Red X 's Identity REVEALED! [Teen Titans]
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At long last, the identity of Red X from Teen Titans has finally been revealed... sort of.
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Tags: #TeenTitans #Robin #Batman
No. We don't know who the third Red X is either.
Do you kind of wish they used this opportunity to bring more diversity into the dc comic universe? Like to be honest i feel like red x being african american or mexican maybe even indian because we have less Indian characters would be better than another caucasian character with red hair
But what are your thoughts
It’s Billy Postlethwaite
@@leopardtree2249 Deep.
@@leopardtree2249 ....except if it was handled the same way, that would've looked bad revealing that the minority character was the bad guy and then killing them off.
perhaps the real identity of red x was the friends we made along the way
The real friends were the Red Xs we made along the way.
Lmfao...Legendary sir!
That dont make sence
He’s a anti hero who kill people, sounds like all my friends! XD
@@Syahkydidit not with that attitude
Honestly, I think keeping the identity of Red X ( the one from the show) as a secret FOREVER, is pretty cool. Sometimes, we don't know all of the answers, and I think that's okay in this context.
It’s like Yoda’s species or Joker’s real name. It’s better if it’s unknown
Solve for X, but there is no cheat sheet
I agree, but i love the idea of Jason Todd as Red X
@@DogsAreTheBest312
Waiting for the Jackasses to claim that Joker's name is "Jack Napier" and Yoda is a "Tridactyl"
"Jack Napier" is the name of Joker in a small number of universes, but there's more universes where Jack Napier is a fake name for the Joker
"Tridactyl" would be the scientific name for "3 fingers/toes". It's not used in official Star Wars media. Only by fans
True we don't need to know. And well I believe the writers don't know.
You see? He gives you the answer straight up, and then when you don't know who it is he goes into detail about the entire storyline. I'm glad that we don't have to go through 10 minutes to actually get a straight answer, and the way he revealed it makes me interested in what the storyline was so now I watch the whole video. It's just so refreshing to see people do things differently for once
I have respect for my viewers. :)
@@ComicDrake I definitely appreciate that. And I definitely appreciate you keeping it interesting. You just got a new subscriber and I'm going to check out what else you got cuz I always did wonder who Red X was after Robin 😎
I do like the idea of multiple Red X's. Where each of the Robin's use it at some point when they have to do "villainous" acts. Each of them having a different personality within the Red X suit.
Similar to red hood
They used that idea up on the 3 jokers.
That's what Matches Malone and his hoard of children are for.
@@lord_bobanewname4069 i always had this headcanon that despite jason todd being the black sheep of the batfamily all the robins while never saying it or fully condoning them emotionally understand jason's cold blooded logic towards crime. The red X persona basically being the red hood path for every robin in the future
Kinda like Post Crisis Red Robin. Jason used it first and then Tim took the name when he had to do things he thought "Robin" shouldn't.
Pettirosso is also Italian for Robin lol. He’s Brick, thinking himself Dick’s son, with Robin as a surname. They set up the entire answer to the mystery in the first issue, it’s pretty great.
Wow! The more you know.
OMG it's all just a joke, they never took it seriously.
Somewhere there's a writer's bar and the guys from DC are cracking up while buying the place a round over that chicanery.
Bruh
Yeah, but that also made me wonder why. DC has been careful to make sure Dick doesn't go over 30. And we have this problem of having known Dick Grayson since he was like, 7.
Basically that "having known Dick Grayson since he was 7" is why a lot of Didio-era and post-Didio takes on him are so cursed. Including claiming there was some Mystery Girl in his past when he was just that young.
My head cannon was that red x was a clone of Robin. Maybe created by Cadmus or Slade but it makes sense because he had the exact same voice actor. He knew how to get the suit from the locks and the Titan Tower And he would always make comments on Starfire and they were the exact same height and they fought the exact same way. Who else could it have been?
I always thought it was Calvin Rose. A couple of years older than Robin. Escaped from court of owls, originally belonged to a circus. He was killed and then revived by the lazarus pit. After that he has completely disappeared so I think he would have take the Red X persona to hide his activities.
I always thought it was their version of Jason Todd.
@@paulgreen3030 that’s what I prefer to believe.
Who else it could have been Jason Todd (the only thing that doesn’t really make sense is the comment about Starfire)
@@Pwilliams4000 That's what I'm saying if it's a clone of Robin He probably also has an interest in Starfire
The other thing that feels a bit contrived is Red X-2 targeting Nightwing, given that the two separated on a relatively neutral note and mutual respect in the original iteration. For Red X-2 to hate Nightwing and Batman so much that he'd viciously kill his own pupil just to unsettle Nightwing feels so out of character for the mysterious and egocentric, yet cool and collected, rogue whom we had been introduced to so long ago.
