Speed matching Tsunami Decoders.
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Speed matching loco's can be a real pain!!, the worm drive mechanisms in all our models, don't like being pushed, so this makes speed matching even more important to achieve smooth running consists. This is the technique I use to program my Tsunami's so loco's run smoothly together. If you are new to DCC or decoders, please watch my "Programming Tsunami Decoders for realistic operation" videos 1&2 first so you know what I'm raving on about !!
Cheers Gregg !
Gregg, great video. Excellent quote "the layout first". That's a keeper. Cheers!
Thanks very much David!. No I'm a sparky / Signal tech by trade, but I have worked with wood for a while..LOL,thanks for the compliments!, I only wish I had two good eyes sometimes when doing fine stuff?. Track is Peco code 83, with Tilig, peco and ME turnouts.Good track starts with good bench work and I don't tolerate bad track!! Remember the "6-P's"..proper prior preparation prevents piss-poor performance!!
Cheers Gregg
Good one Les!, 50 cars behind 3 locos is a good effort !Glad to be of help; I'll check out the video.
Cheers Gregg
Yes Drew, they are very nicely detailed and all the little problems appear to be fixed , the tall gearing is a bit of a concern , especially when running with better geared locos such as Kato's and Atlas, but with a bit of tweaking you can get them running nicely in a consist. I have three now so I'll see how they perform on the layout as locos on the Birdwood sub run pretty hard ...LOL
Cheers Gregg
Well done Gregg! Thanks for sharing the good tips. Glad you are enjoying your new Intermountain locos. I had the opportunity to run one at my local hobby shop. If I wasn't modeling the 1970's and 80's I would probably buy one myself.
Paul
Thanks for sharing that with us Gregg. This video is a huge help. That's a great looking consist too! If you think those Intermountain's have tall gears you should see the old Athearn Genesis'. Especially ones that are a few years old and don't have smooth drives. It's more like watching the Enterprise go into warp speed from a stand still. I think the Tsunami decoder will really be put to the test when I go and try to speed match some of the relics in my fleet.
Thanks Jon, you welcome!
Thanks Ben, your very welcome! As we've discussed before, the drive lines are prehistoric compared to other advances in the models! "Warp Speed"...LOL, I have only one Genisis, SD70mac 7 yrs old maybe, it needs a new motor(KAto!) plus the lights changed to LED's...one day..LOL. CV2 is now set at 8 and cv212 is 155. . Yes , you'll have fun with your older units but I'm sure you'll do a good job!
Cheers Gregg!!
Gregg, speed matching has got to be the most fiddly, tedious job on a Model Railroad. Like always, you nearly made that sound fun! 😝
Yes I've seen programming Tsunami one and TWO!! So much, I downloaded them, and put them on a disk for easy reference!! 👍👍😎 I'm going to give this a go.
Cheers, Carmine 🚂
Very Nice Gregg, This will be one I come back to for re-classes. Thanks for sharing, Steve
great "how to" Gregg one of these days i will adjust all my locos.. at the present time they seem to be very close but still need a bit of tweaking. thanks for sharing
vinny
Thankyou sir! I'm surprised I have any hair left..LOL,There have been many times when I ;ve thought,"this is supposed to be fun??", but in the end it's satisfying to see trains running smoothly and prototypical..
Cheers Gregg
Thanks Paul!, time will tell how they perform, but the detail is nice. I wish Proto made modern locos!
Thanks Sir! . I think I will try a MTH next???. I have been running in the Gevo for two days now and it has improved a little, still a bit rough at slow speed but I'm still tweaking settings. After about speed step 7-8, it is perfect with the Kato's..
"Smoothest Groveller" is a classic comment!. Yes we got a good deal on these...LOL
Gregg;_)
I really like you're sheds and your backyard, it just looks really cool!
Thanks ! I'm lucky to have this much space so close to the city!
Cheers Gregg
Thanks Tim!, I'll see how they go long term, the taller gearing is a bit of a concern, but time will tell, but they are very nice indeed!
Cheers Gregg:-)
Thanks Bryce! I think I'll sack him and get another one..LOL That's why I haven't done a wiring update yet...it's a friggin' mess..LOL. Once I get the upper level main line done , I'll get stuck into the wiring.
