Just came back to watch this to see what masters of the air got wrong. This is incredible - actual planes, no cgi, amazing editing and realistic dialogue. Also longer shots giving a greater impression of positioning of the aircraft. Stunning really and such a shame it wasn't more appreciated at the time.
I came for the same, to compare. I do understand how this is probably technically closer to the real thing as a portrayal, but MotA manages to take me to the oppressive atmosphere better.
It is quite sad that they couldn’t use genuine B-17’s in Masters of the Air for obvious reasons, though they did construct 2 exact replicas or at least as accurate as can be replicas of B-17’s, with smaller portion replica bits for filming scenes insides of the aircraft
@@polarjet1833 what is the obvious reason? Apple has more money than some countries... they cant afford to rent or even build a couple of B-17s for the take-off and landing sequences?
What they got wrong is that is was freezing cold inside a B-17 during flight, even in the cockpit. Your face would be bloodless and your breath would come out like icicles if you took off your mask. My uncle flew 22 missions in B-17's during WWII. He once told me the only thing he ever thought about was trying to stay warm.
Way underrated film. Some of, if not the, best aerial combat scenes ever. Seeing it in a surround sound theater the week of release was an incredible experience. Those wide and deep shots just made one feel as if they were actually there.
The original footage from the 1943 Memphis Belle Documentary is actually better and accurate. The "Memphis Belle" used in this movie is a model G by the game of Sally B. The real Belle has been beautifully restored and is now on static display in the Wright Patterson Airforce Base Museum.
the siren of the stuka became so well known so they put it in every scene of the planes of the second war ... even if there are no stukas in the scene ...
@@Kaijufan360 He's confusing this with the 1944 version. William Wyler a Hollywood director, actually flew a sortie with them and recorded the actual footage which is absolutely fascinating, but while the crew were on a bond tour in America and during that, Wyler had them re-enact the scenes of the sortie he filmed, which they did shoot down a FW-190.
My great grandfather, Mark P. Zivalic, was a waist gunner in a B17 Flying Fortress during WW2. He fought valiantly and made it back home. God bless all who sacrificed their lives for freedom.
A hero is certainly not the one who play part of killing thousands civilians under carpets bombings , like in Cologne when the entire town got flamed in just one night ,killing about as much as Hiroshima…. These bombing campaigns where a disgrace in reality and outside the usual history books.. hitler caused atrocities, but so the usa and allies.
My great grandpa Samuel Lynn was a tail gunner staff seargant. His fort was called Baby Buggy II with the 390th group. Last one remaining of his fort crew
My father flew B17 escort out of RAF Bodney. He flew P51B and D. Last aircraft was a P51D "Little Buster." Also DFC and AM. The 352nd Fighter Group also got a Distinguished Unit Citation and the French Croix de Guerre. 2 confirmed. Flew with Preddy, JC Meyer, and Billy Whisner. Flew air cover for Normandy and Battle of the Bulge. Died in December of '91. Both my brother and I became pilots. My brother a retired Continental Captain. Ironically, some years ago my wife (who is from Tennessee) was able to sit in the cockpit of the now restored Memphis Belle at an airshow we were attending. Life takes one down many roads.
I met Preddy's sister a few years back. I thought it a bit odd the a 70+ year old woman would have a large lithograph of a Mustang hung on her wall, so I asked why. "Well, both my brothers both flew Mustangs in the war." I wasn't expecting THAT answer.
The ME 109 only had 200 rounds of ammo and 2% of them would hit their target. The B17 was so solid that tradition rear attack by the 109 wasnt effective. The Germans learned that the weak point to attack a B17 was a high speed head on attack killing the pilots. This scene is a accurate example of this type of attack. With only 200 rounds of Ammo the ME 109 attacks were always hit and run. Thank you for posting.
The head-on attack had another advantage - the USAF used close formations and overlapping fields of fire to survive - the head-on attack could break up this formation. I took serious discipline for the pilots to keep their planes in formation.
No, this is wrong. typically a BF 190 would have a 20mm and x2 7.92 MGs. The MG would have around 500 rounds per gun thus the Bf190 has 1000 rounds of ammo to add to that it's 20mm would have at least 60-120 rounds of ammunition. and other variants have 1000 rounds per gun. and with 20mm that has 200 rounds. but Never just 200 rounds. According to the movie plot this is the Memphis' belle final sortie and according to google it ended in may May 17, 1943. They would've most likely faced off against the G series of the BF-109 and some F variants. specifically the G-2, F-4, F-2 and throw in some Es as well for good measure. which were in production and in high numbers in 1942-1943 when the Memphis belle was in service. The BF-109 G2 F-4, F-2 had x2 7.92mm MGs and x1 20mm. with 1000 rounds (500 round each MG) and 200 rounds on the 20mm. and most of the E variants had the same guns but with only slight differences in ammo count like others having 2000 rounds (1000 rounds each gun) and 60-120 rounds on the cannon instead of 200. The Bf-109 E-1 which they had a lot of would've also probably faced the B-17. The E-1 had x4 7.92 mgs with no cannon. x2 (nose mounted) with 1000 rounds each and x2 mounted on the wings with only 500 rounds each. IDK where this 200 rounds only came from. cuz most of them had mgs that had a lot of ammo in them. also, I'm not an expert but I think they found out that the nose of the B17 is only guarded by 1 7.62mm mg compare to all the 50 cals at the rear that's why they prefer to head on it because that's what i'd do. also you dont need to kill the pilot to shoot down a b17, shooting the engines would be more than enough for the crew to either bail out or return to base. (again, not an expert just a WT player being a WT player lmao)
"The B17 was so solid that tradition rear attack by the 109 wasnt effective." Not 20mm against cannons. B17s were target practice for fighters until they had proper fighter escort
I just finished watching this movie. I love the music. I loved the cast everyone was awesome in it. I have been inside a B-17 when it was on display at an airfield near where I live. One thing it’s easy to not take into consideration when watching one of these movies is that yes Americans lost their lives defending our home and fighting to keep us free. But if it’s a war whatever county is involved within it is losing men and women to it. And not just service men, civilians too. So I say may God grant peace to their families as they attempt to recover.❤️❤️❤️😢. R.I.P. to every one of them. Your sacrifice is not forgotten
Did the disrespectful portrayal of the crew not put you off it or aren't you bothered about facts? None of the names or back stories were accurate. No one left their post in combat, everyone did their job. Co Pilot didn't pop off mid mission for a go on the tail gun, how rediculous to suggest he did. No one was on mission drunk, how disrespectful to say they did. No one lied about being a doctor to get into the air force, again disrespectful to say they did. No one was injured on the final mission. The Belle returned with all 4 engines running fine. So according to the film the crew of the Memphis Belle were, unprofessional drunken liars.. nice It's one thing to make a war film about some B17s but why make it about the Memphis Belle but not even get close to the real story?
