Will the Saints Return to Missouri?
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- Опубліковано 25 гру 2024
- This video has been updated from a similarly titled 2020 video. I added some additional content and answered questions that people put in the comments, I also removed the background music and have better audio quality and new slides. So If you saw the previous video, this should be a better experience and hopefully there is something new here you will enjoy. So, let’s talk about if and when the Saints will return to Missouri. I remember as a child being told this would happen but then as I got older it seemed that the narrative in the church changed and that the Saints were not going to return to Missouri. I realized this came from people confusing the gathering that is happening today to a very different event and “gathering” that will occur in the future.
Early church members always knew and believed the final gathering would be in Missouri. Then later confusion stemmed from statements such as these (and there are a lot of them) that say to ‘Remain in your native lands”. “You will be blessed in whatever part of the world you are in” and “every nation is the gathering place for its own people”. There are even quite recent examples of apostles and prophets saying these things. And they are of course right! There is no centralized gathering RIGHT NOW, but does that mean there will be no return to Missouri prior to the 2nd coming? Have we abandoned the 10th article of faith that says Zion will be built upon the American Continent? I believe MUCH of the confusion comes from faithful members that believe that the 2nd coming is so close that a return to Missouri simply can’t be in the cards. This video goes deep into this topic.
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As one of those who feels the truth of this in their bones I greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into your research. I used to spend hours digging up information. I still do but now it feels a neverending flood of information is there just waiting to be soaked up. Thank you.
I am gathering the other side of the veil! As fast as I can. So far I have turned over 15,000 people to the temple - I figure this is the best way I can help. I am trying to lift where I stand and maybe the army I am helping to build will be part of building zion! I just can't wait till a temple is closer to where I am and open 24/7. I had the blessing of being able to participate in a session at 12 am in Los Angeles when the temple was open for a few days in a row and never closed. It was the most awake I have ever been and I can't wait for that to happen all over! Bless you all for your testimonies. Also thank you for the time and effort put into these lessons. I greatly appreciate the references as I am careful with what I listen to. God Bless
In my 58 years of LDS gospel, I feel like I have finally found the truth with these lessons, and yes I do them with an open mind and check the sources. I have also found other messages and lessons looking through these which I have found very enlightening, thank you very much for your effort.
But, my dear brothers and sisters, so many wonderful things are ahead. In coming days, we will see the greatest manifestations of the Savior’s power that the world has ever seen. Between now and the time He returns “with power and great glory,” He will bestow countless privileges, blessings, and miracles upon the faithful.
I think we will be surprised how it will all come about. For now we can be assured that all will be well for us if we let God Prevail and spend a considerable amount of time( if possible physically) in the Temple.
Thank you for this absolutely wonderful reminder! I long for His coming! I ache for so much suffering in the world! It crushes me to think we still have a while to go before He comes to wipe away all tears and remove all wickedness from the earth.
Trusting in our loving, living prophets, clinging to the Iron Rod and seeking Christ will help us hang on with joy. Please don’t delay to long Great King. 🙏🏻☀️
It might be closer that we think!
As a Temple worker I see the literal gathering of Israel every week! 🙏🏻💜🕊️👍🏻
I'm so excited every time I see a new video posted!!!
Do you watch Christian Homestead too? He posts every single day second coming content.
I'm old. 80 yo. It's a commandment to store up a 2 year supply of food in your home. So, twenty years ago I remarried (I was a widower) and my new bride taught me to can, freeze-dry, and dehydrate. We have 5 hens, 3 ducks (muscovy), 6 quail, and 10 rabbits. We have extensive raised garden beds in the back yard. We put fruit trees in the front yard. Most of what we eat we grow ourselves and its all organic and heirloom quality. Most of the expense and labor of putting in the garden and coops was up front. Since then we only put in 1 to 1-1/2 hours gardening in the cool of the morning, and it does our bodies good. Gorgeous, who is starting to have neuropothy in her feet, can do what she needs to do from a stool, and has no problem.
Here's the kicker, and the tie-in to the post. The GA, when asked about home storage, used to say that it wasn't entirely necessary yet. BUT, sometime in the last few years, either Pres Hinckley or Pres Nelson said "It's time to plant your cherry trees".
I'm sorry for your wife's neuropathy. Try out Bowenwork therapy. You're doing great in being prepared and experiencing heaven on the earth. Does it seem like you have peace of mind and joy in this life?
Thank you for this lesson! this is the first lesson I’ve heard from you,
because I just found you today thank you for what you do.
Having served a 20 month mission in Adam Ondi Ahman, I know that Christ will return there for several meetings with the saints prior to His appearance to the world as is the 2nd coming. The interesting point of Elder McConkie’s doctrine concerning this gathering is that every key holder and every covenant keeper who has lived upon the earth will be invited to the great sacrament meeting to be held there. How then do we suppose that the faithful saints of all dispensations will travel from Japan or Russia or any far flung nation to be able to participate in this place? Well I certainly do not know how it will happen, and I also know that geography has no bearing on whether the faithful saints will participate. We have technology that previous prophets knew nothing of. The point to be made is that ALL worthy saints will participate in this holy gathering regardless of their geographic location.
