Explaining All Banned Extra Deck Monsters in YuGiOh [Part 2]
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- In this video will be going over why some of the extra deck monsters are banned, going over five at a time until we eventually cover all of them.
-The List-
Intro: (0:00)
1-Thunder Dragon Colossus, Jan 2020: (0:11)
2-Ancient Fairy Dragon, May 2018: (4:38)
3-M-X-Saber Invoker, Sept 2018: (8:27)
4-Outer Entity Azathot, Jan 2020: (13:01)
5-Topologic Gumblar Dragon, Jan 2019: (17:44)
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The fact that a lot of Outer Entity cards are banned/limited is really sad, their artwork is so cool and I would love to see more lovecraftian stuff in yu gi oh
Funny how in the game non spell and trap cards are called "monsters" by definition, but hardly any of them is an actual monster. The Entity arctype is indeed really cool and imo they have one of the best design on the entire game. But gotta feed the weebs with kawai anime waifus instead of actual monsters
For Lovecraft art style go to Magic.
@@zeduarte198 don't forget the dragons, warriors and spellcasters. Or another god-darn blue-eyes or dark magician support. Just let them rest in the gy already.
@@lasarousi I gotta give it to magic, they do nail the whole monster design a lot better than the card game that also calls itself duel monster.
I like to believe that konami will add 2 link entity cards in the future since this archetype has two of each type of extra deck monsters
New Errata term: Envoy of the ended
When something was so broken that it had to be nerfed like Chaos emperor dragon so it could actually be playable again.
you mean "unplayeable" right? errata CED is garbage, i would have preffered if he stayed banned.
@@slifer875 playable so that he can be used. Unplayable because his effect takes 20 years to prock
@@blueiblis250 They just needed to put hard once per turns, and making it so you can not summon any monsters after the destruction effect is used
@@blueiblis250 here to make it easy for you
Jester confit to linkuriboh linkuriboh to secure gardna now tribute secure gardna with a level 6 dragon then summon envoy of the end now its effect is online.
Firewall Dragon? >w
Gumblar Dragon is unfixable without completly changing what it does. It's one of those "I can't believe they printed that" type of cards.
Yeah kind of lol
Funny thing is, its actually nerfed from the anime, where its anime effect was once per turn if its extra linked you can destroy all cards in your opponents hand and burn them for 3k
[Last Turn flashbacks]
@@big_pip_energy_tt It's still got the 3k burn. They just have to have no remaining cards after the discard 2 extra link effect.
heck even making its material archtype specific could slow it down
I remember pulling a ghost rare ancient fairy dragon and losing my mind. Best pull I ever had
Awesome
that is awesome!!
Noice
Nice! Mine was getting Honest on my birthday.
...Then a bit later they released Honest in a special edition box. xD
that was one of my rarest card back in the day. that and a ghost rare rainbow dragon that eventually got throw through the washer lmao. good times man
Suggestion: Top 10 surprisingly balanced cards. Cards that seem like they should be overpowered or terrible, but that wind up being kinda fair.
I would say summoner monk would fall under that
How About SNAKE RAIN
@@tadashinakano219 snake rain would be so broken, but Konami knows how broken that card is and creates Reptiles weaker because of that card in mind imo. I think Konami should just ban snake rain, and try to make reptiles without nerfing them, because snake rain is no longer a legitimate concern.
@@caleblangley1948 There's some pretty powerful reptiles in the next set being printed.
@@hhaavvvvii i saw those guys. They look pretty cool.
Everyone like, "Poor Ruka, her boss monster is banned."
Meanwhile I'm like, "Poor Ruka, she NEVER GOT ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO A REAL DECK."
PREACH
Thank you!
Still hope they release her Forest and Fairy Tale cards from the manga into the OCG/TCG, besides finally giving Ruka her own deck it's also a deck that has a lot of potential of being good (Forests at least, don't know about her Fairy Tale cards, but they would at least be a nice support for Ancient Fairy/Pixie Dragon.)
When the number of duels she had can be counted on one hand, no wonder she never got a real deck.
@@teddyhaines6613 Carly only dueled twice and she got herself two real decks and even some legacy support. Ruka deserves better than a secondary character...
