Throne js just as pay2win as Lost Ark , these titles are doomed in the west. It's impossible to get good traits on purple gear without buying lucent , drops are super low. Biggest dissapointment since Lost Ark.
Yea I'm sorry but you don't understand how to play the game if this is your take. You can sell stuff on the auction house for lucent and then buy whatever you need plus there's multiple ways to get what you need.
Unless your in one of the top guilds this is exactly how it feels, you need a super active guild with fair loot distribution or your not gonna have a good time. Also the AH prices many took advantage during EA and at the start now even purples are as low as 10/20 lucent and not even worth extracting traits for a large majority. To add as well you have to get lucky in great success crafting to even be able to sell a piece of gear as that’s the only way outside of a guild or maybe a litho is it can be litho as not everything can.
Having an active guild that will help you run dungeons and also runs Guild bosses and has fair loot distribution can help allot though. Problem is that many top guilds want you to play as job.
It's soulless because there's no sense of achievement. Since you can buy your way to gear it makes the people who have to work for it have no sense of accomplishments. That's the feeling you get when it feels pointless. "If i can just buy purple gear why don't I just do it? It's a lot faster that way"
Point of the auction house is to improve your item acquisition by a hundred fold, the drop rates in this game is abysmally low you need other players to get items for you and in exchange you sell stuff that might be useful to them. The way they designed this game is to use the auction house to your advantage, they literally give you the means to earn money from the gear drops. You dont even nees to pay as long as you play the game.
@@renzeldavid4568no way you typed this and said to yourself what I said made sense just because you don’t have to spend money doesn’t mean the next person won’t you can grind all you want but you’ll get grilled by the person who swipe their gear plus peaceful world bosses get gatekeeped by these people using eclipse games a joke just enjoy your p2w game but don’t make it seem like there isn’t any p2w here own up to it aleast or you can keep coping choice is yours
I'm right near level 50, almost done the main story quest. I'm curious if I'm gonna arrive at the same conclusion as you after grinding the endgame loop for a couple weeks
After hitting level 35, and running 4 - 5 dungeons, running out of dungeon energy, and realizing you can't grind when you want you need to conform to their system to gear up, which can be significantly sped up with p2w mechanics I came to the conclusion at level 35 that this games gameplay loop is disgusting The only people that will continue to play this game are those that play reaaaaally casually, or spend a shit load of money to level skills and gear
@@sirmarshall9521 i listen intently to all the story didn't rush levelling but hell must of glazed over cause i couldn't for the life of me tell u wat it was all about.
@@ofensatul 50 hours of entertainment for not spending a cent is a pretty good ROI. I did get bored at end game, but I don't care it didn't cost me anything.
Bro literally you pay for your scammy ass cell service and over priced food and you dont play a game because it's pay to win. You a are paying to win by having air conditioning others can't afford somewhere. Quit all the brainless yappin
They fixed the dungeon kick thing. The guild dominance thing is being monitored and theyre fixing some aspects of it too. I can guarantee that you wouldnt be top 25 just by swiping for gear. Its pay to win in a sense that if you want to have a boost to your progression or if you want tbe beat gear as early as possible but you still need to know how to play properly and what the current meta is etc. People are talking less in all games. The global chat in TL is always active and people do use voice comms every once and a while.
I have bought cosmetics, battle pass and leveling pass for free in the shop, making lucent is super easy in this game. Havent spent a dime other than early access
You can't craft you own items like Lineage2, you have to buy litographs from AH (p2w). You are struck in this dungeons repeating the same boss mechanics over and over like a robot, hoping for that lucky drop. Than you go to open world dung and they are tiny and crowded. Contracts are repetitive af. PvP requires 70 ppl online at same time and well geared, all small scale pvp is worthless and not rewarding. It's a painful game to play that stresses you out like the worst ungrateful full time job, hoping you swipe your credit card to relieve the pain.
Also the lack of classes and builds. No bgs like in wow, guild only content wtf, stupid open dungeons u can’t do without a party, many bugs, clunky combat, item grades and traits (p2w too). I’d rather spend 15 bucks on wow monthly and I’ll play without hurry cuz there’s no gated content, no stupid items grades, no p2w etc etc
The loot in dungeons everyone gets their own loot. They did fix that where ppl can’t kick you once the boss starts thankfully but they still need to do more cause ppl are still abusing the kick system in other ways kicking ppl before it even starts now.
elder scrolls online was great remember that time they actually balanced the pvpf then they broke it again i left when spell crafting was about to launch like wtf weere they thinking the game is already super unbalanced why break it even more solo pvp barely exist s now is not a thing no more they ruined it for solo players and ive had emperoroship multiple times but once they ruin solo pvp to force you to play in groups i dipped that ruined the game for me
PPL are hungry for a new good MMO thats why so many of them protecting this shit. I agree this game is soulless. I dont like the wierd combat, the laggy movement (just try to jump on textures...) It is hard to explain what is my problem but i always feels like something is off with this game, even whiteout considering the pay2win part. This game is feels like a PC ported mobile game. I dont have problem with micro transactions in f2play games, when they know how to balance it to not be too much, but this game is made to be pay2win, and its clear that their first goal is to milk everyone.
