About two weeks ago, following a document being made to me I found out I have PTSD, thing is the medical diagnosis is from four years ago. I'm still trying to process it. I've had no support, no help and no intervention following the diagnosis. Few months ago I lost a friend who took his own life due to PTSD, I was feeling from that to find I have it. I'm very confused tbh, can't understand how you can get diagnosed, not have any follow up and how I don't even remember the diagnosis?
I personally knew Zack and Addie. I was a bartender at a place called the Abbey on Decatur street in the French Quarter during that same time… it was wild during those days in the Quarter… they used to come visit me at the Abbey. Addie and I have the same last name so we would chat about our families and commonalities every time we would meet. I suffered severe PTSD after this went down. Thank you for making a video on them. ❤
So sorry to read what you have been through. It must have been very hard to watch this video, only helped by the fact that Adrian always treats each case with as much tact and respect as is possible. 11 years ago, a 12 year old pupil of mine (ballet student) was murdered by her adoptive parents. (neither of them had any "excuse" to have done it, no mental illness as such, well off families, etc etc) ... Apart from that horrific shock and unrepairable damage to faith in human nature - I'd known these people for 6 years, since the child first came to class at age 6, and could never have imagined anything like that might happen - there was the necessity to continue facing groups of children for 6 or 7 hours a day, try and make/keep them happy, and actually TEACH them something worthwhile in their dance classes, (imagine what those 12 year-olds went through too), fight with reporters and photographers from local and national press who stalked not only me but the girl's friends too, be a witness for the investigation and at the trial, and it all dragged on for 4 years. Meanwhile, my Mom got ill and passed away, my brother (fuelled by ideas of his 3rd wife, a true narcissist) turned nasty on me and cheated me out of what little inheritence there was, life came crashing down on every level. And still, working with kids every day and putting on brave face. I feel like the PTSD has now mellowed out, into just not trusting anyone, which has been a huge shift in my character, always having been naive and believing everyone is truly good, except when they have problems. I wonder, how you are now, knowing how deeply these things can affect us, and though am not especially religious, am praying for you that you may have healed all you can from such a horrific experience. Wishing you the best.
@@bohobabie5987 Thankyou so much for reading and commenting. Part of the "recovery" made up to yet, has been actually being able to talk about it, which was impossible for a long time, it was just too painful. Plus, I live away from my family and home country, have not had a partner for a while (become used to and cofortable with that, TBH, always was quite independent), and mostly because you just don¡t want to re-live it, or make anyone else have to think about it. To answer your question, I don't do any specific meditation or yoga activity, but the dedication to the profession of dance teacher IS in itself, quite healing. It was very hard to give the classes during the first months and years after the event, and I did it with the spirit of "doing it in the girl's name and memory". The relationship with children and what they are passionate about (in this case dance), is food for the soul, even if it's a hard job with little and fluctuating economical gain! Seeing their smiling faces, watching them progress, sometimes having to battle their frustrations and helping them to overcome them, is all a sort of therapy. If my economical situation were better, I'd have gone to therapy, but it's been necessary to work out what, in living life itself, is therapuetic, and maximise the effects of that. Would love to do yoga and meditation in the traditional sense, but neither my money nor my time budget allow that! Really appreciate you asking, and offering the possibility of answering you, even if you never have time to read it. It too has been a help. THANKYOU. Wishing you the best.
As a disabled veteran myself, having support was absolutely huge. My father as a Vietnam veteran was able to help teach me to cope with my own complications from the Marine corps. Using the VA, using the Choice/Mission/Pact Act is essential. I myself just got my claim with the Pact Act accepted and completed. You as a veteran, wether peacetime, wartime, disabled, combat you are all heroes and it doesn't take away from that fact to reach out and ask for help. I appreciate you all, welcome home and thank you for your service.
I am also a disabled veteran and while I didn't go play in the sand box, I was attacked by a fellow Airman AND was questioned about said attack by my own supervisor because, "he couldn't have done that, he started going to my church!" Friendly fire hurts the most. BUT my husband went to Afghanistan twice and he ended up in in-patient treatment because of his first deployment. My father is a career Marine of 27 years, multiple deployments and he never showed it, but I KNOW he has seen some fucked up shit. I can only imagine what both of them have seen. We have lived very different lives than our civilian counterparts and it is weird now that my husband has retired and we are in a non-military town, it is tough to find people who can relate to how we live and what we have been through. Thank God for the Internet!
Generational bootlicking pawns of imperialism. Well done for retreating and leaving the Taliban in charge after 20+ years of fighting in the desert. You are a failure. 🤡🤡🤡
isn't funny how Americans don't see ourselves the bad guys even though we illegally invaded several countries, Vietnam included... but Russia does it to Ukraine and they are pariah... sounds like you served in an illegal war even geneva and the rest of the world minus uk and Canada says so... your service was better spent protesting the war... not participating in its criminality 🤔 your father may not have had a choice... he was most likely drafted and forced I into being a war criminal... today military is all volunteer... let's see how many veterans who supposedly fight for my freedom get mad when I exercise it and it's not in their favor 🤔 by the way... your welcome 🙏🏻🌹
As a vet with PTSD, there are THOUSANDS of programs out there to assist. The problem is, it has to start with the soldier seeking the help they need. And, one hurdle we face, is admitting we are weak. It took me 16 years to seek help. But, once that door is open-the help is there. And waiting for you. And, its a great support network. I would highly encourage other vets to PLEASE reach out. There are veterans-fellow soldiers and sailors, marines and airmen-waiting to help you in any way they can. Drugs and alcohol NEVER solve the issues. Counseling, might.
Well said, except about being weak. It's not weak. It's human. I'm glad you sought and found help and I hope others will do so without seeing it as weakness but strength in trying to get better and keep their loved ones safe.
@@zombiechicken7114 Its a personal thing. I dont know if you ever served, but, my time in service, and my time outside of it, admitting fault WAS a sign of showing weakness. Not necessarily to others-good Lord know's I've cried with my brothers over loss-but its more a PERSONAL, INTERNAL hurdle to overcome. Showing emotions, or seeking help, is NOT a sign of weakness. I agree. However, INTERNALLY we are drilled to NOT be weak, and we see that as admitting to it-misperceived, I agree. But thats the military culture, here in America.
I respect the lack of sugar coating. The thing about PTSD in vets, and I say this with all due respect, is thar you signed up for that. So, obviously the resources SHOULD be there for you. It's not the same as a civilian with PTSD because civilians do not sign up for that. If the resources are there and you are too proud to receive help... well I have no sympathy for you.
@@oldsoldier181I am a retired paramedic. Civilian resources are very hard to come by. The best thing I found was a consistent shrink, taking all my meds, and monthly visits, with him. I seldom drink. Hard drugs are decades behind me. It has been 14 years since I last worked. I have also met several vets that have offered brotherhood. I have gladly accepted it. I still have moments that I struggle with, and violent responses, I tend to break things, not people. I could not imagine living inside that head space long enough to do all the things he did. As a military brat, sir, I respect your service and am grateful you went places that keep me safe.
Zack really needed help and never got it. Addie also needed help and never got it. Liquor and drugs don't offer help. Thanks Adrian for sharing this case.
Funny how these comments only appear when it's a white man....but if it was a black man or a trans person or such the comments are always calling them less than human.
As someone with a spouse who served and went to Afghanistan, they never come back the same. A lot of work & patience goes into helping them find a new version of themselves.
Mine as well. He went over well over a decade ago and he still struggles immensely. It breaks my heart how the military breaks these people. My husband changed so much but soldiers on, to his own detriment a lot of the time.
Moving in together after already having issues was the worst thing to do. It brings the worst out of people because you don't get a break from each other. Especially when you're already dealing with problems in the relationship.
18:00 many soldiers DO face PTSD. But the fact that Zack had the conscience to think about what he was doing, and the balls to ignore that conscience, puts the blame squarely on him. Not his childhood, not his tours, not his divorce, but him.
