Buddy Rich Insults Country Music
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2017
- Buddy Rich on the Mike Douglas Show casually expresses his extreme disdain for what he calls "hillbilly" or "cowboy" music, but his opinions are just as applicable to much of today’s Top 40 as well. It’s actually painful during several moments (Buddy even disses Chet Atkins and Glen Campbell!), as lovable George Lindsey (aka Goober Pyle) is politely sitting right there the entire time. Co-host Barbara Feldon amiably tries to steer the conversation elsewhere, but Buddy tolerates no dissent.
A horn player who had been playing with Buddy Rich for many years came back from vacation to hear a rumor that Buddy had died. He didn't quite believe it, so he phoned Buddy's wife and said "Can I speak to Buddy please?" Buddy's wife said, "I'm sorry, Buddy passed away last week." "Oh, I'm sorry to hear that," he said, and hung up. A couple of hours later, he called her again. "Is Buddy there please?" "No, I'm sorry. Buddy's no longer with us," said Buddy's wife. And hung up the phone. Ten minuted later, he called Buddy's wife again. "Can I speak to Buddy please?" he said. She recognized his voice, and said: "Look, I've told you before, BUDDY'S DEAD!" And slammed down the phone. Two minutes later, and the phone rang again... "Is Buddy at home please?" the horn player asked. Buddy's wife was furious. "Why do you keep ringing me to ask for Buddy???!!!!" He thought for a moment, and said: "I just love hearing you say it."
Kara0ki surely that’s not true
funny. and lots of guys who played with him are undoubtedly amused. when you are an a** h**, there are plenty of good jokes about you. the same joke probably went around about Tommy Dorsey.
Wow. I kinda believe it. Gees how rude
@@Jay-lr3me I know I'm a little late, search UA-cam for Buddy Rich bus rant. Just a heads up there's a lot of bad language.
I’m wouldn’t be surprised if this was true, I’ve heard many rumors of jazz bandleaders being complete assholes to their band members, with buddy rich this was halfway true.
I am a lifelong drummer and grew up in complete awe of Buddy Rich. I remember when this show aired and, at the time, didn’t give it much thought. Now, 40+ years later, I’m embarrassed for Buddy. His bitterness over the lack of public appreciation for jazz is sad and maybe understandable. But to put down great artists like Glenn Campbell and Chet Atkins is the height of ignorance. Wichita lineman is a musical masterpiece that transcends all genres. Charlie Parker, one of the greatest jazz saxophonists of all time, loved country music. He was known to push one coin after another into jukeboxes filled with country music titles and told his fellow jazz musicians to “listen to the words”. Sorry Buddy, but you got it all wrong on this one.
I’m fully aware that Jimmy Webb was the composer.
Agreed. I am a pro, 66 year old guitarist. I grew up also playing Trombone in very large school bands in the suburbs of Buffalo. You could not, not know about the jazz and big band greats like Rich. In 1966 moved to rural Virginia where s___kicker music ruled. Nobody knew of Buddy Rich and the like but they loved their Neanderthal George Jones.
Not sure that Rich knew how great a guitar player Glen Campell was. I love the musical excitement of Buddy Rich but when it comes to "I am a lineman for the county", sorry Buddy, am picking Glen.
Having said that, great country music is ok, bad country music offends me also, for a ton of reasons.
Gotta love a guy like Buddy. I miss him and his era especially at the end of my life when quality matters so much more.
I saw Glen Miller recently.
It was just fantastic. My grandkids have laptops and program EDM, it is not fantastic. Lament.
@Instramark.. Very cool! we are the same age, I spent 63 years in Jersey until we moved to NC 3 years ago. I was playing Steely Dan and Toto covers, now I’m playing Clint Black and Blackberry Smoke. All that matters to me is that whatever music I play, I play it well. I grew up playing piano and singing, so I’ve been exposed to all types of music. I enjoy Burt Bacharach to Stan Kenton.
I'm a drummer and love watching him but he's a prick
I am a drummer, I did see Buddy in concert also Glen Campbell maybe Buddy should of "Try a little kindness" that said we all walk through life if you enjoy your music then good luck to you it would be wrong to change that
"This doesn' t conform to the aesthetic I'm used to, therefore it's bad" - some members of every generation ever.
Although he came off like a miserable old man, this wasn't a generational beef. It was a genre beef.
Technically, the country music format is very simple.
@@PhillyJoe34 And you missed the entire idea.
As Louis Armstrong said about music, "It's good if it sounds good." No matter what kind of music one creates the point is to make it an enjoyable experience for the listener.
Exactly. My definition of good music is- it's 3 minutes of a sound that you want to hear again. Simple
He is saying the music is too simple. He was a master musician and maybe he just did not like it. I am sure there are people who cannot stand jazz. Remember a lot of jazz musicians were struggling by the time the late sixties came along. Unfortunalty, the lost of music programs in the schools has caused the quality of the music to go down today. He is not really saying anything here that is not true and no cowboy could beat those drums like Buddy.
@@lauraveney1412 Wrong. He is telling people what they should like. Art is subjective. Buddy is a hypocrite who can't stand that his music isn't appreciated more.
Glenn Cambell played on numerous albums the legendary producer Phil Spektor created (Beach Boys ect). These were the elite session players who could anything from county to rock to jazz. They made HIT RECORDS. Rich is just upset he was not asked to sit in. Now we see why. What a douche.
