Fantastic. Great choice of 'panelists'. We desperately need to hear these voices. Well done Rebel Wisdom. My patronage is well deserved, I'm happy to say .
I have noticed in Waterstones and other booksellers that there is a gender studies section where it is easy to find Laurie Penny, Caitlin Moran and Laura Bates but never to find Erin Pizzey, Joanna Williams and Camille Paglia. I have wondered whether this is just coincidence or is related to some policy of acceptable and unacceptable reading. Has anyone had a similar experience?
Simon Farrow Well the last three would have absolutely no place in gender studies so I suppose it fits. So if you want a narrow, authoritarian perspective you have your own shelf!
1:14:50 - Of course, certain groups are considered perfectly acceptable to demonize. Men most especially fall into that category. I'm not so worried about individuals who make statements like that. I'm worried when it becomes socially acceptable to do so.
We seem to be regressing, inexorably to Orwell's 1984. Interesting that here in Catalonia quite a few people have gone to prison (without trial) for their political views...and the world just looks on, if indeed it even looks
By and large, those Catalans who were imprisoned were convicted of illegality. politicians were convicted for holding an illegal referendum in an illegal manner and others were locked up, after due process, for acts of violence or incivility
@@ChrisThomson1001 Puigdemont is under arrest awaiting trial. The referendum was declared illegal *way* before Oct 1st and Puigdemont was repeatedly warned that holding it would incite violence. Puigdemont fled the country knowing he had broken the law and was arrested on his return. The Mossos D'Equadra, local police under orders from their Major, refused to follow the letter of the law and close down voting stations. That Major is under investigation for sedition. He is not under arrest. Are you inferring that the Spanish Cortes are behaving like 'Big Brother'? Or are you inferring that the Catalan regional government is behaving like Soviet Communists during the Catalan terrors of 1938 that Orwell narrowly escaped?
@@jonnutter we seem to be talking about two different planets....I live here and watched all these events first hand.....politicians have been locked up without trial for over a year....and the Spanish government and police behaved abysmally
@@ChrisThomson1001 So why bring up Orwell? Did you live in Spain under Franco? I did, for what it's worth... about as valid a proposition as you saying 'I was there'. Those guys under Franco actually *did* ban/burn books, just like in 1984, and the Guardia Civil really *did* behave appallingly and with impunity. The regression is more towards Huxley's dystopia, where no one would have to ban/burn books because no one reads them any more
Last time I went to a gallery there was an exhibition that consisted entirely of beautifully presented old photos from American slavery. The funny thing was - I recognised about a third of the pictures from history books. And I’m quite old.
Tim also makes a good point about Elvis and you can add to that Pat Boone back then, radio stations wouldn't play black music, it was definitely a cultural issue.
Can someone please get the kettle! Also good chat and thanks. But noone addressed the context of the grenfell effigy. If I’m not mistaken there have been fire of London ones and it’s an endemic part of your culture. Seems a bit remiss. And I’d like to hear direct quotes from the accused as opposed to magical thinking. That aside makes us a nice cuppa tea would you. Thanks.
I would support a PR voting system for the House of Commons in the UK general election to elect 650 MP's. Ireland or Italy or Norway P.R voting system should be introduced into British general election for the UK House of Commons.
So-called cultural appropriation of black music by white musicians was the primary cause of bringing prosperity and a mass appreciative audience to black musicians. The British invasion of America in the 60s bringing black music to white audiences suddenly made black music super cool and tore down the music segregation barriers to the great benefit of black artists.
Tim is channeling J B Peterson almost verbatim. The good doctor has warned us of ideological possession. But I'm glad his perspective is becoming integrated into our culture in this way.
Perhaps, but for many of us Jordan articulates or purveys our existing positions - and this may well be the case for Tim. Not everyone is converted by Jordan; his views are certainly sophisticated and well-articulated, but the philosophies have only come to seem novel or revolutionary because they've been suppressed. What is that Orwell quote? In a time of universal deception, telling the truth becomes a crime. Something like that.
Kind of funny that my clumsy attempts at Japanese style watercolours might have been “cultural misappropriation”. I would probably not laugh if I had tried to make African wood masks or New Orleans style woodo dolls while being a German man with blond hair. I guess mass production of such things would be problematic at least. Instead of fighting against cultural appropriation we should uphold authenticity.