Extra link is when you co-linked your link monsters from one extra monster zone to the other extra monster zone. So basically you are allowed to use 2 extra monster zones instead of just one. While co-linked is a state when your 2 or more of link monsters are pointing to each other.
Yeah your correct, I explained the completely wrong thing lol. Thats a strait up mistake in the video.
@@TheDuelLogs you're* ;)
I thought he has editors to proofread his videos or did I mishear things.
Crazy how Ancient Fairy Dragon was pretty subpar during my yugioh days. Literally just used as a high defense synchro when in desperate situations. Until broken field spells were released...
The prettiest synchro dragon getting the ban 🔨 could be considered a badge of honor. Unpopular opinion I know...
@@aroperdope ahhh
Generally that needed to happen because why be a Field Spell at all if it can’t provide “Home Field Advantage”?
in duel links Ancient Fairy Dragon isn’t banned yet because field spells haven’t been powercrept... except for flipping Necrovalley that Blackwing decks are abusing Ancient Fairy Dragon to search
@@secondslash587 they should ban mountain; which is Kaiba's & Mai's skill. Because players are abusing that skill to allow them to search for necro valley using afd; or at least change that skill to make it extremely difficult if not impossible to use necro valley. Then again just make it a lore card; we're only Luna is a allowed to have it due to it being one of a kind. As Kaiba & Mai have no business using it or Blackwings...
Similar to not having a battle phase on the first turn, I’ve always thought it would make sense for Konami to change the rules so that you can’t discard from your opponents hand on the first turn. This would help fix a lot of broken cards
Yeah that would help, though standby phase discards would still happen
@@someguynamedsomething9612 I would take those over first turn discards at any time
Or activate negation effects for the first turn two turns of the duel. So each gets to set up their field without being stopped and then the two full fields battle it out. That be much more fair instead of just stopping players from playing glorified solitaire
Do top 10 banned cards that were power crept off the list.
Ooo good idea
@@TheDuelLogs did you ever do a top 10 cards that got banned years after released?
Your Colossus segment gave me the inspiration for that suggestion
BLS - Envoy of the Beginning, Tribe-Infecting Virus, Magician of Faith, Breaker the Magical Warrior just to mention some of these.
@@ARM-jz2qy See Also the previously mentioned el shadoll construct
That's Co-Linked.
Extra-Linked is when your have 3+ Link monsters (2 in both extra zones) and ALL are Co-Linked.
Speaking of the anime and Ancient Fairy Dragon, there was a part of that story where AFD was taken prisoner and basically sealed away. And now it basically finds itself in the same kind of "prison" in the real card game.😝
Yet it’s associated Signer is a mere side character alongside her brother even with Spirit World powers. Heck their manga counterparts were better and intimidating.
Considering how all earthbounds need field spells to exist on the field it makes sense.
@@thatman666 Luna didn't even have really have much of a defined archetype either. For being a character that held several important plot factors, she really didn't do much. Heck Leo was basically a better Signer than her before he even got his Mark. (Way later than he actually should have gotten it because of the whole Blackwing popularity giving Crow a Mark first deal)
@@gkarak1996 Good point.
Gumblar could be fixed by adding a "your opponent must have 5 or more cards in their hand to activate and resolve this effect"
even making it 2+ Cyberse effect monsters would slow it down
@@pkmnlover3812 i am more for changing the requirements to something that rockets can summon since its right to make a card unsummonable by the character that used it. though needing 5 cards in the hand can would fix it better than any material change.
@@pkmnlover3812 super late but it would need to be dragon not cyberse, as topologics are literslly meant to be used with rokkets which are all dragons
"Unless new X-saber support came out tommorow" So what? We'd get XXX saber cards?
Konami getting raunchy
hey i just wanted to say these videos are really well produced and fascinating and i really appreciate the work you put into this channel's content!! it's calming to listen to and i love hearing about card interactions
"There is a surprisingly little amount of banned Fusion monsters compared to other Extra Deck monster types."
I mean, Fusions were mostly balanced thanks to needing 3+ other specific cards to summon - two specific materials and a fusion spell.