The comic red x is fan fiction. Only the cartoon version matters
Well remember x-2 would be the comic version of whoever red x in the show is. And there is a comic book character who fits this Grant Wilson
@@kaison12205 Honestly that would work quite well, Grant OR a long lost son since Grant died which is why Slade even had beef with the Titans at all (unless thats been retconned.)
@@Jakehatred666 there are enough ways to bs resurrection
@@kaison12205 naturally but its progressively more and more cheap every time they use it as a literary device but I guess so is a long lost kid haha
Well that was.... underwhelming. There were so many cool theories and hypothesis on who he could be. I personally thought he was a defective clone of Dick Grayson made by Deathstroke since he wanted an apprentice in the episode "Apprentice." The clone idea sort of explains why he has the same voice, similar skills, the whole:
"I thought you didn't like being the hero"
"Doesn't mean I don't know how"
Exchange. I guess that's what happens when you set your hopes too high.
Literally nothing could live up to expectation, I mean it's a nearly twenty year old mystery and nothing could live up to it. But it was regardless underwhelming
It's still a mystery though.
Brick isn't the true Red X he was his protégé.
Is this set in the animated show’s canon? I thought Red X in the comics is just another version of the character?
You do know the second red x is still a mystery.
How I felt about three jokers
I'm really glad that this character from the original Teen Titans series was able to make the up to the made stream DC Comics. I think Red X is the only character from the Teen Titans animated series to make a appearance in the comics.
Kinda makes me want to see Kitten (Killer Moth's Daughter from the animated series) make an appearance in the comics.
Killer moth gang will love it
iirc cinderblock got a comic cameo or two but yeah not much from the show is in the comics iirc lol
Silky’s in there, if you want to count that.
Technically Kitten is in the comics, the teen titans go comic (no relation to the cartoon, it was a tie in to the cartoon) had her appear again only she was swapping her story on WHO her dad was, which means Kitten is the cartoons version of pre-new 52 Duela Dent, who instead of being an offensive grimdark mentally ill joker fangirl, was a manipulative teen daughter of another universes joker who constantly claimed to be the daughter of various villians.
Kitten actually kinda reminds me of the Joker's Daughter. Or Tarantula, if you want to de-Bowdlerize it.
My theory was that there really wasn’t anyone under the mask. Teen Titans tried to actively avoid DC lore and origins of their characters usually. They’re just robot, animal man, witch, alien, and . They did break this rule many times over the course of the series, yes. Most notably Raven and beast boy who both had whole arcs centred around their past. But it’s very clear that their stance is making a fun character and dealing with everything else later. So by that extension, who was under the mask didn’t matter because his character was the mysterious antihero.
So basically the suit gain a conscious and decided to be an anti-hero
@@ultraomenmurat9937 no no. More like they never had anyone planned from the get go.
@@frogmouth2robin said he had it locked up so I assumed it would be somebody clever, I also thought it would be a great time to include speedy in an episode as he actually gave robin a good fight, but I guess I was wrong
I feel like Red X's identity should be similar to the Joker's in which people don't know the actual history of the original, but other authors can create 'what if' scenarios about the character's origins.
Wdym the jokers backstory got revealed multiple times
@@EpikEgg9048 That's actually part of the point! His backstory has been told in multiple conflicting ways, to the point that there isn't a clear "true backstory" for the character. Certain continuities might land on a version for their story, but the main continuity has always been loosey-goosey on what story is the truth.
The funny thing is that I work at Chevron and the voice actor for Robin (Scott Menville) comes to my station every now and then, and I did ask him if he knew who Red X is, and yeah, even he didnt know. The production team never revealed any of that info to him and the other actor. By the way, Scott is such a cool and chill dude. Always happy to see him and talk about comics and shows. Lol
I still believe in the theory that Red X is Grant Wilson, Slade’s first born son A.K.A. The First Ravager. They introduced Rose Wilson as Ravager in the Teen Titans’ show comic, but never Grant, so it would be an interesting way to reintroduce him to the series, either by the help of a times gadget in his heart that reenergized his heart and increase his adrenaline to give him a second wind, or him being a clone after death, or resurrected by science or the way of Jason Todd.
Either way, I like that idea, because it would bring him back into continuity and it would explain Red X’s fixation of Robin, since I’m pretty sure Grant hates him the most.