Cheers Gregg
Your very welcome Gary!, I do like the look of Bowser Locos, they seem very well detailed!.My IM Gevo spent three days running up and down the helix and round the layout, it is improving so hopefully it will continue to ?. I have now set CV2, start volts to 7, back EMF CV212 to 155 and also the BEMF cut off is now at 60 instead of 40 for the Katos, The IM was stalling on the helix but its better now. I'll do a update of it in a week or two.
And NO, you won't convert me.LOL
Glad to help!
Gregg:_)
G'daye Greg.Thanks to your tuition I am now finally able to run the dynamic trio namely the MTH SD70ace 1995 sound and two Athearn ready to roll Dash9-44cw 8701-8646 with NCE decoders.The vid I -posted features them with fifty car train in tow. I am cheerin mate.Now all I gotta do is learn how to run a camera and get a tripod.My mates phone got it up but the shakin is a worry Cheers Les
Thanks Nolan!, glad you liked it.
Cheers Gregg
@Luis Forest I have a new series "CV Shortcuts" that take you from the beginning of setting CV's. Watch that after this one:-) Thanks for watching and I'm glad you're getting good results.
Cheers Gregg.
absolutly great, Gregg ! Nice to see, you are happy with this cool buy ! Trust me, I know how "hard" the speed matching is between Kato and Intermountain. my Katos has the same worth in CV 66/95 but the Intermountain have other worths AND different worth in CV66/95. Tomorrow I set the program continues. reverence model is my very old Kato C44-Dash9 AT&SF, the smoothes groveller I have. This is a beautiful thing on my MTH Aces with tsunami installed. they runs with the same Kato setup like a Kato
Thanks Vinny,it is a time consuming task!
Cheers Gregg
Thanks mate!
Great engines Gregg! and great video!
Your welcome Matthew!!
Thanks Greg ,great as usual
Those are great engines, I have a few of them! Layout first! LOL
Great vid as usual Gregg, Bloody sparky's, getting slack with the lighting again and the wiring for the helix as well from the other video. LOL
Thankyou Sir!!
Thanks Gregg very interesting, think that bloody sparky needs sacking big time LOL
Cheers Glynn
Great video, always enjoy watching your video's and seeing your AWESOME layout1 I have two questions for you. (1) Are you a carpenter by trade? You do some fine bench work and have a very keen eye for detail. (2) Was wondering what code of track your using and brand? Everything looks so neat and clean and runs so smooth with NO derailments.
I really like Intermountain's locos, I primarily Run Athearns RTR and Genesis. But i am looking at the SP Fantasy Scheme IMRR just released (with sound of course) I have a UP Gevo
Like the one you have your layout it, it looks so unique
Thank you!
Thanks again! This totally changed the way my consist runs. Do you leave your locos running when you are away from the shed?
You're welcome! Glad you got some good results. I will leave a train running for a short time but not for too long..LOL
Thanks for watching!
Cheers Gregg
Thanks Gregg!!!
THANK YOU...for sharing.
Great information, and a great video. Thanks. What camera do you use to film? Close-ups are nice and clear! -Chris
+chrislef2002 Thanks Chris, glad you like the videos and get some tips along the way! The camera is a Sony camcorder which would be about 10 yrs old now! It did a very good job for a standard def camera , I have a Sony
HXR-NX3 now but my editing suite can't handle the new AVCHD footage very well, so a upgrade is due.
Cheers Gregg.
Great job champ!
Thank you very much Sir!. Glad you liked it.
Cheers Gregg:-)
Yes Thomas, can you tell I'm single..LOL
I have a question now when I program a three digit address my notches change on my throttle like 3 to 6 to 9 to 12 and so on but when i leave it on address 03 it runs great but when i change it to a four digit address it runs great as well so my road number is 559 but when i change by adding a one in front like 1559 it runs fine but don't really want that so how can you help me with that I also run on digatrax i know you don't have that system maybe you can help me trouble shot thanks Lee
Hi Lee, on the NCE, any new address, 3 or 4 digit is a "long" address , so you must enter the new number in the "long" address. I haven't had a problem with notches changing, but Digitrax may be different. I'm sure someone will know what is going on! Sorry I couldn't be more help mate:-(
Gregg
great video! and the slight drifting ive noticed on my locos is eliminated by the weight of the train they are pulling.