And then they threw balance out the window with every new summon type after, degrading the game further and further with each new summon type. Synchros only need 1 specific material and 1 or more other generic materials and no spell, XYZ only need 2+ generic materials and no spell, and now Links which sometimes only need a single generic material and no spell.
Konami just does not have even the slightest understanding of the phrases "power level" "keeping power creep to a minimum" or "maintaining balance". Games are won or lost solely based on opening hands and the first 1-2 turns now, the only monsters worth running or summoning are ones with omni-negates or other effects that don't target or destroy, since most other monsters have "can't be targeted or destroyed" or some other equally powerful protection on them now-a-days, and the game is nothing but special summon spamming out 2/3 your main deck and half your extra deck within 1 turn. Not to mention the fact that most spell or trap cards are also useless, even archetype specific ones, thanks to the amount of overpowered generic extra deck monsters and the few overpowered generic spells and traps.
Also, it's pretty telling how poor a grasp of the idea of a fun or balanced game Konami has when hand trap monsters (one of the least fun aspects of Yu-Gi-Oh with extremely little counter-play) are considered so core to the game that they ban and restrict some of the only ways to stop them. (Azathot, Called to the Grave, etc)
At this point, no one probably plays modern Yu-Gi-Oh! because they're looking for a fair and balanced card game to play. But it is a lot of fun to see how new cards interact with random old ones in broken or other unintended ways.
Well, I would argue syncro monsters were actually one of the least powercreeping summon types. Because lets call them as what they are, Extra Deck Rituals. Only differences is, you use a tuner monster instead of a ritual spell, and you have to exactly match the level instead of "X or higher total level" of rituals.
Syncros arent too far from the very first game balance.
one could assume konami keeps making cards more powerful so competitive players would continue buying new stuff. not that this makes it any better. i just replay my old yu-gi-oh video games for when the game was at its peak imo
yugioh domnfall started when it choosed power creep instead of set rotation.
i don't play magic, but i tried to learn it last year, i was actually surprised by how simple the game is, given it's age.
i enjoy the mechanics of extra deck (except pendulum) they serve to flavor the game and make some creative archtypes possible, like sky striker.
also like graveyard effects, it's cool to have decks that aren't affraid of destroying their own cards.
the real problem is when we can do 5+ effects on the same turn, if the game was balanced around 5 effects as being the very maximum you can use in a turn, with few execptions, it would be fun to play.
@@alucard5841 No real disagreements, but to be honest, Konami banning old problem cards is basically a really shoddy set rotation. xd
M-X-Saber Invoker was also used commonly in Madolche decks as well to easily bring out Messengelato as he is a warrior type and needs to be special summoned in order to use his search effect. I used it for years in MR3 decks and even in early MR4 decks before Petting came out.
As someone who is very new to yugioh, these videos are super interesting, both because they explain why cards are so strong, but also because they talk about the history of the cards in question and why they were so strong at the time, even if they aren’t as strong now (ex. Dark Armed Dragon)
I just love that ancient fairy dragon look like the good version of the barian rank up force.
Like I’m imagining that it gave it power to the xyz temporarily and overtime when link became a thing it soon took back that power because it’s modern.
*Lillie wears a cross between Luna and Rio outfit*
I feel like a lot of players in this game share this opinion:
"Floodgates should be banned, they're not healthy for the game. Period. But Thunder Dragon Colossus coming off the banlist wouldn't be THAT bad for the game."
I have a hard time understanding the duality of that opinion.
i also don't get it, ofr me, thunder collossus should satay banned. sure, it's limited in the OCG, but they have "that grass looks greener" and "maxx c" as unlimited cards, OCG is in a different power level.
also floodgates are only a problem, because neraly everydeck likes to add cards from deck to hand, special summon from the extra deck, and special summon from the main deck.
floodgate for one of this things can completly ruin a deck, but if power level wasn't this high as it is today, and decks only used one and rarely two of this, floodgate wouldn't be much of a problem.
Honestly I think that's mostly just Thunder Dragon players wanting their boss back since the other Fusion isn't that good. And the deck is kind of dead now.
