The Death of HyperV
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- HyperV is going away .
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This was taken a bit out of context from a livestream a couple points to add:
Hyperv Server 2019 Free is the last standalone version being offered (Support to 2029)
HyperV role can still be added in Server 2022
Some of CPU Scheduling changes in Windows 11 make putting it on workstation boxes a bit worse
It's not dead, but there is a BIG push to get it off on-prem and to leverage the use of hybrid setups using Microsoft Azure Stack HCI
A bit more to elaborate on than a 2 minute video, but will give people a good place to understand the context surrounding this clip.
Isn't Windows Subsystem for Linux and Windows Subsystem for Android now dependent on Hyper-V? Hard to get rid of it then.
Hyper-V will go nowhere.
In Europe, many companies are migrating to HyperV since VMware...
Hyper V still seems like it's being used a lot in Gov, EDU, Non-Profit, and in the MSP space. It's easy to install a windows server on a client site, stand up a domain controller VM and a few other VMs. Snapshots are a life saver. Like you said, the license is paid for just flip on the feature. Sometimes even an extra $700-$900 to dip your toe into vsphere is just out of the realm of what the budget is allocated for.
Shame because Hyper-V is the only way I know you can emulate Windows with 3D acceleration without having to buy an enterprise-grade graphics card and Windows VMs runs great out of the box
You can pass-through a second graphics card to a Windows KVM VM on Linux.
@@milohoffman274 I know, but you don't need an extra graphics card with Hyper-V
@@milohoffman274 you can even do it with a single card
@@shallex5744 On Linux you can do the same thing.. just ssh into guest vm..
You don't know what you don't know
HyperV will never be deprecated. It's supported all the way through 2029 as some other people here have already said.
Like centos was?
@@thatmg CentOS wasn't something that you needed licenses for. HyperV is different. If a Windows Server license ensures that HyperV will be supported until 2029 or longer, then that will be the case. Period. And with that, the support for HyperV on clients (Windows 10 Professional for example) is also guaranteed.
Microsoft uses HyperV as the hypervisor for the Xbox OS and parts of Windows internally, IIRC. It might move to just an internal tool instead of a user available hypervisor
you mean deprecated
came here to say this lmao
Also came here to say this
Thanks... I can't spell for shit
Omg so triggered lol
I think WSL2 uses Hyper-V under the covers. But you're right you don't see much emphasis on Hyper-V as an end-user VM solution
WSL2 and docker for Windows as well.
Docker on Windows is not a container but a full VM with docker instaled on top.
@@mercuriete good point. I'd forgotten about docker on Windows. And by forgotten I mean purposely erased from my mind because it's so painful :P
@@mercuriete Docker on Windows as in Docker Desktop? That one has WSL2 integration actually, it just uses a WSL2 distro then. For Linux containers that is.
@@cheebadigga4092 yes, even if you use the docker wsl2 integration, wsl2 is a small VM. RAM is fixed, no ballon driver.
Windows server 2022 includes Hyper-V and may be supported well beyond 2030. Hyper-V is also a key component of Azure Stack HCI. Hyper-v is here to stay.
This video is ironic. My firm just switched from VMWare to Hyper-V and Citrix to Terminal server. The licensing is easier and less expensive. According to our sysadmins it is easier to maintain. As a software developer, I don't use Windows so this doesn't impact me but I don't see a future for VMWare after the licensing changes they made to ESXi recently
That’s exactly what we observe as a Systemintegrator
Microsoft was very clear in the launch of Windows Server 2025 that Hyper V is a core strategic investment for them.
Hyper V is actually really useful in data recovery, got a software license buried in a dead machine? Boot it in hyper V on another machine give it a network and you can deactivate the seat as well and access network resources to offload whatever and all that in less then 10 minutes
Hyper-V 2019 is supported until 2029, so how do you figure 2025 and what is Azure going to use instead?
VMWare license fee is going WAY up. My Org is planning for Hyper-V going forward, and moving scheduling the move of existing VMs from now to the end of our VMWare license.