That’s great theory grant Wilson I think he’s former sidekick like red arrow from young justice who use be hero but went Rogue they didn’t like hypocrisy of being hero just like catwoman whos anti hero
>Be the TTA writers
>introduce beloved mystery character
>don’t do much with him other than “ooooo who is he hehehe”
>reveal his identity as some complete nobody who uses the name even though his unnamed mentor also uses the title
>surprised as to why people do not care in the slightest about his death
Personally I stayed away from the new comics due to caution of the whole identity problem. I always liked the idea that Red-X was just an honorable thief whose ID didn't really matter. I never liked the theory of Jason Todd due to Red-X calling Dick 'kid' since Dick would be older than Jay; _that_ and Jason Todd, at the time of Red-X's creation, wasn't Red Hood and hadn't yet returned from his character death. I orginally liked the theory of Grant Wilson being the real Red-X, but this doesn't work for me entirely since X points out that he knows how to be a hero. Of course, he could just mean that he knows generally rather than intimately. Recently, I've preferred the theory of Red-X being a one-off character similar to Lance Bruner. Lance appeared in a single issue way back when where Bruce took the kid in for reasons too weak to really repeat. The kid was trouble from the start and, at some point, stole the Robin uniform in some half baked plot to sell Batman's identity. My reasoning for bringing up this odd little random is because Lance's impersonation of Robin was so convincing that even Batman couldn't tell the difference between he and Dick. And that's my incredibly weird explanation for why Robin and X have the same voice actor. Or, I don't know, X could just be an honorable no-name thief who's out for number one.
THAT would be so much better than Jay being Red X even in the cartoon...
Grant, Odd little random kid, ANYONE..
I mean there’s reason Jason sees dick as a kid and not himself Jason raised himself on the streets of Gotham dick had a very good family structure then Batman took him in if it was Jason he’d be calling dick kid mockingly
I would say lance but there’s two reasons why that wouldn’t work, the second red x was shown as an adult in the issue with brick (but lance died as a teen), and the red x (second one) in the TT has electrokenesis but lance doesn’t
@@letemknowdae My analysis of the Red-X character does not stem from the comics. I state that I have stayed away from them because I'm certain I will be disappointed. But, hey, you did comment, so here I go; your first reason can easily be explained: DC, as well as other comic companies & series, often do reboots or crises to restart the stories often for either younger or newer readers or because the storylines are so dang confusing that even the writers are messing it up. Lance Bruner has only had _one_ single issue back before any crisis to my knowledge. IF Red-X is Lance Bruner, then this could be the new continuity for him. This same explanation can be used for the cartoon as well. Your second reason ties back into my initial statements over my analysis of his potential identity. Cartoon Red-X never had known powers - he didn't need them and it is pointless to give them to him. However, this powered version could always be simply another pretender and the true version either doesn't exist in that timeline/world or is out of the game for whatever reason. I'd call this last bit of reasoning denial if I actually cared about the Red-X comics. I care about the original version though. I should point out, your comment further proves my initial assessment; Red-X should have stayed as an 'honorable no-name thief who's out for number one.'
@@J__T my bad about the comics thing; I won’t mention them, but from my second point, the cartoon TT 2nd red x has electricity/energy based powers u see that in their first fight with the titan’s, I originally thought it was just technology like the teleportation belt, but sense he stole the suit I don’t think he implemented electricity/energy abilities in the suit on short notice, plus 2nd red x shoots beams of energy at starfire and also uses electricity based powers against robin after robin smashes his head in the wall too
I Honestly love the theories back then where people believed red hood was Red X. Which is perfect since you could just say, This was a time were Jason was figuring out what identity to go by which would of work perfectly in the comics or the show.🐱
Meh way to obvious
Read the fanfiction 'Red X' series on AO3 by ilovelegendsalot. It is the best Red X series I have found and it has Jason being Red X. The whole thing is very well thought out and well written. I highly recommend it for any fan.
@@cngotham4111 its only obvious NOW, red X came put before Under the Redhood it makes perfect sense
@@osmandiaz8274 not really RED x RED hood. Both had skills like robin and both act cocky. All of these things are connections way before under the red hood. Heck why would under the red hood make people think he's red x? To me it was because the characters acted alot alike darker versions of robin who are cocky and with the word red in their name. Like I said it was way to obvious. I much prefer the clone theory.
@@cngotham4111 nah clone would be boring because than either that guys going to die now or he's going to become a new Robin down the line , if he's Redhood we get a chance to look into the time that redhood was missing for which has never been fully explained
I was IMMENSELY disappointed in the whole Red X thing. It was indeed the only reason why I picked up the stories, and the teasers were pretty amazing.
What I didn't get though was that there were moments where some people apparently knew who Red X was, then others who didn't. For some reason Cyborg and Beast Boy had become one.
It was a messy slip and slide, to the point that I felt like I had whiplash after reading a few issues alone.
I'd also LOVE a video about Gotham Academy if I'm honest. Show off how a book involving a school, and brand new characters which have some weird relation to other characters, and have it done right.