I played ArcheAge a while back , where graphics were good, combat was ok and you could own property and farm land. All of that was cool but got repetitive really quiick. And the most powerful card was "the credit card". The upgrade path for gear was ridiculously based on luck. You either get really lucky to upgrade your piece or it gets destroyed (and you have to do this many times in a row without failing to get the best gear). I left that game the moment i noticed how that works and what chances are of succeeding. Funny thing is the servers were taken down after cash cow stopped bringing revenue. A true example of PW2 no soul game. I am only a few hours into Throne and Liberty and like the levels of customisation available (only lvl 20 though so far) and so far I have not seen ArcheAge level of gambling in it. But yeah its probably soulless most games will be. But the story kept my attention so far even though it wasn't anything phenomenal so far its been made ok. Also GJ on the 4090 I am still stuck on a 2013 graphics card and ... the game still runs at 40-75 fps :D. Unbelievable. I dont think being top dog in a game like this is a realistic or even reasonable objective. Derping around looking at the world and weapons armor / combat animations is ok though. PVP is also limited in certain areas as far as I know so not forced on anyone (unlike previous NCsoft games like Lineage 2 where you get killed by enemy for the farm spot and drop parts of your gear on death). Also "game is dead in Korea" is not transferrable to the West / EU cause the game is not the same , its been adapted to the culture of our regions. I do believe the Korean version is probably more difficult in terms of getting upgrades/gear and there less "free benefits" for the F2P players than what we have. I suspect even the P2W element may be subdued for the west/eU release. I may be talking without enough knowledge but thats my feeling about it.
And they are right xD. This game is 100% a pc ported mobile game. Maybe autoplay were removed but the movement and combat still sucks thanks to the early plans.
Well said, even if the shiny are there but the clearly copy pasted characters from other fantasy games/lore mixed up makes it very weird. Like someone had to finish the game for a deadlines and was no artistic /gameplay supervision.
its not the grinding for gear that pisses me off, its the restrictions on grinding. I hit lvl 50 and hit that wall and I was certain I was missing something cause I couldnt grind for a blu set right away to get my gear level to 1600. The people who make this game dont play this game, they need to remember, I woke up one day early and started playing this game and before I went to bed I was level 50. I knew nothing about the game except that I wanted a bow xbow build. that is my jam. When I hit 50 I had a mix of one grey, one blue, and the rest was green gear. Remember I knew nothing about the game and was just grinding to 50 as fast as I could to start the dungeons to gear to 1600. I ran the main storyline quests and got stalled twice needing to pick up some of the other quests to gain a couple levels to qualify for the next story quest. I typically just did all the quests in the zone I was currently in to gain that level. no problem, props to this game for making questing so simple to understand. just press N on your keyboard and it pulls up those quests without ever needing to find an npc to begin them. So when I got to 50 I learned that gear from dungeons is dropped in a chest at the final boss. The loot can only be obtained by spending dimensional contract tokens and you ear 900 a day capping after 7 days. So that means you can only run 3 dungeons a day for gear. With 28 possible loot drops from each dungeons it was clear to me there has to be another way to gear cause this will take forever. Weekly missions, These are reset weekly and there is 4 categories. This is where you complete the tasks and earn gear weekly and they are random just like dungeons. Every task you complete gets you an oportunity to earn more gear. I have 3 completed and could have earned 5 if I knew these existed the day I created my character, I was focused on getting to 50. (PVP) - is not an option and I DO NOT LIKE PVP in any game cause especially in pay to win games. (GUILD) - Found one of those to join and guild contracts are locked to anyone but leaders so that is out. (Dungeon) - requires you to spend the dimensional coins so I got 2 of 3 done could have 3 done but dont have a full week playing. (WORLD) - This is the thing I want to really talk about, this is the reason I will only come to hate this game with every once of vitriol in my body. Mystic portal / Acquire globe - X25 times, There is no way in hell I will do the mystic portal. Not one fn time. Acquire Dynamic Event - X5 times, fair enough because there a few to chose from and could get them done. Complete Resistance Contract - X50 Times, ok so I completed this for the week and let me tell you how much I hate farming the same quests over and over and over like its groundhog day. Turns out this is where you get the TEARS to level weapon mastery and this is so boring. Be smart about the contracts you pick and you can just kill mobs and get them done in an afternoon if you have the points to spend on the contracts. This game seems to make it as difficult as impossible to gear, almost like they intentionally put in arbitrary restrictions to prevent the average player from being able to complete these tasks in the time frame they have to play. This is the problem with the FREE-TO-PLAY models. They really just want you to spend money. This game was too ambitious, I remember 15 years into WoW and as soon as you hit QUE for a dungeon you got a group. This game is reportedly the hottest ticket int he world for MMO right now and there are times of the day where you can not get into a dungoen and your game times out for inactivity just waiting for it. They have way too many realms and are chalked full of spanish speakers in the americas servers that dont understand mechanics of dungoens and keep causing wipes. We have not even begun talking about the END END game nonsense... Until we have that conversation we cant even talk about the END END END game content that is basically a reset of all the same shit. Remember this is an MMO and the end game content is so focused on guilds running the realms that the rest of the content is SOLO. I had no problem giving blizzard money every month for a subscription but I will be dammed if I give this game one fn penny for this shit. I had a WoW subscription for 15 years. TY FOR THE GAME, I really enjoyed leveling, everything was beautiful and played thru smooth but I am going back to playing minecraft because I just realised it will take me a year at my current pace to get anywhere in this game and you are going to be increasing the level cap 5 more levels soon so ummmm hell no. I am going to play minecraft... got an itch to create a new world...
You have to join a active guild with a good leader I'm in guild Bad Players Club and theres soo much communication between players but if your solo... yeah i understand how it can seem no one is talking
I tried it for a few hours and had little fun, just deleted my low level character, having more fun playing neverwinter right now. There are new Warhammer and Lord of the Ring MMOs in the works though.
New World was kinda ass when i played it on launch. Not sure if its better now. But the more people attacking a boss, the harder it was to get credit for the loot, so it made people be like, "ok, making a group for this, theres 30 of you that want to join, but i can only take 5 of you."
this game sucks every mmo i play its so bad i keep going back to wow and i hat ehow they ruined swtor when the new company took over they change all voice actors and change a lot of the story
Crazy part is OSRS is still up there player wise with WoW and FF14 😂. I just can’t do the graphics Black desert online spoiled me. It has amazing combat & graphics better then throne & Liberty. I liked RuneScape before BDO but it’s still one of the best games out there.