It was incredible courage and I couldn't even imagine being that high up in the air and not being able to move around without fear of literally falling out of the un-pressurized cabin...or being shot down and not being able to get out and use your parachute... This is the Greatest Generation to have ever walked the Earth! Period. No other Generation has this claim or has ever been able to get close enough to claim it.. My favorite medium to heavy bomber is the B-17, because of its durability and arsenal of weapons and the engines were built superbly as well... This era had some incredible machinery to use to fight during WW2..
With this job not only will you freeze your butt off, but you may have hearing loss. I knew a co-pilot of a B-17, he told me the aircrews sat together at long tables. After some missions, the next morning entire tables would be empty. Crews that never made it back to base. They were SO brave. They had a mission and by gosh they were going to get it done! I admire that generation of Americans so much. They had focus and will. The world was a much better place after the war, due to their sacrifice... Not perfect, but better! A huge thank you to ALL of them! Walt, that co-pilot told me we were basically kids. Damn brave kids!!! I think the ball-turrent would have been a rough job..... I am too big to have fit in there...
The best acting from the Brat pack I've seen, not to mention Matthew Modine sorta keeping them in check cuz he's obviously no stranger to military films
My grandfather did all of his missions and then volunteered extras, then went on to work for NASA. Never had a history of mental illness, and not everyone does.
One thing modern movies get wrong about the machine guns on the planes is the rate of fire. They see the guns are AN/M2s, and they think the gun has a rate of fire of the M2 Browning ground gun. What this film does great is show the approximate RPM of the guns that they would actually have. Both the .30cal and .50cal AN/M2 Browning machine guns fired double that of their infantry-based brothers. Typical RPM is around 750-800 RPM. Not 450-500 like you see in modern movies and even in Masters of the Air.
If you're ever on an airliner and it starts plunging nose-first straight towards the ground, you can just relax and ask the stewardess for another bag of pretzels, as long as you don't hear that siren sound.
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Notjeffy YT there was no Stuka involved in this movie... a Ju-87 was not designed to intercept high level bombers, the siren is heard purely for theatrical effect.
If I recall correctly, the reason they didn't have adequate fighter escort was because the fighters couldn't match the bombers range. Also, the Germans would use scouts to lure the fighters away from the bombers to make them waste fuel and force them to return to base.
In 1943, the P-51 hadn't yet made its debut, they were still using the P-47 which lacked the fuel range and therefore couldn't keep up with the B-17's range...(fuelwise)
@@petrberanek4230 True, but, like I said, the P-51 Mustang had not been introduced into the European Theater.... Once again, a movie getting the facts wrong! I'll agree with you that yes, it's a P-51, but historically speaking, it's not true...🤦♀️
@@OrbitFallenAngel 100% Correct. Growing up my neighbor was the Pilot of the P-51D nicknamed the Bengal Lancer in honor of the Bloomfield High school Bengals students that raised the money to buy it in early 1944. The Bengal Lancer P51D had the range to go all the way to Berlin from England and proved to be a game changer for the B17s . * The Bengal Lancer had a short but distinguish career in WW2 from bomber escorts to providing ground support for the Normandy landings. My neighbor would always get a sad look on his face when he said My favorite plane to fly met her fate when a B24 spun out of control and damaged the Bengal Lancer on a runway. The plane was immediatly cannibalize for much needed parts
@@MannANDMachine 19secs in shows a P51 chasing a Bf-109...and much more. No I said Mustang, and I meant it. If I was flying a Bf109, I'd be doing a head-on pass until my ammo ran out. Defending my nation.
@@MannANDMachine , flying right behind a 109 while trigger happy bomber defense gunners blast away isn't going to win you a medal. The bomber is flying over 20k feet over 400 mph, facing crosswinds, subzero temperatures, while a 109 zig zags, and zoom and booms at 500 mph. What do you think the accuracy of the human eye looking through a metal crosshair will be like?
Along the lines of age, back in the 1970's I met a man who spent his 18 birthday on the beach at Normandy. I told him, Mr. Davis I can not fit that in my head! That was amazing...... But he made it!
Was this movie shot with actual ww2 fighter aircraft and cameras on actual era accurate bombers? It looks so real. This movie was made in 1990... Movies nowadays use CGI and it's pretty obvious but the footage looks very authentic and realistic on this movie.
Almost in all movies, german Messerschmitt BF-109 fighter is played by Hispano Buchon, postwar spanish fighter, BF-109 fuselage and RollsRoyce Merklin engine. That is why its nose look like Spitfire.
@Robin_Hood381 there were five real B-17 bombers used in the movie that were able to fly. There were also a few non-flying B17's that were used as background props.
This is the reason they called it a Flying Fortress its so well armed its a great Aircraft flying in formation gives the B17 the best form of defence it gives them a better chance
Yeah. With the amount of 50 cal. MGs on them (13 of them on the B-17G model), their field of views with the MGs and with 12 B-17s in their 'Combat Box' formation, Luftwaffe pilots likened attacking them to encountering a 'Flying Porcupine' (fliegendes Stachelschwein).
DannyBoy777777 the Focke Wulf 190 generally used to attack from the rear at 700- 800m range using its 20mm cannons, the bombers 50 calibres could reach that range but the fighters were extremely difficult to hit.