VMWare usage is starting to slowly back off in my small sample size. If we hadn't just done a long term agreement before the broadcom changes I would've shopped around more seriously. I use hyper-v in my small personal production space. It works great. The over head is a problem but often overstated. Running Server'22
It'll probably become one of those old buried features in Windows like software RAID where people will use it for learning/lab but not really something you should be doing on Windows. One of those, "yeah, Windows can do that, but you really shouldn't use it for anything important" features. Either that, or they'll just strip it down and rebuild what they want specifically for WSL3 (or what ever new name they want) for running Linux on Windows.
Yeah, btw... Software RAID is recommended to be used nowadays.
@@krasimirrangelov1767 But not on Windows. Software RAID is better left to a Linux/BSD type system. It's not something Windows can do very well.
Just because it can technically make it work, it doesn't mean you should do it. There will always be someone out there who will say "it worked for me", but on multiple bare metal Windows servers, software RAID has never been reliable for me. I've had updates break it and corrupt volumes to just random stuff happening to it where I just cannot recommend anybody use it on a production system where data is important to keep.
Sure, one should always have backups, but the downtime for rebuilding the Windows system and recreating your software RAID and re-patching it and then eventually restoring the data is just too much time wasted.
I'll use it on Linux and BSD systems and other proven systems where it's known to be reliable, but not on Windows.
Using Hyper-V on windows is kinda a take it and give away in the same time.
Android emulators like ldplayer and bluestacks stop working when I use hyper-v.
Also linux in vmware become alot slower when hyperv is on.
The only thing hyperv allows me to do is WSL
Overall hyperv is prob only for better security
I recently (like a month ago?) tried many different VM solutions on Windows because I was checking out NixOS, and only HyperV and VirtualBox had decent performance with no big problems. VMWare was just a slow crawl and I had issues with input lag. And yes, the VMWare license cost is a downside if/when I ever want to use it at work. That's a big part why I was happy that HyperV worked good enough.
VMware ESXi was slow?
@@John7No Considering VirtualBox was mentioned, they probably meant VMWare workstation.
@@Andre.A.C.Oliveira oh ok, my mind went to esxi , and I though if esxi was slow then we are dead :D
Proxmox, is the best.
@@John7No Sorry, a bit slow with the replies. Yeah, was talking about VMWare Workstation. I think it's some stupid interaction with the Windows virtualization platform used by WSL2 that is causing trouble, but haven't been able to solve it just yet.
Doesn't WSL rely on Hyper-V ?
WSL 2 is a VM which I assume is Hyper-V so Hyper-V as a technology will not go anywhere.
Especially because Microsoft tried the emulation route with WSL 1 and decided to switch to VMs.
Maybe the licensing model for Hyper-V and explicit management of Hyper-V will change but even that I doubt.
Proxmox and or KVM and or QEMU on ZFS is the way for professionals providing virtualisation for clients.
Dude........ Hyper-V is used alot. Windows Servers/Business......... you spool up a DC in one, TS in another...... boom business running. Very easy to move, recover from and get running again can fresh install anything Win10,11,Server....... bootup the hyper-v and away you go again. Much easier to work with then the majority of competing products.
HyperV (as a hypervisor) can be added as a feature even in Windows Server 2022,
you can create a Core setup and then add the HyperV feature on top.
It will not be available as a standalone download though.
And yes with the latest Windows Server versions, you will a need license, which you will already have anyways.
Previous HyperV (hypervisor) versions could be installed without any license at all!
Companies try to push cloud and subscription usage on servers.
For a windows environment familiar admin, hyperV is still a viable and reliable solution and will follow future Server versions.. Microsoft is loyal to backward compatibility...
I used HyperV recently, not knowing anything about VMs to install Linux and get back on it to relearn it. Thought it was simple enough and it worked well enough for me. What's a good alternative you would recommend (free)? I have AMD both CPU and GPU if that matters at all.
proxmox is a open source solution and is very good. bit of a learning curve. it also is a bare metal hypervisor so you need a dedicated PC. if you want to use VMs on your main PC, stick with HyperV. Its faster then all the other solutions out there under windows and comes with windows.
@@gamingthunder6305 Thank you!
With the recent vmware pricing increase of from 200% to 1200% a lot of people are looking to move to Hyper-V...
WSL2, WSA and Docker works on top of Hyper-V VMs.
IMHO, I think you are wrong on this statement.
We need to invent soft containers on Windows like docker on Linux does... And then deprecate the only system that Windows have for isolation.