I suffered PTSD from multiple car accidents, and a nerd with ASD who seemed sweet until I moved overseas for him. It didn't affect me well, but somehow it never made me dismember or murder someone.
Damn I was in Katrina, and let's just say not fun times. Death everywhere, bodies in water and houses. The air smelling like death for a year, yeah not good times
even after the human toll started to dissipate, for decades still now after the air smells like death because of all the red tide it kicked up in the ocean. the entire gulf coast has never been the same for 20 years now.
I've said this before somewhere, but I personally have always thought that it takes a special kind of "disturbed" to mutilate or dismember a victim. There's one kind of evil in murder; there's an entirely other kind of evil in dismembering someone. Think about how visceral it is, how intimate, and how repulsive. It's like the killer doesn't feel repulsion or disgust because they have no empathy.
ABSOLUTELY!! I can almost understand a spur of the moment frenzy and then being like welp time to call the police. But to have the narcissistic ability to actually attempt to cut a person into pieces, especially one you loved?? This 'man' was a monster, the right circumstances just brought it to light.
I can't even dismember a chicken... I cannot imagine how someone would be able to stomach dismembering another person. Murder I can somewhat understand but mutilation is an entirely different story
Strictly speaking, New Orleans was hurt terribly, but Katrina wiped multiple entire towns off the map in Mississippi but, bc NO is more famous, they received far less attention and financial support after the storm. Katrina was devastating for everyone, not just The Big Easy.
@@enderkatze6129 seems like the rest of the US wants to forget those states even exist tbh. Pure red states like those fail its people and they're so far behind educationally and economically behind other states. They put a dragon on the economy and their own politicians don't want to improve their states. They're more focused on culture war non-sense.
so true. the events at the Superdome brought more attention too. im on the mississippi gulf coast. it was horrible. people shooting and killing each other over a bag of ice. absolutely terrible.
I lived in New Orleans for a decade (some time after Katrina) and this story was part of the devastating fallout from the hurricane. Such brutality and sickness in this crime. Excellent storytelling as always, Adrian!
@@BusinessSkrubIts just a part of life. Its like asking why do the Japanese stay on their island even after the 2011 earthquake or Filipinos why they stay after a bad cyclone happens.
This is what is wrong with America, those who need help never get it. Any kind of health care is outrageously expensive, especially mental health care. Those who aren’t rich descend a downward spiral until death, sometimes taking others with them. (I am American, I experience this firsthand. A close friend of mine served in the military and suffers PTSD, mostly left on his own to handle it)
@@taylorpresley4604 A lot of the money sent to other countries is because the US invaded those countries and took over them, are controlling them and getting their resources. It's not benevolent money at all, nor is it really given money (they get more in resources than they're sending.) And even the current wars: all funded and made possible by the US and other 1st world countries. The US and Western European countries are constantly selling weapons, planes, bombs, etc., to other countries to help them start wars, and then once the wars are started they give some money to the victims to pretend they're helping. You think they're sending too much to help them ? Don't worry, they make a LOT more selling all those weapons. It's just that the citizens never see any of that money because they mostly keep it for themselves or to fund the next weapons they're gonna sell. All governments are a joke. All politicians and all political parties are the same. They all come from the same mold: they receive the same education, come from the same type of families, go to the same schools, are part of the same clubs/circles, are all friends of the cousin of the friend of the dad of someone else. They're all directly or indirectly linked to each other and all have the same mindset, even if their ideas aren't always the same. It's not just about voting, the whole system is a total failure.
PTSD is a cruel illness, often invisible and ignored by the VA. Treatment means losing one's military career (for some, they refuse to seek diagnoses or treatment because of this) and for others, it leaves them wondering why they're so down and spiraling out of control. My dad suffers from it, and each year it's chipped away more and more of our stability and peace as a family. He's thrown away everyone who loves him, convinced of his own evil nature. We're still fighting to keep him around, but at the same time reconciling the things he's said and done. We know PTSD is a root cause, but then so does he to some extent. So how do you address the cause, while also admitting the wrong done under the influence of it? We're still navigating that path ourselves. I can only hope it ends happily and peacefully for us, or at least as much as it can. I feel great sympathy for all service members fighting an invisible fight, we can't always paint them as monsters. But we can't also forgive their transgressions. I hope both these people can rest in peace.
Post Traumatic Stress REACTION is more accurate. The disorder is the traumatic event, not the understandable reaction to it. (PSTR), let us not blame the victim. The victim of the trauma is not disordered, they merely reacted to the trauma, which is the disorder.
It’s shocking how the military grooms these young men and women who are basically merely kids most of the time to fight ridiculous battles in ridiculous circumstances and then just turn their backs on them when it’s all over. Surely it could be done much better
Hey, something that really helped me was the phrase "moral injury". Please please pass this on to him. This is a search term you can use to find specific support for this. An example is medical staff who is forced to triage who lives and who dies in an emergency, most will never feel they did it perfectly. Or kids who flee leaving younger siblings w abusive parents. Etc. It can be smtg you weren't forced into, strictly, but were influenced by an authority figure (my parent killed my pet in front of me when I was 5 and I still feel guilty for example-- please no comments on this).
PTSD doesn’t cause people to commit murder, nor does it make you hallucinate. PTSD doesn’t make the patient outwardly violent either. When you see the progression you’re talking about, most likely the person has an undiagnosed personality disorder/defect.
What a very tragic case. He decided what he was going to do post horror. Their families are serving the life sentences now, as always. Thank you, Adrian. RIP Addie.
I have complex PTSD from years of extreme abuse, rape, and physical torture as a child and adolescent in my family. I never killed anyone. I realize that's not what you're saying, but the emphasis on veterans who kill people because they have PTSD gets to me. So many people are walking around with it (one in four girls, one in eight boys) that are law-abiding citizens and don't take their illness out on others. Incest survivors didn't sign up to be in a war zone. We were children, not adults, and we faced the ultimate betrayal by the very ones who were supposed to love and care for us, whereas you expect the enemy to shoot at and possibly kill you. You don't have to have dinner every night and live with the enemy. We do. And speaking of veterans, the same thing applies: Although they go through hell and are even maimed for life, physically and psychologically, the vast majority don't murder people.
Where did you pluck that statistic from? Men are trained not to"be a pussy" so there are definitely far more men "walking around" with PTSD. I agree with the initial part about it getting to you....but I have PTSD and I'm male and the harshness, fake toughness and brutality we have to go through compared to women gets to me.
Completely different events. It seems people who suffer from PTSD in a warzone tend to end up doing something more violent. Not everyone is the same. I suffer with it, it manifests itself in different ways
As someone who served with my issues I wasn't even the aggressor in my last, my ex beat on me and abused me in every way breaking me and driving me further to alcoholism, men can be victims as well and just like civilians not all veterans are bad, terrible stigma there's actual good veterans trying to make a difference a positive one, I'm sober now 9 months and somehow Alive still but making it truly count Thank you
Having a general discharge from the military wouldn't disqualify him from benefits, it would disqualify him from using the GI Bill and having college paid or a skilled trade training paid for, but he still could have received up to 100% disability and had full use of VA services. I have a general discharge from the military for smoking pot, i receive a VA disability check every month for the rest of my life and i use their mental health services regularly.
Thanks for clarifying that, I was wondering. Not a veteran but have known many and that didn't sound right to me. and of course ❤ Thank you for your service! 😺🌻
It doesn't disqualify you from GI bill. General under Honorable Conditions. Their are medical discharges that qualify for this for injuries and mental health issues. GOH is like a divorce where the military allows you to leave before your contract ends.
That depends on who within the VA determines whether or not a general discharge will preculde somebody from getting benefits..the va is extremely inconsistent with awarding benefits.
The museum seems rather offensive for relatives and friends. The landlord not disposing of the bath and oven before or after the fire, is rather ghastly in itself..
Nah can't excuse this kinda behaviour with PTSD. He had her in his apartment for a while, he not only m*rdered her and di$mem*ered but also did other things to her corps. He didn't feel any remorse, this is a kind of monster that belongs in hell.