This film was a trip in the 90's. A great American father took me and his son (R.I.P.) to the cinema to watch it. I was enthralled. The most genius part of this collective genius, in this one scene, for me, is where the piece of paper someone has written on his back flies into his face as he's about to take a perfect shot. That's more than clever. That's true story, I bet, rendered in cinematic form. Because to make up detail of believable precision like that is rare. Very rare. And the veritas of the moment, is made so compelling, due to its believability. It also, in one moment, shows how acts of folly can jeopardise a crews integrity, or place them in danger, but ultimately, they all band together, to work as a cohesive unit. Brought a tear to my benevolent eye this film.
for those that didn't catch it he says there is a hole in the pilots window. the bullets tool out the pilot and or Co pilot. this alone would cause a hell of a situation the Co pilot trying to do his job plus the captains. if both were hit most likely this explains why they didn't shut the engines down or cut fuel to the left engines and why it veered off.
@@paytonblack2469 Thanks to your grandfather for his service - I'm not from the same country but my country was on the same side - this movie was and will always be one of my favorites - in recognition of their service and the tremendous toll of young men's lives that it took in the pursuit of freedom
The graphics here are absolute dogshit wtf are you talking about 🤣🤣🤣 yea they used real planes, but it feels so empty and like a fake reenactment. It's not as good as you think, this is your nostalgia talking
@@igor_667 0:54 1:42 2:15 2:27 First of all, you should know that only Ju 87's dive brakes (or the siren which B and D type had) can make these sound. And it's typical technique to use this sound to express aircraft flying in high speed. Of course there're no Stuka in this scene, but we can hear Jericho Trumpets. What I wanna say is that I'm just enjoying inconsistency.
Memphis Belle was Billy Zane's first big start. Years later he would play the lover-villain ("Cal Hockley") in James Cameron's 1996 production of Titanic. Zane is the one who says, "they're going after the first flight."
How thick is the aluminum skin again captain? Ahh OK. I'm glad I brought my custom made armor plate for the crotch area. Gotta protect the family jewels you know.
On the d-day landings there was actually a market for armour plate which the paratroopers used to protect themselves from enemy antiaircraft fire when making the jump. Worst was the troopers who landed in swamps, lakes, reservoirs or in trees, church steeples or high tension lines and transmission enclosures. These guys were carrying heavy loads of equipment and supplies and were often drowned if they landed in someplace other than solid ground.
For folks complaining about the stuka siren...Look this is a movie from 1990...Nobody cared about ultra realism and detail back then in war movies. Made in a time when guns could have unlimited ammo, or you could paint a cross on an old American tank and call it a tiger.
It's strange to think that when this movie was made in 1990 a 25-year-old bomber crewman in 1945 would have been a relatively young 70-year-old man. So there must have been a significant number of men who lived through that hell who saw this movie when it was in theaters. Now that generation is almost all gone.
B17 flying fortress had several 50 Cal machine guns for defense against attacking German luftwaffe fighters like bf109s, though many b17s were shot down, they also shot down many German fighters during WW2
I was inside of that plane omg what plane so beautiful perfeck in every inch and when you close your eye's you can imagine atmosphere my favorite plane from 2 war world
The sound effects used in many films are done by a specialist called a foley operator. A foley machine contains a large library of sound effects used to enhance the experience for a film audience. For example when a fist fight is shown the real actors do not actually hit each other but come close enough to give an illusion of a fight. The real thing is really a dance with no impacts and no injuries. The sound effects have to be added afterwards, as well as the reaction grunts and cries of the fighters who in reality are just throwing totally non-violent shapes. Similar happens with staged explosions, impacts or other seemingly violent events. Airplane crashes usually use the same sound effect regardless of the airplane type, era or technology which is the dive bomber sound known as the jericho trumpet. Sound effect afficianadoes have learned to recognise a wide range of sound effects for people falling of high buildings, off horses or being shot etc and they have names for the more famous and most used of this library of sound effects.
@@jgdooley2003 A long reply and thanks! I was talking solely from a perspective of how many planes sound like a Stuka or the machine attached to it. They did it on purpose to increase the noise factor and terror inflicted when bombing stuff!
B17s in tight formations was proven to be ineffective against fighters. The gunners rarely had a chance to hit anything when the closing speed was over 600mph, blink and you'll miss them. B17s were just target practice for fighters until they had proper escort.
Really, your favourite movie, it is disrespectful to the brave man that flew that mission and it's your favourite? According to the film the crew were unprofessional drunken liars.. nice, way to go film makers in honouring the men of the 8th air force. Some of the family members of the crew complained about how the crew were portrayed in the film, it's shocking they made such a disrespectful film hoping people wouldn't check.
To escape from the ball turret, a buddy first had to crank it back up into the belly of the aircraft and help you out. Then, you had to don your parachute and find an exit. If you plane is going down- tumbling and in flames- it's almost certain that the gunner is going down with it.
@@panzerboi4756 ball turrets are a pretty small, "armored" target. The danger of the ball turret gunner comes from its absolute reliance on electricity and hydrolics. If your plane lost those things (like having all its engines shot) you were really kind of stuck, so if it lost landing gear too youre going to be squished on the runway... however all that damage means you're probably losing the plane anyway. I think tail gunners statistically had it worse (during the actual dogfights) but the absolute existential horror of all that can go wrong in an electric turret means thats the scarier job. It was also an era when electronic failures were just expected. Flight crews often ditched the heated flight suits because while they allowed a greater range of movement, they also could break, and so they often opted for jackets.