Your voice is perfectly pleasant Kevin!! Great video as always!!
The LDS Visitor Center is actually built according to the size of the proposed temples. During construction that was decided so that it may possibly be used as part of the temple complex.
No The Visitor Center will not be part of the Temple. I'm sure at that time there will be nothing standing not even a church or a house in that area. It will have to be cleansed before this Great temple will even start. This is the Lord's land and it is set aside for this purpose , it will not be inhabited by people at this time. After the assembly of Adam and some others with the Lord, that's when the meeting or completion of the work is done. Only Ace a small handful of the chosen ones will complete this.
Then the mighty work will begin. Then the construction will start. There will be Heavenly help and the tribes of Israel will work together. After this, everything will be organized. All temples will be open 24/7. No need to fret, the Lord's got it all organized.
No.
The things that have to happen can occur faster than we think.
And not necessarily sequentially.
And this is referring to the quickening of the spirit which is happening now and forever.
I saw that recently when several things I'd been warning my boss about for five years all happened in the same week.
I bet Nelson will announce the 24 temples when he turns 100.
@Charles Mendeley That would be AMAZING ! If I'm still here, I plan for my family , a MASSIVE Birthday celebration . Wouldn't that announcement be a WONDERFUL centerpiece to that celebration !!
All the BEST to you and _yours_ from Texas !
- Chuck .
The Saints have already been returning... for decades, with many living there and having kids who grow up and instead of moving away have felt the strong prompt to stay snd raise their families. Back in the 70s there were many who were told this in patriarchal blessings and told to do just that
They will probably live through the desolation of the land because they are both spiritually and physically ready.
Agreed. There are many saints living in the Kansas city area.
Thank you for saying this. It has already begun, and the saints being called to Missouri have some of the most amazing testimonies, and stories. My friend's husband was relocated to Independence for work and they have befriended members of the Church of Christ.
@@shanandkyleSau there are also other areas ( U.S. Mission field.. so non Wasatch front or heavy LDS areas) where people have been "called" (not by Church leaders) to live there. Usually work, or driving thru or flying over and just get prompted to live in the area. These are usually away from large population areas and away from large core LDS populations. Usually in smaller or much smaller population areas. This is locally well known in those areas but not talked about outside the area. Instances where over time about 25 to 50% have lived their all their lives while (over time) 50 to 75% were called, again not by Church leaders, to live there. The Lord is placing people and families where they need to be for the future and it's not necessarily in large LDS population areas
@Robert Gates We lived in Utah, Idaho, and in an area called San Tan Valley, Arizona where the saints are gathering. We visited members in the southeastern states that are being called away from Utah. I have a firm testimony that Israel is being gathered.
I love and appreciate your videos so much! Thank you!! 🥰
Thank you, much clearer! Appreciate the re-do 👍
"Any place where the Saints gather is Zion."
"Where we can get a [temple] built first, there is the place."
-Joseph Smith
Great video! Thanks for these wonderful videos and the effort you put into them. I am intrigued as to whether ALL righteous remaining saints (the remnant) from ALL countries will move to Missouri, or just some? Will there still be righteous saints in all nations at the time of the Second Coming?
Thank you for this video. It is what I have come to understand through my reading of the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, etc. It is curious that the Come Follow Me curriculum studiously avoided this topic during the course of study in 2021.
Great video. But a friendly question for you. What's this about, in Heber C Kimball's quote referring to Adam AND HIS ASSOCIATES (?!) who came to populate the earth. WHAT associates??? Other than Eve and their children of course....? And what was his source?
Sir... This is a Wendy's
Sounds like scripture in the book of Moses to me.
When I visited Missouri back in June, I noted that we already have two functioning temples, another temple announced, 19 stakes, and 80,000 members. I think the gathering had already started.
We moved to Missouri this year because we felt it was what we were supposed to do, I had wanted to be in Jackson County but the Lord had other plans for us and we are in southern Missouri. I can tell you that many many people are feeling prompted to move out here, it is almost a joke in our little branch that most of the people there don't know why they are there just felt like they were supposed to move there, and I'm hearing of more and more people (even from complete strangers) of those who have up and moved. The gathering is definitely happening here, the field is ripe and ready for harvest!
What about us far away from USA
@@fluidbodyhealth8169 follow the Spirit, he'll guide you to where the Lord needs you to be.
From what I understand we will be asked to go to Missouri.
@@AnaCovieo-xe1ek I used to think the same thing, but I now think that call will come more privately, to individuals and families prompted to do so by the Spirit. The Lord needs people in all sorts of places, He needs those who are willing to serve and do His work, and that will be unique to each of us depending on our talents, gifts, and abilities. As we let God prevail in our lives He will guide and direct us in beautiful ways ✨️
All I know is that the weather had better change before I move there. Humidity gone. I doubt God is telling some of you to move there and others not. Listen to the prophet.
Time has sped up considerably. The days feel like a few hours and months seem a couple weeks. It's very weird.
Same
I actually saw a friend’s patriarchal blessing that said he would help lead the Saints back to Missouri
Interesting. How old was this friend?