I remember this. PTSD is the worst and it wasn’t as important to talk about/treat then. I’m so happy it’s commonplace to speak about now and treatments are in the works.
Adrian! We have 2 cases in Kaposvár, Hungary... Both solved. One is a highschool boy, who was killed, because he didn't wanted to be friends with the murderers anymore. And there was a case, when the stepmother had two homeless man kill her 11 yo stepson
I can feel for both of them. It is a terrible tragedy. Mental health care needs to be invested in. If they could have gotten the help they needed things might have turned out very differently.
I don't follow very many channels. What you do is so unique & heart felt. I feel like you represent the victims & family's in such a sincere way. My brother has been missing for years & despite piles of circumstantial evidence; his remains have never been found.
We had them in a mall in San Antonio, and unfortunately, before too long, people from there were dealing dope, and there were prostitutes just down the road from an elementary school.
@paballomolata8844 Wow! I guess it's not about the definition of words either. IF I received any response, I expected it to be along the lines of "sorry, bad joke." But you're actually trying to defend this absurd statement?! "Hurricane Katrina was a devastating and deadly tropical cyclone that caused 1,392 fatalities and damages estimated at $186.3 billion (2022 USD) in late August 2005, particularly in the city of New Orleans and its surrounding area.[1] Katrina was the twelfth tropical cyclone, the fifth hurricane, and the third major hurricane of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. It was also the fourth-most INTENSE Atlantic hurricane to make landfall in the contiguous United States, gauged by barometric pressure." - Wikipedia
As a person that worked in the San Francisco federal building during the horrific aftermath of Katina, I know that even our USMarshals had bad times once they returned from their rotations in New Orleans. The death and destruction surrounding them even weeks after the hurricane, I have no problems saying that the military was not the only thing responsible for poor Zack’s issues. There were bodies floating in the streets, and I can not even imagine what it must have felt like seeing a beloved city of life become a horror story by the day. This is a heartbreaking story. May they finally find some peace.😢
It’s true but at the end of the day, he not only murdered her, but he played with her body and then cut her up,‘concealed the corpse, and indulged himself before committing suicide. I don’t think there’s a lot of space for “poor Zach” here after all of that
There's a book about this fella's case called Shake Off The Devil that I HIGHLY recommend you read. It's incredibly sad. That poor man was so damaged....
Oh my gosh, here I am! 4 minutes in! Hello, everyone! And Hello, Adrian! You're one of the best parts of my routine! Thank you for the distraction. I am struggling with mental health issues at the moment, and you are one of the "constants" in my life that help me finish tasks and keep myself afloat. I am beyond grateful for you! Please keep making videos! Also, I was 2 years old during Katrina! My family lived through it together. It happened very close to my 2nd birthday!
My Dad carried a burden from Vietnam alone for 52 years. He said he’d never alone tell anyone, but he finally opened up to a psychologist at the VA. I still don’t know what troubled my Dad for over five decades, but I am so thankful he got help. It’s also good the military is making more of an effort to help soldiers who have PTSD. Unfortunately, the suicide and homeless rate among vets is still too high.
As always great story telling Adrian! Love your coverage, and how caring you are for the victims! I've actually heard of this one before, never makes it easier to hear the ending. So tragic :(
This case is just proof that 1. moving in together, 2. getting married, 3. having babies just doesn't fix a broken relationship! On another note, I just finished binging your entire channel all the way to the Chimney case with Joshua. Watching your progress in reverse was incredible. Your channel has come such a long way! I love listening as I work and look forward to Mondays and a new case.
I'm from New Orleans. One of my very good friends was murdered by her boyfriend's coworker on December 24, 1999. Her name was Jontia ("Tia") Lovec William Sartin and she was stabbed with an 8 inch hunting knife in front of her 9 year old son. Her boyfriend had the f*cking audacity to show up at her funeral. And what's even worse is that her family didn't get her a tombstone and didn't pay for her plot so they were going to dig her up and throw her in the pauper's graves. All of us at work (we all worked with her) paid for that plot so it wouldn't happen. And I just looked her up, it still says "Tombstone: 0 ) I am so pissed. Her family didn't give her a second thought just because she decided to do the best for her son with the education she had. We all worked at Big Daddy's (a strip club). She was saving up to go to school, had a house, a car, money saved. And she was so wonderful. Yellow was her favorite color and Tweety Bird was like her favorite thing ever. We all got Tweety tattoos after she died.
I'm no military girl but I have suffered PTSD and honestly, what goes on in your head and what you think is real that turns out its not, is just mad. I'm lucky and healed 80% but can totally understand this case somewhat. Thank you forntalking about ptsd with respect and just shining a little empty in places where its needed sometimes
3 min after posting, whoo! 🎉 Yet another great but tragic story told by one of my favorites. Thank you for sharing with us, Adrian! And thank you for not only focusing on the flaws of the people involved, but their backstory and what helped them end up where they did.
Saw you uploaded 5 mins ago I thought for a moment I can get in first there’s already 40 comments 😂 LOVE your channel love your work appreciate what you do!!
PTSD does horrific things to our psyche. You cannot unsee those shocking experiences that put you there. It is not until my son was gone that I have more of an idea of how he was suffering. My regret is that I did not understand enough about PTSD and how it affects sufferers until he was gone.
My brother had a friend who was in a combat unit in Afghanistan during the early 2000s. He came back broken. He had to drink himself silly to sleep because he saw the faces of those he killed every night. He lost it one day and held his girlfriend at gun point while the swat team surrounded him. Thankfully he didn't do anything and seemed to have gotten help. Years later he was murdered by his best friend who was also in the military during the same time frame. Both men were officially diagnosed with PTSD by the way.
This case is so disturbing, I had trouble eating for a while after hearing about it the first time. Now I will sit down in my kitchen and sip on my afternoon coffee to hear Adrien's take on this tragic story. *raises cup*
Be lucky you didn’t hear the full story of what else he did to her . Adrian doesn’t like doing super violent gorey crimes so it’s understandable why he skipped over some of the details of what Zack did to her body .
@ rubenQewb unfortunately I know the full story, I remember when this happened and heard it on the news. Absolutely disturbing, it was very hard to stomach.
I actually love this intro. Reminds me of your older videos. Recently you've been giving away too much in the intro. The stories had no mystery. I like the guessing game of who did it from when I subscribed. This was 80% bang on. Thank you.
This is a good one, it’s one of the most interesting stories IMO. There was a show on ID that covered it but I can’t remember the name. There’s a documentary too. One of their friends in the doc went on to be a murderer herself. Drugs, PTSD, mental illness, toxic relationships… it’s got everything.
I’ve known lots of people who moved to New Orleans at various times for a new start. All of them ended up lost and unraveled in substance abuse and emotional turmoil. I don’t know if the city draws troubled souls, or if the environment somehow promotes these difficulties. New Orleans is like Las Vegas in this regard.
Adrain, I relate to how you think as far as the mental health complexities that lead to such a crime, or a whole lot of other kinds of crimes. Yet, all we have is prison, after the fact. And genearlly, from my experience as a nurse, treatment in advance can be fail more often than not. There are no real answers, more and more.
Wow. Just checking in after a long hiatus. Over two million subscribers! Well done. I’ve been with you since five digits! Much love and respect ❤️🙏🏻✝️🇺🇸
@@sarahalbers5555 thank you for those kind words. Life is much better now, but there was a periode I did not believe I ever could feel real happiness again. I think most veterans that have seen real action, have those scars ripped into the Soul.
@@tommern84 my uncle was a British commando in WW 2. He was captured and a POW for quite awhile. It had terrible effects on both his physical and mental health. He was such a great man, yet he struggled with alcoholism for the remainder of his life . I truly wish you the very best.
There was no real alternative to how this relationship was going to end. Their individual problems were dangerous enough by themselves but put them together and an extreme outcome was bound to happen. A country eager to throw young men into war but no support system or health care if they happen to survive. They have no real chance.