Immediately afterward, Rascall tries to break the tension by recalling a joke from the waist gunner of Windy City. Though they have trouble remembering what his name was, it was still a heartfelt moment from one of the seemingly least heartfelt members of the team
@@planesrkool2727 GENE: "Stoller! THAT was the guy's name, Stoller!" JACK: "No, no, no" DENNIS: "Stoller wasn't on Windy City" GENE: "Are you sure?" JACK: "Hang on, it'll come to me" RASCAL: "... well whatever his name was... it was a good joke"
flying fortresses were rather durable against flak and fighter fire, but they had some weak points. 1. the oxygen tanks. these were to keep the men breathing fresh air while at high altitudes. they had to wear oxygen masks when they were above 10,000 feet. the yellow oxygen tanks would be present in multiple places. if they were hit, then the crew would begin to run out of oxygen. they could pass out, and their plane would veer off. 2. the engines. this was more of a controllable thing than on the oxygen tanks. once the pilot and copilot realize that one engine is on fire, they would initiate the shutdown process: cut fuel, feather prop (rotating the propeller blades so that they reduce drag), use fire extinguishers, and turn generator off. obviously the fortresses could fly with less than four engines. the pilots on Windy City could have shut down the engine if they were not killed. 3. bombs. these were armed after takeoff. if they were hit, there is a good chance that they would detonate inside of the plane. 4. controls. in the cockpit, the controls were vital to keeping the plane in the air. if they were hit, they could be disabled. another part is the wires at the roof of the waist. these would either carry the oxygen around the plane or route power to the elevators. they could be hit, and the elevators could be disabled. 5. the crew, of course. the gunners would be the ones keeping the plane safe. there was little armor in the gunners area, so they could be easily injured from fighters. this and the death caused by the plane crashing to the ground is why the death rates were so high on the bombers. plus, as their plane is plummeting towards the earth, the g forces that are being forced onto them are too strong for them to handle. it won’t allow them to get out of the plane and pull the parachute.
The B-17 was called the Flying Fortress. It had two vulnerable areas the chin and the belly of the plane. Added chin gunner turret and belly gun turret made it still harder to shoot down.
The really interesting film is the documentary made on the mission. Memphis Belle returned OK, but each incident shown in this movie happened to an aircraft on the mission. Kudos, USAAF.
It's incredible isn't it. Nearly every film which has a plane crashing dubs in a Stuka's Jericho Trompete. Why? It smacks of rank amateurism and is so simple to avoid!
@@oxi3845 They don't really make this noise when they go down. However, some planes can make distinct whistle noises in dives. Such planes as the P-51 Mustang has a distinct whistle caused by wind flowing over the machine gun barrels.
Does it not bother you the film is fantasy? They managed to make a fictional film about a real even. They changed all the names of the crew and made up disrespectful stories about these real heroic men. The Co pilot never left his job on mission to have a go with the tail gun, how ridiculous to say he did. Radio man was never wounded, Ball turret was not destroyed, engines all running when the Belle landed, there was no fire. Piot, Captain Robert Morgan. Co piot, Captain James Verinis. Navigator, Captain Charles Leighton... he was never drunk on mission. Bombardier, Captain Vincent Evans.. he never lied about his education to get into the air force, very disrespectful for the film makers to say he did. Top Turret Gunner, Harold Loch. Radio Operator, Robert Hanson. Left waist, Bill Winchester. Right waist, Scott Miller. Ball Turret, Cecil Scott. Tail Gunner, John Quinlaw, he never lost the family farm in a card game, he wasn't even a farmer, he worked in a carpet shop.. he also never left his post in combat and again it's very disrespectful for the film makers to invent lies about these men. At the time this shite film came out some complaints from the families of the crew were noted.. How disrespectful to do that to war heroes.
Gail Raby Damn, I never knew that. I still like the movie, but it sucks to hear what they did. I’m also pretty sure that some of the crew members still had like one or two missions to do after this. But if I’m wrong on that do tell me.
Grandpa said this was realistic except for all the chatter. Shot down over Vienna Austria, 11 men in his b24, 5 got out and spent the rest of the war as pow. Also he said it was really cold. He landed barefooted, heat boots fell off and was saved from being strung up by a Luftwaffen captain
Just came back to watch this to see what masters of the air got wrong. This is incredible - actual planes, no cgi, amazing editing and realistic dialogue. Also longer shots giving a greater impression of positioning of the aircraft. Stunning really and such a shame it wasn't more appreciated at the time.
I came for the same, to compare. I do understand how this is probably technically closer to the real thing as a portrayal, but MotA manages to take me to the oppressive atmosphere better.
It is quite sad that they couldn’t use genuine B-17’s in Masters of the Air for obvious reasons, though they did construct 2 exact replicas or at least as accurate as can be replicas of B-17’s, with smaller portion replica bits for filming scenes insides of the aircraft
I mean tbf it's sad for the crews they blew up for the filming, but their families were well compensated.
@@polarjet1833 what is the obvious reason? Apple has more money than some countries... they cant afford to rent or even build a couple of B-17s for the take-off and landing sequences?
My thoughts exactly, this movie is everything MOA wishes it was
What they got wrong is that is was freezing cold inside a B-17 during flight, even in the cockpit. Your face would be bloodless and your breath would come out like icicles if you took off your mask. My uncle flew 22 missions in B-17's during WWII. He once told me the only thing he ever thought about was trying to stay warm.
Grandpa told me the same thing, cold, cold, cold frostbite for any skin showing
I heard that it would get -50 degrees at times
I remember in the movie, they said something about not drooling to keep your face from freezing.
Having worked as a ski coach in -30/40c I can relate. Utter misery. And that’s without being shot at!
@@BenLewis-ni1zb Dang and I'm over here in Arizona complaining that 50F is freezing lol
Way underrated film. Some of, if not the, best aerial combat scenes ever. Seeing it in a surround sound theater the week of release was an incredible experience. Those wide and deep shots just made one feel as if they were actually there.
Ok I'm extremely jealous of you! This is by far my favorite movie of all!!
I wish they would release it again in theaters...
The original footage from the 1943 Memphis Belle Documentary is actually better and accurate. The "Memphis Belle" used in this movie is a model G by the game of Sally B. The real Belle has been beautifully restored and is now on static display in the Wright Patterson Airforce Base Museum.
Yup. I think the most underrated WW2 movie. I’ve just never rly seen it talked about much but definitely my fav aerial WW2 movie. It’s so good
This is what I thought masters of the air would be like but they cgi'd it to a crazy level.
@@agentolshki4265well there aren’t much flyable planes to use
I'm constantly amazed how many aircraft are equipped with stuka sirens.
And the bombs are equipped with the bomb whistles!
mandarin125 pretty sure every single one of them do that if they’re dropped at that height
@@user-mc3if9xs7w no, not all of them, but probably some fin designs can inadvertently create a whistling noise.