I think its just hard to make the casual gamer and the hardcore gamer coexist in the same game. P2W is great if you don't have the time to play but TL p2w isnt that bad. There's so much to do in the game you really don't have to interact with the top 5% unless its your goal to be there.
BDO isn’t actually that bad it’s more pay for convenience honestly but it is grindy whether you pay or not. You can’t pay to win everything. The concept is you can sell cosmetics for in game silver but they limit what you can sell so you progress at the same rate as a F2P. You literally can’t buy end game gear day 1 it will take you month whether you pay of not as paying your restricted to what a F2P player can grind in a week. They actually have it pretty much fairly balanced imho , p2w players help F2P players get optinal subs , pets or cosmetics while the F2P players let them skip a few hours of grind but the end game gear isn’t sellable on the CM so they will 100% have to grind it out. I think it’s probably one of the best systems I’ve seen in a MMO as far as P2W goes as your not really winning any thing your just skipping a few hours of grind but also your helping the F2P as well. It’s like mutually beneficial and not a pay for power. F2P players can buy anything but the tent (there is a f2P tent though) with in game silver off CM. Just pop a pre order and wait for it to fill. Mainly as there are something’s in the game the console hardware can’t handle atleast with current gen. So there’s more stuff available on PC mainly when it comes to PvP.
Throne and Liberty does suck, but there have been TONS of objectively great games that have come out in the last decade. If a Call of Duty game is the last thing to get you hyped thats an issue with your taste in games
I don't know what your saying here, at the first of the game you can't really chat until level 20 then the world chat and everything else allows you to chat. You can go to Say witch anyone in the proximity see your chat window pop up above your toon but most people aren't going to see that. After Level 20 then you start to see people chat more. Plus most people are already at level 50 so there not going to hear form them as much. I don't use proximity Voice either because when you here someone else talking and your in the middle of a Cinematic view and the character is speaking you can't here them they get dubbed out for some reason. Now you can turn it off so you cant here other players. But still there are players chatting most are on Discord too. But most of these games MMO's have toxic players in them that just bother the hell out of me that's what tics me off but you deal with it and move on.
I can't stand the movement and combat. The movement felt a bit like new world and I hated that also. The map is incredibly hard to read and questing is boring
well dungeons queues are empty right now. You need to post a recruitment ad, they are very strict due to people not knowing the mechanics therefore they accept people with knowledge.
I try typing in the chat man in the game.. but the chat is pretty bad.. filters.. auto correcting... I was spoiled by new worlds chat, is the best chat I've ever seen in a game... Why can't people do this?(in terms of the chat functionality, and design that is) But ya no one is typing in this game maybe because of that, its painful as fuck to use. Also there is a lot of microstuters in this game its annoying to do ANYTHING UI RELATED.
its crazy that its dead in Korea because its deff geared towards their audience but a game their dead doesent mean here alot of games did bad there and blown up here honestly ive went back to eso lately n ive been having a blast compared to other stuff out right now it has by far the best community which goes along way its not for every1... a 10 / 10 is crazy lol
The Free to play is inflating the SteamCharts making this game look like a huge success but when you play it its just another P2W Grinding game. Plus all the Women ingame are ugly lol.
Thrones a good game but it definitely has some issues it needs fixed. If they don’t fix them game will die. Especially with the PvP and Dungeons. The combat feels like butt on controller as well.
Where to start 😅 I agree with a lot of what you're saying, especially the soulless part, but I dunno whether it has to do with the game itself or if it has to do with us.. since for me most mmos have really with age become more soulless, they are simply not created with art in mind, I really don't think you can use the point of departure of making a revenue, as much as what the game-industry does, and get something that reflects a soul on the other end.
If you are a pvp player i don't think u have really given it a chance, u have to join a guild and dedicate time to that guild for pvp, u also have to be on the right server as well, i am just thinking about it at the moment, i don't think the p2w is that bad as i've seen a lot worse infract i'd say its pretty minor it depends on ur choices. Am i enjoying it i'd say yes and i've not even touched the pvp yet that will be the real test for me.
Honestly it’s ok to hate it if you hate it. But I like it so far and I’m in a good guild. And even if the game is Souless it’s kinda whatever. I’m not here to play forever just to enjoy the time. I play. But I have a ps5 and I’m poor so this is all I got for mmo rn
The game is like if Guild Wars 2 was created by someone with nothing to prove and nothing to say. NCSoft owns Guild Wars 2 and the developer, ArenaNet. They've caused no end of problems at ArenaNet because they just don't understand what makes a good MMO, and I don't think they ever will.
(Spoilers) Agreed. Has the graphics but it is too restrictive gameplaywise. Nothing locks me into the story and hate the annoying npc characters. The hotkeying and menus for the skills/ settings etc. are confusing. Don't like the animal transformation thing. Hate the class system, dungeons and pay to win to boot!😢
Marvel hero Omega was the answer but they cancelled because of licensing rights....I myself am going back to solo / co op games at most. MMOs community is awful. (Especially free games) Inexperienced and just bad gaming in general.
Appreciate the genuine feedback, but almost didn’t sub cause when people have “Crypto” in their name they tend to be scammers. Not sure what other content you have yet but hoping that’s not the case 😂
The p2w aint even worth it unless you spend at least $1500 Then you still get owned by your "class" opposite. This game is very rock,paper,scissors. You wont even feel the sting from a p2w player in large scale pvp. And you will barely run into that player in small scale pvp. Unfortunately I didn't resonate with it after 50 hrs on the KR servers and about 30hrs on NA.
Dude is such a liar. Boo hoo, I get kicked so they can hog the loot. No, you got kicked because the last boss is hard and you have to do mechanics. Loot chance is the same no matter how many people you have. It's self loot.