@@downthestretch85 Do honestly think that Buddy Rich was pressed about Glen Campbell?
Buddy could have easily used Chet Atkins to prove his case if he wanted, Chet was no stranger to jazz. I'm convinced now Buddy was socially incompetent.
haha yes, socially incompetent is a very kind way to put it
That is a good term for him.
yes i agreed w/everything that he was saying except when he put down glen campbell and chet atkins who were both great guitarists
He was also musically incompetent because he couldn't read music. He had to learn songs by rote before he could play drums to them.
To me Buddy Rich only makes noise with those sticks. That’s all !
Glen Campbell was a top rated guitarist period.
He was badass. You can't suck if you're a session player. He could play a lot more than country
He played on Frank Sinatra's LP's..lol. Buddy picked on the wrong 2 guys to make his point.
no, not period, connor adcock is correct
I saw Glen Campbell "Shredding" an Electric Guitar sitting in with some rock band on In Concert back in the 70s. I was a young learning Guitarist who up to that point had only heard his Country and Pop. Surprised the crap Outta Me I tell you. Amazing Guitarist.
Glen was exceptional as a musician. Buddy is a child trained savant who had poor social skills. And an asshole!
Roy Clark was an incredible country guitarist.....
Clark, Jerry Reed, Glen Campbell, Chet Atkins could all play a mean guitar. All four were extremely skilled. Clark had hands as fast as any Jazz or Classical musician.
Roy was an incredibly gifted guitarist period
Hank Garland, Grady Martin, Albert Lee. Roy Nichols, Don Rich. Give me a break Buddy
Buddy must never have heard Roy Clark's blazing fingers on the banjo or guitar.
@@jvahausstudios1276 So you share his level of ignorance?
@@jvahausstudios1276 Of course I will. Otherwise that backwards hillbilly music may lose its relevance, then the sophisticated folks like you would have one less thing to talk shit about. I've accepted that I will never be enlightened like you and Buddy Rich, so my lack of intelligence and understanding of musical talent will keep me circling the drain like all other fans of country music.
Perhaps you could suggest another genre of music that you consider backwards? I would love to be exposed to more types of shitty music that's meant for people like me. Thankfully I'm so oblivious, I can't tell the difference between great music and the sound of a broken garbage disposal.
@@jvahausstudios1276 lol another jazz snob, angry that no one cares about jazz anymore
Both Roy Clark and Glen Campbell were total musical superiors to Buddy Rich. What a small person he was.
@@michaelneal900 He was bitter and envious of their success, and this bigot was just giving a self-serving rant.
It's sad he was so close minded. For him to slam Glen Campbell and Chet Atkins like that is unacceptable.
lane58 yeah. he was a great drummer, but I didn't like his comments on "hillbilly music". come on: chet atkins not talented????
That is one way to look at it but I think that some people who would be into country would just as close minded to jazz
No doubt, those two musicians were out of this world!
Campbell and Atkins made a lot more money than he did. He couldn't afford a decent wig.
+Nobsav
Perhaps they wouldn't be open to jazz, but they wouldn't be a$$hole$ about it.
Sometimes people just want something simple. Complicated music appeals to other musicians. Nobody wants to listen to intricate music all the time.
And some people will never like intricate music. I have a friend that doesn't even listen to music. It is not her thing. So what? She loves gardening.
Clark, Jerry Reed, Glen Campbell, Chet Atkins could all play a mean guitar. All four were extremely skilled. Clark had hands as fast as any Jazz or Classical musician.
"Nobody"?
@@MrGarysugarman
Obvious hyperbole
True sometimes a simple song can a have powerful message
Somewhere in another dimension J S Bach is telling buddy, there is simply more to music than mere big band jazz
Exactly what I was thinking. Jazz is simple compared to that and actually he is simple for not even knowing this fact but still the best drummer ever
@@deppurple700 there were many better drummers
bach is boring, GTFOOH
@@mehermusic2154 Bach is in a different league. A virtuoso before anyone..No1
@@mehermusic2154 Not that many in Jazz.
Buddy Rich - the prototype for the original Star Trek cast - specifically Dr. Spock.
That's MR. Spock . . .
@@sequencerman5 thanks, I forgot - LOL, it's been awhile.
I am not trying to excuse Buddy Rich's comments, but his opinion goes much deeper than just his personal views expressed here. The real issue is that for the longest time Drums and Country & Western music did not mix. If a picture is worth a thousand words, it was a scene in the 1978 movie "The Buddy Holly Story" that said it all. Buddy Holly and his bandmates were in Nashville to record an album. But the studio refused to allow his drummer to perform. When asked why, the record producer replied "because drums are for marching." Country Music didn't like drummers and drummers, such as Buddy Rich, didn't like Country Music.
very good point. And Buddy's hair is much worse than country music. lol
Insightful comment. Thanks. Also, at the time, America's great invention, jazz, was not held in the same high regard as classical music. Opinions have changed for the better, of course. He is from a community that was trying to elevate jazz and be more understood. That said, I don't agree with his statements. Generally, the best musicians are the biggest music fans. Their ears are so good; they hear even the slightest bit of nuance in rhythm and melody in any form and are happy to sing the praises of others. I saw Buddy live in the early 80's. The show was very good. I did not realize then how narrow minded he was. It's sad to know.
That's a good point. I'm trying to think of country songs with drums, but none come to mind off the top of my head.