Seems like the "go to" sound effect in WWII movies & documentaries.
the siren of the stuka became so well known so they put it in every scene of the planes of the second war ... even if there are no stukas in the scene ...
I love how there isn’t intense music, it makes it feel more realistic.
I agree. Dramatic music is often overused in scenes like this. As if taking machine-gun fire isn't terrifying enough.
100% agree. I wish more air combat films were just like this. But NoOoOoo. Hollywood must cater to the idiots
Exactly
the engines on the enemy fighters should be terrifying enough
could use some trappy dubstep
drinking game: take a shot each time you hear a stuka siren on a plane that isn't a stuka
I can take a headshot the first time, the aftereffects are equal.
Instructions unclear, accidentally shot my foot
@@mbts-_-gacha9535 *drinkin game* you stupid gacha life creature
@@extrachannelyt6528 I’m aware bud I said *instructions unclear*
Also about that last part....
I get that a lot lol have a nice day
@@mbts-_-gacha9535 drinking game means its about alcohol liquid and not lethal weapon game lmao
Every movie with the plane that has multiple engines ever: one must go ✈️💥🔥
Well seeing as that fighter pilots aimed for engines on bombers, it would make sense that they go 💥🔥
But I'm only 11 so I like almost any Wii game
If you like air battles then you can play the game blazing Angels
In the end Memphis Belle only had one working engine left, but they still managed to land safely.
1:09
Me: what is he doing?
Everyone: his starting to believe
Nah, it's he's just using the tactical water pump. Boys must be thirsty.
sometimes you just gotta boogie, even if your getting attacked by 109's
He's beginning to belive!
He is trying to get the 109 in sight because it is above him
Can we appriciate the fact that your time stamp is BF-1:09
1:55 when gangster's trying to do a drive by
LOL he would have got that fighter if his partner didn't put that sign on his back as a joke.
We need 2020 movies like this
I couldn't agree more, midway wasn't that bad from what I've heard
They”d probably ruin it with some politically correct bullshit
There is red tails
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goodfella21f Me too. And one on the China Burma India campaign
Some of the Voices in this Scene are actual Bomber Crews conversing during an actual Bomb Run.
Is that real life?
@@Kaijufan360 No this is a movie ofc, i think he meant the
"radio-voices"
@@Kaijufan360 He's confusing this with the 1944 version.
William Wyler a Hollywood director, actually flew a sortie with them and recorded the actual footage which is absolutely fascinating, but while the crew were on a bond tour in America and during that, Wyler had them re-enact the scenes of the sortie he filmed, which they did shoot down a FW-190.
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this is what your gunners in WT feel everytime
My great grandfather, Mark P. Zivalic, was a waist gunner in a B17 Flying Fortress during WW2. He fought valiantly and made it back home. God bless all who sacrificed their lives for freedom.
A hero is certainly not the one who play part of killing thousands civilians under carpets bombings , like in Cologne when the entire town got flamed in just one night ,killing about as much as Hiroshima…. These bombing campaigns where a disgrace in reality and outside the usual history books.. hitler caused atrocities, but so the usa and allies.
My great grandpa Samuel Lynn was a tail gunner staff seargant. His fort was called Baby Buggy II with the 390th group. Last one remaining of his fort crew
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My father flew B17 escort out of RAF Bodney. He flew P51B and D. Last aircraft was a P51D "Little Buster." Also DFC and AM. The 352nd Fighter Group also got a Distinguished Unit Citation and the French Croix de Guerre. 2 confirmed. Flew with Preddy, JC Meyer, and Billy Whisner. Flew air cover for Normandy and Battle of the Bulge. Died in December of '91. Both my brother and I became pilots. My brother a retired Continental Captain. Ironically, some years ago my wife (who is from Tennessee) was able to sit in the cockpit of the now restored Memphis Belle at an airshow we were attending. Life takes one down many roads.
I met Preddy's sister a few years back. I thought it a bit odd the a 70+ year old woman would have a large lithograph of a Mustang hung on her wall, so I asked why. "Well, both my brothers both flew Mustangs in the war." I wasn't expecting THAT answer.
@@jwrockets idk what that means i just copy and pasted a comment here
Your comment infers your father flew with Preddy. Would that be George Preddy?
@@jwrockets i told you i copied this from reddit idc about fighter jets or whatever
@@wherebanana8585 : Eh? WTF. Have you got something wrong with you‽ (rhetorical)
The ME 109 only had 200 rounds of ammo and 2% of them would hit their target. The B17 was so solid that tradition rear attack by the 109 wasnt effective. The Germans learned that the weak point to attack a B17 was a high speed head on attack killing the pilots.
This scene is a accurate example of this type of attack.
With only 200 rounds of Ammo the ME 109 attacks were always hit and run.
Thank you for posting.
The head-on attack had another advantage - the USAF used close formations and overlapping fields of fire to survive - the head-on attack could break up this formation. I took serious discipline for the pilots to keep their planes in formation.
No, this is wrong.
typically a BF 190 would have a 20mm and x2 7.92 MGs. The MG would have around 500 rounds per gun thus the Bf190 has 1000 rounds of ammo to add to that it's 20mm would have at least 60-120 rounds of ammunition. and other variants have 1000 rounds per gun. and with 20mm that has 200 rounds. but Never just 200 rounds.
According to the movie plot this is the Memphis' belle final sortie and according to google it ended in may May 17, 1943. They would've most likely faced off against the G series of the BF-109 and some F variants. specifically the G-2, F-4, F-2 and throw in some Es as well for good measure. which were in production and in high numbers in 1942-1943 when the Memphis belle was in service.
The BF-109 G2 F-4, F-2 had x2 7.92mm MGs and x1 20mm. with 1000 rounds (500 round each MG) and 200 rounds on the 20mm. and most of the E variants had the same guns but with only slight differences in ammo count like others having 2000 rounds (1000 rounds each gun) and 60-120 rounds on the cannon instead of 200. The Bf-109 E-1 which they had a lot of would've also probably faced the B-17. The E-1 had x4 7.92 mgs with no cannon. x2 (nose mounted) with 1000 rounds each and x2 mounted on the wings with only 500 rounds each.