PVP is pay to win. PVE is boring after a while your just button smashing for loot you probably can’t even afford to upgrade. I realised after level 50 this game is just a gambling simulator. If you’ve invested at least 50 dollars in this game your probably a discord mod and haven’t showered in 2 weeks
There's many reasons why a lot of people didnt try/play this game. Lost Ark Amazon Also I would disagree, even on max graphics the game looks average to me, I preferred new world a lot more.
I stopped playing a few days ago, just to many bugs and lame translation to English. I did the same w/Linage by NCsoft. To many road blocks to getting anything. Typical Koran junk MMO.
My gear score is at 3.7k now without spending any pennies 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 it seems like you have skill issues. Quit yapping about p2w you just don’t know how to play the game😂😂😂😂😂
Korean MMOs - Start as a capcom streetfighter at level 1 and jumble everything in Anime together to create the atmosphere. Western MMOs - You're a weak nobody with a couple skills at level 1 and the atmosphere stays within the theme genre... until around the 4th expansion. I prefer Western MMOs. MMORPGs as a whole need to evolve and get rid of the compartmentalized region style 'quests' that don't feel like quests. A quest should feel epic, not a tedious chore. Too many games are replicating games that we already have... hopefully Ashes of Creation pulls through.
Pay to progress, and pay2win is the exact same thing. IF you can pay to get something faster than your average Joe the goal is to get there quicker than you. It makes it so that the item or thing that you were working towards means little to nothing. If I can buy something that takes days to achieve it makes my progress pointless. There is no sense of achievement. That's what makes it "soulless"
@@perilousintent2936 Sure, it might ruin the game and make it soulless, i can agree on that. But it is not pay to win.. If some dad don't want to invest 20+ hours because he only plays 1 hour few nights a weak, that does not give him and advantage against someone that put in the time. Pay to win is and advantage locked behind a paywall..
F2P can eventually catch up to P2W players unlike other MMOs. If you swiped and reached top 25 or so, enjoy it while it lasts, because F2P can catch up in 2-3 weeks depending on how much you swiped. If you feel it's soulless, maybe you're in a wrong guild. Find a friendly and casual guild you'll be surprised how nice people are.
You are wrong in so many levels that I seriously can't bother argue with you about it, I doubt that you gave the game enough time in order to see everything it has to offer & I also doubt that you experienced how it is to play with a good competitive guild that goes in open world raids, doing guild raids, compete for Boonstones & Riftstones, & actually do stuff together as a team supporting each other & helping to win stuff for your guild & spread it's name & make history on your server, if you actually dedicate the time to do all that stuff you would never made that video saying all that.
I like the game 🤷 my server has opposing large guilds so the pvp is fun, the raids are cool, it's not ptw if you play with your guild for drops either.
Throne js just as pay2win as Lost Ark , these titles are doomed in the west. It's impossible to get good traits on purple gear without buying lucent , drops are super low. Biggest dissapointment since Lost Ark.
Bro no it’s not. I’m completely free to play and my combat power is 2750 and my friend is free to play and is at 3000. Just sell traits. It’s simple
i am completely f2p w/3.2k gs and 200 hours played. in a top 5 guild and having great fun for FREE
Yea I'm sorry but you don't understand how to play the game if this is your take. You can sell stuff on the auction house for lucent and then buy whatever you need plus there's multiple ways to get what you need.
Unless your in one of the top guilds this is exactly how it feels, you need a super active guild with fair loot distribution or your not gonna have a good time. Also the AH prices many took advantage during EA and at the start now even purples are as low as 10/20 lucent and not even worth extracting traits for a large majority. To add as well you have to get lucky in great success crafting to even be able to sell a piece of gear as that’s the only way outside of a guild or maybe a litho is it can be litho as not everything can.
Having an active guild that will help you run dungeons and also runs Guild bosses and has fair loot distribution can help allot though. Problem is that many top guilds want you to play as job.
I loved the story chapters.. but after I became level 50, the game now feels like a "souless" farm grind hack n slash rpg.
Big same. Throne and Liberty is incredibly disappointing. Souless is EXACTLY how I described it.
It's soulless because there's no sense of achievement. Since you can buy your way to gear it makes the people who have to work for it have no sense of accomplishments. That's the feeling you get when it feels pointless. "If i can just buy purple gear why don't I just do it? It's a lot faster that way"
Point of the auction house is to improve your item acquisition by a hundred fold, the drop rates in this game is abysmally low you need other players to get items for you and in exchange you sell stuff that might be useful to them. The way they designed this game is to use the auction house to your advantage, they literally give you the means to earn money from the gear drops. You dont even nees to pay as long as you play the game.
@@renzeldavid4568no way you typed this and said to yourself what I said made sense just because you don’t have to spend money doesn’t mean the next person won’t you can grind all you want but you’ll get grilled by the person who swipe their gear plus peaceful world bosses get gatekeeped by these people using eclipse games a joke just enjoy your p2w game but don’t make it seem like there isn’t any p2w here own up to it aleast or you can keep coping choice is yours
Thanks for be HONEST man. Just unscripted and REAL. You hit all the nails on them heads. Big ups ✌👍
Remember you pay money for something you don't own !
so you do for cinema, concerts, theater....
You mean not having a physical copy of the game?
@@Cetun79 And nookie
@@Cetun79 You buy the tickets. Which is physical lol
@@perilousintent2936 haha :) okay then you can just print your recipe too^^
it doesn't have gnomes, -9 points.
Omfg seriously? Ugh
Let’s get it bro 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Black ops 2 was the last game I went hard at Lol
I'm right near level 50, almost done the main story quest. I'm curious if I'm gonna arrive at the same conclusion as you after grinding the endgame loop for a couple weeks
What story?