33VMUH Great point. Valid observation. Another observation is Buddy Rich was a self righteous asshole.
@Cliff Hanley Coltrane could be very moving. He wasn't just an "angry tenor" as he was often described back in the day. Listen to his performance on a ballad such as "Soul Eyes" or "After The Rain", or even his lovely solo on Miles Davis' "Flamenco Sketches" from the 'Kind of Blue' album. Coltrane could move you to tears.
Not only was he completely narrow minded about music, but he cut that lovely girl off as she was speaking. Very rude
@Jay you're entitled to your opinion. I love country music. Especially love bluegrass
Barbara Feldon. Agent 99 on "Get Smart". Among other things. And The other guest there is George Lindsey. Goober Pyle, Gomer's Cousin, on The Andy Griffith Show.
Asshole
@ Jay obviously he's never listened to Merle Haggard or Townes Van Zandt.
@@scottmosher7402 or Tony rice or Bill monroe
The irony here is that Country is heavily derived from the Blues, and Blues and Jazz are closely related. Buddy almost certainly played Blues during his career. And Country music is full of virtuoso musicians (Glen Campbell being one of them), and not just anyone can "play it on one string". And not just anyone can sing it either. It takes talent. Buddy is embarrassing himself with his ignorance here. Even the audience seems embarrassed; very few of them applaud and this is during a time when Country music wasn't all that fashionable.
Good point
it may be derived from but it lacks the technical proficiency and the harmonic sophistication of jazz. Yet as a jazz musician I enjoy most music but for different reasons.I don't listen to country music for the same reason that I listen to jazz. I think Buddy was limited to just listening to music as a very skill musicians perspective. He could not just listen to enjoy it. I have jazz purist friends like that.
@@troysanders7775 You are wrong about that. Many Country music performers are every bit as virtuosic and have just as much technical proficiency as jazz players. Glen Campbell started out as a sort-after session guitarist with the famed Wrecking Crew (many of whom are jazz players, too). There are many different styles of "Country music," just as there are different types of jazz, rock, or R&B, Classical, etc...Lumping them all together is utterly ignorant.
@@kraken138 No, I am not wrong. You have your opinion and you are entitled to it as I am to mine and you are utterly ignorant to think otherwise.
@@kraken138 Buddy was spot on!!!
Love "Wichita Lineman" sung by Glen Campbell, written by Jimmy Webb.
He was also a session guitar player
@lanzacash it's a masterpiece too deep for buddy rich to comprehend.
That is a Jimmy Webb tune. He was equally as masterful as Glen and musicians recognize that. This jazz musician covers that tune. Hell, my father recorded By the Time I Get to Pheonix on his bloody LP as well which sits just fine next to his Brasilian Jazz tunes, now classics, on that release.
Jazz musicians often are incapable of appreciating performances that are tightly composed, strictly arranged, and played according to understood guidelines. Buddy Rich, while he played with arrangements and horn sections and such, also put a high priority on the much-celebrated jazz component of improvisation, improvisation, improvisation. The fact that the non-jazz hit recording of "Wichita Lineman" is beautiful, and conveys, in its lyrics, an ordinary man in love, expressing extraordinary thoughts in a poetical way, is completely lost on him. Rich was known to be a kind of talented monster, as many self-proclaimed geniuses are.
Great song. Great orchestration in that recording.
"Jazz, the only artform this country has produced"
What about Rock 'n' Roll, Blues, Folk etc?
Jazz is born out of the Blues and Rock n Roll born out of both Blues and Jazz. When he says "jazz" he isn't separating the Blues because without the Blues there would literally be no Jazz. All were black art forms created by African descendants.
Lol, he's not even aware of post WW2 US art movements like Pop Art, or composers like John Cage, Morton Feldman, Steve Reich etc.
Rock was developed from Jazz and Jazz was evolved from African folk music so.....Ya, Rich was a douche but I get what he is saying. Country is simple, at times.mind.numbing, but sometimes after a hard day, that is what I want. Some of Rich's jazz after a shitty day would put me into a seizure.
The man sporting a cheap toupee lectures on taste......
That rug looks like it was taken off of a mannequin at Montgomery Wards.
The cheap toupee doesn't mean he's not correct...Country is Garbage on a musical level...Simpleton music.
@Cliff Hanley 😆😆😆
@@gregwest2028 I think your comment is garbage. See how easy it is.........simpleton?
@@gregwest2028 at least country musicians play all the right notes in the correct order. jazz 'musicians' play notes that aren't even real notes.
I can play paradiddles at 220bpm (Buddy's speed) however that does not give me the right to slag other types of music off, I just don't listen to it!
@@KingCrimson82 Criticsing any type of music wont change the minds of those who chose to listen, I get Buddy tried to educate the masses but pushing string up hill springs to mind
Pretty interesting that Buddy Rich's rant about country music was done with Goober from Mayberry sitting there. Old time TV was loaded with strange ranges of guests.
It was! They would put any bizarre conglomeration of guests together. I think it made TV fun then. Like Oliver Reed and Shelley Winters on the Tonight Show.
Haha , maybe Goober set him off just by being there . 😆😆😂😂🤔🤔😥😥🤢🤢🤮🤮
Roberto G he was on Hee Haw at the time ... A huge showcase for country music
Buddy was rude while the others were gracious
@@hairdisc Buddy just proved what what most people thought. That he was a arrogant abrasive ignorant insensitive insulting ass
Joe Henderson said “don’t ask me about jazz,I know more about Johnny cash than I know about Charlie Parker!”