I think that cultural appropriation originally referred to commercial exploitation. For instance, to forge Aboriginal paintings and sell them to Swiss financiers. To learn techniques or assume the aesthetics of another culture is fundamental to what Culture itself actually is, and how it serves the survival and prosperity of our species. The issue (as usual) is that overconfident and hypocritical teenagers believe that they understand or have mastered a concept or philosophy based upon having read a facebook post, a meme, or a wiki entry. From there they weaponise their bastardised construction for their own personal political purposes. Later, corrupt corporatists notice and promote or demote voices according to their utility to the market, and "hey presto" we have a perfect Divide and Conquer process to keep the corrupt in power and the free-thinking on the run.
I was looking forward to this however it is fully 12 mins before talk of art. Equally, both artists here are writers. As a species we have more than one way of communicating and it must not go unnoticed that our species crafted visual art before we could write and speak. My point is, that art points to something or someone beyond itself. It provides us with a radiance of what is good, what is true and what is beautiful. Therefore art is a 'shared' experience, it brings 'unity', therein beauty is not, and never can be, in the eye of the beholder. That is why for example when I look at an unmade bed, as art, it lacks what ought to be present and that is goodness, truth, beauty and unity.
Liam McCann - agree, unmade bed, urinary, empty canvas etc.... makes me run miles ( in despair) from any "modern art" gallery. They want to push this down on our throats - all I can do is sick it up.
@@kbeetles We undermine the dignity of the human person with post-modern, post truth art. Rebel Wisdom really ought to have had Roger Scruton on here. His insight into the transcendent nature of art is telling. Western culture and post-modern art has lost faith in the future and seems ill at ease contemplating our place in the created order. This is so subtle, seductive and cunning that I suspect most artists fail to see what is at risk here as they reject transcendent reality. The father of all lies has spun a web of deceit which means modern artists produce what is often 'real' dirt and filth. That is truly insane. Ne Timeas.
Liam McCann - thank you! This is an interesting and very valid point about connection between art, beauty, the transcendent and the loss of our bearings. Any books or speakers you can suggest? I do like Scruton....maybe I shall look him up again...
@@kbeetles Thank you kindly. I come at art from more of a theological aspect. Via Pulchritudinis may present a productive starting point and Hans Urs von Balthasar's The Glory of the Lord, A Theological Aesthetics, I. Seeing the Form. I understand the Holy See will issue guidance on the Catechism next year with the focus being around beauty & art. I also enjoy listening to Jonathan Pageau on the UA-cam. Would be interested if you have any suggestions also.
I’ll always defend that beauty absolutely is in the eye of the beholder, how else can you explain our utterly mutable, inconsistent idea of beauty? At what point in human history did the idea of beauty fixate and stagnate? It’s in constant flux, as is humanity. I find people who have glaring insecurities about modern art are often the most rigid thinkers. They can only see and accept their own individual interpretation, and if it’s not their interpretation then it is wrong, aesthetic fascists you could say. Would a dramatically lit, sensitively reproduced Caravaggio-esque painting of an unmade bed tickle your fancy more? And yourself why. And a commenter above brought up the urinal... so you don’t find ideas beautiful or of aesthetic merit either? Does art have to tick a list of approved mediums? The urinal was taking the piss out of modern art, Duchamp was the preeminent shitposter.
Too much defending and explaining the proposition in the title. Would have been more interesting to compare examples of PC propaganda posing as literature alongside great art. This could serve to reveal/illustrate the chilling effect this has had on the depth of insight available to the reader. Some select readings to demonstrate this contrast would have been great and given the conversation some structural reference points. You had a room full of writers. I would of expected more 'plot' and less repeated affirmation of a proposition. Some Mark Twain, contrasted with the NPC collage of Frankenstein monster cut out characters overtly PC publishers believe to be more 'woke' would have bought this to life. Then again perhaps I just prefer graphic novels, lots of 'pictures' in my conversations?
I disagree with the assertion multiculturalism is about sharing. Multiculturalism is cultural aparteid in the way it segregates and freeze dries immigrant cultures in western countries. Multiculturalism presumes 'culture' and 'race' are tied and nothing to do with location. Culture is a response to when, where and how people are in a place. Multiculturalism is paternalistic, imposed sectarianism. Multiculturalism encourages social schizophrenia and dissociation. I am a migrant, my partner is a migrant from a non English speaking background. We struggle to belong here and respect the culture of our new land. This obsession with exulting the exotic and the consequent cultural self-deprecation of the host culture encourages us to view the local culture as vacuuous and second rate, which sadly it now is.