BTW I use Gentoo.
"Soft containers" on Windows do already exist. Windows Containers.
You can choose to use Windows containers with Docker Desktop already.
@@PhilipLon7 Windows containers are for Windows applications.
Nowadays nobody is delivering applications using IIS or any other server.
Even Microsoft is offering dotnetcore to serve MS technologies on top of Linux.
The point about this topic is MS is never going to deprecate hyperV because everybody is using WSL2.
Yeah... this didn't age well. Lots of new features coming to Hyper-V in Server 2025, Microsoft put out a blog talking about the future of hyper-v being bright! The only thing they have discontinued is the stand-alone free Hyper-V server, just like VMWare did with ESXI.
I really wonder what Azure runs on? I doubt it's Hyper-V or Windows for that matter.
I did some digging, Azure of course runs on Ubuntu :-) Several of the Azure Supercomputers are on the Top500 list.
It’s not. If you develop with docker it’s required so it far from dead
Seems like I read about a new vulnerability in VMWARE monthly. Not saying Hyper-V is bullet proof, but it sure seems less of a target.
MS must need more resources for their widget app or something...
lol... a video that didn't age well :)
Pretty much everything said is either wrong or just completely misinformed.
Hmmm, I wouldn’t say no one uses it, Azure runs on it.
My guess would be a continual push to their cloud offerings (windows 365 as an example)
I wish MS embraced qemu, and turned hyperv just into driver, like kvm on GNU/Linux
you can use QEMU with hyper-v actually, with the -accel whpx flag
wtf are you talking about Hyper-V is not going anywhere...
nobody chooses hyperV... i did... its easy and straight-forward..
i literally run pihole on ubuntu under hyperV on win11....
Damn, had good performance advantages over Virtualbox
I disagree.... HyperV is a quick way to have a VM on a Windows box.... I personally use HyperV on my Windows boxes and for my Linux KVM/QEMU. I think it will continue to exist...
I disagree from an it service providers perspective. Because of increase in VMware licensingfees we have a lot of customers which are migrating from vsphere clusters to hyperv s2d clusters.
Vm in Azure Virtual Desktop
Hyper v is going nowhere and is still under active development 😂
I was never really able to figure out if their are similarly performance alternatives available for free on Windows? So far I have only seen people talk about a paid VMware one I believe and HyperV.
WSL theoretically has most of the same features, but does not seem designed to spin up a full desktop at all.
Unless their is some way to get QEMU to interact with whatever type 1 is installed on windows.
WSL 2 is just a hidden Hyper-V VM with some special sauce like pre defined mounts and network config.
@@NOX-ID47 my understanding is you need to install like xorg on your host to get a gui. I can definitely confirm that in hyperV, you get a gui experience out of the box. Does this mean you cannot even run Wayland stuff? Or can you get wayland to run on top of Windows X-server? Or is their a windows wayland server? It
is not the same at all as using a real full virtual machine.
@@wisnoskij You need to setup WSLg, the following quote from their documentation indicates it supports both X11 and Wayland.
"WSLg is short for Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI and the purpose of the project is to enable support for running Linux GUI applications (X11 and Wayland) on Windows in a fully integrated desktop experience."
It's basically an RDP connection.
@@NOX-ID47 my understanding is that WSLg actually uses a Wayland compositor as its backend and will get in the way of trying to render any sort of desktop because you cannot run two Wayland compositors at the same time. Windows X Server seems more compatible with this sort of usecase. But it is all so confusing when a real VM manager just works out of the box.
KVM or go home
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Have to disagree... Hyper-V and KVM are the top. Look a the top three cloud providers and these are what are used. Other hypervisors are fighting for relevancy including vmware.
Never tried VMware, I just use qemu for a basic windows server + win10 client lab. I used hyperv for about a year but didn't really like it.
I use hyper-v on a daily basis on my workstation. Combined with automatedlab to build lab environments. If you happen to know a tool with the same functionality I’ll be willing to switch to Ubuntu with qemu or VMware workstation on top of Windows.
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Hyper-V is OK for testing or non-critical functions but does not come close to being an up-to-date enterprise solution.
I have been using XCP-NG. I refuse to use proxmox and cannot get a vmware license.
Proxmox which is on par with vmWare. vmWare has lost market shares to Proxmox.