Also miles Davis loved willie Nelson
Everyones names in this comment is relevant except Joe
As a drummer myself I can’t help but be a huge fan of Buddy Rich. He’s a truly phenomenal drummer. But hearing him say this really makes me think he should have kept his mouth shut and just played. I can understand him appreciating musicians who (to him) seem to have devoted more time and effort to what they create musically. But he should remember that music is art. Different people appreciate different things about music for different reasons as it appeals to them personally. There is a lot of simple music that still achieves the goal of making people feel something. What I respect about punk rock the most is how the earliest punk bands did not care at all if the music snobs thought it was just poorly produced simplistic trashy noise. Punk rock certainly does have value even though it’s not super complex and on average does not appeal to the tastes of classically trained musicians. Every genre of music does have value as art for many different reasons. That being said I was very disappointed to see this video cut off before he got behind the drum set.
Buddy was a complete fool! He could play fast...that's it
Wonder what Buddy's take on mumble rap would have been
Like most of the people from this era, I imagine the racism would start to become more prevalent
@@countersteer713 Do you think so? He played Jazz with a lot of black musicians back then, so I can't seem to understand how would he would be a racist nowadays.
Buddy, I think it's time that we, as a country, moved forward to good hairpieces, rather than backwards to whatever that atrocious thing is on your heard.
Well Buddy, if country music is so simple , sit down at a double neck pedal steel and show us how easy it is.
Yes!!
He's dead..and he could do it blindfolded I'm sure. Scientists have studied his drumming he was that good.
I am not a country fan and I admit I’ve teased people for liking country, but I don’t sh$t on country. By all means challenge people, in a friendly way, to improve and branching out, trying new things. He’s just a big city snob.
Yeah when you’re just playing 4/4 it’s easy so easy
Which episode of Star Trek is this ?
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He was a great drummer. Obviously, he knew nothing about country music
Know what ? There's nothing to know about nothing :)
@@so70aeiou Exactly!!!... And that is the same attitude many Classically trained musicians have towards musicians like Buddy Rich and Jazz music. I believe they call anything not Classical, Pop music, including Jazz. Sounds pretty stupid and snobby, huh!?!?! 🙄
@@so70aeiou wow!!
Buddy was also playing the same boring, dated big band numbers all throughout his career
@@raymondabella2289 Not true. I have met many classical musicians that have great respect for jazz musicians.
He's entitled to his opinion. I don't really understand why people get so upset or want to close others down who hold an opinion that differs from their own; we're talking about preference in music, it's not life or death. I happen to think that the world is a better place because Charlie Parker and Hank Williams were around.
Well it's one thing to have an opinion, and it's another to be obnoxious about it.
@@60Cascade That may be true. But it doesn't change anything where this is concerned.
@@TheClemcaster It changes everything when you can't hold an opinion without disrespecting others who don't share your opinion. Mike Douglas and George Lindsey were both willing to engage Buddy in this exchange and yet he's not secure enough (or mature enough) to show them the same courtesy. The guy has no class and that's what people are responding to. There's nothing wrong with not liking country music, but to go on national television and act the way he does is opening yourself up to criticism.
@@60Cascade What do want me to about it? I'm not Buddy Rich...write to his estate. My point is, 60Cascade, I don't really know why people are making such an issue out of it - yes, I know, Buddy was very rude - here's the news, Rich was infamous for behaving like this; everyone on the show seemed to take it in their stride. Which is more than I can say for you.
@@TheClemcaster Oh trust me I take it all in stride. I simply responded to your comment. Sorry if I rattled you.
I'm not the biggest fan of country but Buddy forgets that Bob Wills had some of the best Jazz musicians in his western swing band and Louie Armstrong played on some tracks with Jimmie Roger's. Then to put down Chet Akins...lol! Just goes to show that some big city folks have delusions of grandure when it comes to how sufisticated they view themselves and don't know how dumb they look when they put down country folks. Jazz and just about all forms of American music got their start in the south, the place we big city folks refer to as the country. Oh well, even though he made an idiotic statement that made him look stupid on national TV, he still was a good drummer.
He sounds like he has some type of bigotry narcissist social issue with other humans music culture that isn't exactly the same as his music culture he grew up with in Brooklyn. I'm thankful I was raised and grew up with peers my own age that liked music genres of mass different human cultures not just one genre human culture of music.
It's simpler to play rock or country. But simple doesn't mean it can't be done with excellence. That's what he's missing.
His philosophy on music is absolutely correct yet completely wrong at the same time
He's much more right than wrong
@@doronharati3451 nah he is just wrong. and a bully and toxic personality. You can't trust someone like that to be neutral and objective about the truth and reality. they warp and twist things to fit their own personal ideology contrary to what might be empirically true
@@bitchface235 I think he exaggerated intentionally because you can't in a single interview to educate the mainstream crowd about music, his ideology was not to let the music art from to be cheap and trashy, today every idiot can create music with freeware aps without any real knowledge nor skills on musical instruments or basic rhythm and harmony study, the digital technology tends society to be shallow, Buddy Rich ideology was to get society to be educated about quality of music, he may was tough and rude to his session band mates but the man always took himself and his crowd very seriously unlike untalented so called "musicians" compare to "real musicians", Frank Zappa had the same ideology on his interviews, the difference is that he expressed his philosophy more cohesive than Buddy Rich.