Read the fanfiction series 'Red X' on AO3 by ilovelegendsalot. It is the best fic I have found on Red X. It has Jason as X and it is super well written and thought out. I recommend it for any fan. One of my favorite DC fics I have found.
I’m IMMENSELY disappointed too.
I appreciate you for satisfying our curiosity literally within the first minute of the video and not bullshitting us. gave a like and stayed for the rest
Should have been Jason change my mind
I never clicked on a video so quick in my life this is the moment I’ve been waiting for!!!
Whenever I think of a "super hero school", the X-Men's "Xavier Academy" comes to mind. To me, that's the template of how a "school for the gifted" should be handled. And with their ever-expanding roster of characters, I think that's a concept they should always incorporate w/ their stories. As far as Red X's identity is concerned, I think it should remain a mystery (especially if they come up w/ half-baked stories like this), because that's pretty much the most interesting thing about him. I fear that DC is going to do the whole Joker-thing, & make a bunch of characters w/ the same name & poorly try to explain a few of their lame backstories. To me, doing that just cheapens the original character. While I think it's rather lazy writing to create a character, but never give them a legit backstory, I prefer that for maybe 1 or 2 characters, instead of giving them multiple "questionable" histories and/or "copycats". And I've always hated stories where they just create characters, hype them up, simply to kill them off & their deaths really don't matter much (outside of a possible resurrection of some sort).
I LOVED the Teen Titans show back in the day, and always thought Red X was such an interesting character with such a cool design. It was nice that they brought him back in the show and wasn't just a 1 off character. The show version of his is such a great mystery. And Titans Academy kind of shows why keeping it a secret is for the best.
Still, it is great that they brought him into the comics anyway.
Gotham Academy is worth it for Map's alone, I'm glad she's gotten more attention recently. Also, Marvel's Strange Academy does the boarding school thing really well, and y'know Dr Strange and Wanda are kinda a thing right now!
Fake news
Oh one thing people often miss is that the second Red X seems to be a metahuman that can teleport based on what Dick says in Teen Titans Academy #13 iirc.
Didn't Red X teleport thanks to his belt?
@@fm_0523 In the show yeah.
For the comic, it shows him teleport with some tech on his wrist. (timestamp at 8:38)
Almost two decades, we finally know who Red X is! Even though he's not a known guy, I prefer that way. Red X is his own character after all
First off great pfp.
Secondly that whole reveal is clickbait cuz the 2nd Red X is the one who's identity has been a secret for 2 decades,not brick.
Brick just took up the mantle
Nope it's still a secret this isnt the same red x
Except not really. Turns out there are four Red X's.
🦇 No! That's not possible!
❌ Keep at it, you'll never guess.
@@jonbrewer297 Another Three Jokers Situation?
@@mitchellalexander9162 Well, the fact that I quoted Batman when he learned there were three Jokers...
Most of us of course figured out that it was Golden Age, Silver Age, and Bronze Age/Dark Age/Modern, because the Silver Age Joker is so unlike the others.
The upfront answer was refreshing. Thank you
Part of the charm of Red X is that you don't know who he is. Just keep his identity a mistery.
regarding the original Red X from the TT cartoon, Glen Murakami has said in interviews that he has someone in mind as to who Red X's true identity is....but he also thinks that the entire point of the character in the show is that you DON'T know who he is.
Thus, he's basically never, ever going to reveal who Red X is. Man's going to keep that secret to his grave lmao
While reading TTA, I actually really loved all the focus on the new younger characters. Most if not all of them had great potential. I know I'm not the only one either, but there was also a vocal minority really hating on the book for now focusing on the classic Titans. I think the writers ultimately tried to juggle too many thing (new gen, old gen, and Red X) to really flesh out anything.
I found the only part of the series that really worked was when the actual students having weird adventures was front and center and not the main plot stuff or the Senior Titans doing whatever
Yeah Stitch and Gorilla Gregg are pretty over from what I know
Chupacabra Supremacy
Still, TTA need to get their shit together and treat the senior titans as secondary
“Don’t half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing”-Comic Drake, 2022
It’s crazy that they turned the second red x from a anti-hero/thief to a straight up villain
That is in fact wild
Wait. So there are four Red X's. We know who 1 and 4 are, we get the history behind 2, but what about the third guy?
Yeah I was hoping he mentioned the third one, but now I'm comfused.
I guess the question now is, Who is Red X III? What happened to him? My guess is it was likely Jason briefly so they can have their cake and eat it too. Get the Jason Todd "Reveal" but still keep Red X II's identity a secret.
Yeah I was wondering that too.
Red X I = Dick Grayson/Robin I/Nightwing
Red X II = Unknown guy from Teen Titans cartoon
Red X IV = Brick Pettirosso
But who's Red X III?