@@alucard5841 The OCG is different, but in a way that benefits Colossus and Thunder Dragons, not hinder them. Honestly, the difference in the games only bolsters the argument that Colossus can return to 1 in the TCG. It is legal in the OCG, a game who's meta is generally crafted to favor Thunder Dragon as an archetype, since with Maxx C, you can still realistically drop a Colossus and pass, and that's not a bad play under Maxx C. In the TCG, Maxx C doesn't exist and Thunders have to go toe to toe with end boards, and generally speaking, their endboards are good, but far from typical tier 1 and 2 deck endboards. Not to mention, there's a myriad of counters to Colossus nowadays. Nah, I called out Konami for banning it, claiming it was a bad move and time has proven that to be fact. Colossus was never ban worthy and that is solidified.
At this point, I kinda just wanna see them bring Maxx C to one - I’ve complained (read - bitched) a lot about how Special Summon Centric modern YuGiOh is, and the OCG has Maxx C anyway...
"Azathot was banned because it was used to shut down your opponent's monster effects during their turn"
Calamities:
calamities will be banned sooner or later, but azathoth could be used in any deck where VFD is nearly exclusive to virtual world
theres a few other decks that can make it, like metalfoes, but none nearly as easily
@@alucard5841 I use it in true king dino
@@alucard5841 Virtual Worlds really broke it because of how easily they can make Level/Rank 9 Extra Deck plays. Its ban was deserved.
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Whats its Name?
@@raysin.st.5778 Zalgo
@@Necroxion thank you brother!
A friend of mine played Sky Striker and my Colossus couldn't stay on the field for more than two turns. The effect can be negated pretty easily, especially nowadays
Oh yeah. I beat over Colossus (or at least weakened it) with my Blue-Eyes Solid Dragon.
Extra deck monster: Has effect where it can *special summon from the deck*
Konami: We don't do that here
Well, I suppose they could take it a step further with Gumblar by turning him from "Once per turn" to "Once per duel."
Gumblar would only ever be able to take two cards from your opponent during one duel. His intended effect stays in place, and it's not nearly as abusable.
Of course, anyone is free to point out the flaws in this idea. It was just a quick one off the top of my head 😅
yeah, probably one of the cases were a once per duel would be appropriate. Might still be too strong though if its still usable turn 1
DuelLogs, a guy known for finding good arguments to why cards are and must stay banned, even he thinks Colossus is kind of okay. Yup, Colossus is turning into the next Stratos indeed. XD
He forgot Archneme
We all know that the Banlist where he was banned was to harsh and that Konami just wanted to kill all of the Meta Decks. Heck they even banned Electrumite because of Endymion and killed True Draco even though they were Tier 2 at best.
@@IyoMaestro And Miragestallio, Engage and Harp Horror. Engage I can at least see, because it basically became an inherent plus 1 for decks who ran a SS engine. But Mirage, Harp and Colossus can easily come back to 1.
AFD was SUPER popular in the sort-of In-between-meta between Lightsworns and Dragon Rulers, around the time that the Dark World Structure deck came out (one of the first structures that became meta-defining just by buying 3 copies) it was thrown into a lot of DW decks along with Fabled Raven and Tour Guide, to cycle through Gates.
Nice analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
“For people who don’t understand links”
*proceeds to give the wrong information
My GOODNESS, never been *this* early!! Love you, DLogs 😘
Usually you post a video in a midnight in my country, but now almost afternoon 😀. Great video btw
It is hilarious how Ancient Fairy Dragon was the 2nd worst signer dragon when it was released in Real Life and it was the the signer dragon (only black-winged dragon was worse) from the weakest signer in the anime Ruka/Luna, and yet, after Field Spell cards got good and it became easy to summon, it became by far the most broken signer dragon and perhaps the 3rd best synchro monster in the game including forbidden ones (after Denglong and Ib WC Justiciar).
Also, a suggestion I give for Gumblar to become balanced is to force the player to not be able to Special Summon other monsters during the turn it is summoned. Like you said, outside of making Gumblar inconvenient to use, it is incredibly hard to balance the card, since discarding 2 cards from the opponents hand is far too powerful of an effect to exist in the game.
16:08 ain't that the truth. I was pissed when Called by the Grave got limited
I mean, it countered hand traps way too well. Same can be said for Red Reboot and traps.