He's completely wrong actually. Simplicity is not the same as immaturity. Complexity is not the same as maturity.
Country is not uniquely simplistic when compared to other contemporary genres and he only singles it out because of its connection to rural whites.
Country was at it's height in popularity at the time of this interview and some of the most talented acts and hall of fame performers (George Jones, Tammy Wynette, Conway Twitty, Loretta Lynn, Johnny Cash etc. etc.) were in their prime and their may be some jealousy involved in his opinion.
I was thinking the same thing...Waylon, Willie, Buck Owens...If he said it about pop country coming out of Nashville today I could see a point even thought the studio musicians in Nashville are still superb....they unfortunately have to go where the bread is. I never knew he was such a arrogant man.
@TheJimmieRodgersFan After re-watching this interview I have to say that I feel embarrassed for Buddy, he cut Barbara Feldon off, he was kinda rude with Mike Douglas when he said "I'm the guest" I was watching George Lindsey (who has alot of friends in country music) and I did not like Buddy disrespecting Chet Atkins and Glenn Campbell and country music in general. But I think George showed alot of class in not telling Buddy off like I would have, the blues and jazz were black music and country was white man blues, oh and what's the deal with Buddy's wig ?
@@TheGimmelstob Today's country is more like Rock 'n' Roll with a twang. I like it.
@@TheGimmelstob he wouldn’t have said that crap to Waylon Jennings.
@@TheGimmelstob Buddy was an insanely arrogant narcissist, but he wasnt wrong here. He wasnt very nice, but at the root of what he was saying, there was truth.
I like Jazz just as much as Country, R&B, Blues, Rock and Reggae Etc! I want to taste all the vegetables in the garden!
Exactly. .
Give me the whole garden.
Not just the tomatoes
@@lemonnlimelight2760 My sentiments exactly. I want to sample all the vegetables in the garden!
I love the story about when Buddy was receiving medical therapy before his death, a nurse asked him if he was allergic to anything and he replied: "Yes, Country & Western music." 😂
Im not a country fan either,but im not going so far as to berate it's artists,and yes there are three or four country tunes that i like. His snobbery is extremely distasteful.
fully agree…not a warm sense of humor…
Well at least he didn't pick on Dusty Springfield.
He’s talking through his hat about a genre he clearly knows nothing about. Why are Jazz musicians such arrogant jerks?
buddy's concept that simple = unsophisticated or "backward" shows how simple buddy rich was.
I love Buddy's drumming, but you're right. Even Lou Reed and the Velvet Underground, for all their lyrical sophistication and sonic experiments, knew the value of a simple song.
Clark, Jerry Reed, Glen Campbell, Chet Atkins could all play a mean guitar. All four were extremely skilled. Clark had hands as fast as any Jazz or Classical musician.
the more I listened to this guy the more I realized he has no idea about music , glen cambell a brilliant muso much too good for this blokes dead end road trying to express his unfortunate knowledge in his view of music in general , I sensed he was a great fan of himself .
Agreed, total sense of self-righteous superiority. Many assholes have the same problem! And, yes he's his own biggest fan/supporter!
hi imadeintheimage nice to see you all the way from australia
Right Glen Campbell was a very accomplished musician who played many different genres . Buddy could have said what he wanted to say about country music without naming artists. He also trashed Chet Atkins in the same interview. Rich was a total low class jerk.
@Badass Frank Henry he sucked
@Badass Frank Henry he might've come close to the top 100 greatest drummers.
-maybe.
As a musician who did is term project on Chet Atkins, this is a major reason I didn't take up jazz until I was over 50.
Glen Campbell, Chet Akins, Roy Clark, Junior Brown, James Burton, Jerry Reed, Don Rich, and Danny Gatton > Any of Buddy Rich's guitar players.
Jimmy Bryant, Hank Garland, Thumps Carlille, Grady Martin ...
A little frustration and jealousy here. It pisses him off that that most skilled players aren’t the most appreciated. In a way I see his point. In sports, the best teams and best athletes usually get all the success, in careers the best accountants and lawyers get success, in acting the best actors make it big but yet in music sometimes the most brilliant musicians are never heard of but the most talentless dip shit can be cashing in making millions.
Well also in sports there is an objective measure of skill - how many points your team scores and how much you contribute to that. I mean, it's not cut-and-dried I guess...but it's certainly a lot less subjective than skill measurement in music is. To be considered "skilled" on an instrument, do you need to be able to play scales really fast? Sight-read any music placed before you? Play back note-for-note anything you hear? Play well with an orchestra/band? Play with "feeling"? Given all that, though...music created by committee and performed by an autotuned "singer" who can't really sing...that kind of music gets pretty close to "objectively bad" IMHO. But it sells well.
Actually, the best actors don't always make it big. Ambition, drive, and luck play a big part in it.
Each to his or her own, but I never liked rich's music, too obsessively busy for its own sake. I much prefer hearing genuine blues guitarists like jack Johnson holding and bending a single note for 12 bars. They not only do it well, but do it with inventiveness style taste and powerfully convey emotion. Mostly, less is more.
Buddy rants about how country music is predictable, but acts like tons of jazz music doesn’t have lots of predictable chord progressions as well lol. Plus, playing a Joe Maphis song on one string is near impossible. Man was extremely talented.