No they don't. Military recruiters are only on school campuses in poor neighborhoods. Those kids aren't mature enough to make good decisions. Going to war, VOLUNTEERING FOR IT, is never a good decision 😢
Yeah this one was a little weird. He even stopped and reflected on what he was doing by-just because you don’t feel remorse doesn’t mean you don’t know you shouldn’t do it..? By that detail, this wasn’t a psychotic break.. so I’m confused by the leniency in these comments/video
It's because he needed mental health treatment from the VA, but didn't receive it because of his general discharge. He deserved healthcare treatment, especially psychological help. Things probably wouldn't have happened if he had received it. I'm a veteran with PTSD. I've had some pretty dark thoughts, and would've done something horrible if it wasn't for my mental healthcare.
@@valkirie19 js, if we’re going to sympathize hard with people doing horrible things after not getting the mental health help they deserved (across all walks of life) then a lot of true crime vids need to be redone and comment sections restarted. There is sympathy for him but this felt heavier than usual. Typically killers having fucked up backgrounds/experiences are waved off (I’ve even seen it with other vets-turned-killers) so idk
@@paymyrent7516 We just have to admit there is need for better mental healthcare overall. I'm not saying what he did was right at all, it was horrible! I'm saying it may have not gotten to this point if he had received the treatment he deserved after returning from a warzone. Just because he didn't get an honorable discharge shouldn't have disqualified him from treatment.
YOUR SHOW HELPED ME FORGET MANY LONG HOURS IN THE HOSPITAL. HOPE YOU ARE GETTING THE REST YOU NEED AND DESERVE. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR VERY WELL DONE STORIES!
I've heard this case multiple times, from multiple sources, but this was by far the most rich experience. Amazing research and great storytelling!! Nice job as usual, Adrian! Also, just a little comment, but the current owner of the propriety, Bloody Mary, is a sweetheart! Saw her on Unsolved a few years ago and she was such a ray of light.
Sadly, in the United States, the government DOES NOT care for their soldiers. I had a friend who had been wounded by an IUD,bleeding from his eyes and ears…finished his mission, then received ZERO treatment for any head injury or PTSD. He was considering Zach’s route…thankfully, we were able to get him help.
It always appeared to me to be by design.. foreign shit docs treating our soldiers or just throwing them to the side.. no real help for our mentaly wounded service members. Shameful at best.
"...trying to repair what they once had by moving in together."
yeah sounds like a great plan
right? How about they have a baby and get a puppy too! classic stupidity.
About two weeks ago, following a document being made to me I found out I have PTSD, thing is the medical diagnosis is from four years ago. I'm still trying to process it. I've had no support, no help and no intervention following the diagnosis. Few months ago I lost a friend who took his own life due to PTSD, I was feeling from that to find I have it. I'm very confused tbh, can't understand how you can get diagnosed, not have any follow up and how I don't even remember the diagnosis?
@@dontneednoname2072 You're surely a genius...
@Silent : 😂 i had the same thought when he said this during intro. People move OUT to deescalate NOT move in together
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I personally knew Zack and Addie. I was a bartender at a place called the Abbey on Decatur street in the French Quarter during that same time… it was wild during those days in the Quarter… they used to come visit me at the Abbey. Addie and I have the same last name so we would chat about our families and commonalities every time we would meet. I suffered severe PTSD after this went down. Thank you for making a video on them. ❤
So sorry to read what you have been through. It must have been very hard to watch this video, only helped by the fact that Adrian always treats each case with as much tact and respect as is possible.
11 years ago, a 12 year old pupil of mine (ballet student) was murdered by her adoptive parents. (neither of them had any "excuse" to have done it, no mental illness as such, well off families, etc etc) ... Apart from that horrific shock and unrepairable damage to faith in human nature - I'd known these people for 6 years, since the child first came to class at age 6, and could never have imagined anything like that might happen - there was the necessity to continue facing groups of children for 6 or 7 hours a day, try and make/keep them happy, and actually TEACH them something worthwhile in their dance classes, (imagine what those 12 year-olds went through too), fight with reporters and photographers from local and national press who stalked not only me but the girl's friends too, be a witness for the investigation and at the trial, and it all dragged on for 4 years. Meanwhile, my Mom got ill and passed away, my brother (fuelled by ideas of his 3rd wife, a true narcissist) turned nasty on me and cheated me out of what little inheritence there was, life came crashing down on every level. And still, working with kids every day and putting on brave face.
I feel like the PTSD has now mellowed out, into just not trusting anyone, which has been a huge shift in my character, always having been naive and believing everyone is truly good, except when they have problems.
I wonder, how you are now, knowing how deeply these things can affect us, and though am not especially religious, am praying for you that you may have healed all you can from such a horrific experience. Wishing you the best.
Thank you for you service and I am sorry for your loss
@@gailbrevittlenton6667wow! I hope you find some solace. Do you do anything to help yourself? Maybe yoga or meditation?
@@bohobabie5987 Thankyou so much for reading and commenting. Part of the "recovery" made up to yet, has been actually being able to talk about it, which was impossible for a long time, it was just too painful. Plus, I live away from my family and home country, have not had a partner for a while (become used to and cofortable with that, TBH, always was quite independent), and mostly because you just don¡t want to re-live it, or make anyone else have to think about it.
To answer your question, I don't do any specific meditation or yoga activity, but the dedication to the profession of dance teacher IS in itself, quite healing. It was very hard to give the classes during the first months and years after the event, and I did it with the spirit of "doing it in the girl's name and memory". The relationship with children and what they are passionate about (in this case dance), is food for the soul, even if it's a hard job with little and fluctuating economical gain! Seeing their smiling faces, watching them progress, sometimes having to battle their frustrations and helping them to overcome them, is all a sort of therapy.
If my economical situation were better, I'd have gone to therapy, but it's been necessary to work out what, in living life itself, is therapuetic, and maximise the effects of that. Would love to do yoga and meditation in the traditional sense, but neither my money nor my time budget allow that!
Really appreciate you asking, and offering the possibility of answering you, even if you never have time to read it. It too has been a help. THANKYOU. Wishing you the best.
Wishing you all the healing and peace you need. I'm sorry for your loss.
As a disabled veteran myself, having support was absolutely huge. My father as a Vietnam veteran was able to help teach me to cope with my own complications from the Marine corps. Using the VA, using the Choice/Mission/Pact Act is essential. I myself just got my claim with the Pact Act accepted and completed. You as a veteran, wether peacetime, wartime, disabled, combat you are all heroes and it doesn't take away from that fact to reach out and ask for help. I appreciate you all, welcome home and thank you for your service.
This comment deserves more likes. It is informative, inspiring, and full of gratitude!!
I am also a disabled veteran and while I didn't go play in the sand box, I was attacked by a fellow Airman AND was questioned about said attack by my own supervisor because, "he couldn't have done that, he started going to my church!" Friendly fire hurts the most. BUT my husband went to Afghanistan twice and he ended up in in-patient treatment because of his first deployment. My father is a career Marine of 27 years, multiple deployments and he never showed it, but I KNOW he has seen some fucked up shit. I can only imagine what both of them have seen. We have lived very different lives than our civilian counterparts and it is weird now that my husband has retired and we are in a non-military town, it is tough to find people who can relate to how we live and what we have been through. Thank God for the Internet!