I appreciate the update from the older form factor and intense music lol, Love your research method and it helps me quite abit in my own scripture study. I have a question though, if the righteous remnant is specifically catalogued as remaining righteous members and specifically "among the gentiles" what does that say for those of us with lineage back to Israel himself? There are 11 more tribes aside from Judah
Sorry about the background music everyone! I thought it would make my voice more palatable. I guess not.
@@GospelLessons1 I honestly do not know who and why people have made you feel your voice is not palatable... I think you're wonderful and you're a blessing.
You did not mention the desolating scourge and sickness that shall cover the land. There are many reasons that only a remnant will remain. But looking at all of the reasons in their temporal contexts is vital and revealing.
Fantastic and worthy update to this video. Thank you 👍🏼
Can you show where it says the temple in Zion will be built before the 2nd coming?
D&C 57:1-3
Thank you for making these amazing videos! I got baptized in the true church of Jesus Christ on the earth today just over five years ago and I think I understand the milk and the meat of the gospel fairly well mostly thanks to my husband who is study for many years and been in the church for 25 years. We are both converts. We are both blessed to have an extremely strong testimony of Joseph Smith being a prophet and this being the Lord’s true and restored church today. However, my understanding is NOT even close to yours. What books do you suggest that I study so that I can improve my understanding please? I’m listening to your videos over and over again however, some of it still doesn’t make sense. I have the Holy Spirit with me to help me understand the Scriptures but I still struggle with Revalation quite a bit. I need some books that will spell things out for me a little bit more. Have you already or are you planning to write a book?
What is your opinion of D&C 124:49-51? Does this not signify that zion may or may not be in Missouri?
Is the church still under condemnation?
D&C 84:56 And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion, even all.
57 And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written
Yes we are. Just think of the law of tithing. It was not a new law, but was part of the law of consecration. It was also designed to take care of the poor and needy. The Church leadership starting with Brigham Young used the funds as a slush fund to build up their own personal wealth to the detriment of the Saints. They also revised the interpretation multiple times. It went from interest to increase to income. They added fast offerings to it.
At one time they gave special privilege to farmers over the rest. Even now the Church Leadership is exempt from paying tithing.
"Brigham Young and other church authorities, when need required it, drew on the tithing resources of the church, and at a later date repaid part or all of the obligation in money, property, or services. No interest seems to have been paid for the use of these funds.... This ability to draw, almost at will, on church as well as his own funds, was a great advantage to Brigham Young and was certainly one of the reasons for his worldly success.... while Brigham Young was probably the largest borrower of funds from the trustee-in-trust, he was certainly not the only one." ("The Settlement of the Brigham Young Estate," 1877-1879, Reprinted from the Pacific Historical Review, vol. 21, no. 1, Feb. 1952, p.7-8)
"It was finally determined that his estate was worth approximately $1,626,000, but obligations of more than a million dollars to the Church plus other debts and executor's fees reduced the family's claim to $224,000. When seven of his dissatisfied heirs challenged this settlement, however, that matter was settled out of court and the Church agreed to give the heirs an additional $75,000." (The Story of the Latter-day Saints, by James Allen and Glen Leonard, second ed. 1992, Deseret Book, p.385)
@@Veevslav1 What evidence is there that the church leadership is exempt from paying tithing? It was taught for many years that there was no paid ministry in the LDS church. That was untrue. There is no paid leadership at the local level but once a GA then they receive a salary and benefits. President Hinckley was the one who finally clarified this.
I do believe that returning to Independence Missouri will happen when politics no longer supports agency and the saints are oppressed. This is probably the trigger that will cause the exodus of the Saints who wish to go to The New Jerusalem for safety and peace.
When the mark of the beast arrives
I wonder if the gathering would be on the precipice of a genocide? I say this because the believers were almost all killed before the sign of Christ's birth was given in 3 Nephi, and I think that would imply the believers were gathered for some reason to make killing them all easier.
When the judgements come-
"On My house it shall begin, and from My house it shall go forth".....that's when I go.
Part of a major prophecy prior to the second coming has started to happen. The Jews are supposed to build a third temple in Jerusalem. They have acquired 5 red heifers. One of which will need to be sacrificed before they start building the temple. If one of them remains Kosher. In October 2023 they plan on sacrificing one which could lead to the building of the 3rd temple.
I don't believe the inhabitants of current day Isreal are anywhere close to being able to offer any type of offering.
@@KimballCody look it up.
Very possible, yet without a peace treaty to build the temple on temple mound, nothing is going to happen.
@@thadrepairsitall1278 I knew a Thad in my youth. It's such an unusual name. Could you be one in the same? (Pennsylvania)
@@allanaarraut7755 I lived in Pennsylvania until 1985.
Love your videos! Any way you could talk a bit slower though? I realize you cover a lot of material in each one, but some of us old folks can’t keep up. Thank you so much for all the research you do to help us understand the gospel in more detail!
There's a feature here to change the speed of the voice. Look for three dots on the screen and click there.
@@greentree_ Thank you so much for your help there with your speed comment 😊
Yea but there are people who lose attention when people talk slower.