You can't deny the man was a virtuoso on the drums. I always found him funny because his ego was just so over the top. Compared to him William Shatner is humble.
I don’t think William Shatner is really arrogant and full of himself. He just acts pompous for fun, like a Don Knotts chara. He’s played the fool in all kinds of TV commercials and does silly stunts. He’s available to fans, and he’s at least likable.
Rich puts himself up to be some final arbiter of musical taste, and if you don’t like what he likes, then you’re just unsophisticated and simpleminded.
Charlie Parker loved country-&-western music. I'll take the word of a jazz genius over an overrated entertainer any day. Buddy was bad for jazz. His arrogance helped make jazz an exclusive club. Jazz was meant to be the music of the people, not elites, but regular people. And the guy wasn't as good as people make him out to be. I prefer people like Art Blakey.
And this idea that Chet Atkins was not a virtuoso is simply ridiculous. Comparing Chet to Charlie Christian and saying you wouldn't want to listen to Chet is like comparing Bill Evans to Oscar Peterson then saying you wouldn't like Evans after hearing Oscar.
As far as country music being simple... [laughs] as a jazz guitarist I can tell you that virtuosity is alive and well in Nashville. Those boys can play the shit out of any type of music, including jazz (and yes Glen Campbell was a talented musician). It's no mistake that people like Larry Carlton and Robben Ford live in Nashville now. Virtuosity isn't beholding to any one type of music.
What's sickening to me now is that I'll occasionally meet a non-musician who's saying that they only like traditional jazz. They don't even know what that means. But I think what they're saying is that they want jazz to be a museum piece... it's this same type of arrogance because they think favoring esoteric music makes them special, but they couldn't tell you what going on in the music. Meanwhile jazz musicians can't earn a living wage because jazz has been placed in a museum.
Perfect said! Thank you. Rich was an elite leftist before it became the sickening norm.
Nicely said.
"an overrated entertainer any day." -your comment
Buddy Rich was many things, but overrated he certainly wasn't. Ask the musicians who saw him play.
@@jamesanthony5681 Name one recording he made where his drumming was instrumental in making that tune a hit. Can't think of one? Get it? He's overrated. You probably couldn't pick his playing out of a line-up. You essentially just know the name.
@@PolaOpposite I don't drum - I've seen him on TV many times - but I personally know 2 rock drummers who've said he was the best that they had ever seen, *BETTER* in fact, than all the familiar names. And this was when Rich was well past middle age.
I've heard countless interviews from many of Rich's contemporaries and bandmates over the past 55+ years who said he was a genius. And at least one of them, a former guitarist in his band who had no love for the man, said he was a genius. I think that's good enough for me. They would know better than you or me. So, I think I know more than just the name.
I don't know of a recording where his drumming made a tune a hit. But so what? That doesn't diminish his greatness as a drummer. He was a jazz performer, and outside of Miles Davis (Kind of Blue, 1959), how many jazz performers were in the vanguard of music who had albums that outsold pop or rock acts, or had a jazz piece that went no. 1? Very few, I'd imagine.
Buddy Rich was such a jerk.
Because he didn't like trash.
I am a musician/singer who performs everything from R&B to heavy metal to opera so all I'll say is this: I have found myself moved to tears unexpectedly by Glen Campbell songs and have also found myself bored to tears by Buddy Rich drum solos.
In music, groove, feel & good songwriting >>>>>> technical speed and complexity. Any music which serves only to highlight technical prowess and complexity is just the musical Olympics as far as I'm concerned.
If complexity is the mark of what is good, then Mozart leaves Buddy Rich in the dust.
Glenn Campbell should’ve slapped that bad hair piece off his head.
As a drummer who idolized Buddy growing up, the more I have learned about him the less I like him. Music taste is a wide range and to say an art form is wrong or lesser than another based on the level of technicality is asinine. There’s meaning in all music; just because it didn’t resonate with him didn’t mean it wasn’t resonating with others. This is another great reason to hate this pompous man.
Also
ua-cam.com/video/S4PEf7yYCZE/v-deo.html Glen Campbell’s band blew Buddy’s out of the water.
Right , for instance I could never get the appeal for Bachman Turner Overdrive but there was a market for their simplistic kind of rock. if music makes other people happy then fine , you don't have to listen to it.
I agree. I'm wondering why Douglas and the Lindsey didn't call him out on it. Pitiful.
yeah for sure, he's being very un-artist by blaming the artist on the audience, I think most visibly in the case of Chet Atkins. Gimme a break! I know he felt the need to speak up for jazz, which would've been super effective if he'd put in on the racism against jazz players, but he must've known he was going to lose by putting down other stuff. you don't have to be into country to get that
When I heard his comment about Glen Campbell I thought clearly this man has never heard Glen Campbell.
His mirror lied to him!!!!
Who better to defend the integrity of country music than Goober?
Long ago, Buddy Rich had surgery and all went well.
He had a private nurse and since he had just gotten a dose of morphine for his pain, he was fast asleep. The nurse put the radio on to some music and went to the veranda. There she smoked a cigarette and chatted with other nurses. Suddenly, a terrible screaming was heard and it was coming from Buddy Rich's room.
The nurse said:Buddy what's wrong? He replied, pointing to the radio: Country Music! Country Music!!
