Dorn: This Codex is some real gourmet shit!
“It was not kek, father. It was cringe.”
Warhammer 50k be like
Guilliman : brothers you finally Back
Sanguinus : i missed all of you
Vulkan : lets hug each other
Lion :.. Just a small question why everywhere is ultramarines? Where is the custodes and why you sitting on the golden throne while we on a small wood chair?!
Guilliman : father didn't accept it and faced the implication
Vulkan: Roboute... you became even worse than Father.
@@Briselance If Vulkan told me that, I'd genuinely stop and rethink my entire life.
*Cut to a Servitored Magnus chained to the Golden Throne*
*Suddenly Guilliman gets the Emperor's Thunder Claw shoved through him as a pissed off Emperor of Mankind returns and gives Guilliman the Horus Heresy ending treatment.* No more Codex!
Imma be honest, if Guilliman has to run the Imperium for 10k years, he deserves a golden chair.
This is the perfect kind of character development for Guilliman. Going from a calm yet tough bureaucrat to a shrewd yet fair and cunning dictat- I MEAN LEADER.
It might seem Guilleman was being fair in reducing his legion to chapters too, but keep in mind space marine chapters tend to look after their own more if they came from the same legion, the imperial fist chapters did it during the war of the beast. So in a way the ultramarines would still outnumber everyone.
Ya same with the Blood Angles when the Tyranids tried to eat their home world
@@requiemnemesis2413 And the Dark Angels all the damn time.
Ultramarine outnumber tyranids seems more legit after this
What's funny about the last wall protocol was that it took PLACE ON TERRA why are the others not joining in
And there is a second founding ultramarines descendant chapter whose whole purpose is doubling ultramarines forces if they ever need them. kinda like how Dorne's forces have a protocol to reform the legion but more subtle and covert.
Because you can never trust the guy who wrote the book to follow his own rules in spirit.
“Are you going to genocide them?”
“I am not going to genocide them you aren’t understanding what I’m saying.”
“I’m not im really not.”
*Custodian guarding the door looking awkward in the foreground*
‘Don’t look at me like that, you certainly wouldn’t be in any danger’
“SO THE LEGIONS *ARE* IN DANGER?!”
*"Now you've said that word a couple of times, what implication?"*
*Guilliman takes out his sword* The implication is that our blue armor will be stained red with the blood of those who reject our help
Herest obviously
the implication is that if they say no, then guilliman will be easily able to overwhelm all of them. if you want to nerf guilimans enormous legion then you'll need to agree to the codex.
because if you don't then there's the implication.....
Basically, if you don't accept the help, Guilliman can force you to, but if you do, Ultramarines get nerfed. It's a sound plan all things considered.
It’s implied
Guilliman: Okay okay... Lets just put it to vote, all hands for doing what they want
*Every non UM hands up*
Guilliman: Good good, now for eveyrone who wants mine
*Every UM*
Guilliman: Welp vote is on my favor
Guilliman: There not going to say no because of the implication.
Russ: Laughs in Space Wolf Great Companies.
Then he takes a 10K nap and is mad that it was used as a rule book rather then suggestions and it’ll probably go up to 2K-5K Space marines a chapter
This is why I don't leave Ultramar! You leave Ultramar, and bad shit happen! I mean, Chaos? Everywhere, Chaos?! What is this place?!
Guilliman turning into his Father.
I wonder if any such implication could even stick on someone like Sanguinius if he lived.
Probably not, nobody messed with sanguinius, he was too good a boy.
Sanguinius would have been Lord Commander or Imperial Regent or whatever if he’d lived. The ultimate setup would probably have looked a lot like Imperium Secundus.
@@DeusExMachina10001 100% Guilliman would have thrown his full support behind Sanguinius, Dorn and Jaghatai too after what a HyperChad he was during the Siege of Terra, and I even see Leman Russ having no problem with this. Sanguinius was beloved by all, which is ironic, considering the phrase during the Great Crusade to refer to the Emperor was "The Emperor, beloved by all."
@@DeusExMachina10001 The ideal setup, to me, is to have Sangy (or, I suppose Vulkan) in charge of the Imperium as Regent. Make Lion "Supreme Commander" and give him the military branches, make Dorn "Praetorian of Terra" again and give him command of Terra itself, give Gorillaman command of the Administratum, Arbites and non-combat branches.
If Corvus or Leman ever come back, stick them with a permanent Crusade task of some kind. Like, have Lion point at Hive Fleet Kraken and tell Leman "Get 'im" or something.
@@thebighurt2495 I wanted to say "Corvus seems like he would be great as master of the Inquisition" but then my brain immediately went "... but you know what would be funnier,"
Guilliman is truly a master at diplomacy. Bigger army deplomacy
implication: I'm going to start another horus level heresy with my legion sized force and theres nothing you can do
The news reel in the background deserves more attention.