Yeah it was a bit too good but meta decks rarely ran it so it really only buffs rogue decks which isn't an issue
Those overpriced Ghost Lolis and Drytrons had to sell, you know
If Gravekeeper Watcher could counter hand traps, it would have been limited years ago
@@thepoweroftheweed2215 makes me wonder if Drytrons abusing Herald of Orange Light will ever get it limited since it does both counter Handtraps and IS the Handtrap
Azathot was also being used in ftks to make it so your opponent can't stop you.
Colossus to one. That’s all
YES!!!
NO
Topologic Gumblar Dragon was so broken that not even a hard once per turn restriction could stop it from hitting the banlist.
That's not his fault it's Gandora X's fault
@@griffingower1883 but which Banlist Is Gandora X On?
@@voltingmaster5458 he's not on any of the lists he's the reason Gumblar dragon got banned because of a OTK that involved Gandora X
I miss you Colossus...
I quit ygo for like 3 years, watched one of these just to kinda take a look at the meta of right now, and now I've seen like a hundred of your videos the past few days. It's funny because I was one of your first subs from the VERY beginning. Glad to see you doing well=)
18:35 Extra linked means if its part of a link formation where every link monster co-linked from one Extras monster Zone to the 2nd Extra monster zone, even if it does not contribute to the extra link (so its still extralinked if it in the corner, still co-linked to the big U-Link)
you might be our 5th favourite custom card reviewer but youre certainly my favourite yugioh historian on youtube
AFD is mah fav Synchro and the most beautiful one to me as well. One of my favorite cards.
I love duellogs voice, he has such a calming voice, i can listen to his videos for hours longer compared to any of the other yugitubers!
I feel like the only real way to unban Topologic Gumblar Dragon without changing its effect is to make it once per duel.
I was thinking the same thing. If you want to go even further, make it so you have to choose only one effect to use, and have that be once per duel.
Even at 'once per duel', there were (and probably still are) ways to rip your opponent's whole hand out that only need to use each effect once. Short of nuking the effect to make the card virtually worthless, there's no way to reasonably balance it.
Once per duel wouldn't be enough, especially since Smoke Grenade is banworthy and it's both more difficult to use and it only gets rid of one card. I honestly can't think of a good way to balance Gumblar.
@@MultiStormify well one thing to compare about that is Smoke Grenade let you look at your Opponent’s Hand and Discard 1, whereas Gunblar is at random. Actually a fix I would give is make your Opponent chose the cards they pitch so it might give them advantage too.
Even that is too good, I feel. Any effect that discards or banishes cards from the hand should be eradicated
It's simply way too much advantage for the player that goes first (I am looking straight at you Royal Tribute).
"thunder collossus is limited in the OCG" yeah, but the powercreep in there is a lot higher, they also have "maxx c" and "that grass looks greener".
if thunder collossus wasn't that good of a flood gate, it could be unbanned, and maybe even unlimited.
I kinda see why, as much as I love running thunder dragons it’s hilarious how many ppl quit when I pull tdc and tdt first turn 😂
Changing gumblar dragon's effect to "if another monster is special summoned to a zone THIS card points to" with once per duel could be the solution
Once per duel restrictions aren't good when the effect is so broken getting it off only once is enough, and discarding 2 cards from the opponent's hand is definitely that kind of effect. The part about being a zone Gumblar points to, instead of any Link monster, is a good idea though.
@@mateusrp1994 thank you
What about if you restrict the link arrow area effect to be only activated on the owners standby phase and the cards from the owners hand are banished, while the opponent only discards?
gumblar could restrict you from adding cards to your hand, this way it's a fair trade, you lose two cards, and your opponet also loses 2. also those chave their graveyard effects negated
I watch DuelLogs when eating and its relaxing. I haven't played Yugioh in years but it nice to see what's new
Man, Your channel is so awesome and you are so knowledgeable about Yugioh. I discovered you recently and I'm in love with your videos. So entertaining!!! Do you know when the next yugioh game will come out? I really miss them. Also do you think link monsters were a good adition?