I don't know if you still monitor this channel, the last post before mine; was 10 months ago. Today, 8-26-2023 I was preparing myself for my Sabbath, and to spend some time with the scriptures. I came across a word I did not understand; as I searched for its meaning, I some how ended up on this video. I don't know why, the word I had been researching had nothing to do with the content of this video; and I'm really at a loss as to why this video even came up as a suggestion. As I watched this video I wanted too know if there are scriptures in The King James Bible that speaks of this topic of The Saints Return to Missouri? Until today, I never heard of this term, and the scriptures that are used in this video is very unfamiliar to me. I'm hoping that you would send me all the correlating scripture of this topic, and where it can be found in the KJB. Thank You For Your Time in This Matter.
I noticed you did not mention the verses in D&C 103:15-20 which gives some description of how Zion (Jackson County) will be redeemed or reclaimed for the building of the New Jerusalem. I'm curious on your insight into these verse and if they still apply
Seems like Adam Ondi Ahmen will occur which may be a series of meetings, and that may be the call to establish a new Zion, a new National capital. Maybe we have that meeting, and we start with our new super fast prefab temples and the visit to the Jews comes years after, then the coming to all the world. I feel like the meeting at Adam Ondi Ahmen may be years ahead of Christs coming to Jerusalem. We are entering immense economic distress and I could see those other churches selling off their property. The Lord states He can do His own work.
I just watched a video by D&c Central that brought up D&c 124:49 where the Lord said He no longer requires the Saints to gather to Independence and build a temple. In that video, he talks about how the 10th AoF just says built upon the American Continent, not Jackson County. I feel confused to say the least 😅 Will the Saints gather to Missouri to build a temple or not? I love your videos and have come to appreciate and trust your research, and I'd love your perspective on how to mesh 124:49 with the info in this video. Thank you so much!
The saints have already started gathering, in natural ways, to Missouri. It is truly a miracle the things we've seen since we felt prompted to move here two yrs ago. Eye has not seen nor ear has heard all that Lord will do for the saints. His ways and thoughts are higher than our ways. How everything will be fulfilled no one REALLY knows but the land in MO has been set apart for the New Jerusalem... We can only follow the spirit and act in faith❤M
Is there a way to access your Prezi presentation?
prezi.com/view/CeAPmfPvhvkk0Z5NR8j6/
@@GospelLessons1 Thank you so much, this is so helpful in study. ❤️
Eth 13:3 " And that it was the place of the New Jerusalem, which should come down out of Heaven, and the Holy sanctuary of the Lord. " See also Rev 3:12 and 21:2, Then go to Mos 7:21 &63. Done in order is best but have a look. You will understand better how the Lord will come as a thief in the night. We will wake up and the Temple will be there along with the city of Enoch returned. There are others these are just few. So if you are waiting to repent until you hear the Temple announced; you had better take the warnings of repent now do not wait.
"21 And ye all are witnesses this day, that Zeniff, who was made king over this people, he being over-zealous to inherit the land of his fathers, therefore being deceived by the cunning and craftiness of king Laman, who having entered into a treaty with king Zeniff, and having yielded up into his hands the possessions of a part of the land, or even the city of Lehi-Nephi, and the city of Shilom; and the land round about-
Mosiah 7:21
Book of Mormon
Scriptures
Not sure where Mosiah 7:63 is though nor is there a chapter 63 in Mosiah.
But I feel the same way. I think most of us have missed the signs and misinterpret the happenings of events.
@@Veevslav1 Mos not Msh. So Moses 7: 21 and 63
Ppl are slowly returning to Missouri. Zion will be built there we just don’t know when.
I feel the buildings for the temple complex are largely already prefabricated and ready to go….I would be surprised if as much preparation in advance as is possible is not already to completed…
Zion isn't just one place but whereever the people are of one heart and one mind with Jesus Christ. The new Jerusalem is one place and not all will need to gather there but it will be a center place, a capital for Zion that will be in many places throughout the world.
Please stop confusing Zion with the New Jerusalem.
Two slight corrections…The Jaredites were not a remnant of the house of Israel. They predated Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And it was Moroni, not Ether, that prophesied about the Jews and Jerusalem.
I had a dream 8 years ago I bought a house there (in a few years). I asked HF earlier this year where is this house he showed me in a dream. I did the CFM last year and I understood MO. I started to look at houses in MO just in case. I found the a similar house this year indicating I'm looking at the right state.
What does HF represent? Ohhh surely you mean Heavenly Father …
Because Temples are built all over the world I interpret that to mean that Father in Heaven expects us to remain in our own country and build the Church through bringing others to baptism and to the Temple to receive saving Ordinances.. if the time arrives when Father will call us to Missouri so be it, He will also provide the means by which we can do that ..
Whatever is coming is coming soon.
President Nelson said in the April 2019 Liahona First Presidency message said that the time is coming where those that don't obey the word of the Lord will be separated from those who do.
I know this doesn't fit the narrative stated in this video, but Ether 13:3 and Rev 21:2 make for interesting reading:
3 And that it was the place of the New Jerusalem, which should come down out of heaven, and the holy sanctuary of the Lord.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
It should be understood that Mount Zion and Zion are not the same thing. Mount Zion is the center stake which we call the New Jerusalem. Zion is the whole of North and South America. Currently as was stated the saints have been counciled to gather in their own lands, but at some future time, after America has been cleansed "as the inside of a platter" in preparation of the coming of the lost 10 tribes to this land, and after the Assyrian has been removed from this land ( see Joel 2) then:
...there shall be gathered unto it out of every nation under heaven; and it shall be the only people that shall not be at war one with another. D&C 45:69
Let them, therefore, who are among the Gentiles flee unto Zion. -- D&C 133:12
And then shall a cry go forth: Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, ... go ye out of the midst of her; ...