Guiliman's implicanion :*erie music.*
Black templars: This note will not stop me! I can't read!
Except they can. They found the Crusade loophole and built their entire chapter around exploiting it.
Black Templar: Hmmm. The Codex Astartes. Guess I should at least read it.
*thousands of years later *
Black Templar: Huh. Ran out of toilet paper again. Serf! Bring another copy of the Codex Astartes! Wait....better make it two. That was an extra spicy burrito I had for lunch. Gonna be in there a while.
This fits even better here than it did in it’s always sunny. This literally happened.
Them: What if I say no?
Robute: My space marines out number you 10 to 1.
Them: Well this codex Astartes thing is looking wonderful.
So if I understand the implication of this Guilliman is saying they will agree to his demand so Guilliman won't have as big a club to hold over their head. Because otherwise he will have both the means and motivation to just steam roll over everyone who disagrees.
yes, but he would never do that
Of course, of course!
I love how it does the Theoretical and Practical thing lol
Ah yes. The implication.
Exactly what happened to [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]
[REDACTED] and [EXPUNGED]*
And Azrael was like:" Yeah, we will follow your book, but actually we don't.".
Absolute price of art. God bless you, always sunny, and warhammer 40k.
It's only tyranical if I have to act upon the implications. But I never will, because the threat of the implications is enough to get my way.
Just so I'm clear, the implications is that Reeboot Gilliganman would basically unleash his forces on any other astartes forces that did not comply with the codex, right?
No no no no! How can I make it more clear?!?! No Legion is in danger, nobody is in danger!
Because of the Implication.
Just in case you don't know, for context: ua-cam.com/video/-yUafzOXHPE/v-deo.html Also, the joke, just like in the original scene, is that while maybe he *wouldn't* command his legions to wipe out the others if they refused... He *could.* And they know that he could. And they can't be 100% sure that he wouldn't.
Of course not, Daddy Logistics would never sick his Ultramar Dogs on other legions.
Because of, you know, the implications.
Guessing,
Implication 1: Force everyone with superior numbers
2: Anyone who disagrees is disloyal
3: He's being fair, because his chapter stands to lose the most after being split up
4: It's so that he, or some successor, CANT as easily do #1
Because, of these implications...😅
I can't wait for him to tell us about the R.O.B.O.U.T.E. System
3 out of 4 Space Marines are Ultramarines in the current setting, so yeah...
Space Wolves over there just enjoying their milk steak.
That seems quite tyrannical.
-I'm sorry, did we change our name to "the Demokratia of Man"?
-...
-Didn't think so.
"You see, I used to live in a democracy too but then everyone loves me so much they made me president for life. So technically we are still living in a democracy. Don't believe it? Check my approval rating, it's 99.9% every year." Gulliman.
Democracy - laughs in public health emergency
You know, because of the implications. 😂
Reboot Gilliganman dips into his Space Rome theme and declares the new Republic Of Man.
He is truly one of the emperors sons with that look at the end
Big E: that's my boy!
"The Implication does not support this action."
I fucking love it’s always sunny in cadia
It’s always sunny on mcragge
"That sounds a little tyrannical."
Jagitai (honored be they name) my dude... Have you not been paying attention? Like you Vulcan, Birb boy and Adornable are good dudes... More or less... And your dad seemed like a good egg before the retcons but like when was the Imperium ever NOT?
adornable?
I don't get it... who is that?
@@alexk6836 oh right it's a joke from If The Emperor Had a Text To Speech Device. It's a nickname for Rogal Dorn aDORNable. It's a silly little show that got me into the wargame hobby and truth be told I prefer it to what ever cannon GW puts out so my two little killteams are more inspired by that show. It's sadly kinda dead after GW dropped the hammer (heh) on fan works so I kinda dropped official Warhammer stuff because of that but hey one page rules, space weridos, and even lazerburn are really good games or finding old old stuff from the Rouge Trader days and playing them are a blast.
THIS WAS A BANGER!!!!!! PLEASE more of this is the future
Jaghatai: OK seriously Brother you're doing it again.
Roboute: Listen. *Rogal Will not agree to this unless we Imply the Consequences will be dire.*
Black tamplars: "The codex astartes from girlyman?"
The D.E.N.N.I.S. system still works!
The other trick is to make sure you make your proposition on a boat, then they definitely won't say no!.... because of the implication. 🙂
The more I read about Guilliman, the more I realize he's not Caesar/Augustus.
He's Lincoln.
Gulliman truly is his father's son
Dorn: proceeds to say no despite the implication
Sigismund: "And that is how our chapter achieved to have near endless reserves of toilet papers for all the glorious Crusades we started, young neophytes."