I learned some F.A. tech for Duel Links i couldnt learn anywhere else THX
I don't know why I'm addicted to these videos. I don't even play Yu-Gi-Oh
Just wanted to say I've been binging these videos after getting back into Yu-Gi-Oh with master duel since 2006.
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Btw co-linked is when 2 monsters point to each other e.g. > <
Extra linked is when u can take over BOTH extra monster zones with a co-link the extends to both extra monster zones
I was so inspired by your Chaos Draft that I tried to do one myself. I eagerly chose MX Saber, and didn't realize it was banned until it was too late...
you are allowed to use banned cards no?
@@sarthakarora3212 I just chose not to, and forgot how many cards were actually banned. That's on me.
Draft formats generally have no ban list apply to them
@@-emerald-1553 most banned cards aren't actually broken in this draft, X saber will be fine.
For mx Saber invoker I caught on early to it by playing it in my brilliant clownblade deck lol, Scorpio into cobra search brilliant fusion, use it for seraphinite, bring back trick clown, go into invoker, summon thousand blades, then either sit on bagooska or something else like rafflesia etc
For M-X-Saber I say if you could only summon earth warrior or earth beast-warrior monsters from the extra deck during the turn you use it’s effect (both before and after) would fix it from being abused without overly changing what it can already do
Yup or all together
Ancient Fairy Dragon: I fear no field spell. But that thing, (Mystic Mine), it scares me.
Thanks for the extra-link explanation! I still haven't wrapped my head around link monsters, so I appreciate the effort to make it understandable to old cudgeons liie me :)
Sorry to inform you, but what he described was co-link, extra link is co-linking until you use both extra monster zones
@@benjaminbarraza8972 Oh, I see. Even more link terms to keep track of! 😱Thanks for taking time out of your day to help me out, mate! :) Unfortunate error on Logs part, maybe he can add a note in editing or something?
one more clause that can be added to AFD field search eff is "Add 1 Field Spell Card with the same NAME as the destroyed card from your Deck to your hand" to prevent it have too many options on searching
18:40 that's not an extra link, that's a co-link. An extra link is when you have 5 monsters all co-linked using both extra monster zones, informally known as a u-link because it looks like a u.
top 5 underrated/undersupported monster types would be a nice vid tbh
Colossus would be just fine at 1. The mistake effect is good, but what made it worse was that you could summon out 3 on turn 1. Although looking back, thunder dragon was really never the best deck even at its best
Very true. Orcust, sky striker and Salamangreat were all better in their prime during the time thunder was at its strongest.
Colossus can come back to 1 and nothing would change except thunder players like myself will be happy
Fuck no. Colossus is fucking broken and should not come back unless it has the restrictions suggested in this video. The only reason it's still allowed in ocg is because ocg is control centric.
@@dustinvance243 you sound like someone who doesn’t have a good grasp of the meta
@@isaiah8770 oh I have a perfect grasp on the concept. It's abhorrent and a waste of fucking time. But back to colossus, the card is broken. You only need one card to bring it out, a one sided deck lock down is completely unfair no matter how you look at it, and the protection effect is absurdly powerful because it triggers every card in the archetype which in turn feeds back in to the protection effect! Nothing about this card was ever fair. The only people that want this stupid card back are degenerate meta cheats like you that played the damn thing.
@@dustinvance243 well that last sentence explains to me the type of person you are. But unfortunately i never played it, i played against it, and it wasn’t all that impressive. There’s no deck in the meta that this deck blows out or really even puts up a huge fight against if colossus is at 1. And just because it used to kill the table 500 decks that you play on edopro, doesn’t mean that its suddenly going to dominate the meta. You wanna know why? Cuz at full power this deck still wasn’t winning ycs’s, and was at best the 2nd or 3rd best deck in its format as i already said. And with just one colossus, it ain’t gonna do anything crazy.
Extra Link is the act of having a series of Link Monsters connecting to both Extra Monster Zones. Your definition was that of co-linking.
For Gunblar, all you need to do is make it so both of its effects are ignition effects, or effects that only work during your turn.