Beautifully well said. I'm especially saddened by the way its proponents seek to "freeze-dry" culture (which is an excellent metaphor). Culture is vibrant and interactive, not static. I don't see how a multi-cultural society can suceed and thrive, if it exoticises some cultures and deprecates others; or if it forbids members of one culture to participate in another. Like in my culture, a _hei matau_ (fishhook pendant) is an ancient symbol that's traditionally made of shell or bone or wood or stone; and of course has a lot of historical significance. But recently, I saw one that an artist had made of blown glass, and it was a beautiful and interesting idea. It didn't take away anything, it didn't "appropriate" or steal anything from Tahitian culture. It simply brought her own unique vision to an ancient design, from someone whose own ancestors had been glass-blowers, and it's a lovely and fascinating work of art. Culture grows and thrives by sharing, not by segregating. I'm not British, and I live in the US; but our family has adopted the British tradition of Christmas Crackers because we love it. And I've never met a British person who was insulted by that. I hope people can eventually get past this awful "cultural appropriation" obsession. There's good and bad in all cultures, and we all need to be sharing the good, and letting go of the bad.
Shriver and Lott are correct. Censorship and freedom of speech are incompatible with art, whether the received "wisdom" is the political correctness today or the Christian dogmas of medieval Europe. But these are largely issues for those writers whose livelihood depend on mass publishing: the major NYC publishing houses, the magazines, the newspapers, and sometimes the electronic media. All forms of mass communication exact a price for sponsorship, part ideological and part economic. This video concerns the former. I wish to comment on the economics of modern publishing. It is also stultifying for writers, and it is premised on the need for super-profits. The mass media serves a relatively low-brow audience and aims at massive sales to survive. Lionel Shriver, who I appreciate for her politics and clear analysis of stupidity, is nonetheless forced by publishing economics to write novels about controversial subjects and social problems that may appeal to a mass audience rather than explore the deeper themes of which she is capable. Nothing written by Joseph Conrad or Leo Tolstoy or Jane Austen would be accepted by a NY publisher today. They simply don't appeal to a mass audience; the themes they explore are too subtle, the language too nuanced. The answer to that is, I think, regional publishing -- the deliberate cultivation of an audience that is not national in scope or niche publishing, which is not geographic at all. There is a market for better literature than NY and London is currently printing, but it can't be marketed to the masses and it must be predicated on a different economic model.
she is partly right about who Vs What you are, but disregards so much, race does matter in many contexts and shouldn't be an issue for one who puts priorities to that aspect. You can't apply those statements to animals why then us? listen to way of the world channel and Alternative Hypothesis channel and you'll see how ignorant her disregard is much like Sargons dismissal within the individualistic lens.
I have a feeling that libertarianism would only work in a society/country if the the average IQ/EQ were high! In countries with a low average IQ/EQ, high flown ideals and value systems don't seem to work.
I must disagree, libertarianism requires a strong social agreement. Any time there were any real disagreements on actions the system falls apart. Slavery for example. I say yes, you say no. There is no middle ground. I say its my libertarian right to purchase other humans as slaves and use them as I see fit. You say its the slaves libertarian right to not have to be a slave. There is no compromise in this arrangement. If you allow people to do what they want and purchase slaves then you are pro slavery which isn't very libertarian. If you are against slavery you are against allowing people the right to purchase others if they choose to do so, not very libertarian. Libertarian societies don't require high IQs they require everyone to be on the same socially engineered program.
I don't think that is right. When you disagree with lefties you get silenced. When you disagree with libertarians you are likely to become the center of attention. Anarchism, whether right or left, is a different matter. Most anarchists behave so badly when they disagree that I find myself wondering if there is a cop around. Antifa is led by anarcho-communists, and they are undoubtedly the worst.