For ye shall not go out with haste nor go by flight; for the Lord will go before you, and the God of Israel shall be your rearward. -- 3 Nephi 20:41-42
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They that remain, and are pure in heart, shall return, and come to their inheritances, they and their children, with songs of everlasting joy, to build up the waste places of Zion -- D&C 101:18
For the Lord shall comfort Zion, he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, -- 2 Nephi 8:3
Therefore, the redeemed of the Lord shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy -- 2 Nephi 8:11
[see also Isaiah 51:3,11]
what becomes of the SLC temple and other temples that dot the earth during this time? are they to be overrun by the wicked or will righteous stakes exist all over the world? this discussion makes it sound like everyone will be run out and have no where else to go but Missouri and I just don't know that I think that is true.
My husband is part of the Salt Lake temple project and it’s being renovated to stand through the millennium.
And there will be Saints, who are caught up...
Do you think that members will be called to preach the gospel like the old days?
The verse from Section 133, quoted in this video, says "spiritual Babylon". That reads to me like the Zion it's referring to is not the physical Zion but the spiritual Zion, ie the Stakes of Zion. So, are you saying that the righteous remnant will be be what remains of the church after wars, famine, earthquakes and so forth? If so, how will all the righteous members go to Missouri? How will the Japanese members get there? The Filipino saints? The African Saints? You get the question. Also, do you think we'll just abandon all the Temples around the globe when we flee? Since only about a third of the current 16 million members are what you'd call really active, Temple attending members, I'm not worried about the shear number but rather the challenge of Missouri being the only safe place for the righteous to flee to... since clearly most of them won't physically be able to. The more the church grows globally the less that makes sense to me. I'm not saying nobody will go to Missouri, I'm just saying the verse has to mean more than just Jackson County when it's talking about Zion.
It’s also important to recognize that there are at least four different appearances of Jesus Christ prophesied in scripture. These Second Coming appearances could be spread out over time, we don’t know an exact timeline or order of these events:
Adam-ondi-Ahman
Jesus appearing to the Jews on the Mount of Olives
His appearance to the Saints in the New Jerusalem
His coming in glory to the world!
That is as I understand it.
Who is the person who is doing this research and presenting these podcasts?
Thank you!!😊
The lds church just purchased Kirtland temple. how magnificent and cool is that. 🤩 March 5th 2024
Ok I’m not Mormon. I just happened to stumble on your videos. But yall believe new Jerusalem that will come down from heaven will be in Missouri?
You mean like the city of Enoch?
We will return after it has been made desolate.
The most accurate last days timeline I have seen thus far is from the UA-cam channel TheII
Video title: The Macro Last-day Timeline: Preface
The Gathering is still an active principle of Heaven. And yes- many if not most of us will "gather" in Jackson County.
By the way, watch the channel Christian Homestead, he has a video saying that Not "ALL" righteous saints will gather there "PRIOR TO" the Second Coming; a Liahona article says that's a myth.
hi, ggiven what yall do for property values, can you come now? sincerely, a KC resident.
It may be that Jackson County might be the location of the city of Zion. Would it shake our faith if our prophet announced that it was Salt Lake City or somewhere else? We must be careful where we place our faith.
16 million on paper. I’d say less than half at least that are active still. Around 1/3 fell away during the COVID years. And than 50% of that for the wise virgins or remnant selected to go and establish. And that’s still a very liberal number. And that’s before even mentioning the more severe tribulations about to fall hard on us with more pestilence, famine, and war.
Even then, only 5 out of the 10 Virgins were accepted to the wedding feast.
The 10 virgins are those whom are WORTHILY living and keeping their temple covenants.
that already excludes all those whom aren't.
Let alone those whom have oil in their lamps
One problem with your numbers, you are only counting LDS in your numbers. Don't be surprised if others from other Christian faiths are there as well who truly follow the master. They will receive the fullness even there.
@@nicholasbailey7592 eventually they will be admitted, those that have survived the tribulations and cleansing about to descend on the US, at least admitted to the surrounding cities of Zion once america gets sealed up. The initial chosen to establish the center stake in New Jerusalem in Jackson County though are the five wise virgins; temple worthy, event conscience, temporally and spiritually prepared members that Joseph Smith himself is going to commission and he’s not taking any chances for failure like the first time.
Excellent
Jesus 🙏 🕊
My husband's Patriarchal Blessing tells him that he will live to see the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. He is now 68 years old
I always thought I would see the 2nd coming also because of things said in my patriarchal blessing. However, after both of my childrens' patriarchal blessings that were this year, it leads me to think differently.