That way the card stays the way it was intended without running it to the ground
For Topologic, you can make it so that you can only discard 1 card to make your opponent discard 1 card, and restrict it to be only usable during your turn. That would limit it heavily. Same goes for the Extra Link effect; you can only make your opponent discard 1 card.
another whay to make colossus to return is to remove it's alternative summon condition. Ancient fairy can also have hard once per turn on each effect and have the restriction of which effect to activate this turn. M-x can also have the restriction of you cannot special from extra deck except earth monsters alongside of have to have x-sabers as materials and special a level 4 or lower x-saber monster. With having nyarla to have as materials entity monsters, there's not much of need to change azathot, as for launch, instead of any dark, make it say xyz dragon or phantom knights xyz monster. Gumblar can have the special summoned monster to be co-linked to gumblar and you have to have the same number of cards in hand with your opponent to do the discard.
Thinking on Topologic Gumblar Dragon, one of the problems with discarding as a cost is that when you do it right it isn’t a cost - too many cards have floating or graveyard effects. A potential fix for powerful effects trying to become balanced by discarding cards would be to negate those cards until the end of your turn, or your opponent’s next turn.
Not sure if you've done this, but a top 10 cards that go against their name (like breaker the magical Warrior not being a warrior) would be cool/funny
Topologic Gunblar dragon might be fixed by given both of the effects a shared once per duel effect. So the player has to choose which of the effects is gonna be used, and after that effect resolves it's basically a vanilla link monster.
So I've just learned that Phoenix Blade enabled so many degenerate combos (Airblade Turbo, Infernobles, Topologic Gumblar) that it's a surprise they didn't banned yet. Whatever year it is, it just manages to come back with another broken move
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I know this video is very old, but what they could do to Gumblar Dragon is make the effect once per duel in normal play. If we’re talking about competitive play with matches, then they could make the effects once per match. They do have cards where their effects can only activate once per match.
For Topologic Dragon one way to fix it might be to restrict it so you can only use the effect if the opponent has X cards in hand, kinda like the restriction on Trap Dustshoot. So like a "You can only use this effect if your opponent have 5 or more cards in hand". Still strong but at least now you don't rip out everything they have.
I’m I think co-linked is when two cards are pointing too each other. Extra linked is them being linked to each other while in the extra monster zone
Fix suggestion: "This effect cannot be activated during the first two turns of the game."
But that's the ONLY 2 turns of the game
That is really specific dont you think?
@@malareon Not particularly. It's effect is broken during those turns but otherwise fine afterwards, so letting it not be used during the point it's broken fixes the card.
@@hhaavvvvii yes, because it would be a restriction unique to this card, and the terminology sets a precedence
Nice video
To fix Gumblar Dragon I always thought if you change how it's arrows are pointing it might help nerf the card without killing it.
Since the extra link effect of gumblar isn't the problem (if it becomes, then the rest of extra link must be cyberse/dragon monsters), I think that the other effect make it that the special summoned monster that this card points to must be on the opponent's field (by your opponent owned card, if it's really necessary avoid knightmare corrupor iblee or token summon shenanigans) +mirrorjade like restriction (activable once every 2 turns)
You could try making topological gumblar dragon’s affect only be able to be activated in the main phase 2? That way it always can only happen on the second turn of the game, and after both players have gotten to play to some degree
As someone coming from MTG, what's a good resource for learning the game? Like going over turn steps, spell speed, when the player has 'priority', how cards are played/set, how effects(like flip) work, extra deck monster stuff, etc. Ideally one that uses MTG terms to describe stuff.
the rule book is usually a good start, most simulators have puzzles and ruling duels to help people learn, but yeah read the rulebook and go from there
I think a good way to change Topologic Gumblar Dragon is to make both players draw cards equal to the amount of cards discarded. Sure it would change the niche from hand control to more of a mill strategy, but I think it'd be a better card health-wise for the game.
I love these cards
Super late, but I have two ideas for Gumblar; One is to make it so that it's effect cannot be activated on your first turn or that the card cannot be summoned on your first turn, so that you can't just completely annihilate your opponent's opening hand but still have access to some hand destruction later OR, and what is probably the better fix, is to make it so that you can only activate the card's effect once every 2 turns instead of one, similar to the lingering effect of Dimension Shifter, Dogmatika Punishment or Mirrorjade, where if you activate it in your turn, you can't use it's effect again until your turn comes back around, equally if you activate it on your opponent's turn, you can't activate it's effect until your opponent's next turn.