And people wonder why the templar's recruit as they do. True sons of dorn.
Bro, the Templars most likely sheltered Blackshields and that’s where they got their initial insane numbers.
I would like to see Gulliman's reaction to how codex compliant some of his sons are to the codex after he awoken
If I remember right hes making a V 2.0 just to try and put new ideas in their heads
@@codyarcher3263 Do you think he is underlining stuff like "this is only a guide" lots of times so people get the message
Guilliman: this is what happens when you have a proper recruitment process brothers, logistics win again
I like how yu kept the menacing vibe every time "implication" is said, even without facial expressions.
I love how Guliman have a name tag that says, High Lord.
Dark Angels 🤝 Black Templars using The Codex as toilet paper
Damn, this was some quality content! Nice
I'm honestly stunned how well this fits.
I love how the Blue turns Red every time he says the word "implication"🤣
The best part of reading the guy's comics is always paying attention to what's going on in the background in each panel.
_Guilliman writes a Codex_
*It's Always Sunny theme plays*
Thanks to a technicality, the Black Templars can be loyal and have the numbers!
Then there’s the dark angles who have their successors chapters on speed dial
And then old Robby G promptly ignored a bunch of his own rules the moment he came back.
Can we permanently activate the Last Wall now?
When that’s the best thing about it they won’t refuse… because of the Implication
The crossover we didn't know we wanted but the crossover we needed 😂
Black Templars: Sorry I wasn't listening too busy crusading. Also, I told all my sons they can say no, but only after you ask nicely.
Leman Russ: I don't know what implication he's talking about, but this codex makes great toilet paper!
Of course, it also pieces out the Ultras, so that's another reason to agree when your own legion is a quarter their size.
Wow, you're fast! I literally just read the comic.
Meanwhile the Alpharius knowing damn well that despite the numbers of the Ultramarines if those idiots divided it would be 2000 times easier to infiltrate them all especially since as far as traitor Legion goes aside from "maybe" the Word Bearer or the Iron Warrior, the Alpha is the strongest traitor legion left and the last with assets in the Imperium so they wouldnt be able to tell em its not honorable or smt because of the implication
After reading comments and watching the scene that inspired this skit, for anyone that also didn't immediately understand what the "implication" means, here's a synopsis of the video:
-Wannabe Cesar is talking to Discount Genghis Khan about enforcing a new structure on all other Primarchs armies following major civil war in their society."
(What's a Primarch? Think of a Demi-god super general in the setting that commands legions of super soldiers)
Cesar Salad wants to drastically reduce the standing armies sizes to ensure nothing as catastrophic as this civil war could happen again, as every Primarch would more or less be even in power to each other, meaning even if one or two of them were to turn traitor they could be relatively dealt with without widespread destruction.
So, the "implication" in question is the veiled threat that if they didn't agree to follow these drastic changes, Goldilocks would use his overwhelming power to either force them to abide through military power or outright destroy them for their refusal.
The reason the roman pin cushion could achieve these wide sweeping changes is because after the civil war, even if all other Primarchs united their forces, he would still outnumber them.
(So why doesn't he just say that outright?)
Because Papa Ultrasmurf has an "image" to uphold as a, for the most part, upstanding person of moral character and integrity that would *never* use tyrannical means to achieve his goals, and if his fellow Primarchs said "no" to his request, then the Blueberry would back down and let the Primarchs continue to have large standing armies.
But he believes they wouldn't say no *because* of the "Implication" of what might happen if they did, so he doesn't "need" to say it outright.
>made Imperium Secundus
>was ready to start a second civil war because half of primarchs said his book sucks
>Ordered a tech priest to defile the Emperor's work in secret
>Forced all chapters to accept them at custodes' gunpoint
Guilliman was very lucky Russ ran away chasing DidNothingWronger and Lion went to sleep
Add Papa Sang to that list. Last time Grandpa Smurf tried building his own sand castle, (Secundus) Lion and Sang thoroughly kicked that shit over.
Oh incredibly so. He's cruising for a 2-11 if those boys show back up at the wrong time.
If he's *lucky*, Corax will show back up next, or The Khan, and gentle his ass down a little bit.
@@TheZombieburner uhhh, I don't think Corvus is "gentle" ing anyone anymore.
Like Russ or the Lion could do something about that. Ultramarines was the largest Legion by the end of the heresy and had Ultramar to their disposal. Also, the Lion depleted most of his DAOT weapons and almost half of his men defected.
I'm pretty sure the Emperor ordered Cawl to make the Primaris, Guilliman simply approved them when he was finished.
Meanwhile Leman Russ took one look at the codex and told Guilliman to pound sand.
Meanwhile Sigismund: "I just dropped this magnum crusade for my monstrously large chapter."