So does mine. And I’m 52. It’s funny, when I got it at age 18 I didn’t think much of the second coming stuff. But in the last 5 years I’ve been drawn to those words and the things it says I will witness in my life time. If you listen to President Nelson he seems to be almost pleading with the saints to prepare themselves for the second coming. President Kimball talked of my generation being the generation to meet Christ. But President Nelson’s comments to the youth of today about the second coming take it to a whole new level. I assume the second coming will revolve around the 2K anniversary the resurrection of Christ. So thinking 2030-2035? Depending on how close our calendar is true after 2K years.
Same age and all I know is that something BIG is going to happen in my life. When I retired and ended up in the area, I was baptized and am on 🔥 fire. So many families are moving here and our Stake/Ward has grown bigtime! Yes...I believe in "The Gathering" and President Nelson's message that The Gathering is THE most important thing to happen in the world today!✝️❤🌎
Be your BEST self, imitate Jesus Christ!
@@virginiasouth3704 I really love your comment imitate Jesus Christ. xo
@@itsgoodforthesoul9749 ty. It was on a book written back in the 1850's(if I remember correctly) "The Imitation of Christ" It left quite an impression on me!;-)
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During last general conference the brethren mentioned several times the higher law. What higher law? They also spelled out for us that parables are designed to convey principles for certain people, not for all. Are they going anywhere with that? Are they going to bring the law of consecration because of the coming famine? Is plural marriage also coming? Celestial marriage in its original meaning is plural marriage after all. If most men die, it will probably be a need. But most members would reject it if they don’t see the need on the horizon even though the brethren see it on the horizon. Plural marriage would lure many Muslims into the church. Perhaps that’s why the pamphlet on Islam ☪️ is a beginning to make inroads together with the bringing back of plural marriage. Persecution would also grow and plural marriage might also be something that the brethren have in mind when talking about coming persecution. In that way the church would also get a lot of publicity worldwide, like wildfire 🔥. Why has the temple wording changed from "your husband or wife” to "husbands and wives" unless there’s a good reason? Otherwise it’s more confusing. And if plural marriage is in place it will be fitting for the Millennium because thus the earth 🌍 can replenish again and recover the number of folks that didn’t make it.
While there is of yet many prophecies not yet fulfilled and the second coming is certainly still a many years out, I still feel it’s plausible for all of this to occur within my lifetime(currently less than a week shy of turning 38)
Almost all of the unfulfilled prophecies are being initiated or preparation for their future Initiation is underway.
Personally, I do not believe all the Saints will move to Missouri. They didn't just spend a boatload of money on the Salt Lake Temple so they could walk away from it. But some people will be called to go some day, and a bunch more will eventually migrate there of their own accord, just like Zion now.
JST Matthew 27 And now I show unto you a parable. Behold, wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.
What do you think this means? I’ve got some ideas, but I’d like to hear yours.
A quote I found, speaking of the Jackson county Temple:
We have been informed by the revelations of the Lord Jesus Christ that there should be a Temple built in Jackson County; D&C 57:3 D&C 84:1-5 D&C 124:51 but has there been a revelation to tell us how long or how high it should be? No, we have got to be governed by the mind and will of God, and this must be apparent to this people; it shows itself more and more. President Young tells us that the living oracles should be our guide, that, in fact, we should have the living oracles within us always. -Wilford Woodruff
Therefore we have to wait upon the revelation of the Lord.
Dear brother, thank you for sharing your study and thoughts about the New Jerusalem and the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. There are a few but important prophecies and scriptures that need to be mentioned that help understand more clearly God's plan regarding the Second Coming:
1) The New Jerusalem is not just limited to Jackson County Missouri. If that would be the case. there would be not sufficient space for all the saints to come, including the Ten Lost Tribes and the return of the City of Enoch. there will be million of people moving into this not just a city, but a nation, the Kingdom of God on Earth. in the Book of Revelation the Apostle John clearly reveals to us the size of the New Jerusalem. Revelation 21:16 The size of the New Jerusalem will eventually be 12,000 furlongs on each side which is equal to about 1500 miles on each side in a perfect square. About the size of the continent. There will be sufficient room for all the Saints to come and rejoice in the presence of the Lord.
2) No one knows the day nor the hour of His coming but we can know the season and now is the season. We are at the end of the sixth millennium and the beginning of the seventh millennium. The Savior is coming at the beginning of the Seventh millennium. For the sake of the Saints, from now on the events of His coming will be accelerated. As we will come closer to the Second Coming, the signs will become more frequent and more evident to all the Saints. Right now the living prophet has instructed the Saints to remain in their own countries to continue this missionary work in the world but eventually this missionary work will end and the Lord though His prophet will call all the Saints to come to the promise land. The land of our ereditance. A place of safety and refuge from the rest of the world before the great and terrible day shall come upon all the inhabitant of the world.
3) This land is set apart and dedicated for the final gathering of Israel, the tribe of Ephraim and the Ten Lost tribes including Manassas and including the remnant of the Nephites and Lamanites, but not only them, all the Saints from all tribes, except for the tribe of Judah which are gathering in the Old Jerusalem. All will be welcomed in the New Jerusalem, even those that are and will be adopted will be welcomed with no distinction or diversity. We will all be citizen of Christ new Kingdom on Earth.
Revelation 21 also says the temple will 1500 miles high...just might be symbolic instead of literal
Unless we understand that the spirit world is not just 3 dimensional.