Generational bootlicking pawns of imperialism. Well done for retreating and leaving the Taliban in charge after 20+ years of fighting in the desert. You are a failure. 🤡🤡🤡
Bootlicking pawn of imperialism. 🤡🤡🤡
isn't funny how Americans don't see ourselves the bad guys even though we illegally invaded several countries, Vietnam included... but Russia does it to Ukraine and they are pariah... sounds like you served in an illegal war even geneva and the rest of the world minus uk and Canada says so... your service was better spent protesting the war... not participating in its criminality 🤔 your father may not have had a choice... he was most likely drafted and forced I
into being a war criminal... today military is all volunteer... let's see how many veterans who supposedly fight for my freedom get mad when I exercise it and it's not in their favor 🤔 by the way... your welcome 🙏🏻🌹
As a vet with PTSD, there are THOUSANDS of programs out there to assist. The problem is, it has to start with the soldier seeking the help they need. And, one hurdle we face, is admitting we are weak. It took me 16 years to seek help. But, once that door is open-the help is there. And waiting for you. And, its a great support network. I would highly encourage other vets to PLEASE reach out. There are veterans-fellow soldiers and sailors, marines and airmen-waiting to help you in any way they can. Drugs and alcohol NEVER solve the issues. Counseling, might.
Well said, except about being weak. It's not weak. It's human. I'm glad you sought and found help and I hope others will do so without seeing it as weakness but strength in trying to get better and keep their loved ones safe.
@@zombiechicken7114 Its a personal thing. I dont know if you ever served, but, my time in service, and my time outside of it, admitting fault WAS a sign of showing weakness. Not necessarily to others-good Lord know's I've cried with my brothers over loss-but its more a PERSONAL, INTERNAL hurdle to overcome. Showing emotions, or seeking help, is NOT a sign of weakness. I agree. However, INTERNALLY we are drilled to NOT be weak, and we see that as admitting to it-misperceived, I agree. But thats the military culture, here in America.
I respect the lack of sugar coating. The thing about PTSD in vets, and I say this with all due respect, is thar you signed up for that. So, obviously the resources SHOULD be there for you. It's not the same as a civilian with PTSD because civilians do not sign up for that. If the resources are there and you are too proud to receive help... well I have no sympathy for you.
@@oldsoldier181I am a retired paramedic. Civilian resources are very hard to come by. The best thing I found was a consistent shrink, taking all my meds, and monthly visits, with him. I seldom drink. Hard drugs are decades behind me. It has been 14 years since I last worked. I have also met several vets that have offered brotherhood. I have gladly accepted it.
I still have moments that I struggle with, and violent responses, I tend to break things, not people. I could not imagine living inside that head space long enough to do all the things he did.
As a military brat, sir, I respect your service and am grateful you went places that keep me safe.
Zack really needed help and never got it. Addie also needed help and never got it. Liquor and drugs don't offer help.
Thanks Adrian for sharing this case.
🎶"This here stuff just numbs the pain; it don't make it go away."🎶
-Adam Sandler's Eight Crazy Nights Edit: Panda Logo, referencing Davy's alcoholism.
Funny how these comments only appear when it's a white man....but if it was a black man or a trans person or such the comments are always calling them less than human.
@@KZ-xt4hl I see you're liking your own comments...
4 minutes old comment, 3 likes, sounds like Estrella over here is projecting
@@KZ-xt4hl its been an hour n there were 2 when i got here 😐
As someone with a spouse who served and went to Afghanistan, they never come back the same. A lot of work & patience goes into helping them find a new version of themselves.
We thank yall for your service. We hope he’s doing okay. ❤
My grandmother said the same about my Grandad after WW2.
Mine as well. He went over well over a decade ago and he still struggles immensely. It breaks my heart how the military breaks these people. My husband changed so much but soldiers on, to his own detriment a lot of the time.
@@DameWhoGames.thats why id never waste my life serving this shithole of a country
@@chainsawplayindon't be a scumbag.
Moving in together after already having issues was the worst thing to do. It brings the worst out of people because you don't get a break from each other. Especially when you're already dealing with problems in the relationship.
They should just get married and have a baby, those things always help an already strained relationship!
It's like having a baby to fix things.
18:00 many soldiers DO face PTSD. But the fact that Zack had the conscience to think about what he was doing, and the balls to ignore that conscience, puts the blame squarely on him. Not his childhood, not his tours, not his divorce, but him.
Exactly! Seems like he is making excuses for Zack and putting the blame not only on his past but on the victim. So awful!
I suffered PTSD from multiple car accidents, and a nerd with ASD who seemed sweet until I moved overseas for him. It didn't affect me well, but somehow it never made me dismember or murder someone.
*lack of balls
zack took his life to pay fo the life he took.. he wrote that in his note... he made no excuses
@@Chopper650 He should have stuck around in prison for a while
I live in New Orleans and survived Katrina. They lived on N. Rampart not too far away from me. I remember this shocking story very well.
Damn I was in Katrina, and let's just say not fun times. Death everywhere, bodies in water and houses. The air smelling like death for a year, yeah not good times
even after the human toll started to dissipate, for decades still now after the air smells like death because of all the red tide it kicked up in the ocean. the entire gulf coast has never been the same for 20 years now.
I'm so sorry you went through that, but I'm glad you survived.
@@DKF_oli it doesn't smell nowadays, it's improved tremendously
George W Bush didn't help.
@allyoucansee590 the gulf has always smelled like ass
0:04 a flight with Spirit Airlines
This comment needs more attention immediately 🤣🤣🤣
No lies told.
Fuck Yeah
This needs to be the pinned comment 😂
Truth! How are they in business?!?
PTSD is such a tragic illness.
yep
It is. I have PTSD but not from serving. It takes a lot of mental work and support from loved ones to keep it in check.
still gives you no right or pass to kill someone
@@twinngonespinn agreed!!! I’m fairly sure nobody in this comment thread is saying that though
@@ash_tray some people certainly sound like they like to use it as an excuse
I've said this before somewhere, but I personally have always thought that it takes a special kind of "disturbed" to mutilate or dismember a victim. There's one kind of evil in murder; there's an entirely other kind of evil in dismembering someone. Think about how visceral it is, how intimate, and how repulsive. It's like the killer doesn't feel repulsion or disgust because they have no empathy.
ABSOLUTELY!! I can almost understand a spur of the moment frenzy and then being like welp time to call the police. But to have the narcissistic ability to actually attempt to cut a person into pieces, especially one you loved?? This 'man' was a monster, the right circumstances just brought it to light.
@@pixie_kitty_100%. No ptsd or drugs could ever excuse this not even in a little bit
That sort of horror is taught in the military. Say no to murder, say no to the military. (Can't spell conscription without CON).
@@uniquegod1997EXACTLY!
I can't even dismember a chicken... I cannot imagine how someone would be able to stomach dismembering another person. Murder I can somewhat understand but mutilation is an entirely different story
Strictly speaking, New Orleans was hurt terribly, but Katrina wiped multiple entire towns off the map in Mississippi but, bc NO is more famous, they received far less attention and financial support after the storm. Katrina was devastating for everyone, not just The Big Easy.
Unless you're famous, noone Cares.
So true 😢🙏🏽
@@enderkatze6129 seems like the rest of the US wants to forget those states even exist tbh. Pure red states like those fail its people and they're so far behind educationally and economically behind other states. They put a dragon on the economy and their own politicians don't want to improve their states. They're more focused on culture war non-sense.
so true. the events at the Superdome brought more attention too. im on the mississippi gulf coast. it was horrible. people shooting and killing each other over a bag of ice. absolutely terrible.
I'm glad you were speaking strictly.
I lived in New Orleans for a decade (some time after Katrina) and this story was part of the devastating fallout from the hurricane. Such brutality and sickness in this crime. Excellent storytelling as always, Adrian!
@@BusinessSkrub where in canada you from?
did drugs have anything to do with them?
@@BusinessSkrub I am from Vancouver
-lives below sea level
-city floods
-surprised Pikachu
-repeat
@@BusinessSkrubIts just a part of life. Its like asking why do the Japanese stay on their island even after the 2011 earthquake or Filipinos why they stay after a bad cyclone happens.
This is what is wrong with America, those who need help never get it. Any kind of health care is outrageously expensive, especially mental health care. Those who aren’t rich descend a downward spiral until death, sometimes taking others with them. (I am American, I experience this firsthand. A close friend of mine served in the military and suffers PTSD, mostly left on his own to handle it)
Most veterans have lifetime healthcare- does your friend?
