FSU AD Says Realignment Is Not Finished & There’s More to Come | ACC | Conference Realignment
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- Paul Catalina and Craig Smoak discuss their thoughts on the comments from the FSU athletic Director Michael Alford about the future of the program, their thoughts on what this could mean for the ACC, are the Seminoles locked in the ACC Grant of Rights, and more.
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It's more realistic FSU leaves than this goes on for 10 years.
ESPN has an opt-out early next yr. That shouldn't have gone wholly unmentioned as a possible outcome - regardless of its unlikelihood.
Please more conference realignment!!!
They will go to B1G not SEC that's FSU Future
Doubtful. ESPN is not going to just sit back and let one of their biggest assets and biggest TV viewership ratings go to the Big 10 without one major fight. The Noles will be SEC bound...watch and see.
@@tedharris8244 . wishful thinking. The SEC is NOT taking FSU. Get over it!
@@malcolmjones27 dream on
The B1G generates more revenue then the SEC for sports AND academics because they negotiated a superior TV contract and they have a monopoly over the AAU. So if FSU wants superior financial security then they will head to the B1G.
@@malcolmjones27 and who cares Fsu to the Big 10 with games like Michigan and Ohio State coming to the state of Florida to play Fsu
E$PN already passed on extending the current ACC media deal. 2036 is an option E$PN has chosen not to take, though the option is still open. Please stop overstating this fact.
This isn’t true
ESPN will opt in. Why would they allow FSU, Clemson and UNC become Free Agents in 2027? They wouldn’t. ESPN is trying to work w ACC to create more $ but they are not opting out.
Very unlikely. The ACC is clearly acting with a net.
The ACC would not have added CAL+2 without ESPN approval/assurances and CAL+2 wouldn't have joined without same.
@@becks89ESPN knows the ACC is not going to keep FSU or Clemson. The only way they keep the ACC is as a basketball conference and that’s it. These guys do not know the legal cases at all and everyone knows ESPN and ACC DO NOT want discovery to take place publicly because of the optics will be horrible. Network damaging horrible and they all know it. Add ACC is fighting multiple lawsuits and likely more coming is the writing on the wall. ESPN isn’t going to save the ACC with the biggest brands being there.
where can i watch/listen to the kannel/dvorcheck interview theyre talking about here
FSU isn’t fighting to leave and play in a conference with Cincinnati. The big 12 is the new AAC. I see the pac 12 schools going back out west eventually.
What’s funny is that Cincinnati was able to make the playoffs while being in the AAC.
Surely Florida State could make the playoffs in a subpar conference!
The Pac 12 gone and never returning. This Conference Consolidation (not realignment) when finished will be permanent.
Agreed, but a Hail Mary is an all or B1G play.
@@jongrove1490| the b12 is the new AAC
@@jongrove1490 Now Cincy is in a glorified G-8 Conference and they no longer have a Coach Fickell or all those NFL players that were drafted. The Big12 keeps falling farther behind by the day and soon they won't be able to compete against the P2 financially or talent wise, after the House Settlement.
Speaking for all of Seminole Nation...we hate Disney, we hate ESPN, we hate the SEC, we hate College Gameday, we hate the college playoff committee. We want to be in the B1G. It will happen, no matter what anyone says or thinks. We also don't care what other fans say. We don't care! Go NOLES --------;;--->
Here is the deal though. ESPN has the rights to the CFP until the early 30's and has a lot of power. IMO FSU should be real careful about burning ESPN on the way out.
@@vistatiger7493 BIG12 should have the biggest gripe (other than PAC) when it comes to relationship with ESPN... but you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
As a B1G school fan - we welcome you with open arms. FSU is awesome. Iconic helmets. Great history. Academics are strong. Man i can hear that chant in my head right now after a Florida State score. Loved watching you on the 90s and recently. Would be a great addition playing B1G teams. Who would you want to bring with you if two must be added..
@@webmoore4353 not AAU strong..
Yet y'all will be big12, that's your only option
What is the point of college football now? A handful of Tier 1 schools (Michigan, Ohio State, Texas, etc.) and everyone else just exists. Really, there are only about a dozen Tier 1 schools across the country.
MICHIGAN AND TEXAS have only won about 8 unshared conference championship over last 1/4 century, so performance-wise they are really tier2. It's just they have big names, strong attendance, and a strong ancient history that make them tier1 . Otherwise they'd be with the Oregon's and Virginia Tech's
Oklahoma State is 7-3 vs Texas in their last 10 games. Since 2009 UT has 2 Big 12 championships and OSU has 1. Very similar results over the past 15 seasons.