I doubt it's Jason cause this other Red X looks so buffed..
@@modmaker7617 nanaki
Red X III as someone else mentioned is the one from New Teen Titans (Shorts)
A great example of starting small and ramping up the scale of the threats is Young Justice the show, it’s not perfect in handling the more complex plots but I feel like these comic writers could have taken notes to make a great young heroes centric storyline.
“Don’t half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing.”
-Comic Drake, 2022
~_~
You’re lying? Tell me you’re lying. Dude I’m 21 with a wife and two kids now and this is the happiest day of my life.
Wait what the fuck is Brick?
MAPS! Please do a Gotham Acadamy video, the characters within it are so well developed, it's such a fantastic series. Plus I want more people to meet Maps; she's a giant ball of mystery solving energy. She's also been seen in Detective Comics
Paris Alleyne did some art of Maps as Robin with Cassandra Cain as Batman on Twitter, and Kelly Thompson was very interested in writing that book. I'd pick it up in a heartbeat
They should never reveal the identity of Red X from the show unless they make another proper season. Loved the video as always and gotta say, your hair looks really good in this one!
Exactly.
The part that's disappointing isn't that its someone I've never heard of, but that it was the identity of some random 4th Red X and not the identity of the guy who stole it from Robin/Nightwing in the first place.
Defeats the entire purpose imo. Why even bother? Just keep it a mystery and not have 3 and 4 red x. Makes no sense to have this many. Just leave it at 2. Plus red x never came off as a straight up villain...so making him evil...just kills the remote idea of a possible good anti-hero
@@LuciferArc1 mhm. A fully murderous/evil Red X doesn't seem right at all. I was really bummed out by this take. It also rules out Red X being a Dick Grayson Robin (a clone or future self [perhaps a manipulated one or one who went back in time to help Robin out]) since those would be great redemption material. Honestly would have loved him to be a good anti hero if the show was ever continued.
@@hat_sauce3846 I agree. Heck they could have played with the idea of him being a rival for Red Hood or something. So much you could do with this character but villain just doesn't suit him imo
thats why Strange Academy is the best teen school book recently.
I think at this point, everyone knows that Teen Titans Academy was DC's attempt at making their own version of Strange Academy after seeing the success that story had, yet failed to do so.
And it's not like the whole "too many characters being introduced" argument can be used here, since Strange Academy introduced the main 9 to 12 students that we would follow since issue one and it did a better job at making the readers care for at least half of them than this book did in eight numbers
@@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 Exactly Like strange academy makes everything feel natural for the school environment characters are good although some are worse than others, and the character design in strange academy is a bigger seller too.
I was really hoping it’d be Jason Todd.
I thought it was in the teen titans animation
@@Xaforn I like to pretend it is. Dc comics and the animated universe despite being very very identical are two different things. So we could get two of the exact same universe and different at once.
I have a problem that Dick, from the comics, has been Red-X like in the cartoon. In the cartoon, Robin was more serious and obsessed with catching Slade. That attitude is not consistent with the Dick of the comics, especially in the days of New Teen Titans. This Dick, like Robin, wouldn't do anything to infiltrate a criminal organization without telling his friends of his plan. If they had said Red-X was an alias used by Tim or Damian, that would have made more sense.
There is also the problem that the Red-X II is more or less a copy of Deathstroke or Wrath, when in the cartoon he was a thief with a neutral alignment. He wasn't interested in revenge, just stealing things.
Yeah, for comics, Tim creating the Red-X persona makes more sense
Oh btw teen titan cartoon (classic one) Robin is actually Damian Robin cause its been hinted when slade took Robin as his apprentice and made a comment about being his father figure.
@@messageinthebottle1673 Damian Wayne was introduced in 2006... the show predates his introduction, that and Starfire being with Robin is usually a Dick thing.
@@Kiwaloayo mmmmm didn't thought about the date 🤔 reason why I came to that conclusion is because the show never give any details about Robin origins or background only "hints" and one of those hints was referring to batman when slade commented on how Robin might see himself (slade) as father figure.
@@messageinthebottle1673 I see you. But there is a episode where Starfire move to the future, and Robin became Nightwing. Nightwing is mainly a Dick Grayson thing, so it does add up.
Me and Korath 0:52 had the exact same reaction and phrase at the exact same time when Red X's Identity was revealed
Gotham Academy was so good. I wish it was more popular. It deserves way more love.
It was the most underwhelming unmasking
So... if Brick is the 4th Red X, and Red X 2 is the unknown Red X is from the show.... Who is the third Red X? And where even is the third Red X?