After hitting level 35, and running 4 - 5 dungeons, running out of dungeon energy, and realizing you can't grind when you want you need to conform to their system to gear up, which can be significantly sped up with p2w mechanics
I came to the conclusion at level 35 that this games gameplay loop is disgusting
The only people that will continue to play this game are those that play reaaaaally casually, or spend a shit load of money to level skills and gear
Hated it immediatly. Wasnt anything I was playing after following the hype. Im enjoying the first decendants still though.
@@sirmarshall9521 i listen intently to all the story didn't rush levelling but hell must of glazed over cause i couldn't for the life of me tell u wat it was all about.
I don't regret playing it, I haven't spent a cent and have been entertained for over 50 hours so far.
that doesn't say much though.,
@@ofensatul 50 hours of entertainment for not spending a cent is a pretty good ROI. I did get bored at end game, but I don't care it didn't cost me anything.
I deleted every pay to win game on PlayStation 5
Fr.was the point of playing if game ain’t fair the p2w memo I think is mostly used in “cod” and I just get tired of playing it it’s just so unfair
Bro literally you pay for your scammy ass cell service and over priced food and you dont play a game because it's pay to win. You a are paying to win by having air conditioning others can't afford somewhere. Quit all the brainless yappin
They fixed the dungeon kick thing. The guild dominance thing is being monitored and theyre fixing some aspects of it too. I can guarantee that you wouldnt be top 25 just by swiping for gear. Its pay to win in a sense that if you want to have a boost to your progression or if you want tbe beat gear as early as possible but you still need to know how to play properly and what the current meta is etc. People are talking less in all games. The global chat in TL is always active and people do use voice comms every once and a while.
I have bought cosmetics, battle pass and leveling pass for free in the shop, making lucent is super easy in this game. Havent spent a dime other than early access
exactly, dude has a very bad take on it and its been on global for bout 2wks max lol
Dude probably has every fortnite skin and complains about this game
@@sik14eva the game is dead
You can't craft you own items like Lineage2, you have to buy litographs from AH (p2w). You are struck in this dungeons repeating the same boss mechanics over and over like a robot, hoping for that lucky drop. Than you go to open world dung and they are tiny and crowded. Contracts are repetitive af. PvP requires 70 ppl online at same time and well geared, all small scale pvp is worthless and not rewarding. It's a painful game to play that stresses you out like the worst ungrateful full time job, hoping you swipe your credit card to relieve the pain.
Also the lack of classes and builds. No bgs like in wow, guild only content wtf, stupid open dungeons u can’t do without a party, many bugs, clunky combat, item grades and traits (p2w too). I’d rather spend 15 bucks on wow monthly and I’ll play without hurry cuz there’s no gated content, no stupid items grades, no p2w etc etc
I wanted to like the game, but damn, it feels like playing a gacha, RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG.
This game feels like working in a coal mine, if the coal mine was full bugs.
I got about 100 hrs of entertainment out of it. Gearing, auction house, no buildcrafting kills it after you reach that wall.
Theres a whole site for buildcrafting 😂
What a dent head take
@@AmbitiousPanda When you play longer you will see what I mean. Game is sadly shallow.
The loot in dungeons everyone gets their own loot. They did fix that where ppl can’t kick you once the boss starts thankfully but they still need to do more cause ppl are still abusing the kick system in other ways kicking ppl before it even starts now.
people already running macros and scripts to doge shit and literally playing the game for themselves
elder scrolls online was great remember that time they actually balanced the pvpf then they broke it again i left when spell crafting was about to launch like wtf weere they thinking the game is already super unbalanced why break it even more solo pvp barely exist s now is not a thing no more they ruined it for solo players and ive had emperoroship multiple times but once they ruin solo pvp to force you to play in groups i dipped that ruined the game for me
PPL are hungry for a new good MMO thats why so many of them protecting this shit. I agree this game is soulless. I dont like the wierd combat, the laggy movement (just try to jump on textures...) It is hard to explain what is my problem but i always feels like something is off with this game, even whiteout considering the pay2win part. This game is feels like a PC ported mobile game. I dont have problem with micro transactions in f2play games, when they know how to balance it to not be too much, but this game is made to be pay2win, and its clear that their first goal is to milk everyone.
This game won’t survive on just Hardcore Players and Casual Players keep the game alive. Balance is Key.
I played ArcheAge a while back , where graphics were good, combat was ok and you could own property and farm land. All of that was cool but got repetitive really quiick. And the most powerful card was "the credit card". The upgrade path for gear was ridiculously based on luck. You either get really lucky to upgrade your piece or it gets destroyed (and you have to do this many times in a row without failing to get the best gear). I left that game the moment i noticed how that works and what chances are of succeeding. Funny thing is the servers were taken down after cash cow stopped bringing revenue. A true example of PW2 no soul game.
I am only a few hours into Throne and Liberty and like the levels of customisation available (only lvl 20 though so far) and so far I have not seen ArcheAge level of gambling in it. But yeah its probably soulless most games will be. But the story kept my attention so far even though it wasn't anything phenomenal so far its been made ok.
Also GJ on the 4090 I am still stuck on a 2013 graphics card and ... the game still runs at 40-75 fps :D. Unbelievable. I dont think being top dog in a game like this is a realistic or even reasonable objective. Derping around looking at the world and weapons armor / combat animations is ok though.
PVP is also limited in certain areas as far as I know so not forced on anyone (unlike previous NCsoft games like Lineage 2 where you get killed by enemy for the farm spot and drop parts of your gear on death).
Also "game is dead in Korea" is not transferrable to the West / EU cause the game is not the same , its been adapted to the culture of our regions. I do believe the Korean version is probably more difficult in terms of getting upgrades/gear and there less "free benefits" for the F2P players than what we have. I suspect even the P2W element may be subdued for the west/eU release. I may be talking without enough knowledge but thats my feeling about it.