IDK where this 200 rounds only came from. cuz most of them had mgs that had a lot of ammo in them.
also, I'm not an expert but I think they found out that the nose of the B17 is only guarded by 1 7.62mm mg compare to all the 50 cals at the rear that's why they prefer to head on it because that's what i'd do. also you dont need to kill the pilot to shoot down a b17, shooting the engines would be more than enough for the crew to either bail out or return to base. (again, not an expert just a WT player being a WT player lmao)
@@thedesertfox6889 well you are correct, but for the wrong reasons.
"The B17 was so solid that tradition rear attack by the 109 wasnt effective."
Not 20mm against cannons. B17s were target practice for fighters until they had proper fighter escort
And that is a prime example of why the B-17G has a chin turret to better defend against this style of attack!
2:14 When a B-17 mates with a Stuka......
That's the actual noises they made when the propellers would speed up
@@hudson3132 what
0:20 Hey Jerry! Say ‘allo to my little friend!
there's no such thing as "no fear";
*true* courage is fear mastered.......
AMEN
I just finished watching this movie. I love the music. I loved the cast everyone was awesome in it. I have been inside a B-17 when it was on display at an airfield near where I live. One thing it’s easy to not take into consideration when watching one of these movies is that yes Americans lost their lives defending our home and fighting to keep us free. But if it’s a war whatever county is involved within it is losing men and women to it. And not just service men, civilians too. So I say may God grant peace to their families as they attempt to recover.❤️❤️❤️😢. R.I.P. to every one of them. Your sacrifice is not forgotten
Did the disrespectful portrayal of the crew not put you off it or aren't you bothered about facts?
None of the names or back stories were accurate.
No one left their post in combat, everyone did their job.
Co Pilot didn't pop off mid mission for a go on the tail gun, how rediculous to suggest he did.
No one was on mission drunk, how disrespectful to say they did.
No one lied about being a doctor to get into the air force, again disrespectful to say they did.
No one was injured on the final mission.
The Belle returned with all 4 engines running fine.
So according to the film the crew of the Memphis Belle were, unprofessional drunken liars.. nice
It's one thing to make a war film about some B17s but why make it about the Memphis Belle but not even get close to the real story?
They weren’t exactly fighting to keep the US ‘free’. Be wary of blanket statements. They tend to breed blind followers.
@@peterdemkiw3280 Completely agree, Hollywood none-sense in all it's glory.
Total respect for every guy who fought day after day in those bombers. What courage. This generation could learn from them
😡😡😡😡
I have taken a lot on board from history.
It was incredible courage and I couldn't even imagine being that high up in the air and not being able to move around without fear of literally falling out of the un-pressurized cabin...or being shot down and not being able to get out and use your parachute...
This is the Greatest Generation to have ever walked the Earth!
Period.
No other Generation has this claim or has ever been able to get close enough to claim it..
My favorite medium to heavy bomber is the B-17, because of its durability and arsenal of weapons and the engines were built superbly as well...
This era had some incredible machinery to use to fight during WW2..
yes indeed so could your generation
Of these Fu¢ker$?
With this job not only will you freeze your butt off, but you may have hearing loss. I knew a co-pilot of a B-17, he told me the aircrews sat together at long tables. After some missions, the next morning entire tables would be empty. Crews that never made it back to base. They were SO brave. They had a mission and by gosh they were going to get it done! I admire that generation of Americans so much. They had focus and will. The world was a much better place after the war, due to their sacrifice... Not perfect, but better! A huge thank you to ALL of them! Walt, that co-pilot told me we were basically kids. Damn brave kids!!!
I think the ball-turrent would have been a rough job..... I am too big to have fit in there...
The best acting from the Brat pack I've seen, not to mention Matthew Modine sorta keeping them in check cuz he's obviously no stranger to military films
You know I keep forgetting Modine is even in this without the Private Joker glasses until I hear his voice.
Matt Modine's role here was the complete opposite of Private Joker in FMJ. He went from class clown to humorless and super-serious (possible OCD?)
This looked so real
The aircraft are real. But the fighting looks fake. Fake even by air show standards.
it basically was real
They sometimes used real footage taken during some of the flights over Europe, so there were moments of real action to be sure.
Thos flying WII war plane at realistc toys + green screen
Far better than Masters of the Air
Well, this scene just really brings out the little boy in me.....WHAT A COOL AIRPLANE FIGHT (I'm 66 years old)
Hope you live another 3 years for that “Nice” number!
Probably the best film depictions of tracers.
But every plane has a Stuka when falling
.50 cal sound effects suck And the fighters cannons sound like machine guns. Other then that and the constant stuka sirens, good movie
@@myinfoisgone3868 But tracers are barely visible to onlookers.
Memphis Belle was everything that Masters of the Air wishes it was…
Yeah, everyone on that plane came back with PTSD.
My grandfather did all of his missions and then volunteered extras, then went on to work for NASA. Never had a history of mental illness, and not everyone does.
War is hell
Jezebelle was your grandfather part of the crew on the belle?
@MyGun4hire thank you! he was and I miss him so.
@MyGun4hire really you never served our country my gun for hire
One thing modern movies get wrong about the machine guns on the planes is the rate of fire. They see the guns are AN/M2s, and they think the gun has a rate of fire of the M2 Browning ground gun. What this film does great is show the approximate RPM of the guns that they would actually have. Both the .30cal and .50cal AN/M2 Browning machine guns fired double that of their infantry-based brothers. Typical RPM is around 750-800 RPM. Not 450-500 like you see in modern movies and even in Masters of the Air.
First B-17 to complete 25 missions was, Hell"s Angles. Bomb Sq 303. This plane had a great track record.
Love how they use the stuka siren when a plane is going down
ッAnubisYamato Typical 😂
If you're ever on an airliner and it starts plunging nose-first straight towards the ground, you can just relax and ask the stewardess for another bag of pretzels, as long as you don't hear that siren sound.
Sounds like a sample from Pink Floyd’s In The Flesh?
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Notjeffy YT there was no Stuka involved in this movie... a Ju-87 was not designed to intercept high level bombers, the siren is heard purely for theatrical effect.