Dick is the first red x
Red x 2 is from the show
Red x 3 is red x2 from the comics
And red x4 is red x3 that is brick
Thats my gues anyway
can also recommend strange academy for the boarding school vibes
honestly, if this was in cartoon/animation format instead of just still images in a comic book, i think it would be way more appealing and/or nice. something about the way its presented in the comics makes it lose a lot of the possible magic there could be; and the idea of that story playing out but in the way the teen titans show (or any animated DC film) would normally do feels more right to me.
So far we know that nobody knows who the True X… That is absolutely brilliant.
It make a mark while honoring the mantle.
But we don’t know who the next Red X. How do we know you aren’t actually Red X and your just telling us info just to convince us about the mantle.
Was surprised you mentioned Gotham Academy. It was one of the comic runs the pulled me back to reading the medium and I highly recommend for more people to read it.
The worst crime of this Academy stuff is that it cut off in their tracks the 2016 Teen Titans run that was starting to get very good.
Agreed….Gotham Academy WAS great. Definitely worth getting more attention so I hope you do do a video about it some day.
You are right. I wouldn't want to sit through 10 mins of video to get the answer at the end and i appreciate the respect you have for my time
To show that i respect yours, I'll watch the whole thing, leave a like and subscribe.
Honestly? Quoting BB
"I still think you are Jason Todd".
I imagine Jason either survived his Joker incident in the TT universe or again, he was revived with the Lazarus pit. And the whole stealing the Red X suit and powering it was just a step in some kind of vengeance plan we never got to see fully realize for Jason.
I always assumed that Red X in the show was a robot Slade created just to mess with the Titans.
Red X II: “You're the abandoned son of Dick Grayson"
Dick Grayson: *is 26 years old*
The math really isn't mathing there, how did Brick ever believe this blatant lie
tbf, batman has a 26 year old adopted son yet the writers wanna make us believe that batman is still 28. also, in some continuities, grayson lost his v-card at like 14
Oliver Queen was around 35 years old with over 21 years old Roy Harper and Connor Hawke.
@Will N oh yeah I forgot Death Metal's wonky ass “everythimg happened" rule, honestly the timeline is easily trackable enough that that isn't even necessary (if you know how old Dick was relative to his becoming Robin and how long Bruce was Batman and how old he was then, and give Batman the general age of 45 in the present day, Dick would be 26, Jason would be 21, Tim would be 18, obviously Damian is 13-14 since his age is one of the few that's explicitly stated several times) I think it works well when you break it down that way.
To be honest, I would assume that Dick and the Original Titans (60s, Titans West, and New Teen Titans) would be in their mid-forties (specifically, around 45 years old in 2022), causing the three generations of Titans (60s, Titans West, and New Teen Titans as the first generation of Titans; Dan Jurgens version and Young Justice as the second generation of Titans; and New 52, Rebirth, Post-Rebirth, and Infinite Frontier as the third generation of Titans) to be active for 32 years in sliding time between their formation in 1964 and the present day in 2022.
@@demonteprice5870 in my headcanon, Bruce would be 62, Dick would be 45, Jason would be 39, Tim and Stephanie would be 34, and Damien would be 22.
It would be great for a series of issues of nightwing to be about him dealing with Red X and having other members of the bat family help him in order to stop whatever red x is planing
You know, I really appreciate the way he started this video because I was definitely about to just skip to the end just to watch it but definitely caught everybody lacking in the first minute of it he already knew it was up
To quote Beast Boy “I still think you’re Jason Todd!”
Always loved your content, even back in the crossover and smash history days! 😅😅
glad to still see you making content!!!!!
Clicked on so fast haha
Same
"Another student who is half demon and could potentially trigger the apocalypse"
So... Raven again?
My response at the start with the reveal was that scene from Justice League where Lex unmaskes Wally. "I have no idea who this guy is."
Since it was unconnected to the rest of the DCAU, I guess I always just figured that there were so few characters to be suspects in the show, he was either just some guy or a clone of Robin.
Seems like the first one bared fruit.
I know it is supposed to be separate from the dcau. But Batman references it in Static Shock in the cross over episode without Robin.
@@jamesfitzgerald1684 true. Since the Teen Titans show is too out of whack with the DCAU, I actually like this line, because it just implies that there's some team called the Titans that exist in that universe that we've never seen. Stories with big worlds have lines like that in them all the time, to show the size of the world.
But I believe the official explanation is that they made that line when the show was in production, and while it was in production it was mandated that it couldn't be connected with the other shows, so that line is just kind of sitting there.
Yeah I gotta say that reveal really hit me like a "brick" lol
They should have just kept it hidden for ever and not made the identity the gimmick of the series about a freaking Titans Academy which inherently is interesting and something I've wanted since the old show when I was 10 years old.