@stevepeterson3850 True, but after Texas and Oklahoma, there's Baylor and K State with 3 chips a piece over last 25 years. And this is really the Big12's problem. No one team will have more than 3 power chips in the 2000s unless BAYLOR or K STATE win the B12 2024.
The ACC GOR; I think there will be a settlement at some point, but I think we are still a year away at the earliest. For FSU, Clemson, UNC and likely Miami this is no longer a want it is a necessity, the clock tips and the money gap grows. You do what you got to do so you don’t slowly die by a thousand paper cuts.
Yeah, ACC isnt going to settle before Feb 2025, I can tell you that much!
@@webmoore4353 Yeah, I can’t see it happening before next Summer. The only thing that changes that is if ESPN drops the contract then all bets are off.
The Florida courts will eventually tear the ACC contracts apart because they cut too many corners creating, illegally extending, and enforcing them.
Here's an idea.....no conferences!!!!
Every team for themselves. Lets see how many teams can compete, hint: it wont be many.
Thats what will happen after the NCAA is destroyed! 60 team league 4 areas of 15 top 12 to the new playoffs!
Many of them can’t compete with conferences.
Freedom of assembly is a basic human right. So that means it's illegal to prevent people from organizing conferences.
Oregon and Washington were not looking to leave prior to USC and UCLA jumping. And I think they were in fact willing to move forward with the PAC-12 provided a decent-ish deal was on offer -- but the domino was Colorado. At that point, it was clear the thing was going to crumble, so of course you look to the the B1G.
It must stick in Oregon's craw especially that inferior football programs like UCLA and USC got a full share right away, and Oregon didn't. Oregon gets better ratings than those schools, is just a bigger brand than both of them. ... but worse, frickin Indiana and their ilk get a full share.
I have to wonder if the SEC and B1G will look to cut the dead weight at some point.
Always wondered why national media never mention this. Get some off the record comments from Oregon and Washington sources. Oregon and Washington bring more value to Big 10 than most schools in the existing Big 10 year they treated like 2nd rate citizens.
Nope... W/O immediately tried to follow USC/UCLA but were then rejected. I suspect that W/O sabotaged the PAC's ability to agree to a Tier 2 offer. The PAC did reject Tier 2 offers, W/O were in self-inflicted distress, and he B1G caved and prematurely invited.
@@tarheel7406 - Of course there were conversations and vetting, you're going to keep your options open.
That doesn't mean UO and UW would have definitely jumped at an offer, had departures stopped at USC and UW, and were there at least a decent-ish TV deal. A partial share was particularly a sticking point with Oregon, especially considering additional travel expenses.
Initially UO and UW weren't offered for multiple reasons, including the B1G not wanting to be seen as having put a bullet in the PAC-12, and USC and UCLA being very much against it (in no small part a matter of USC wanting a recruiting edge vs Oregon, who regularly poaches California kids out from underneath them).
But when Colorado left, the B1G swung back to the prospect of adding Oregon and Washington, as it was _clear_ at that point that the conference was going to disintegrate. And it was clear to the B1G at that they could likely get UO and UW for a steal, as the schools had lost all leverage and were pretty well screwed.
Colorado launched Oregon and Washington to the B1G and put a nail the in the PAC-12's coffin.
I was a little offput by the comments that they would've left prior and knew significantly in advance. We have the (per public records requests) exact text messages from Jen Cohen (then Washington AD) and Ana Mari Cauce (Washington's President) as Kliavkoff was presenting the Apple deal to them on August 1st.
One exact text from Cauce was "We need to weigh against other options. But yes not what we wanted" to which Cohen follows up by saying "its not close. this is bad !" and Cauce counters with "But a quick out." At that point, she then asks Cohen to send her Karl Scholz's (Oregon's President) phone number since she didn't have it previously. We also have Cauce's immediately after texts with Taylor Randall (Utah's President) in which Randall says that the deal is "Tough to analyze, but does have upside." and she replies with "Agreed. My fear is short term.".
A few days later on August 3rd, she texts Scholz that they need to talk. She immediately follows that up by texting Santa Ono (Michigan's President) that they need to talk as well. Washington's Board of Regents meeting concludes at the end of the day. You can straight up look at it playing out live and absolutely nothing indicated they'd have any intention of moving prior to the realization that the deal was too far gone from what they wanted.