If I recall correctly, the reason they didn't have adequate fighter escort was because the fighters couldn't match the bombers range. Also, the Germans would use scouts to lure the fighters away from the bombers to make them waste fuel and force them to return to base.
In 1943, the P-51 hadn't yet made its debut, they were still using the P-47 which lacked the fuel range and therefore couldn't keep up with the B-17's range...(fuelwise)
To counter that the Allies would send up three to five different "raids" to draw as many German fighters as possible away from the days main strike.
@@OrbitFallenAngel 2:10 that is a P-51 Mustang on top of frame, there is escort. Multiple Mustangs can be seen in the movie.
@@petrberanek4230 True, but, like I said, the P-51 Mustang had not been introduced into the European Theater....
Once again, a movie getting the facts wrong!
I'll agree with you that yes, it's a P-51, but historically speaking, it's not true...🤦♀️
@@OrbitFallenAngel 100% Correct.
Growing up my neighbor was the Pilot of the P-51D nicknamed the Bengal Lancer in honor of the Bloomfield High school Bengals students that raised the money to buy it in early 1944.
The Bengal Lancer P51D had the range to go all the way to Berlin from England and proved to be a game changer for the B17s .
* The Bengal Lancer had a short but distinguish career in WW2 from bomber escorts to providing ground support for the Normandy landings.
My neighbor would always get a sad look on his face when he said My favorite plane to fly met her fate when a B24 spun out of control and damaged the Bengal Lancer on a runway. The plane was immediatly cannibalize for much needed parts
The ball gunner sounds is like a goose playing a drum meme
I would hate being in the ball turret. I am a bit claustrophobic and there is no way out, someone else has to unlock the door for you.
There is no way I'd be flying my Mustang anywhere near a group of B17s with all those happy 50cal shooters everywhere.
Ya mean Messerschmitt?
@@MannANDMachine 19secs in shows a P51 chasing a Bf-109...and much more. No I said Mustang, and I meant it. If I was flying a Bf109, I'd be doing a head-on pass until my ammo ran out. Defending my nation.
@@MannANDMachine , flying right behind a 109 while trigger happy bomber defense gunners blast away isn't going to win you a medal. The bomber is flying over 20k feet over 400 mph, facing crosswinds, subzero temperatures, while a 109 zig zags, and zoom and booms at 500 mph. What do you think the accuracy of the human eye looking through a metal crosshair will be like?
Speak for yourself, Id fly a mustang right next to the f****** sun if it meant I got to fly a mustang
Along the lines of age, back in the 1970's I met a man who spent his 18 birthday on the beach at Normandy. I told him, Mr. Davis I can not fit that in my head! That was amazing...... But he made it!
We don't know them all, but we owe them all.
Was this movie shot with actual ww2 fighter aircraft and cameras on actual era accurate bombers? It looks so real. This movie was made in 1990... Movies nowadays use CGI and it's pretty obvious but the footage looks very authentic and realistic on this movie.
If you listen very carefully you can hear actual audio of the bombers conversations...that is authentic..
@@OrbitFallenAngel in which parts is it the real voices?
@@OrbitFallenAngel I don't think you're right, all the voices are of the actors...
Almost in all movies, german Messerschmitt BF-109 fighter is played by Hispano Buchon, postwar spanish fighter, BF-109 fuselage and RollsRoyce Merklin engine. That is why its nose look like Spitfire.
@Robin_Hood381 there were five real B-17 bombers used in the movie that were able to fly. There were also a few non-flying B17's that were used as background props.
After watching this made me remember 🇺🇸 and 🇬🇧 will ALWAYS be brothers
The people will, governments of today are trying to tear us apart.
I haven’t even seen the movie and I already like it
This is the reason they called it a Flying Fortress its so well armed its a great Aircraft flying in formation gives the B17 the best form of defence it gives them a better chance
Yeah. With the amount of 50 cal. MGs on them (13 of them on the B-17G model), their field of views with the MGs and with 12 B-17s in their 'Combat Box' formation, Luftwaffe pilots likened attacking them to encountering a 'Flying Porcupine' (fliegendes Stachelschwein).
Kommandant4298 Enter the Stürmbocke........
The Luftwaffe pilots learned to stay back and attack at range with their 20 and 30mm cannons. Keeping themselves away from the B17s gunners.
levethane negative. 20mm and 30mm cannon required close range attacks. The heavier the shell, the faster it falls.
DannyBoy777777 the Focke Wulf 190 generally used to attack from the rear at 700- 800m range using its 20mm cannons, the bombers 50 calibres could reach that range but the fighters were extremely difficult to hit.
This film was a trip in the 90's.
A great American father took me and his son (R.I.P.) to the cinema to watch it.
I was enthralled.
The most genius part of this collective genius, in this one scene, for me, is where the piece of paper someone has written on his back flies into his face as he's about to take a perfect shot.
That's more than clever. That's true story, I bet, rendered in cinematic form. Because to make up detail of believable precision like that is rare.
Very rare.
And the veritas of the moment, is made so compelling, due to its believability.
It also, in one moment, shows how acts of folly can jeopardise a crews integrity, or place them in danger, but ultimately, they all band together, to work as a cohesive unit.
Brought a tear to my benevolent eye this film.
Nobody:
Planes diving in movies: 0:54 *jericho trumpet noises*
I have seriously looked into fitting them on my car. Just to freak people out in the night...
It's modeled after the stuka dive bomber. Which used a small propeller or venturi tube to make that sound as it dived.
@@Spacegoat92 Good idea
This was such an incredible film
1:49 "Brody, he's a reasonable man but he's insane!"
The sound ar killing my ers
This is still one of the best ww2 bomber movies ever made. I would like to see better, but it's pretty good.
It's not one of the best, it's the best bomber movie ever made.
My childhood: model kits, Memphis Belle, Battle of Britain, Longest Day, Where eagles dare....
The Bridge is too far
for those that didn't catch it he says there is a hole in the pilots window. the bullets tool out the pilot and or Co pilot. this alone would cause a hell of a situation the Co pilot trying to do his job plus the captains. if both were hit most likely this explains why they didn't shut the engines down or cut fuel to the left engines and why it veered off.
Or, it was just a fantasy film and full of bullshit.
estoy de acuerdo con tu explicación
...hmmm: 🙏 !