In the thumbnail i thought someone slapped buddys head on spocks body
You don't have a lot of room to talk after we all see your profile picture. You must be a cuntry music lover, Gilligan.
@@Decimator-jh4gu hmmm. U must be one ugly goofy looking fucker commenting on my 6 year old profile pic. Sorry. I will try to post a recent, better quality pic for u. U got no vids? Usually the 1st indicator of a loser low frequency troll
Glen Campbell was a great talent.
Sure, if you like the guy riding a horse with one leg, slung over the saddle, singing about the home on the Range😅
@@kitrichardson2165 Glen Campbell was on of the most skilled and accomplished session musicians who cut his teeth as a session musicians before he became a solo artist. The man could play up to seven instruments. He is also one of the most skilled guitar players who even played on records with Frank Sinatra.
Now I see why comments on the other video were disabled. Everybody totally rejects what this man says about country music. I play guitar and I don't like country music, but I have a lot of respect for those who play it. With 2 chords Chet Atkins, Danny Gatton, Glenn Campbell and others made amazing music.
glad you reposted my video.. I guess I just cut and shortened it to make it easier to watch... But yeah, good on ya. haha!
Buddy Rich looked like he combed his hair with buttered toast.
It's a rug.
@@coachgarcia3130 A rug soaked in butter
Damn he insulted Glenn Campbell by insulting Wayne Newton.😂
Roy Clark, Jerry Reed, Chet Atkins, Don Rich, Buddy Harman, Tommy Cogbill , and the list goes on. The majority of early Country songs didn't require elaborate instrument solo's, unlike other genre's. If it was done, it would of sounded out of place, but there were exceptions.. That being said, if anyone (including Mr. Rich) were to call the above musicians "entry level" or amateur , I'd sad they were lying, hated Country,or were full of it. I'd rather Mr. Rich of said "Sorry to the fans of this particular genre, but I can't stand Country. I don't like to speak ill will of the decease, but he made an ass of himself, here.
Art is in the eye of the beholder. Buddy should know that.
What Buddy was trying to say is that the 'real' artists of popular music don't get the appreciation and financial reward that they
deserve. But in order to appreciate musicians like Charlie Parker, Lester Young etc; you've really got to have some knowledge of the
craft. And that's something that not everyone either cares or wants to attain
thanks, yours the best here so far--it's also imperative to understand the history of American music enough, which The Band was a great example of and why education is so important in schools. people have to keep in mind Buddy was under pressure as a 'Vaudeville child.'
I love jazz and Buddy was an inspiration for me being a drummer. But Chet Atkins was exceptional, and this is the perfect case of why most people hate "jazz enthusiasts".
Its of great value that so many people enjoy boring country music.
Buddy Rich is no different than all the great leaders of every field and industry: They promote the industry, not themselves. Even in the early days of IBM, they didn’t advertise IBM even though they had competitors, they advertised computers. True leadership.
Except Buddy, as great as he was, did not lead or innovate in the jazz world. He perfected his art form (big band jazz) and clung to it till he died.
Miles Davis, Max Roach, Coltrane, and Tony Williams were all much better examples of great leaders in jazz. And they’d likely disagree with the old man yelling at clouds here.
This interview clearly happened way before Ken Burns' Country series. The panel might have been a little more prepared to counter Buddy's outlandish assertion, says this professional Jazz musician...
He was a great musician, but he was also a narrow minded snob.
As much as I Love Buddy Rich,MY former drum teacher knew him,I Never met him, however Chick Webb would've buried Buddy Rich. He was THAT good!! Both Gene Krupa and Elvin Bishop hands down said Chick Webb was thee best no question. Had he lived,Buddy Rich wouldve been at his feet.!! look him up on youtube here.
@@BBQFanNo1 I heard the "Bus Tapes" He told his band, "What's with these beards? What is this, the house of David?"
its funny. He says country music is dumb, and then plays mindless garbage on the drums. good laff.
Buddy Rich was always a douche, but Mike Douglas never should have taken the conversation there. It was wrong to do that to the guest whose spot it was at that moment, George Linsey.
“I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'.” ― Bob Newhart
Wait, did he downplay and cast aside Atkins? Yeah he lost any little bit of credibility he had right there. Chet was a thousand times the musician Buddy was. (Insert drummer joke here)
I didn’t realize he was so delusional and full of himself. Sad
Absolutely.
You know what doesn’t sound good?!?!? CLAMS!!!!!!
Jazz and blues are the most important 💙thing humans ever made
Going with the Spock look - groovy!!!
Mel Torme stuck it to him on TV one night.
What did he do?
for a guy who routinely trashed rock & roll and country music, I was stunned to read an interview with him where he said Levon Helm was the best drummer he'd heard.
Buddy you are a drummer how many chords do you know ?
About 43 years ago I saw him in Florida I walked out during a number and felt bad about it for years,walking out in the middle of someone playing--but watching Buddys act on the Mike Douglass I no longer feel bad. Buddy Rich SMH
oh brother....blah blah blah
Says the man wearing the obvious cheap toupee'.
Can you imagine what Buddy would think of the music today?
What's really insulting here is his hairdo!
Buddy Rich was 1000th percent right. God Bless Mr. Rich . 🙏
No he wasn't. A great drummer, but a conceited twat who was, by all accounts, a vile bastard.