I stop playing after 2 weeks.
People are comparing it to a mobile type game
And they are right xD. This game is 100% a pc ported mobile game. Maybe autoplay were removed but the movement and combat still sucks thanks to the early plans.
Well said, even if the shiny are there but the clearly copy pasted characters from other fantasy games/lore mixed up makes it very weird. Like someone had to finish the game for a deadlines and was no artistic /gameplay supervision.
its not the grinding for gear that pisses me off, its the restrictions on grinding. I hit lvl 50 and hit that wall and I was certain I was missing something cause I couldnt grind for a blu set right away to get my gear level to 1600.
The people who make this game dont play this game, they need to remember, I woke up one day early and started playing this game and before I went to bed I was level 50. I knew nothing about the game except that I wanted a bow xbow build. that is my jam.
When I hit 50 I had a mix of one grey, one blue, and the rest was green gear. Remember I knew nothing about the game and was just grinding to 50 as fast as I could to start the dungeons to gear to 1600.
I ran the main storyline quests and got stalled twice needing to pick up some of the other quests to gain a couple levels to qualify for the next story quest. I typically just did all the quests in the zone I was currently in to gain that level. no problem, props to this game for making questing so simple to understand. just press N on your keyboard and it pulls up those quests without ever needing to find an npc to begin them.
So when I got to 50 I learned that gear from dungeons is dropped in a chest at the final boss. The loot can only be obtained by spending dimensional contract tokens and you ear 900 a day capping after 7 days. So that means you can only run 3 dungeons a day for gear. With 28 possible loot drops from each dungeons it was clear to me there has to be another way to gear cause this will take forever.
Weekly missions, These are reset weekly and there is 4 categories. This is where you complete the tasks and earn gear weekly and they are random just like dungeons. Every task you complete gets you an oportunity to earn more gear. I have 3 completed and could have earned 5 if I knew these existed the day I created my character, I was focused on getting to 50.
(PVP) - is not an option and I DO NOT LIKE PVP in any game cause especially in pay to win games.
(GUILD) - Found one of those to join and guild contracts are locked to anyone but leaders so that is out.
(Dungeon) - requires you to spend the dimensional coins so I got 2 of 3 done could have 3 done but dont have a full week playing.
(WORLD) - This is the thing I want to really talk about, this is the reason I will only come to hate this game with every once of vitriol in my body.
Mystic portal / Acquire globe - X25 times, There is no way in hell I will do the mystic portal. Not one fn time.
Acquire Dynamic Event - X5 times, fair enough because there a few to chose from and could get them done.
Complete Resistance Contract - X50 Times, ok so I completed this for the week and let me tell you how much I hate farming the same quests over and over and over like its groundhog day. Turns out this is where you get the TEARS to level weapon mastery and this is so boring. Be smart about the contracts you pick and you can just kill mobs and get them done in an afternoon if you have the points to spend on the contracts.
This game seems to make it as difficult as impossible to gear, almost like they intentionally put in arbitrary restrictions to prevent the average player from being able to complete these tasks in the time frame they have to play. This is the problem with the FREE-TO-PLAY models. They really just want you to spend money.
This game was too ambitious, I remember 15 years into WoW and as soon as you hit QUE for a dungeon you got a group. This game is reportedly the hottest ticket int he world for MMO right now and there are times of the day where you can not get into a dungoen and your game times out for inactivity just waiting for it. They have way too many realms and are chalked full of spanish speakers in the americas servers that dont understand mechanics of dungoens and keep causing wipes.
We have not even begun talking about the END END game nonsense... Until we have that conversation we cant even talk about the END END END game content that is basically a reset of all the same shit.
Remember this is an MMO and the end game content is so focused on guilds running the realms that the rest of the content is SOLO. I had no problem giving blizzard money every month for a subscription but I will be dammed if I give this game one fn penny for this shit. I had a WoW subscription for 15 years.
TY FOR THE GAME, I really enjoyed leveling, everything was beautiful and played thru smooth but I am going back to playing minecraft because I just realised it will take me a year at my current pace to get anywhere in this game and you are going to be increasing the level cap 5 more levels soon so ummmm hell no.
I am going to play minecraft... got an itch to create a new world...
Nicely said bro!
You have to join a active guild with a good leader I'm in guild Bad Players Club and theres soo much communication between players but if your solo... yeah i understand how it can seem no one is talking
I tried it for a few hours and had little fun, just deleted my low level character, having more fun playing neverwinter right now. There are new Warhammer and Lord of the Ring MMOs in the works though.
New World was kinda ass when i played it on launch. Not sure if its better now. But the more people attacking a boss, the harder it was to get credit for the loot, so it made people be like, "ok, making a group for this, theres 30 of you that want to join, but i can only take 5 of you."
this game sucks every mmo i play its so bad i keep going back to wow and i hat ehow they ruined swtor when the new company took over they change all voice actors and change a lot of the story
ITs an eyecandy game, but once i knew pay2win was involved, i didn't bother wasting no more then 15mins.
Thank you for being honest. Much appreciated
Crazy part is OSRS is still up there player wise with WoW and FF14 😂. I just can’t do the graphics Black desert online spoiled me. It has amazing combat & graphics better then throne & Liberty. I liked RuneScape before BDO but it’s still one of the best games out there.
I think its just hard to make the casual gamer and the hardcore gamer coexist in the same game. P2W is great if you don't have the time to play but TL p2w isnt that bad. There's so much to do in the game you really don't have to interact with the top 5% unless its your goal to be there.