“I STILL THINK YOU’RE JASON TODD!!”
my personal theory was always that the second Red X was just the suit itself.
i mean its high tech with a weird energy powering it.
now ad to it the fact Robin was going way overboard with thr creation of the suit he would probablyequipped it with some form of autopilot - it wouldve made perfect sense that the suit at some point just came alive and descided to do its own thing.
Uh man I think it would have been cooler if it was a revived Grant Wilson
agree.
If i remember correctly in one of those sites where the creators responded to fans question multiple people from the original team said that it was indeed Jason Todd
Who is the third Red ❌ before Brick (was it the Red ❌ from the comic who is separate from Red ❌ from the show)?
Seem to me that the writers should have the two plots (Red ❌ and the Titan academy) in separate series like THE TITAN should tackle Red ❌ storyline instead of combining them.
Also taking Red ❌ from a charming thief to a knock-off Deathstroke and made knock-off Judas’ Contract storyline too.
Finally didn’t Red ❌ first appear (in DC comics) in FUTURE STATE: TEEN TITAN or did you mean his first appearance into the main continuity proper?
It is definitely giving me the Hobgoblin Identity vibes.
I read this book, it's so much worse than you described. It's frequently bringing up how DickxKori can't be a thing without developing a relationship or dynamic in the book. They fused Beastboy and Cyborg and ended with them having the illusion of being separated. It wants to often inject Shazam things in this story. Why? It's already so unfocused. This book was atrocious.
I still consider the Red X from the show to be the show's version of Red Hood (Jason Todd) like how they didn't used the name Deathstroke for Slade (and no sword and guns) they would need to change Red Hood a lot in the same way and the Red X costume was just there with perfect equipments for a PG "anti-Robin"
It would make no sense if it was Jason because at that point he wouldn't have even met batman let Alone become Robin
@@davidcarty7584 Jason Todd definitely exists in TT as when the titans are going over possible identities of Red X they actually list Jason
@@bureikusaikusu 🤦♂️ you do realize in the show dick grayson was still Robin which means that's before he became nightwing so if even tim drake hadn't met batman yet so how would Jason Todd be around.
@@davidcarty7584 Idk ask the showrunners why they namedropped Jason Todd in the episode, maybe after Jason died Dick resumed his duties as Robin in the TT universe
@@bureikusaikusu that makes no sense Jason Todd isn't the second Robin he's the third Robin,he comes after Tim drake's Robin who only becomes Robin after dick became nightwing and that didn't happen yet in the show, and don't get me started on the age difference between them since dick would be in his twenties by the time Jason Todd meets batman for the first time and as for the showrunners name dropping him that was eather a mistake or a clue that Tim drake is actually the Robin of the teen titans show, which can't possibly be true since they give such strong hints that dick grayson was the Robin of titans which means it's definitely a mistake.
20 years of theorizing who Red X is and that is who he is?!
"YEARS OF ACADEMY TRAINING WASTED!"
That “Who?!” was absolute perfect timing
Personally I thought it was Jason, it would have been interesting if in the OG teen titans they flipped the robins around and made Jason the first Robin since if he was the first it would have made sense why Batman was stricter in Teen Titans than in other depictions.
Raven: just face it Red X can be anyone, anyone smart enough to steal the suit and dumb enough to take it for a joyride
The whole idea is that red x is not nearly as interesting as we the audience try to make him
My head cannon is Jason Todd is red x. The new red x was first shown a year before Jason was revealed as red hood and he said with robin
Robin: I thought you weren’t the hero type
Red X: Never said I didn’t know how.
It very much seems to be Red Hood
“I liked you better when I didn’t know your identity”
Honestly I love how they roasted us like that. I mean did his identity really mattered? I like how it's just some unknown and not some well known character because that's too predictable. Since it's an unknown character, they can make Red X their own character.
His real identity is Bruce Wayne in my opinion. The character has been in the comics for decades now without any links to the broader Batman mythos outside of fringe theories of him being Batman, which nobody but a few weirdos on conspiracy websites believe, so it would be a nice way of giving him purpose.
Honestly i think they should've just had Red X be a new villain and his own character instead of him already being connected to Nightwing's past. Because it makes it easier for the new readers to follow who Red X is without having to know his history from the Teen Titans show.
Nightwing was the first rex x clown. He was also going to be connected to Nightwing
Red X II:
*shows up*
*stabs Brick*
*refuses to elaborate further*
*leaves*
It’s almost four in the morning. Well played Sir… I’ll be back.