Thank you!, Yes , the weight sorts that out, but don't worry, real locos drift in and out as well, luckily they don't have worm drives so there's no stress on the drive train if they are being pushed or pulled!. The drifting ( by themselves) is a sign that they are perfectly in sync with each other! Thanks for watching.
Cheers Gregg
the real locos even push or pull eachother some too, EMD's start up faster than GE's do.
BNSFfan2373 That's true!, I've spoken to some drivers(engineers) and they say that some individual locos hate running with each other..LOL. If our locos didn't have worm drives, they would be much easier to speed match and even more fun to operate!
Gregg:-)
haha yeah. a short line railroad around where i live had s GP9 that could only run with eacher other due to air break presure beind different on them than the rest of their locos.
the worm drives are pretty good, its easy to make and maintain.
BNSFfan2373 True, worm drives are simple , but they make it very difficult to get smooth running in a consist since they can't be pushed..even a little bit! unlike real loco's that can . Proto 2000 are are step forward with their "helical" worms, but they still can't be pushed, but they are a lot smoother and a bit more forgiving!. The only thing worm drives give us is a hand brake when stationary..LOL.
Cheers Gregg
A quick question...I've adjusted a Kato SD40-2 and it runs really well upgrade but surges and jerks going downgrade. Which CV can be adjusted to smooth this out?
Hi Connie, the SD40-2's will sometimes do this if they are on their own, but not with any cars attached.This is just the slack in the gears being taken up as the loco try's to roll faster than the motor is going,if it has a few cars behind it , the cars will push the loco against the gears and you will not see it jerk. If it is new it will be more noticeable as the grease works it's way around the gears . If it is going well uphill and on the flat, then this is usually all the problem is! Hope this helps.
Cheers Gregg
Thanks for the quick reply Gregg!
It is a new model and
I don't really see any grease in the gears. Maybe a thin coating of grease might help?
Eric W.
Connie Wilcox Hi Eric, it will be fine, over greaseing is more damaging than not enough! Put a couple of cars behind it and it should be fine, it's just rolling up to the gears and "bouncing a bit.
Gregg:-)
Fantastic 👍
Thanks Plum, glad you liked it.
Cheers Gregg.
I updated my tsunami decoder as you outlined in this video. I would like to speed match it with another loco that has a tcs t1 decoder but I don't know how to match the settings. Any suggestions?
Ps I am a newbie to this,
Hi Gil, I'm afraid I don't know anything about TCS decoders, you will have to check the owners manual to see if you can adjust the min and max speeds? The trouble with these new decoders is that they have features that are not on older ones so it;s difficult to match them up if you cant turn the extras off.
Sorry I couldn't be more help.
Gregg :-(
if your dcc system is connected to a computer the easiest way to speed step is using a program called JMRI. its a free program
What do I need to connect my digitrax zepher to a computer?
There should be a socket on your base station , see the manual for what type of lead you will need, I forget the name for them but it should be no drama to get one.
Gregg :-)
Hi Gregg. I've struggled to speed-match a recent Intermountain (soundtraxx) to another IM with tsunami (supposedly same speed response). I resorted to setting every CV from 67 to 94 on both... Tweaking over and over until 'almost' the same visible speed at all 28 speed steps (before setting back to 128 steps).Next day, started them up and speed is not the same?! They have to Warm up? I've set CV 209, 210 212 to similar to you.Running them together now and they seem Fine, but I do not want to damage either one. You think they are fine?One observation: one of them slows down More on Inclines and speeds slightly more on declines... -Chris
+chrislef2002 You are becoming an expert Chris! I tried the same thing a while ago with two Katos but gave up, and thats with Katos!! The indivdual speed steps work in theory and with the IM locos I think that is the best way , but they are very inconsistent and do need to warm up! Try setting cv 210 to a value of about 10 and work up, I read an article on Tsunami from the US modellers,and their settings are identical to mine! But they played around with 210. I have great results on my Kats with CV210 at 15 , factory default is 30. Yours will be fine, remember a low bemf (212) will reduce fighting between locos and help with stress. Sounds like you are on top of it mate!!
How about a video of your IM's running??
Cheers Gregg.
+FishplateFilms Thanks for the recommendations. I'll try the 210 values tonight . and yes, I'll have to make a couple videos soon, like in the next few days!Can you clarify what 210 does as the reference guide doesn't exactly paint a great picture! For 212 my understanding is the higher the value toe more t will pull rather than give way... will that cause a slowdown on inclines?