It is possible that any system can work in a country with *a high average IQ;* Singapore, for example, has a market-based economy but the state owns the means of production; a mixed economy (not ideal, in my opinion, but it seems to work for them); they have an *average IQ of 108,* and if I'm not mistaken, citizens have a good quality of life and longevity is common and taken for granted. Japan also has a mixed economy that seemingly works for them; their *average IQ is 108,* and today it would seem they have a good quality of life; the *diversity* they do have in Japan (and in Singapore), is homogeneous diversity (in terms of IQ, ethics, social values etc.). *South Africa, by contrast,* has an *average IQ of 77* and is seemingly a *tyranny of the masses* "democracy" very similar to the Mugabe regime that turned that country into the *empty* "breadbasket of Africa" it is today; a country plundered to rubble! Everything is "free;" payed for by the main tax base (the persecuted and beleaguered minority), and the universities are seemingly packed to the rafters with people who feel that *"fees must fall,"* and *"science must fall,"* (please watch the video), and *difficult examination papers must fall* (they walked out of a philosophy exam - some of them had crib notes stuffed down their front - because they deemed the paper too difficult!). When the average IQ is low and the *masses* (it is interesting to note that *no connection* is made between *chronic poverty* and the astronomically high birth rate/population of the aggressively discontented masses), *vote for the government that promises to take over the means of production and to expropriate without compensation the land and property of the higher IQ group,* it is usually utter chaos and, predictably, a bloodbath: at one point in Zimbabwe, one farmer per week was being brutally murdered and flourishing farms and property were expropriated with carefree abandon by the government (all in the name of "the people" of course); Mugabe and his cronies were the only ones who benefitted from government sanctioned theft! Today in South Africa it is seemingly a rinse and repeat cycle taking place! Since 1994, an alleged 74 000 of the cowed and persecuted minority have been murdered, and one just has to watch the video *A Boer Widow Speaks Out About South African Farm Murders,* to see what happens in a country where bloodthirsty, low IQ predators roam the country with impunity! 74 000 murders of the minority was the point at which racial profiling of criminals was conveniently banned, so who know what the actual figure is today!
@@dansullivan0 Solid points! Just as it is essential, in an evolved and evolving society, to have freedom of artistic expression, freedom of speech, the right to disagree without being silenced, is also of paramount importance, and perhaps *emotional intelligence* is even more important than IQ when is comes to being able to see that. Similar to IQ, EQ is pretty much set in stone in adults! Those who want to control the behaviour of others, or to silence the opinions of those they disagree with, can have either high IQ or low IQ, because it's the EQ that is seemingly the problem! It is easy to get a bit lost here: it's proving difficult to get out of the IQ versus EQ maze, but if one breaks it down: high IQ with low emotional intelligence gives rise to Ted Bundy-type psychopaths, or those (some Chinese people - not all!), who torture dogs and animals before killing them because "it makes the meat more tasty," or those who slavishly follow a vengeful and bloodthirsty religion because they've created their God in their own image! The aforementioned don't necessarily suffer from low IQ! On the other hand, the opportunistic, criminal predators who roam the country with impunity and who prey on the vulnerable and persecuted minority in South Africa, especially vulnerable farmers and their families, and who frequently indulge in gratuitous violence by torturing their victims, sometimes for days on end, like a cat toying with a mouse before biting its head off, are perhaps on the low IQ/EQ spectrum! They also prey on their own people, perhaps because of proximity, and have sent the intra-racial rape and violent crime stats of the country through the roof!
Reassuring to know that not everybody lost their minds.
Great stuff. Sane writers need to be heard.
Good discussion. Two excellent guests. Very much looking forward to Iain McGilchrist.
Anyone even thinking about writing
needs to see this!
Fantastic. Great choice of 'panelists'. We desperately need to hear these voices. Well done Rebel Wisdom. My patronage is well deserved, I'm happy to say .
I love that they both had a glass of wine while they were speaking.. Great, intelligent, open minded, creative people.. Thanks..
Excellent stuff. This is why I love this channel!
Sticks and stones will brake my bones, but names will never hurt me.
I have noticed in Waterstones and other booksellers that there is a gender studies section where it is easy to find Laurie Penny, Caitlin Moran and Laura Bates but never to find Erin Pizzey, Joanna Williams and Camille Paglia. I have wondered whether this is just coincidence or is related to some policy of acceptable and unacceptable reading. Has anyone had a similar experience?
Simon Farrow
Well the last three would have absolutely no place in gender studies so I suppose it fits.