@Lucargia1 It's amazing how the oldest interstate rivalry on the west coast est.1893 Stanford/Washington (44-45-5 at the time) can be scuttled just like that?...I bet Stanford didn't even get a courtesy call before they read it in the paper.
The B12 is TOAST. They are basically a "glorified" jr college
Fsu is way more valuble to any leauge than oklahoma, which by the way fsu beat in 2022 bowl
Not really. As we have seen in the past few years, wins and losses are not the metric that is being used. Brand power is- just look at Notre Dame. FSU had their glory days in the 90s, but has not moved the needle in brand power since then. Oklahoma is one of the landmark programs of football with consistent presence on the national stage since the days when people still delivered ice by wagon. They consistently win in most sports and the football games they are in bring big ratings. I will not say FSU is not a major player in the world, but they are not on the same level as OU.
@@burlyman1645lol the ratings says otherwise. Even during the relay down years of 2017-2020, FSU was still among the top in viewership.
@@flch95 , didn't this guy just state to you that it's not just based on wins vs loses and how many people watch your team play? Brand Power is the top factor as it relates to this game. FSU's brand is not even in the top 10. Sorry, truth hurts.
@@malcolmjones27 where did I say wins and losses? I said viewership which correlates to brand power and popularity and FSU is absolutely on that tier in the top 10.
Absolutely. Oklahoma got in because their dance partner was Texas. Strong brand for sure and recent successes, but they would still be in B12 if not for Texas.
The GOR is gonna be voided because there are 10 schools who can land a home. ND NC Duke Clemson FSU NCST Pitt Louisville VA VaTech Stanford GaTech
You can easily tell you're a hater if you think miami isn't getting into the b1g over those other teams 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It is called greed by the schools and conferences.
The ACC universities need to step up & win more… win more games & more national championships …. The problem isn’t the ACC … the problems are with the lack of putting emphasis on winning more & having multiple dominant teams within the ACC … with that…. The money will eventually follow… why jump to another conference & collect support payments when the universities can band together & figure out getting the current ACC teams to be the dominant conference in college football…. Winning more & being dominant will bring the revenue needed into the ACC …. The ACC has the programs to be the most successful conference in football… just got to figure out how to win on the field…. All of the ACC AD’s need to look in the mirror & they will see why the ACC is a failing conference… winning & being dominant equals higher revenue… it’s that simple
Football Playoff Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024)
ACC: 8-4-2 (Includes 1 of 2 ND appearances)
B12: 2-1-0 (Excludes OK; includes Cincy)
B1G: 12-5-2 (Includes Oregon & Washington)
PAC: 0-0-0 (Excludes Oregon & Washington)
SEC: 17-10-6 (Includes OK & TEXAS)
BCS Runner Ups - Champs (2000 - 2014)
ACC: 4-3 (Includes VATECH, MIAMI, ND)
B12: 0-0 (Excludes NEB, OK, TX)
B1G: 5-2 (Includes NEB, USC, ORE)
PAC: 0-0 (Excludes USC, ORE)
SEC: 6-10 (Includes OK, TEX)
Well the canes are about to step up this year, don't worry.
Tired of podcasts where hosts admit they didn’t watch something and comment anyways. Whole lot of dumb takes here!
I prefer the original Big12
B1G FSU
FSU, Clemson, North Carolina and others (Virginia, Miami, NC State, Virginia Tech, etc.) will agree to an early deal with the other ACC teams to pay an exit fee of a max $100 million to leave in 2030
$100M is chump change, not gonna happen...they better dig deeper
The amount and timing of your proposal are both off. It may be closer to $180 million and by 2026.
@@heartbreak25 I don’t see Florida State and Clemson with potentially other schools paying more than double the costs that Oklahoma and Texas each paid. Also the ACC has Florida State and the other schools under contract for over a decade, they have no incentive to rush a settlement. Especially when the court cases will likely drag on for years because the ACC is going to drag it out due to them having all the power to wait.
But who knows🤷🏻♂️
If that happens the conference will implode and all that probably won’t matter.
@@adamb6370 yeah but that would take most if not all of the conference members to agree to disband the conference. Which won’t happen as we even saw with the PAC-12 because only at most 6-8 teams would get taken by other conferences leaving the rest without a media deal if they disbanded the ACC. So they will want to keep the ACC entity even if the others eventually leave and to get as much money as possible.