Its a single player in a MMO setting
Yooo mark trg playing gw2. More mellow game and no pay to win
BDO isn’t actually that bad it’s more pay for convenience honestly but it is grindy whether you pay or not. You can’t pay to win everything. The concept is you can sell cosmetics for in game silver but they limit what you can sell so you progress at the same rate as a F2P. You literally can’t buy end game gear day 1 it will take you month whether you pay of not as paying your restricted to what a F2P player can grind in a week. They actually have it pretty much fairly balanced imho , p2w players help F2P players get optinal subs , pets or cosmetics while the F2P players let them skip a few hours of grind but the end game gear isn’t sellable on the CM so they will 100% have to grind it out. I think it’s probably one of the best systems I’ve seen in a MMO as far as P2W goes as your not really winning any thing your just skipping a few hours of grind but also your helping the F2P as well. It’s like mutually beneficial and not a pay for power. F2P players can buy anything but the tent (there is a f2P tent though) with in game silver off CM. Just pop a pre order and wait for it to fill. Mainly as there are something’s in the game the console hardware can’t handle atleast with current gen. So there’s more stuff available on PC mainly when it comes to PvP.
FYI you can use controller on PC
the thing is mmo is i kill game and get cool drop. I kill player and get.....nothing
I love P2W games I bought queen staff and omg pvp pve is so easy ….but to each their own
Throne and Liberty does suck, but there have been TONS of objectively great games that have come out in the last decade. If a Call of Duty game is the last thing to get you hyped thats an issue with your taste in games
Well I can explain the typing part. It’s almost like a code to just type on the keyboard lol
Will you be trying Pantheon rise of the fallen? its going into EA soon.
Haven’t heard of it ima check it out
The game has skills that are not even working properly since day 1 up until now and a bunch of other issues.
I don't know what your saying here, at the first of the game you can't really chat until level 20 then the world chat and everything else allows you to chat. You can go to Say witch anyone in the proximity see your chat window pop up above your toon but most people aren't going to see that. After Level 20 then you start to see people chat more. Plus most people are already at level 50 so there not going to hear form them as much. I don't use proximity Voice either because when you here someone else talking and your in the middle of a Cinematic view and the character is speaking you can't here them they get dubbed out for some reason. Now you can turn it off so you cant here other players. But still there are players chatting most are on Discord too. But most of these games MMO's have toxic players in them that just bother the hell out of me that's what tics me off but you deal with it and move on.
Man called it a god sword
I can't stand the movement and combat. The movement felt a bit like new world and I hated that also. The map is incredibly hard to read and questing is boring
When i saw the auction house was only real money and dungeon queues took forever i was out
WHAT. U can't sell ur shit?
well dungeons queues are empty right now. You need to post a recruitment ad, they are very strict due to people not knowing the mechanics therefore they accept people with knowledge.
Party board exists and is instant u dent head
I try typing in the chat man in the game.. but the chat is pretty bad.. filters.. auto correcting... I was spoiled by new worlds chat, is the best chat I've ever seen in a game... Why can't people do this?(in terms of the chat functionality, and design that is) But ya no one is typing in this game maybe because of that, its painful as fuck to use. Also there is a lot of microstuters in this game its annoying to do ANYTHING UI RELATED.
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its crazy that its dead in Korea because its deff geared towards their audience but a game their dead doesent mean here alot of games did bad there and blown up here honestly ive went back to eso lately n ive been having a blast compared to other stuff out right now it has by far the best community which goes along way its not for every1... a 10 / 10 is crazy lol
Once HUman is awesome...
The Free to play is inflating the SteamCharts making this game look like a huge success but when you play it its just another P2W Grinding game. Plus all the Women ingame are ugly lol.
Welcome to 2024 and curb your addiction
Thrones a good game but it definitely has some issues it needs fixed. If they don’t fix them game will die. Especially with the PvP and Dungeons. The combat feels like butt on controller as well.
I'm surprise you have a 4090. I pray God bless me so I can improve more in my work ❤
Where to start 😅
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, especially the soulless part, but I dunno whether it has to do with the game itself or if it has to do with us.. since for me most mmos have really with age become more soulless, they are simply not created with art in mind, I really don't think you can use the point of departure of making a revenue, as much as what the game-industry does, and get something that reflects a soul on the other end.
I went back to final fantasy 14 and wow I'd rather pay the 15 bucks I gave it a shot 😂
My brain rot stoner friends love this game, cuz it's perfect for stagnant complacent individuals.
Only mmo (looter shooter) I thought that was perfect was destiny 1
you are 100%..I have uninstalled, idk Korean games...
If you are a pvp player i don't think u have really given it a chance, u have to join a guild and dedicate time to that guild for pvp, u also have to be on the right server as well, i am just thinking about it at the moment, i don't think the p2w is that bad as i've seen a lot worse infract i'd say its pretty minor it depends on ur choices. Am i enjoying it i'd say yes and i've not even touched the pvp yet that will be the real test for me.
The p2w is not even that bad, u can make a ton of lucent selling off items u get. Not like u have to use your card to get items
feels like an ai mmo game
Sparking zero is fun
They update the game
Runescape is never cool and fun, just pure nostalgia farts
yeah hate those people talking about shitty old graphics game, it's just being attached to old crap
Honestly it’s ok to hate it if you hate it. But I like it so far and I’m in a good guild. And even if the game is Souless it’s kinda whatever. I’m not here to play forever just to enjoy the time. I play. But I have a ps5 and I’m poor so this is all I got for mmo rn
The game is like if Guild Wars 2 was created by someone with nothing to prove and nothing to say. NCSoft owns Guild Wars 2 and the developer, ArenaNet. They've caused no end of problems at ArenaNet because they just don't understand what makes a good MMO, and I don't think they ever will.
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Agreed. Has the graphics but it is too restrictive gameplaywise. Nothing locks me into the story and hate the annoying npc characters. The hotkeying and menus for the skills/ settings etc. are confusing. Don't like the animal transformation thing. Hate the class system, dungeons and pay to win to boot!😢
Marvel hero Omega was the answer but they cancelled because of licensing rights....I myself am going back to solo / co op games at most. MMOs community is awful. (Especially free games) Inexperienced and just bad gaming in general.