So if you want a narrow, authoritarian perspective you have your own shelf!
1:14:50 - Of course, certain groups are considered perfectly acceptable to demonize. Men most especially fall into that category. I'm not so worried about individuals who make statements like that. I'm worried when it becomes socially acceptable to do so.
We seem to be regressing, inexorably to Orwell's 1984. Interesting that here in Catalonia quite a few people have gone to prison (without trial) for their political views...and the world just looks on, if indeed it even looks
By and large, those Catalans who were imprisoned were convicted of illegality. politicians were convicted for holding an illegal referendum in an illegal manner and others were locked up, after due process, for acts of violence or incivility
@@jonnutter in nearly all cases there has not even been a trial!
@@ChrisThomson1001 Puigdemont is under arrest awaiting trial. The referendum was declared illegal *way* before Oct 1st and Puigdemont was repeatedly warned that holding it would incite violence. Puigdemont fled the country knowing he had broken the law and was arrested on his return. The Mossos D'Equadra, local police under orders from their Major, refused to follow the letter of the law and close down voting stations. That Major is under investigation for sedition. He is not under arrest. Are you inferring that the Spanish Cortes are behaving like 'Big Brother'? Or are you inferring that the Catalan regional government is behaving like Soviet Communists during the Catalan terrors of 1938 that Orwell narrowly escaped?
@@jonnutter we seem to be talking about two different planets....I live here and watched all these events first hand.....politicians have been locked up without trial for over a year....and the Spanish government and police behaved abysmally
@@ChrisThomson1001 So why bring up Orwell? Did you live in Spain under Franco? I did, for what it's worth... about as valid a proposition as you saying 'I was there'. Those guys under Franco actually *did* ban/burn books, just like in 1984, and the Guardia Civil really *did* behave appallingly and with impunity. The regression is more towards Huxley's dystopia, where no one would have to ban/burn books because no one reads them any more
Wow, how did I miss this? Interview her again!
Aaaaaah! at last!
Last time I went to a gallery there was an exhibition that consisted entirely of beautifully presented old photos from American slavery. The funny thing was - I recognised about a third of the pictures from history books. And I’m quite old.
Sound quality it kinda poor, there's a constant whistling in the background, sounds like a kettle needs to be taken off the heat
It's extremely noticeable if you're trying to listen to this on headphones.
I agree. Audio quality could definitely be approved across the board on this channel, which I think is great, by the way.
Sounds like a barking terrier at some points
@Stephen Docherty : I agree. No reason to improve anything. Always let things slide into poorer and poorer quality.
annoying whistilling noise in the audio at times, good talk though
V. difficult to listen to this on headphones at work.
Awful.
"The way out of this is catastrophe.
Look...this is petty shit!"
BRAVO!!
That was excellent, thanks.
VOLUME PLEASE
Interesting microphone set-up.
It IS illegal to be racist.
That's the premiss behind Hate Speech (or should I say Wrongthink) laws.
So this is how it goes, are we witnessing the birth of Newspeak?
Gret discussion. Ouch on that audio squeal.
Tim also makes a good point about Elvis and you can add to that Pat Boone back then, radio stations wouldn't play black music, it was definitely a cultural issue.
Unwatchable due to the audio. Please do better in the future Rebel.
In reference to the people saying y'all should take over for Pangburn: Ask and ye shall recieve!
Can someone please get the kettle!
Also good chat and thanks. But noone addressed the context of the grenfell effigy.
If I’m not mistaken there have been fire of London ones and it’s an endemic part of your culture. Seems a bit remiss. And I’d like to hear direct quotes from the accused as opposed to magical thinking.
That aside makes us a nice cuppa tea would you. Thanks.
55:37 Heavyweight product placement champion of the world ;) 55:52
I would support a PR voting system for the House of Commons in the UK general election to elect 650 MP's. Ireland or Italy or Norway P.R voting system should be introduced into British general election for the UK House of Commons.
So-called cultural appropriation of black music by white musicians was the primary cause of bringing prosperity and a mass appreciative audience to black musicians. The British invasion of America in the 60s bringing black music to white audiences suddenly made black music super cool and tore down the music segregation barriers to the great benefit of black artists.
Tim is channeling J B Peterson almost verbatim.
The good doctor has warned us of ideological possession.