I'm not a UCLA fan, but their world university rankings are phenomenal. That matters to the B1G.
Not as much as it used to.
@@cacogenicist Agreed, but UCLA isn't CalTech. They have a lot of other plusses which match them well with the B1G. Humungous state university in the 2nd largest city in the largest state, known nationally, and as part of the original pre-1978 Pac they have a long history with the B1G. Among their downsides are CA doesn't have fanatical college fans and their recent history is middling. Even tOSU and Michigan have down decades where they aren't top 10 teams and they are are the tip top of the conference.
over stanford?
@@skyskyf I'm a Northwestern alumnus and I know we'd never be considered for conference membership in the present. Unless you are USC or ND you won't be getting into the B1G if you are a flagship public research university.
The only way I see Stanford getting in is if they are Notre Dame's + 1.
@@fecat93 thats kind of my entire point. they literally already denied stanford entry into the big10, so your argument doesnt hold weight. you think stanford would have chosen the ACC over the big 10 if it had gotten an invite?
The FSU AD is calling the shots.....lol....yeah right. What a dummy.
ESPN has an option on the TV deal in 2026....what y'all talking about?
They act like free education isn’t the same as money in the bank
The fans are the ones getting scammed in all this..
Sadly, Jimbo is right about the Big12, ACC, etc
Dude in the blue hat is annoying. Much better podcast without him
FSU AD knows that he will stay within the ESPN ecosystem. That means no Big 10. Case in point: Oklahoma is located in the Midwest like the Big 10 and more prestigous than FSU; but had to go from the Big 12 to the SEC because both conferences had ESPN. Finally, no way an FSU team that has an 0-1 playoff record losing to Oregon by 39 and just got thrashed by Georgia by 60 points is worth the $572 million price tag.
Those losses that were sacrificial lambs for two programs who have longer legacies. Oregon is known for jerseys and its Nike checkbook , Georgia man handled Fsu fourth string! Pray Fsu never gets the bankroll that B1G have!
@@B1GNoleWhy would any SEC school vote in FSU when they could just freeze them out, watch them whither, and poach their recruits?
@@MichaelSmith-xb5cp Because the people with the money want to give them more money for more games that they can sell. FSU won't get frozen out of anywhere.
@@xfacta334 The schools still get a vote. What sense does it make to add teams trying to steal your recruits? It doesn't, it makes much more sense to starve them of money so they can't compete. Then raid their recruiting grounds....that's the path to success. So, If you're going to add, add doormats that open up new territories.
My guy.. you wrong with ur analysis. But being wing isn't illegal
With a 12 team playoff a 4 loss Ohio state or 4 loss Michigan will not be left out. That's the beauty of the setup, it opens up all sorts of manipulation and monkey business to throw games and maximize the number of playoff spots for P2 branding. No B12 or others will see the playoffs unless they've won every single game, and even then, their schedule and starting roster will be so scrutinzed it will be a 50/50 proposition as to whether they beat out a heavily branded P2 team for that final spot....Consolidation isn't some future tense thing, it's already happened, and from here on out, any P2 school would be crazy to vote for adding any program that wasn't a proven football doormat. If you think I'm joking, just remember Wisconsin won a Power conference championship with 5 losses in 2012, taking the 3 best B1G teams into overtime. No P2 school will take in Clemson or FSU willingly without massive underhanded payments and assurances. There is simply nothing in it for them.
I don't think that would happen. A Big 12 champion and runner up would have a great chance of making the playoff. Remember, it's also what the networks want and there are not 12 championship teams that bring the eyeballs in both the BIG and SEC. That still leaves room for 1 or 2 Big 12 teams as stated. They don't need to be an unbeaten TCU team either.
@@knightu1642keep believing that. There is one other thing people overlook, SEC & B1G are eliminating divisional play, which means there gonna be years Alabama avoids LSU, Georgia, Oklahoma, Texas and Ole miss..LoL 😂 So comical, why throw a Clemson or FSU monkey wrench in there? A 4 loss Alabama or Georgia will never be left out of a 12 team playoff . Fans are morons. Disney is setting this all up to assure success for black head coaches on teams like Alabama and Georgia, and other teams that have never had one. Just look what happened at Michigan....that's the real plan. Harbaugh cheated? Oh nevermind, all is well. LoL they don't even try to hide it...
@@knightu1642 Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon, USC, Washington, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Oklahoma, and Texas…that’s 11…