G'day love the info I have received watching your videos! I have an Auscision AN class (Pacific National AN5) and have been recommended to install a loksound v4 21 pin MTC. Is there a Tsunami alternative?
Hi Craig, thanks for the positive comments! Glad you are getting some tips from the clips. The AN has a EMD prime mover, 16-710 g3A, so a Tsunami for a SD40-2 would be pretty close! Lok sound are great decoders with nice slow speed out of the box, but I don/t use them for two reasons. 1 - you can't adjust the notching to match other decoders so in a consist you'll have locos notching up at different times and 2, when you select dynamic brakes , the loco slows down a bit which is not what always happens and ones with other decoders will be running quicker. But apart from that they are very good but personally I'll stick with Tsunami. If you can wait , the new Tsunami2 decoders are being rolled out now with many new features!!
Cheers Gregg.
Thanks Gregg. will keep an eye out for them!! keep up the great work!
Regards Craig
GREAT VIDEO, now it's time to lose my hair!!!!
Thanks Glynn!, he's a lazy ba#$ard..LOL
so much pissing about. I have just started trying ot match a FV sd60m & Atlas B24 (?) and wew 1hr fiddling tonight and they are almost right, thank god u have HO...I have N :S
Yes, a lot of pissing about! This is because we still use worm drives which have no tolerance for speed differences, unlike real locos which use normal "spur" gears. Good luck with it, N scale is too small for me..LOL
Cheers Gregg.
I have managed to match them in steps, speed 7-10-17 seem to almost be perfect but anything between isn't haha. That will do for me atm least i can run a consist. I've just found ur channel so here goes a few hours of viewing :D great vids btw
Good to see you're having a win with it ! Don't watch too many videos in a row, you'll need therapy..LOL Glad you like the channel.
Cheers Gregg.
I'm going cuckoo! This is not easy. It is quite tedious! I'm speed matching an Intermountain ES44DC to a Walters SD70ACe. Cuckoo-Cuckoo-Cuckoo.....
Walthers is silky smooth and slow at ss-1. Not the IM. So I've increased CV2=6 on IM. Same on Walthers now. Getting close but that means I'm losing that very slow and smooth first step on the Walthers.
I guess this is a compromise that must be made??!!?? -Chris
+chrislef2002 Hi Chris, I feel your pain..LOL You could
't of picked two more different locos to speed match !! Walters Proto are the best runners out there, dare I say a tiny bit better than Kato's???????? I have 3 IM Gevos and they are all erratic in their speeds, no matter how much tweaking I do! I see you were lucky and got one of the new Aces' ! Good for you, it has Helical gearing which is a huge step in the right direction for model locos' and no other maker has stepped up to this. You will find my comment on gearing on a video review of the Walthers SD70 ace, can't remember which one but there are only a few. Try backing off the IM BEMF to about 120 , I think I have CV2 @ 6 also , but with less BEMF so it doesn't fight on the start too much. No more IM for me but I will get a Walthers ace one they are back in stock! Will you get the grab irons later? I feel they are testing the waters with this model and I hope to see more "modern "power from Proto 2000 in the future.
Good luck and may the force be with you..LOL
Cheers Gregg :-)
+FishplateFilms OK - BEMF, that would be CV212=120 (I'm loosing track!).
Walthers and Grab Irons - I wrote Walthers about them and they said it is best to find them from 3rd party specialty vendors. After reading how difficult they are to install I believe I'll wait for now.
On the SD70ACe - Very good price online from Canadian store Action Hobbies Kingsville. (They have some left if it can be other than BNSF). Like a CN... and you know I live near CN and CP mainlines and there are often BNSF and CN consist trains (very long trains).
+chrislef2002 Chris , cv 212 is correct! I think these will come out with grab irons later, I feel they are testing to see if people will try them? Unfortunately most people don't understand the effect Helical gearing has, if P2K made modern units like this one , they would be my entire fleet! Lucky you living near all that action!! Yes with the IM locos, it will be a compromise I'm afraid...no more for me!
Gregg:-)
OK, Gregg, I've coupled them together, run them, and here is the Video! : ua-cam.com/video/f49_jmbG9vA/v-deo.html
+chrislef2002 Ok Chris, I'll have a look!
Gregg.