@@cosmonation1840 You only get healthcare from the VA if you're classified as a disabled American. Majority of our veterans are not
Sending $$ to other countries is more important. Remember that when it's time to vote
False. My uncle is a vet and currently suffering as there's been so many cuts to vet care (under Trump and Biden) @@cosmonation1840
@@taylorpresley4604
A lot of the money sent to other countries is because the US invaded those countries and took over them, are controlling them and getting their resources. It's not benevolent money at all, nor is it really given money (they get more in resources than they're sending.)
And even the current wars: all funded and made possible by the US and other 1st world countries. The US and Western European countries are constantly selling weapons, planes, bombs, etc., to other countries to help them start wars, and then once the wars are started they give some money to the victims to pretend they're helping. You think they're sending too much to help them ? Don't worry, they make a LOT more selling all those weapons. It's just that the citizens never see any of that money because they mostly keep it for themselves or to fund the next weapons they're gonna sell.
All governments are a joke. All politicians and all political parties are the same. They all come from the same mold: they receive the same education, come from the same type of families, go to the same schools, are part of the same clubs/circles, are all friends of the cousin of the friend of the dad of someone else. They're all directly or indirectly linked to each other and all have the same mindset, even if their ideas aren't always the same.
It's not just about voting, the whole system is a total failure.
PTSD is a cruel illness, often invisible and ignored by the VA. Treatment means losing one's military career (for some, they refuse to seek diagnoses or treatment because of this) and for others, it leaves them wondering why they're so down and spiraling out of control. My dad suffers from it, and each year it's chipped away more and more of our stability and peace as a family. He's thrown away everyone who loves him, convinced of his own evil nature. We're still fighting to keep him around, but at the same time reconciling the things he's said and done. We know PTSD is a root cause, but then so does he to some extent. So how do you address the cause, while also admitting the wrong done under the influence of it? We're still navigating that path ourselves. I can only hope it ends happily and peacefully for us, or at least as much as it can. I feel great sympathy for all service members fighting an invisible fight, we can't always paint them as monsters. But we can't also forgive their transgressions. I hope both these people can rest in peace.
Post Traumatic Stress REACTION is more accurate. The disorder is the traumatic event, not the understandable reaction to it. (PSTR), let us not blame the victim. The victim of the trauma is not disordered, they merely reacted to the trauma, which is the disorder.
It’s shocking how the military grooms these young men and women who are basically merely kids most of the time to fight ridiculous battles in ridiculous circumstances and then just turn their backs on them when it’s all over. Surely it could be done much better
This is so sad thank you for sharing. Soldiers don't get the help they deserve after all the do for this country.
Hey, something that really helped me was the phrase "moral injury". Please please pass this on to him. This is a search term you can use to find specific support for this. An example is medical staff who is forced to triage who lives and who dies in an emergency, most will never feel they did it perfectly. Or kids who flee leaving younger siblings w abusive parents. Etc. It can be smtg you weren't forced into, strictly, but were influenced by an authority figure (my parent killed my pet in front of me when I was 5 and I still feel guilty for example-- please no comments on this).
PTSD doesn’t cause people to commit murder, nor does it make you hallucinate. PTSD doesn’t make the patient outwardly violent either. When you see the progression you’re talking about, most likely the person has an undiagnosed personality disorder/defect.
What a very tragic case. He decided what he was going to do post horror. Their families are serving the life sentences now, as always. Thank you, Adrian. RIP Addie.
I have complex PTSD from years of extreme abuse, rape, and physical torture as a child and adolescent in my family. I never killed anyone. I realize that's not what you're saying, but the emphasis on veterans who kill people because they have PTSD gets to me. So many people are walking around with it (one in four girls, one in eight boys) that are law-abiding citizens and don't take their illness out on others.
Incest survivors didn't sign up to be in a war zone. We were children, not adults, and we faced the ultimate betrayal by the very ones who were supposed to love and care for us, whereas you expect the enemy to shoot at and possibly kill you. You don't have to have dinner every night and live with the enemy. We do.
And speaking of veterans, the same thing applies: Although they go through hell and are even maimed for life, physically and psychologically, the vast majority don't murder people.
Totally agree.
hard agree
I agree and I'm so sorry for your experiences
Where did you pluck that statistic from?
Men are trained not to"be a pussy" so there are definitely far more men "walking around" with PTSD. I agree with the initial part about it getting to you....but I have PTSD and I'm male and the harshness, fake toughness and brutality we have to go through compared to women gets to me.
Completely different events. It seems people who suffer from PTSD in a warzone tend to end up doing something more violent. Not everyone is the same. I suffer with it, it manifests itself in different ways
love Adrian's 'good-byes'. it helps after hearing such terrible and heartbreaking information
hes got a pretty soothing voice lol
He was 100 percent wrong on this one though. He blame the victim for her own death and made excuses for the killer. Very very disappointed.
As someone who served with my issues I wasn't even the aggressor in my last, my ex beat on me and abused me in every way breaking me and driving me further to alcoholism, men can be victims as well and just like civilians not all veterans are bad, terrible stigma there's actual good veterans trying to make a difference a positive one, I'm sober now 9 months and somehow Alive still but making it truly count
Thank you
Having a general discharge from the military wouldn't disqualify him from benefits, it would disqualify him from using the GI Bill and having college paid or a skilled trade training paid for, but he still could have received up to 100% disability and had full use of VA services. I have a general discharge from the military for smoking pot, i receive a VA disability check every month for the rest of my life and i use their mental health services regularly.
Thanks for clarifying that, I was wondering. Not a veteran but have known many and that didn't sound right to me.
and of course ❤ Thank you for your service! 😺🌻
It doesn't disqualify you from GI bill. General under Honorable Conditions. Their are medical discharges that qualify for this for injuries and mental health issues. GOH is like a divorce where the military allows you to leave before your contract ends.
That depends on who within the VA determines whether or not a general discharge will preculde somebody from getting benefits..the va is extremely inconsistent with awarding benefits.
The museum seems rather offensive for relatives and friends. The landlord not disposing of the bath and oven before or after the fire, is rather ghastly in itself..
I went on this tour. I didn't know when I booked it that it was going to include that. It felt slimey. Like using people's deaths as a money grab.
One of the only crime pages I don't feel like I have to speed up to listen to
Nah can't excuse this kinda behaviour with PTSD. He had her in his apartment for a while, he not only m*rdered her and di$mem*ered but also did other things to her corps. He didn't feel any remorse, this is a kind of monster that belongs in hell.
I agree! Also he mentioned living out his life the best way he can, I don't think it was ptsd, but oh well
@@Sophie-jf1nl agree. Also excusing his behaviour is just disgusting. He belongs behind locked up bars for the rest of his life
100% I don’t think so either I think he was a selfish person. Life didn’t go the way he wanted so he ended it however he wanted.
@@SueAnnArca you are probably right!
I remember this. PTSD is the worst and it wasn’t as important to talk about/treat then. I’m so happy it’s commonplace to speak about now and treatments are in the works.
Oooh I remember this! Such a weird and horrible series of events. Absolutely mind blowing!
Problems in the Childhood, Drugs, Alcohol or PTSD is no excuse for killing someone.
NEVER.
Adrian! We have 2 cases in Kaposvár, Hungary... Both solved. One is a highschool boy, who was killed, because he didn't wanted to be friends with the murderers anymore. And there was a case, when the stepmother had two homeless man kill her 11 yo stepson
This stuff gets freakier and freakier
Try walking by it at night it's very errie😶
I can feel for both of them. It is a terrible tragedy. Mental health care needs to be invested in. If they could have gotten the help they needed things might have turned out very differently.
Can we just take a sec and appreciate that subtle background music throughout much of this episode. Just magic.
Oh wow, I’m 9 mins in & I just noticed the music from your comment. 😅
It’s annoying
Subtle?... tbh, I found it quite annoying this time
I’m having a hard time hearing him talk with the background noise.
Nothing to appreciate here. It's extremely distracting and annoying.