Although I respect the main comic continuity for finally giving Red X an identity, I think in the original TV show it works better if we don’t know for sure who he is. Simply put the mystery of who Red X is is his biggest selling point. I mean he makes only a handful of appearances throughout the show and apart from being highly skilled, a decent thief, and kind of a bad boy there isn’t really much to his personality. Literally every ability that he has he stole from Robin, so him not having a definitive identity was the only thing that gave him identity.
So although I think for the main comic continuity it’s great that he has a real face and name and you can totally add his true identity to your teen titans head canon but I think it’s best if we never know for sure who it is in the show’s universe.
Also before anyone says it no he was not Jason Todd in the show. Red X was clearly intended to be older than Robin by the fact he kept on referring to the boy wonder as “Kid” so unless teen titans pulled a white knight and made Jason the first robin that wouldn’t have ever worked.
Im pretty sure jason was actually the first robin in that continuity, because they imply hes dead, but dick is robin at the time
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Fair enough, maybe he could have pre-dated Dick Grayson, I mean beast boy does reference Jason Todd as a robin while Dick Grayson is still in the costume, but but then why would he become a thief? Why would he work for criminals instead of trying to take over the criminal underworld? Also if it is Jason Todd why is he focusing on the Titans and not going directly after Batman or The Joker?
Don’t get me wrong Jason Todd being red x is a decent theory but I think it just brings up too many questions.
@@comicfan1324 why would he become a thief? My guess would be to be able to fund the Red-X stuff and the gadgets and everything he uses. Why would he work for criminals? My guess would be to get in good with them so he can learn their weaknesses and secrets to be able to take them over. Why is he focusing on the Titans? My guess is that Joker is in Arkham or dead and that Batman is either retired, dead, or in a post-Knightfall state, so he needs someone to go after and the next closest connection would be Dick Grayson and so by proxy the Titans as well. If not, who's to say he isn't also going after Batman and Joker off screen as Red Hood, and then using the Red-X identity to go after Grayson and the Titans so as to not easily connect it to him, as Dick would likely know who Red Hood is and as such would know how to fight him and such.
Also, while he does refer to Grayson as kid, which does imply that he could be older, it could also just be sort of a taunt or tease or dig at Grayson or whatever, like a "I'm younger but more mature than you" or "I'm younger but have my own identity while you still choose to identify as a kid" or something like that. In other words he's basically calling Grayson childish and immature and such while he sees himself as above that and such as a sort of "compared to me you are a kid, even though I may be younger than you" type thing. That sort of thing does happen, like when people of any age are arguing and bickering people may in a teasing way say "ok children, you can stop fighting now" to point out the immaturity and childishness of how they are acting and such.
Yeah, not only that but the tv show Red X was a straight up antihero, the dude was a thief but not a murderer and not someone who would hold grudges like this version. The dude was even nice enough to save Robin (albeit for his own gain) and seemed genuinely impressed not mad when Robin double crossed him at the end.
So we don’t even know who the real Red X is still 😂
Yeah it's kinda clickbait so I don't get why people are saying they're disappointed when the identity of Red X(the one everyone loves) is still a mystery
Red X was apparently supposed to be in dark crisis but was cut which could explain the issues but at the same time the rest of the book needed a clearer focus.
The Nightwing series running is alright (if a bit meandering at time) I wouldn’t mind if Red X 2 or 3 show up there after the heartless stuff. It’ll be nice to see him really get to bounce of Nightwing
Love that he did a Ron Swanson quote at the end of the video
I know it's impossible for Red X 2 to be Jason Todd....but damn, it would be SO cool if he was. This whole hatred against "heroes" turning children into weapons would work so well given his backstory.
I would say that Grant Wilson fits the bill better. He was literally raised to be his father in every way. In New 52 they go deeper with that, in which Slade personally trained Grant to become literally his shadow.
It should of been kept a secret. Makes the character cooler, although I thought it was either Jason Todd or Grant Wilson.
His identity is still a secret though.
Brick ain't the real Red X he was his protégé
watch the full video.
I’ll never look at teen titans the same way again.
Thank you for not drawing out the reveal to the end of an 11 minute vid.
That’s really disappointing I love red x in the show I thought his design was sick af and was so excited when he came back in the show and comics as his own character and not robin this time but the comics really dropped the ball they had a great concept but sadly didn’t capitalize on it
I think general fan consensus is that Red-X 2 is either Jason Todd or Grant Wilson. I doubt it would be revealed anyways, but they both seem to be the most likely candidates.
WAIT FR HE HAS BEEN UNMASKED WHAT THE
yo this has to be one of the best quotes of 2022" Don't half ass two things, whole ass one thing"
Gotham Academy has a cross over with one of my favorite series, Lumberjanes. I highly recommend both series
"we have the answer for red x"
"Really?"
"Yes but no"
the heck, it is been the mysytery from childhood now
Thank you for not dragging it out, bless your soul