@@IBNEDOn verse 17 mentions the walls of the city to be 144 cubits. One cubit is 1.5 feet, 144*1.5=216 feet. So, if 216 feet is the height of the walls, then maybe there might be an error in the original translation. 216 feet wall seems to be more probable.
I wish i could go ahead and move there!
You can !
Find some property to buy that you don't have to build on until "it's time" , as an "investment" in your future, that you can enjoy on family trips in the mean time .
I plan on being part of the Utah gathering when that time comes, as I plan to be part of the company if Saints willing to take up The Sword in defense of The Constitution, DIVINELY INSPIRED according to Prophecy , as part of saving it from its _near_ collapse .
However - those " ... unwilling to take up the sword ... " _ARE_ a crucial part of the Plan , as YOU will be tasked with the rebuilding as described in this Vid .
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ALL the _BEST_ to YOU and _yours_ !
See you on the OTHER SIDE of The Return !!
- Chuck .
The Temple Lot is owned by the Church of Christ which is one of the splinter groups that originated with Joseph Smith and they also teach from the Book of Mormon, and they have 12 apostles that date back to Joseph Smith as well.
Fun fact: the stake center next to the temple lot is where the stake goes on 4th of July for fireworks
Also a little more about me, my parents as well as my grandparents were inspired to move here about 6ish years ago because this is where zion will be built. Every general conference we hold out the smallest of hopes that one of the new temples announced would be here
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One thing that I wonder if people consider is that it's possible--even likely--that whole years may pass between the destructions prophesied occur, and the actual Second Coming. There very well may be little of our current civilization left to prevent the New Jerusalem being built, and still be years (though perhaps not many of them) before He comes again in glory.
Things can happen very quickly. God says, “the days will be shortened.” Seriously, though, if I have to wait another twenty years I will never make it.
You have NO idea how deeply I feel this!!! Glad I'm not alone.
what do you mean you won't make it?
Things were fine before the pandemic almost. Inflation, increase of fake news, greedy businesses, wickedness increasing, just be to name a few. It is much harder to live in a society who justifies taking advantage of others to make a buck. Things have changed since the yearly 70's. Now we could be in the worst recession we have seen in a while. That could cause a division among people that could cause a civil war. I know it isn't good.
You're going to be very disappointed then. I'm guessing the second coming is at least hundreds of years away. No one alive will see it.
@@rsstnnr76 there's more proof it's in our lifetime than not actually.
I will be impressed if Jackson county is without conflict as long as there are jayhawkers and Kansas exists.
Is it just me or do any of y’all see the similarities between the issues with this temple lot as the Jews have with their temple lot. 😅 neither of us own it and are waiting till we can acquire it from a counterfeiter religion. Interesting parallel for both his ancient and modern church.
Maybe the reason why the Saints will want to build the Temple in Missouri is because every other Temple will have been destroyed and desecrated. Think of the huge desire it will be to have a new Temple for all of those Saints wanting to be married and sealed to family because it probably will be a time where no Temple will be available to be used. I think that’s why we are in such a hurry to build as many as we can now before we are not able too.
Did you not hear President Nelson say that the Salt Lake Temple was being rennovated to last into the Millennium? Why bother doing that, just to have it destroyed just sonwe can build a single Temple in Independence?
Why build them at all just to knock them down?
Do you think that the Saints will be so corrupted by then that the Lord will stop protecting his temples?
Why would the Lord go to all the trouble? If there's only going to be two temples, one in Independence and one in Jerusalem, couldn't the Lord just make sure that all the necessary temple work gets done in those two buildings?
Think about it for a moment. Why would he do that when his saints live in 190 countries throughout the world? Why would he make them all move closer to those 2 temples when it makes more sense to put the temples near his saints?
The new Jerusalem will be built. Those building it will be "called" to the task. Once it is built again the people will be "called" to populate it. It will be orderly, carefully, ..a "recommend" likely will be needed as it will be a holy city. One can come and go to the temple , even so with the holy city.
Where do you get this from.where in the Bible does it say this.USA and Britain are Israel 🇮🇱
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Remnants righteous will always grow if cared for, especially with the quickening of the spirit. As we generally flock toward the central Zion location the wicked will be pushing away from the light of Jesus Christ.
the New Jerusalem can not be in Missouri, because the Bible describes the New Jerusalem as being 1,500 miles square, slightly bigger than the entire state of Missouri.
I'd like to see the good that will happen in the last days
Where are people getting the 16 million number from
Really bad audio.
Makes sense we won't go until we have made our own "Zion" in our own lands. We first must learn kindness, compassion, charity, etc... We won't automatically just pick it up once we get there, maybe we will🤷. But I feel like Nelson is calling us to lose the "attitude" so to speak before we're called back for good reason. We're going to be living the law of consecration so we must be on a higher level of spiritual growth to prevent any problems that might cause. Just speculation 😉
Wont be 16 Million because about Half of those 16 million are less active / inactive. And about 2/3 of the 8 million are tithe payers. And I would say of those 5M, less than 500k do their ministering, are actually temple worthy, actually go to the temple more than once a year or years ... and study the scriptures regularly. Could be well under 250K or as little as 100k adults who would qualify .