I don't follow very many channels. What you do is so unique & heart felt. I feel like you represent the victims & family's in such a sincere way. My brother has been missing for years & despite piles of circumstantial evidence; his remains have never been found.
We still have people living here in Arkansas who evacuated NOrleans during Katrina. I’ll never forget that storm.
We had them in a mall in San Antonio, and unfortunately, before too long, people from there were dealing dope, and there were prostitutes just down the road from an elementary school.
@@karenrobertson2312 it’s New Orleans. But that’s what I’d expect from an incest baby.
Same with Atlanta. We were the only ones who didn’t get hit along the path so the state was a “safe haven”
Thanks for showing respect to both Addie and Zack. I read the book, Shake the Devil Off. Tragic case all around.
Not the first time I've heard about this case. Thank you for covering it as you give more details into their life's before what happened
I guess the hurricane wasn't as ferocious as that relationship
Pfft bruh 😂😂 made me actually laugh.
2 people died as a result of the relationship. 1,390 people died from the hurricane!
@@jacquelinehembrey4825 It's not about body count, it's about intensity
@@paballomolata8844still... Hurricane wins
@paballomolata8844 Wow! I guess it's not about the definition of words either.
IF I received any response, I expected it to be along the lines of "sorry, bad joke." But you're actually trying to defend this absurd statement?!
"Hurricane Katrina was a devastating and deadly tropical cyclone that caused 1,392 fatalities and damages estimated at $186.3 billion (2022 USD) in late August 2005, particularly in the city of New Orleans and its surrounding area.[1] Katrina was the twelfth tropical cyclone, the fifth hurricane, and the third major hurricane of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. It was also the fourth-most INTENSE Atlantic hurricane to make landfall in the contiguous United States, gauged by barometric pressure." - Wikipedia
As a person that worked in the San Francisco federal building during the horrific aftermath of Katina, I know that even our USMarshals had bad times once they returned from their rotations in New Orleans. The death and destruction surrounding them even weeks after the hurricane, I have no problems saying that the military was not the only thing responsible for poor Zack’s issues. There were bodies floating in the streets, and I can not even imagine what it must have felt like seeing a beloved city of life become a horror story by the day. This is a heartbreaking story. May they finally find some peace.😢
The bodies floating in the street might have also triggered memories or flashbacks of his time in Afghanistan and deaths he witnessed
It’s true but at the end of the day, he not only murdered her, but he played with her body and then cut her up,‘concealed the corpse, and indulged himself before committing suicide. I don’t think there’s a lot of space for “poor Zach” here after all of that
May you work on your spelling Katina
I hate how people took the house and now use it as a selling point for haunted houses.
Their lack of respect may have it's repercussions. 😔👻😱
Me too. It’s not something that should be a tourist attraction imo.
1:15 "not for the faint of heart..."? Are your stories ever..? Now I'm worried
There's a book about this fella's case called Shake Off The Devil that I HIGHLY recommend you read. It's incredibly sad. That poor man was so damaged....
“I’m a total failure”… okay? So why’d you have to drag her down with you?? Seems to be the case with a lot of domestic abusers
Just a piss poor excuse. It's the most cowardly thing you can do
I'm glad you covered this. I lived and worked in the quarter between 2007 and 2014 and it brought back memories.
I'm from NOLA, and this was HUGE news for a very very long time in the city. People still talk about it in relatively hushed whispers around here.
Oh my gosh, here I am! 4 minutes in! Hello, everyone! And Hello, Adrian! You're one of the best parts of my routine! Thank you for the distraction. I am struggling with mental health issues at the moment, and you are one of the "constants" in my life that help me finish tasks and keep myself afloat. I am beyond grateful for you! Please keep making videos! Also, I was 2 years old during Katrina! My family lived through it together. It happened very close to my 2nd birthday!
Sending hugs and support your way. Take it day by day things will get better xx
mental health sufferer here too.....I'm proud of you for getting through each day. Sending love from the UK
Hope you are having a good day. You aren't alone. Always take some time for yourself. Sending prayers and positive vibes from South Texas 🏝❤
I'm rooting for you. Hugs and Love from a fellow struggling survivor. 🕊❤️
@@jennifermartinez10-31I'm from Northeast Texas! Small world! Thank you so much for your kindness!
Been waiting for my bedtime story, time to get cozy with coffeehouse crime 😌
...cozy?!
My Dad carried a burden from Vietnam alone for 52 years. He said he’d never alone tell anyone, but he finally opened up to a psychologist at the VA. I still don’t know what troubled my Dad for over five decades, but I am so thankful he got help. It’s also good the military is making more of an effort to help soldiers who have PTSD. Unfortunately, the suicide and homeless rate among vets is still too high.
Sitting in a café and this dropped… sounds perfect doesn’t it?
Sure does😊👋🇦🇹
So rare I get here in the first hour!
Not for the faint of heart? That’s exactly why we are here. Bring it on Adrian.
Another episode of CC while I drink my morning coffee. Great vid as always, Adrian.
That shirt really brings out your eyes!!! Love your channel, longtime fan!
I’ll never forget Katrina, the winds from that were insane they could hold you up if you leaned into them.
I’ve been here since you began. I’m so happy and proud for you and the growth of your channel!! I knew this story, but nobody tells it like you!! 💙💙💙
That poor couple, dead by dysfunction you could almost say. Another fascinating tale. Thanks mate, well done. 👍
I’ve got my coffee, ready to investigate!
As always great story telling Adrian! Love your coverage, and how caring you are for the victims! I've actually heard of this one before, never makes it easier to hear the ending. So tragic :(
This case is just proof that 1. moving in together, 2. getting married, 3. having babies just doesn't fix a broken relationship!
On another note, I just finished binging your entire channel all the way to the Chimney case with Joshua. Watching your progress in reverse was incredible. Your channel has come such a long way! I love listening as I work and look forward to Mondays and a new case.
7:00. Nope. With a general discharge, you qualify for benefits, just the same as honorable. Just not dishonorable.
What would be the reasons for general discharge? Curious. @monamedley6666
@nitoduzit they performed their duties well, but there was misconduct or an inability to adapt to a group
I'm from New Orleans. One of my very good friends was murdered by her boyfriend's coworker on December 24, 1999. Her name was Jontia ("Tia") Lovec William Sartin and she was stabbed with an 8 inch hunting knife in front of her 9 year old son. Her boyfriend had the f*cking audacity to show up at her funeral. And what's even worse is that her family didn't get her a tombstone and didn't pay for her plot so they were going to dig her up and throw her in the pauper's graves. All of us at work (we all worked with her) paid for that plot so it wouldn't happen. And I just looked her up, it still says "Tombstone: 0 ) I am so pissed. Her family didn't give her a second thought just because she decided to do the best for her son with the education she had. We all worked at Big Daddy's (a strip club). She was saving up to go to school, had a house, a car, money saved. And she was so wonderful. Yellow was her favorite color and Tweety Bird was like her favorite thing ever. We all got Tweety tattoos after she died.
Thank you for your content Adrian. Looking forward to seeing this one. Happy to be single with all these crimes ❤
Hello Adrian! I listen to your videos while working on chores, art, and writing. Keep up the great work!
I’ve been so obsessed with your channel lately. I’m always up to caffeinate and investigate
I'm no military girl but I have suffered PTSD and honestly, what goes on in your head and what you think is real that turns out its not, is just mad. I'm lucky and healed 80% but can totally understand this case somewhat. Thank you forntalking about ptsd with respect and just shining a little empty in places where its needed sometimes
Good morning from South Texas, Adrian. Can't wait to watch this one. It's great to see you. Hope all is well. Stay safe.❤
Fellow Texan as well hell yeah! 💜
"Hurricane Katrina" those words triggered my inner vine child. I can only see that kid with the bag falling from the shelf. 😂
More like hurricane tortilla!
😂😂😂
@@CoffeehouseCrimehuh?
@schrisdellopoulos9244 it's a vine, as the og comment said
“What’s worse that a R? A child…”😂 I miss vine.