But I'm glad his perspective is becoming integrated into our culture in this way.
Perhaps, but for many of us Jordan articulates or purveys our existing positions - and this may well be the case for Tim. Not everyone is converted by Jordan; his views are certainly sophisticated and well-articulated, but the philosophies have only come to seem novel or revolutionary because they've been suppressed. What is that Orwell quote? In a time of universal deception, telling the truth becomes a crime. Something like that.
@@fellowcitizen It's 'In a time of universal deception, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.'
Kind of funny that my clumsy attempts at Japanese style watercolours might have been “cultural misappropriation”. I would probably not laugh if I had tried to make African wood masks or New Orleans style woodo dolls while being a German man with blond hair. I guess mass production of such things would be problematic at least. Instead of fighting against cultural appropriation we should uphold authenticity.
I think that cultural appropriation originally referred to commercial exploitation. For instance, to forge Aboriginal paintings and sell them to Swiss financiers.
To learn techniques or assume the aesthetics of another culture is fundamental to what Culture itself actually is, and how it serves the survival and prosperity of our species.
The issue (as usual) is that overconfident and hypocritical teenagers believe that they understand or have mastered a concept or philosophy based upon having read a facebook post, a meme, or a wiki entry. From there they weaponise their bastardised construction for their own personal political purposes.
Later, corrupt corporatists notice and promote or demote voices according to their utility to the market, and "hey presto" we have a perfect Divide and Conquer process to keep the corrupt in power and the free-thinking on the run.
I was looking forward to this however it is fully 12 mins before talk of art. Equally, both artists here are writers. As a species we have more than one way of communicating and it must not go unnoticed that our species crafted visual art before we could write and speak. My point is, that art points to something or someone beyond itself. It provides us with a radiance of what is good, what is true and what is beautiful. Therefore art is a 'shared' experience, it brings 'unity', therein beauty is not, and never can be, in the eye of the beholder. That is why for example when I look at an unmade bed, as art, it lacks what ought to be present and that is goodness, truth, beauty and unity.
Liam McCann - agree, unmade bed, urinary, empty canvas etc.... makes me run miles ( in despair) from any "modern art" gallery. They want to push this down on our throats - all I can do is sick it up.
@@kbeetles We undermine the dignity of the human person with post-modern, post truth art. Rebel Wisdom really ought to have had Roger Scruton on here. His insight into the transcendent nature of art is telling. Western culture and post-modern art has lost faith in the future and seems ill at ease contemplating our place in the created order. This is so subtle, seductive and cunning that I suspect most artists fail to see what is at risk here as they reject transcendent reality. The father of all lies has spun a web of deceit which means modern artists produce what is often 'real' dirt and filth. That is truly insane. Ne Timeas.
Liam McCann - thank you! This is an interesting and very valid point about connection between art, beauty, the transcendent and the loss of our bearings. Any books or speakers you can suggest? I do like Scruton....maybe I shall look him up again...
@@kbeetles Thank you kindly. I come at art from more of a theological aspect. Via Pulchritudinis may present a productive starting point and Hans Urs von Balthasar's The Glory of the Lord, A Theological Aesthetics, I. Seeing
the Form. I understand the Holy See will issue guidance on the Catechism next year with the focus being around beauty & art. I also enjoy listening to Jonathan Pageau on the UA-cam. Would be interested if you have any suggestions also.
I’ll always defend that beauty absolutely is in the eye of the beholder, how else can you explain our utterly mutable, inconsistent idea of beauty? At what point in human history did the idea of beauty fixate and stagnate? It’s in constant flux, as is humanity. I find people who have glaring insecurities about modern art are often the most rigid thinkers. They can only see and accept their own individual interpretation, and if it’s not their interpretation then it is wrong, aesthetic fascists you could say. Would a dramatically lit, sensitively reproduced Caravaggio-esque painting of an unmade bed tickle your fancy more? And yourself why. And a commenter above brought up the urinal... so you don’t find ideas beautiful or of aesthetic merit either? Does art have to tick a list of approved mediums? The urinal was taking the piss out of modern art, Duchamp was the preeminent shitposter.
Too much defending and explaining the proposition in the title.
Would have been more interesting to compare examples of PC propaganda posing as literature alongside great art.
This could serve to reveal/illustrate the chilling effect this has had on the depth of insight available to the reader.