Claudius was the restrainer. 2 Th 2:6, 7.
I am 66 years old now, and I am not too sure that I will be alive at the time it occurs. (the Second Coming) My guess is Sunday April 6th, 2036 at the earliest.
D and C 88: 96 And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.
97 And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him in the midst of the pillar of heaven. They are Christ’s, the first fruits, they who shall descend with him first, and they who are on the earth and in their graves, who are first caught up to meet him. (I love this section of the Doctrine and Covenants) All of the righteous people (not just LDS people) who are alive and who are dead will be caught up to meet him, they are Christ's the first fruits WHO SHALL DESCEND with him. We are taken up while his wrath is poured out upon the wicked. I think it has something to do with the gathering of the saints ( and not Latter day Saints ) every righteous person living and dead. Therefore, there is no need for deeds and ownership of land.
What about the prophecies of the mountains? Even it was said the Rocky Mountains. That millions will gather in Zion (Utah) where there will be peace?
I'm told there will be more than the Missouri gathering, that Saints will gather both for refuge AND defense . Building up the Temple for refuge and worship in Mussouri and Government and defense in S-L is what we'd discussed . I'd since had a falling out with the center of those visits , but came to realize later that my friend was right and I was wrong . Who's to say now re: thus topic , but he'd presented this as insight gained from family visits with family friends , who were G-A's very interested in the final gatherings , so ... .
Clearly there's more to learn 👍!!
If I am still alive then I am not afraid to take up arms and build a hand cart if I have to get myself and my wife there.
The two witnesses were Peter and Paul.
I appreciate your time and research into this topic. But it seems like you are coming at us as someone who knows. Truth is, no one knows for sure what the exact events will be. We have pieces of a puzzle. How it all fits together we don’t know yet. So I feel it’s important to tell people listening that this is your OPINION. We could be far closer than you realize to the millennium. And the prophet and apostles are even saying as much. That has never happened in my lifetime. They know we are very close. And if you are right that we are 20 + years away, that’s fine. Just don’t take this position that you know and other members don’t. As if you have all the answers. You’re just spouting your opinion like the rest of us.
Do you watch Christian Homestead?
No one alive today will see the second coming happen. Yes, that's just my opinion. I just don't see it happening any time soon. Hundreds of years, maybe? Who knows.
@@rsstnnr76 Watch the channel I recommended and see if you might change your mind.
@@rsstnnr76 Then all the scriptures and prophets are false.
I’m a millennial and I strongly believe I will be around for the second coming.
My Zion is right where I live.
If only you had enough members to do all this work...unfortunately members and youth are leaving..
There will be enough. The scriptures refer to a “remnant” and those who are “escaped”, indicating that a significant portion will not be ready or participate.
So, is it only that the US saints will build the New Jerusalem?
All that talking and not a mention as Saints worldwide membership coming to the New Jerusalem.
I find the videos by US Lds to always be very US centric and not really inclusive as a general body.
"And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you."
Perhaps this is prophecy here.???
Jesus Christ actually started a Church with Sacred Tradition (oral), Sacred Scripture (written), and the Magisterium to guide it through the Holy Ghost. How about the Bible...? Where does it say it is the authority for Jesus teachings? It doesn't... Start at the beginning. Jesus actually commissioned a Church that is bound by the keys of Peter, and, has Apostalic Succession. In other words, a Church that was built on Authority, professed through Sacred Tradition directly from Jesus, and put together the 73 books of the Bible called Sacred Scripture. You can't Add or Subtract anything from Sacred Scripture, and its interpretation is through the Holy Spirit within the Magisterium of this Church. Universal is its name, and has labored through centuries of attacks from the likes of Gnosticism, Manichaeism, Arianism Pelagianism, and eventually Protestantism. Many of these professed Jesus was just a man. This Apostalic Church compiled Sacred Scripture and was commissioned by "Pope Damansis I" to have St Jerome translate Aramaic/Greek into Latin, and have councils under the authority and leadership of St Augustine in 397-405 for its completion. Hum... A Catholic (Universal) authority through the Magisterium with oral traditions handed down through the Apostles and their successors to bring us the 7 Sacraments. Matthew ends with "go and bring the gospels to all nations and Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus Hypostatic Union of being both fully man and fully God is the foundation of the Christian faith. Remember the Old Testament??? Substitute Testament for Covenant or promise. the New Testament (Covenant promise) is the Eucharist He left us. Jesus is truly present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity within this new promise/Testament/Covenant. Jesus substituted the perfect lamb for sacrifice at the last Passover meal called the Last Supper. Jesus initiated the Sacrificial offering at this Supper where He said to Eat His flesh and Drink His blood to have life within you. Jesus Consummated the sacrifice with His death on the cross. He rose on the third day, and ascended into heaven. "Jim Cummings shroud of turin." Sacred Scripture is perfect and has no errors. The Mother of God is the perfected Woman as was Eve. The difference is Mary was conceived Immaculately and never sinned with her YES or Totus Tuus. She is the greatest example for all of mankind to follow with her devotion to her Son Jesus. Guadalupe, Lourdes, and Fatima is God's love for us to send His own mother to bring us home. This is the One True Church, and you should be a part of it. PAX