3 min after posting, whoo! 🎉 Yet another great but tragic story told by one of my favorites. Thank you for sharing with us, Adrian! And thank you for not only focusing on the flaws of the people involved, but their backstory and what helped them end up where they did.
This is probably the earliest I’ve ever been for a vid. 😂 Always nice to see you, Adrian 😊
Edit: That journal entry kinda scares me 😨 😖
i know right! especially because my time zones are so different
Same here!
Wow good job guys!!! 😂
Saw you uploaded 5 mins ago I thought for a moment I can get in first there’s already 40 comments 😂 LOVE your channel love your work appreciate what you do!!
PTSD does horrific things to our psyche. You cannot unsee those shocking experiences that put you there. It is not until my son was gone that I have more of an idea of how he was suffering. My regret is that I did not understand enough about PTSD and how it affects sufferers until he was gone.
My brother had a friend who was in a combat unit in Afghanistan during the early 2000s. He came back broken. He had to drink himself silly to sleep because he saw the faces of those he killed every night. He lost it one day and held his girlfriend at gun point while the swat team surrounded him. Thankfully he didn't do anything and seemed to have gotten help. Years later he was murdered by his best friend who was also in the military during the same time frame.
Both men were officially diagnosed with PTSD by the way.
That’s really sad! I’m sorry for your loss
God that is sooo sad 💔
Volatile relationships with or without mental issues should be avoided at all times. Life is too short to have a combative relationship.
This case is so disturbing, I had trouble eating for a while after hearing about it the first time.
Now I will sit down in my kitchen and sip on my afternoon coffee to hear Adrien's take on this tragic story. *raises cup*
Could you make me a cup? Lol I'm stuck in bed watching this and don't wanna get up 😂😂😂
Be lucky you didn’t hear the full story of what else he did to her . Adrian doesn’t like doing super violent gorey crimes so it’s understandable why he skipped over some of the details of what Zack did to her body .
@@crystylev4571 oh of course I can (sends cup with coffee through cyberspace) here ya go~ ^^
@ rubenQewb unfortunately I know the full story, I remember when this happened and heard it on the news. Absolutely disturbing, it was very hard to stomach.
At least you didn't make it all about you...?
Thank you for the content, Adrian. Stay safe out there everyone.
Nice job Adrian. Most of these I have never heard of.
I actually love this intro. Reminds me of your older videos. Recently you've been giving away too much in the intro. The stories had no mystery. I like the guessing game of who did it from when I subscribed. This was 80% bang on. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing. I remember this horrible crime.
This is a good one, it’s one of the most interesting stories IMO. There was a show on ID that covered it but I can’t remember the name. There’s a documentary too. One of their friends in the doc went on to be a murderer herself.
Drugs, PTSD, mental illness, toxic relationships… it’s got everything.
I’ve known lots of people who moved to New Orleans at various times for a new start. All of them ended up lost and unraveled in substance abuse and emotional turmoil. I don’t know if the city draws troubled souls, or if the environment somehow promotes these difficulties.
New Orleans is like Las Vegas in this regard.
New Orleans is not for the weak. This is not a place that you want to be if you are not spiritually sound.
Adrain, I relate to how you think as far as the mental health complexities that lead to such a crime, or a whole lot of other kinds of crimes. Yet, all we have is prison, after the fact. And genearlly, from my experience as a nurse, treatment in advance can be fail more often than not. There are no real answers, more and more.
The music at 14:44 is truly eerie. I really liked that touch lol.
Wow. Just checking in after a long hiatus. Over two million subscribers! Well done. I’ve been with you since five digits! Much love and respect ❤️🙏🏻✝️🇺🇸
I can relate to the PTSD after 3 years 10 months in Afghanistan as a paratrooper in the NOK special forces. LOT of traumatic experiences
Thank you for your service. I hope you are feeling more positive and realize you worth.
@@sarahalbers5555 thank you for those kind words. Life is much better now, but there was a periode I did not believe I ever could feel real happiness again.
I think most veterans that have seen real action, have those scars ripped into the Soul.
@@tommern84 my uncle was a British commando in WW 2. He was captured and a POW for quite awhile. It had terrible effects on both his physical and mental health. He was such a great man, yet he struggled with alcoholism for the remainder of his life .
I truly wish you the very best.
Thanks for telling their story. It's such a very sad case. See you next case.
There was no real alternative to how this relationship was going to end. Their individual problems were dangerous enough by themselves but put them together and an extreme outcome was bound to happen.
A country eager to throw young men into war but no support system or health care if they happen to survive. They have no real chance.
No they don't. Military recruiters are only on school campuses in poor neighborhoods. Those kids aren't mature enough to make good decisions. Going to war, VOLUNTEERING FOR IT, is never a good decision 😢
This story has always been crazy, but surprisingly, I learned more from your video. Thank you!!!
Sympathizing with the killer is wild of you man
Yeah this one was a little weird. He even stopped and reflected on what he was doing by-just because you don’t feel remorse doesn’t mean you don’t know you shouldn’t do it..? By that detail, this wasn’t a psychotic break.. so I’m confused by the leniency in these comments/video
It's because he needed mental health treatment from the VA, but didn't receive it because of his general discharge. He deserved healthcare treatment, especially psychological help. Things probably wouldn't have happened if he had received it. I'm a veteran with PTSD. I've had some pretty dark thoughts, and would've done something horrible if it wasn't for my mental healthcare.
@@valkirie19 js, if we’re going to sympathize hard with people doing horrible things after not getting the mental health help they deserved (across all walks of life) then a lot of true crime vids need to be redone and comment sections restarted.
There is sympathy for him but this felt heavier than usual. Typically killers having fucked up backgrounds/experiences are waved off (I’ve even seen it with other vets-turned-killers) so idk
@@paymyrent7516 We just have to admit there is need for better mental healthcare overall. I'm not saying what he did was right at all, it was horrible! I'm saying it may have not gotten to this point if he had received the treatment he deserved after returning from a warzone. Just because he didn't get an honorable discharge shouldn't have disqualified him from treatment.
@@valkirie19 definitely agree we need better healthcare-would prevent hundreds of thousands of tragedies!
YOUR SHOW HELPED ME FORGET MANY LONG HOURS IN THE HOSPITAL. HOPE YOU ARE GETTING THE REST YOU NEED AND DESERVE. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR VERY WELL DONE STORIES!
I've been to Bakersfield, CA. It is a depressed town in more ways than one.
8:20 “more than two years his senior” oooooh two whole years 😂 the way you said it like it was 20 whole years
A cradle robber 😂😂😂
Thanks for sharing another story.
I've heard this case multiple times, from multiple sources, but this was by far the most rich experience. Amazing research and great storytelling!! Nice job as usual, Adrian!
Also, just a little comment, but the current owner of the propriety, Bloody Mary, is a sweetheart! Saw her on Unsolved a few years ago and she was such a ray of light.
The way you tell this story and others is so gracious and caring. You are simple the best!!!
What a sad story.
Thank you Coffee House Crime!
Another great one, well put together and well narrated!💕
I miss the 2-3 videos a week but I was spoiled! Love your content! Cheers ☕️
Sipping my evening coffee while watching this. I'm from Kenya.
Just in time for my lunch break 😊 Thanks for always delivering great content, Adrian ❤
Thank you for naming the issues rather than just labeling the perpetrator. 🙏🏻
Sadly, in the United States, the government DOES NOT care for their soldiers. I had a friend who had been wounded by an IUD,bleeding from his eyes and ears…finished his mission, then received ZERO treatment for any head injury or PTSD. He was considering Zach’s route…thankfully, we were able to get him help.
It always appeared to me to be by design.. foreign shit docs treating our soldiers or just throwing them to the side.. no real help for our mentaly wounded service members. Shameful at best.
I literally have my coffee ready before clicking the video.
Thank you for this cool community you've created here Adrian, and hello to Nero :)
You don't get a general discharge for no reason... he must have done some weird shit in the army