That second one sounds like it might work, from there you could probably change a couple of little things like maybe changing the summoning condition, but I feel like putting that hard of a cap on it's discard effect is the thing that would help to most to reign this in without completely destroying it. I definitely thing there's a versio of this card that can exist without completely overhauling the effect
I think, for Topologic Gumblar Dragon, better to slap another restriction for any of its effects like slapping in "You can only use this effect if your opponent's hand cards are 6 or less" or something like that. Or give it some kind of ridiculous cost to activate it, like banishing 10 cards face down from your deck at the usage of either effect.
Looking back at Azathot, wouldn't a simpler solution to fixing the card be to change it's rank to something awkward like 12? That would probably kill off the rank up strat.
One way I think could help fix Gumblar is its summoning condition. Maybe have it require link monsters only as its materials? Maybe have it require ‘Topologic’ link monsters for its summon?
Also maybe it should lock you out of battle for the turn since it has a burn effect?
Topologic Gumblar Errata is hard. But you can halve it's effect efficacy for starters. So 1 card instead of up to 2 for each effect.
The other version is that you can only use one of these effects per duel. So up to 2 cards max would be discarded, which would make it a convoluted Moulinglacia with a 3k cheese which would be funny if it goes off.
Azathot`s artwork makes it seems like a custom card.
Can you do a "most expensive old cards" video? I love your channel but I'm a collector not a player so I don't really get all the technical stuff but I love the art of the cards and love collecting ones I think look cool. Just a thought, love your vids keep them up!
There are already lots of lists like that online
Suggestion: top 10 cards to receive the most errattas. A lot of people dont know how many times some cards have been erratta'd. Example: Necrovalley has been erratta'd 7X
He has already made that video.
So just so that I can understand this properly:
The game became so fast and hectic due to how powerful new cards were that Handtraps were introduced to balance it out a bit, a horrible idea as most agree but at least it allows us to get to a turn 3 and 4 instead if every duel being decided by the second turn.
And then when one card showed the fault in that system, they banned it.
Yep, that prett much summarized Konami's balancing philosohpy, does it not?
I swear some cards could come off the banlist and they wouldn't be that big of a problem but kunami likes to keep them there on principle such as Victory Dragon or Thunder Dragon Colossus and to top it off Red Reboot was recently banned which was the only hand trap to counter trap cards 😑
A possible fix for Gumblar Dragon could be to have it only able to be activated during the battle phase. That way, you can't hand rip before your opponent gets to play any cards, since the first turn there is no battle phase.
You could give it the firewall fix where it has to discard cyberse monsters for the effect. in addition, the second effect could require you to pay the life cost for each card you want them to discard.
Future video idea:
best deck in theory - like an actual card list and explanation (for both competitive legal and for fun fun using banned cards)
The Envoy of the End errata doesn't even work with Gumblar because any Special Summon activation is going to be a card effect, the idea makes sense, but the wording would have to be really funky to make it function
If invoker got an errata I'd probably prefer it to stay requiring any 2 level 3 monster but special summon any level 4 X-Saber from the deck. Making it require 2 x sabers would kill it's main purpose in the deck which is converting non - x sabers monsters into x-sabers for the purpose of making faultroll live or for tribute by gottoms. The "can't be used for link material" errata would also work though.
One other suggestion for Colossus is to make its summon a HOPT. I’ve seen 2-card combos that allow players to summon out all 3 copies of it in one turn! Granted if they just limit it, it wouldn’t matter that much, but it still might be a good suggestion.
Ancient Fairy Dragon was originally created to be a sort of counter to Earthbound Immortals, as they can't exist without Field Spell Cards
The only way how I can see Topologic Gumblar Dragon being "fixed," is if you introduce a "once per duel" effect on both of its discard effects, and you can only use one of them.
Additionally, you can make the cost higher for the discards; such as, for every 1 card that you make your opponent discard, you have to discard 2 cards.
Nyarlat into Azathot is a huge flavor win BTW, I endorse this obnoxious degeneracy.