Another person raised without tact and manners. The man was a great drummer doesn't give him the right to be rude and ignorant. Some of the boys in his own band jammed with Glenn Campbell regularly.
I was always a rock and classical fan, but I liked country and jazz on the side. Now I like old country more than ever and value Ring of Fire (among others) more than everything Buddy Rich has done put together.
ua-cam.com/video/g67-LyG6JBY/v-deo.html
Here's the full video of that show that includes both of Buddy's performances. The first one, a solo, and the second one by the band. Even though I don't agree with his assessment of country music. I think I understand a few bits of where he was going with the simplicity argument, although he sounded like a total horses ass. Since you've probably already cringed when you saw his horrible interview, watch his performance too, so you can see his amazing talent.
I like the way Buddy thinks.
The idea of Buddy Rich’s bitter ghost watching jazz die and country take over the pop-music world brings a wee tear to my eye.
~Sincerely, an avid jazz & country fan who worships at the alter of both Charlie Parker AND Chet Atkins.
@@boweevil6442 "Heavily associated?" Yeah I don't think so. Ntm Guy shrugged off Chet in this exact interview in favor of bringing up Charlie Cristian, so he most definitely had him in mind. Guy's perspectives here are entirely musically-bigoted and have nothing to do with whatever anti-racist conjecture came to your mind.
Buddy was ahead of his time! Country music is de-evolution.
Another person without manners. He is entitled to his opinion per se but has no right to insult country people the way he did. I listened to him do this before and he goes beyond the music and starts to mock certain groups of people which is outright bigotry and as a Jew he ought to know that that leads to no good.
I play the drums to jazz and guitar to country and I like them both equally
George Lindsay Sat right next to buddy rich and didn’t try to defend country music. As everybody here knows, at the time he was on the popular TV show Hee Haw which featured many country music acts. Very surprised he didn’t try to defend country music
I'm a fan of mr.rich...Glenn Campbell was a great guitarist and had a great career. Chet Atkins and Roy Clark were awesome as well. It's a bit insulting. R I P.
Eh, it's just an opinion. Doesn't stop him from being an incredible drummer. Personally, I dig good Country.
No harm in that. If it's enjoyable music, what does anything matter? I don't think we're all designed the same way to pursue the same things. Different strokes etc.
It is musical bigotry. He has no tolerance for anything he doesn't like. It is immature and smacks of insecurity. Not a role model for a human being in any way.
he's not that good he's the most overrated drummer ever. Johnny Cash probably fucked his woman and he's bitter
@Glenn Hudson No evidence of a soul or an afterlife, so I think he would just be non-existent at this point.
@Glenn Hudson What does that sentence mean?
Mike Douglas was an amazing diplomat and mediator.
Thanks for leaving comments on - People need to know facts. I understand what Buddy was trying to convey - but it just shows that he was uneducated in this area especially regarding Glen Campbell. Fact: Glen Campbell in his early days worked at a publishing house as a song writer and part of the session recording group on guitar but because of his great voice and ability to mimic a singer quite well - such as those listed by Buddy - he would be asked to record demos to pitch to those singers of potential songs for them to record and release - meaning he sang and sounded almost exactly like Sinatra, Bennet etc. He could sing any style and was paid to do so as part of his day job well before he became famous as an artist himself. And most of the songs he sang, many written by Jimmy Webb - were not country songs by any stretch of the imagination. And of course it is well documented how much session work he did later on - playing guitar and singing backing vocals - for artists such as Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra etc. He spent a great deal of time studying and playing in the style of Django Reinhardt and was quite comfortable soling improved lines over big band numbers - plenty of video exist on UA-cam for those curious.
For someone so talented he was so short sighted....As a drummer....Best ever......As a person....MAYBE... One of the worst ever...
gene kupra,john bohnam.rich was an arrogant fucking asshole who treated his band and most people like shit..burn in hell
For me, Buddy Rich never had a feel for music. He was a fast, flashy, technical, and loud drummer, but I never got a whole lot out of his act.
Goober is holding back his disgust
I would have liked to see a debate between Buddy Rich and Gram Parsons on country music being shit.
I agree with Buddy. I think what a lot of people are missing here is how a musician who has great chops, and thus has put in a lot of time practicing, playing and studying music, how they would look at what is simple music that is easy to play. Which is what a lot of country, pop or rap music is. It's child's play for them.
It doesn't matter, music isn't just about how many notes you can play or your chops. It's about the efficacy of conveying an emotion through song, and that's what Buddy is missing.
@@mrskinszszs He's not missing it, he's just not impressed by it.
@@steves4533 I addressed his reasoning why he's not impressed. If that's all he thinks music is about, then he's missing it. And let's be honest, he was a great drummer but he was mostly playing other people's arrangements of mostly big band standards.
I always thought Buddy Rich was an ass.. But he's exactly right. More people need to say it. There should be statues and highways and schools named for Jazz Musicians.
No he is not right, In the world of country, rock and folk there are great musicians, many better and more humble than himself
one thing about Buddy is you have to keep in mind he was a famed child and under pressure from the Vaudeville scene to keep his 'place secured.' it would of affected his general viewpoints, however, the education, as he said, is imperative in order to understand the history of all of American music, which was a melting pot of styles including fiddle music.
"The Cowboy Wayne Newton". Now I've heard it all. On a more serious note, the irony is that there was undoubtedly a time when Jazz was disparaged as an art form.. Oh well.