Appreciate the genuine feedback, but almost didn’t sub cause when people have “Crypto” in their name they tend to be scammers. Not sure what other content you have yet but hoping that’s not the case 😂
Not saying the game is trash? You literally say it sucks in your title 😃!
Have you try warframe
Yeah but no PvP so got bored
The p2w aint even worth it unless you spend at least $1500 Then you still get owned by your "class" opposite. This game is very rock,paper,scissors. You wont even feel the sting from a p2w player in large scale pvp. And you will barely run into that player in small scale pvp. Unfortunately I didn't resonate with it after 50 hrs on the KR servers and about 30hrs on NA.
The game is soooo bad. Super pay to win, and it limits your progress the entire way
How? I got to level 50 and never felt limited.
@@australienski6687only 3 Dungeons a Day with loot...
Nothing more to say
Too many buttons to press.
It’s not bad on controller imo
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Dude is such a liar. Boo hoo, I get kicked so they can hog the loot. No, you got kicked because the last boss is hard and you have to do mechanics. Loot chance is the same no matter how many people you have. It's self loot.
I think the last game i was super excited for was diablo 4 man that was a let downi dont even preorder since that game
How were you excited for Diablo 4 after knowing that Diablo immortal was the last game blizzard made? Are you just a very slow learner?
PVP is pay to win. PVE is boring after a while your just button smashing for loot you probably can’t even afford to upgrade. I realised after level 50 this game is just a gambling simulator. If you’ve invested at least 50 dollars in this game your probably a discord mod and haven’t showered in 2 weeks
i deleted this game 30 mins in. the combat was bad at the start i wont play it.
@@sensibility1174didn't like it from the start. usually these types of games pull me in but not this one
u cant grind shitt in this game u kill world boss u have -0% chances of getting shitt
yup
Mmos are still the worst genre to get into right now. There is hope but it wont be for a little while. The few solid ones are very old.
There's many reasons why a lot of people didnt try/play this game.
Lost Ark
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Also I would disagree, even on max graphics the game looks average to me, I preferred new world a lot more.
I could never get into lost ark, to me it looked and felt like a cheap mobile game, was a feeling I couldn't shake off.
Bdo graphics is bad? Play it on your 4090 then tell me its bad. You can say its dead tho because of the devs. But graphics? Naaah
You right bro TnL is a garbage game.
i can agree on this, but i still have hope for this game.
This game died in korea.
@@ofensatul still 200k players in 24hours peak here
I stopped playing a few days ago, just to many bugs and lame translation to English. I did the same w/Linage by NCsoft. To many road blocks to getting anything. Typical Koran junk MMO.
I agree 👍
I appreciate the heads up, almost accidentally played it
You talk about praising Runescape and hate T&L for "P2W", when the former is more P2W.
These takes are naive and ignorant.
My gear score is at 3.7k now without spending any pennies 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 it seems like you have skill issues. Quit yapping about p2w you just don’t know how to play the game😂😂😂😂😂
If riot makes an mmo it have 200 dollar skins like val
Your not paying to win in black desert online and esp was great but easy
ESO
The game looks very generic like ive seen this game somewhere else
it reminds me of swords of legends online just bigger maps and even the music down in the harbour.
Play Uo Outlands. Its the only mmo game in the world that is active fun and best mmo ever made. Still thriving nad alive right now .
Korean MMOs - Start as a capcom streetfighter at level 1 and jumble everything in Anime together to create the atmosphere.
Western MMOs - You're a weak nobody with a couple skills at level 1 and the atmosphere stays within the theme genre... until around the 4th expansion.
I prefer Western MMOs. MMORPGs as a whole need to evolve and get rid of the compartmentalized region style 'quests' that don't feel like quests. A quest should feel epic, not a tedious chore. Too many games are replicating games that we already have... hopefully Ashes of Creation pulls through.
pay to win means. content(non cosmetic) behind a paywall..
p2w is not that you can get an item faster.
Pay to progress, and pay2win is the exact same thing. IF you can pay to get something faster than your average Joe the goal is to get there quicker than you. It makes it so that the item or thing that you were working towards means little to nothing. If I can buy something that takes days to achieve it makes my progress pointless. There is no sense of achievement. That's what makes it "soulless"
@@perilousintent2936 Sure, it might ruin the game and make it soulless, i can agree on that.
But it is not pay to win.. If some dad don't want to invest 20+ hours because he only plays 1 hour few nights a weak, that does not give him and advantage against someone that put in the time. Pay to win is and advantage locked behind a paywall..
@@ONormanOlol this Logic.
So IS is Not A lqaida both are terrorist...
Its just a mobile game, agree on everything, lets give aeternum 1 last chance
F2P can eventually catch up to P2W players unlike other MMOs. If you swiped and reached top 25 or so, enjoy it while it lasts, because F2P can catch up in 2-3 weeks depending on how much you swiped. If you feel it's soulless, maybe you're in a wrong guild. Find a friendly and casual guild you'll be surprised how nice people are.
You are wrong in so many levels that I seriously can't bother argue with you about it, I doubt that you gave the game enough time in order to see everything it has to offer & I also doubt that you experienced how it is to play with a good competitive guild that goes in open world raids, doing guild raids, compete for Boonstones & Riftstones, & actually do stuff together as a team supporting each other & helping to win stuff for your guild & spread it's name & make history on your server, if you actually dedicate the time to do all that stuff you would never made that video saying all that.
I like the game 🤷 my server has opposing large guilds so the pvp is fun, the raids are cool, it's not ptw if you play with your guild for drops either.
He also said nobody talks, that's dead wrong, chat doesn't shut upp
@@Raintu my server is dead silent as well, i am thinking of moving to an English server, i think it might be more Spanish.