Some select readings to demonstrate this contrast would have been great and given the conversation some structural reference points.
You had a room full of writers. I would of expected more 'plot' and less repeated affirmation of a proposition.
Some Mark Twain, contrasted with the NPC collage of Frankenstein monster cut out characters overtly PC publishers believe to be more 'woke' would have bought this to life.
Then again perhaps I just prefer graphic novels, lots of 'pictures' in my conversations?
I disagree with the assertion multiculturalism is about sharing.
Multiculturalism is cultural aparteid in the way it segregates and freeze dries immigrant cultures in western countries.
Multiculturalism presumes 'culture' and 'race' are tied and nothing to do with location.
Culture is a response to when, where and how people are in a place.
Multiculturalism is paternalistic, imposed sectarianism.
Multiculturalism encourages social schizophrenia and dissociation.
I am a migrant, my partner is a migrant from a non English speaking background.
We struggle to belong here and respect the culture of our new land.
This obsession with exulting the exotic and the consequent cultural self-deprecation of the host culture encourages us to view the local culture as vacuuous and second rate, which sadly it now is.
Beautifully well said. I'm especially saddened by the way its proponents seek to "freeze-dry" culture (which is an excellent metaphor). Culture is vibrant and interactive, not static. I don't see how a multi-cultural society can suceed and thrive, if it exoticises some cultures and deprecates others; or if it forbids members of one culture to participate in another.
Like in my culture, a _hei matau_ (fishhook pendant) is an ancient symbol that's traditionally made of shell or bone or wood or stone; and of course has a lot of historical significance. But recently, I saw one that an artist had made of blown glass, and it was a beautiful and interesting idea. It didn't take away anything, it didn't "appropriate" or steal anything from Tahitian culture. It simply brought her own unique vision to an ancient design, from someone whose own ancestors had been glass-blowers, and it's a lovely and fascinating work of art.
Culture grows and thrives by sharing, not by segregating. I'm not British, and I live in the US; but our family has adopted the British tradition of Christmas Crackers because we love it. And I've never met a British person who was insulted by that.
I hope people can eventually get past this awful "cultural appropriation" obsession. There's good and bad in all cultures, and we all need to be sharing the good, and letting go of the bad.
I have the same lower lip as the moderator. I'm fine with that
Everything that your blaming on the new generation was taught to them.
Shriver and Lott are correct. Censorship and freedom of speech are incompatible with art, whether the received "wisdom" is the political correctness today or the Christian dogmas of medieval Europe. But these are largely issues for those writers whose livelihood depend on mass publishing: the major NYC publishing houses, the magazines, the newspapers, and sometimes the electronic media. All forms of mass communication exact a price for sponsorship, part ideological and part economic. This video concerns the former.
I wish to comment on the economics of modern publishing. It is also stultifying for writers, and it is premised on the need for super-profits. The mass media serves a relatively low-brow audience and aims at massive sales to survive. Lionel Shriver, who I appreciate for her politics and clear analysis of stupidity, is nonetheless forced by publishing economics to write novels about controversial subjects and social problems that may appeal to a mass audience rather than explore the deeper themes of which she is capable.
Nothing written by Joseph Conrad or Leo Tolstoy or Jane Austen would be accepted by a NY publisher today. They simply don't appeal to a mass audience; the themes they explore are too subtle, the language too nuanced. The answer to that is, I think, regional publishing -- the deliberate cultivation of an audience that is not national in scope or niche publishing, which is not geographic at all. There is a market for better literature than NY and London is currently printing, but it can't be marketed to the masses and it must be predicated on a different economic model.
she is partly right about who Vs What you are, but disregards so much, race does matter in many contexts and shouldn't be an issue for one who puts priorities to that aspect. You can't apply those statements to animals why then us? listen to way of the world channel and Alternative Hypothesis channel and you'll see how ignorant her disregard is much like Sargons dismissal within the individualistic lens.
I have a feeling that libertarianism would only work in a society/country if the the average IQ/EQ were high! In countries with a low average IQ/EQ, high flown ideals and value systems don't seem to work.
So leftist ideology would only work if the IQ/EQ’s be higher or libertarianism in general??
I must disagree, libertarianism requires a strong social agreement. Any time there were any real disagreements on actions the system falls apart. Slavery for example. I say yes, you say no. There is no middle ground. I say its my libertarian right to purchase other humans as slaves and use them as I see fit. You say its the slaves libertarian right to not have to be a slave. There is no compromise in this arrangement. If you allow people to do what they want and purchase slaves then you are pro slavery which isn't very libertarian. If you are against slavery you are against allowing people the right to purchase others if they choose to do so, not very libertarian. Libertarian societies don't require high IQs they require everyone to be on the same socially engineered program.
I don't think that is right. When you disagree with lefties you get silenced. When you disagree with libertarians you are likely to become the center of attention. Anarchism, whether right or left, is a different matter. Most anarchists behave so badly when they disagree that I find myself wondering if there is a cop around. Antifa is led by anarcho-communists, and they are undoubtedly the worst.
It is possible that any system can work in a country with *a high average IQ;* Singapore, for example, has a market-based economy but the state owns the means of production; a mixed economy (not ideal, in my opinion, but it seems to work for them); they have an *average IQ of 108,* and if I'm not mistaken, citizens have a good quality of life and longevity is common and taken for granted. Japan also has a mixed economy that seemingly works for them; their *average IQ is 108,* and today it would seem they have a good quality of life; the *diversity* they do have in Japan (and in Singapore), is homogeneous diversity (in terms of IQ, ethics, social values etc.). *South Africa, by contrast,* has an *average IQ of 77* and is seemingly a *tyranny of the masses* "democracy" very similar to the Mugabe regime that turned that country into the *empty* "breadbasket of Africa" it is today; a country plundered to rubble! Everything is "free;" payed for by the main tax base (the persecuted and beleaguered minority), and the universities are seemingly packed to the rafters with people who feel that *"fees must fall,"* and *"science must fall,"* (please watch the video), and *difficult examination papers must fall* (they walked out of a philosophy exam - some of them had crib notes stuffed down their front - because they deemed the paper too difficult!). When the average IQ is low and the *masses* (it is interesting to note that *no connection* is made between *chronic poverty* and the astronomically high birth rate/population of the aggressively discontented masses), *vote for the government that promises to take over the means of production and to expropriate without compensation the land and property of the higher IQ group,* it is usually utter chaos and, predictably, a bloodbath: at one point in Zimbabwe, one farmer per week was being brutally murdered and flourishing farms and property were expropriated with carefree abandon by the government (all in the name of "the people" of course); Mugabe and his cronies were the only ones who benefitted from government sanctioned theft! Today in South Africa it is seemingly a rinse and repeat cycle taking place! Since 1994, an alleged 74 000 of the cowed and persecuted minority have been murdered, and one just has to watch the video *A Boer Widow Speaks Out About South African Farm Murders,* to see what happens in a country where bloodthirsty, low IQ predators roam the country with impunity! 74 000 murders of the minority was the point at which racial profiling of criminals was conveniently banned, so who know what the actual figure is today!
@@dansullivan0 Solid points! Just as it is essential, in an evolved and evolving society, to have freedom of artistic expression, freedom of speech, the right to disagree without being silenced, is also of paramount importance, and perhaps *emotional intelligence* is even more important than IQ when is comes to being able to see that. Similar to IQ, EQ is pretty much set in stone in adults! Those who want to control the behaviour of others, or to silence the opinions of those they disagree with, can have either high IQ or low IQ, because it's the EQ that is seemingly the problem! It is easy to get a bit lost here: it's proving difficult to get out of the IQ versus EQ maze, but if one breaks it down: high IQ with low emotional intelligence gives rise to Ted Bundy-type psychopaths, or those (some Chinese people - not all!), who torture dogs and animals before killing them because "it makes the meat more tasty," or those who slavishly follow a vengeful and bloodthirsty religion because they've created their God in their own image! The aforementioned don't necessarily suffer from low IQ! On the other hand, the opportunistic, criminal predators who roam the country with impunity and who prey on the vulnerable and persecuted minority in South Africa, especially vulnerable farmers and their families, and who frequently indulge in gratuitous violence by torturing their victims, sometimes for days on end, like a cat toying with a mouse before biting its head off, are perhaps on the low IQ/EQ spectrum! They also prey on their own people, perhaps because of proximity, and have sent the intra-racial rape and violent crime stats of the country through the roof!