Gail Raby actually, my grandfather was on this plane, and when he took me to see the film, besides exaggeration, it was all accurate
@@paytonblack2469 Thanks to your grandfather for his service - I'm not from the same country but my country was on the same side - this movie was and will always be one of my favorites - in recognition of their service and the tremendous toll of young men's lives that it took in the pursuit of freedom
Actually Memphis Belle got P51 as escort, not as hazard as Master of the Air where they have short range P47.
How are these graphics more believable and a 100%’s better than the bullshit green screen that Masters of Air are trying to pull off. Smh.
I guess because you're delusional.
No, he’s right. This looks much better than MoTA.
The graphics here are absolute dogshit wtf are you talking about 🤣🤣🤣 yea they used real planes, but it feels so empty and like a fake reenactment. It's not as good as you think, this is your nostalgia talking
@@jacobcorcho2518you’re spot on. I like the use of cgi for combat scenes as long as it isn’t horrendous
My dad was in this film (as were a lot of other locals used as extras).
Stuka sound as always, and I love it.
There are no stukas in this scene
@@igor_667 0:54 1:42 2:15 2:27
First of all, you should know that only Ju 87's dive brakes (or the siren which B and D type had) can make these sound.
And it's typical technique to use this sound to express aircraft flying in high speed.
Of course there're no Stuka in this scene, but we can hear Jericho Trumpets.
What I wanna say is that I'm just enjoying inconsistency.
@@nomu2299 ok sorry for misunderstanding it's just that I'm not used to call this sound the stukas sound
Memphis Belle was Billy Zane's first big start. Years later he would play the lover-villain ("Cal Hockley") in James Cameron's 1996 production of Titanic.
Zane is the one who says, "they're going after the first flight."
wow really? i never knew that was him
He was also in the movie Posse from the year 1993.
Rascal: Ball turret, get us out of here!
Pilot: *am i a joke to you?*
the pilot asked about the Situation of the ball turret. And Ball turret immediately says "Get us out of here!"
@@mohammadnooriman4185 Yeah. After the explosion of Windy City.
Lucas Martínez Parra lol they got that from fortnite
@@codysalas6140 what
all those ones hou fhought for us deserve our best intentions. Vets are our most valuable friends.
How thick is the aluminum skin again captain? Ahh OK. I'm glad I brought my custom made armor plate for the crotch area. Gotta protect the family jewels you know.
On the d-day landings there was actually a market for armour plate which the paratroopers used to protect themselves from enemy antiaircraft fire when making the jump. Worst was the troopers who landed in swamps, lakes, reservoirs or in trees, church steeples or high tension lines and transmission enclosures. These guys were carrying heavy loads of equipment and supplies and were often drowned if they landed in someplace other than solid ground.
For folks complaining about the stuka siren...Look this is a movie from 1990...Nobody cared about ultra realism and detail back then in war movies. Made in a time when guns could have unlimited ammo, or you could paint a cross on an old American tank and call it a tiger.
0:56 Stuka siren "Jericho Trumpet"
The most realistic air combat footage ever put on film
everything in the film harmonizes
Фильм "Звездные воины" снимали одновременно с этим шедевром?🤣
Captain.. There's a gremlin on the plane!
This movie is bad ass
I agree completely... this film is so bad, just shite, disrespectful nonsense, they should delete it and we can all pretend they never made it.
Gail Raby bad ass as in it was good...
Nooooooooooooooo
It's strange to think that when this movie was made in 1990 a 25-year-old bomber crewman in 1945 would have been a relatively young 70-year-old man. So there must have been a significant number of men who lived through that hell who saw this movie when it was in theaters. Now that generation is almost all gone.
Some were even younger
2:57
Val: Guts! Somebody's guts all over the nose!
Lucas Martínez Parra you could the terror in his eyes
@@Makothehybrid Yeah. So gross, right?
B-17's came equipped with Stuka sirens... did not know that.
Charles Bronson made raids over Germany in a bomber in his young years.
I heard he was a tail gunner but can't find anything about him in his bio.
I always hear this video's sound when i play warthunder for driving B-17
Honor to great crews!
Respect to to ALL the brave man who surved there country.
imagine having a panic attack and needing to get out but there's nowhere to go! Damn!
so hard to aim a plane, especially when holding a such heavy gun
B17 flying fortress had several 50 Cal machine guns for defense against attacking German luftwaffe fighters like bf109s, though many b17s were shot down, they also shot down many German fighters during WW2
fanfan John what?
Little known fact the B-17 only has 10 crew check in because Dennis, the captain, has Eleven kept in a cell back on base.
He was in a cell?
one of the best airfight films..
Мультики взрослые мультики их их не слушайте меня слышите взрослые мультики на 4 годагшоолпрнеегщщрою
the mustangs go under the defensive fire of their own bombers. lol
I was inside of that plane omg what plane so beautiful perfeck in every inch and when you close your eye's you can imagine atmosphere my favorite plane from 2 war world
This is why the B-29 was way ahead of its time. Remote controlled turrets. Too bad it wasn't used in the ETO.
This film and the Battle of Britain (1969?) are amazing films!
It’s still amazing how many Stuka dive bombers there are in these films though?!
The sound effects used in many films are done by a specialist called a foley operator. A foley machine contains a large library of sound effects used to enhance the experience for a film audience. For example when a fist fight is shown the real actors do not actually hit each other but come close enough to give an illusion of a fight. The real thing is really a dance with no impacts and no injuries. The sound effects have to be added afterwards, as well as the reaction grunts and cries of the fighters who in reality are just throwing totally non-violent shapes. Similar happens with staged explosions, impacts or other seemingly violent events. Airplane crashes usually use the same sound effect regardless of the airplane type, era or technology which is the dive bomber sound known as the jericho trumpet. Sound effect afficianadoes have learned to recognise a wide range of sound effects for people falling of high buildings, off horses or being shot etc and they have names for the more famous and most used of this library of sound effects.
@@jgdooley2003
A long reply and thanks! I was talking solely from a perspective of how many planes sound like a Stuka or the machine attached to it.
They did it on purpose to increase the noise factor and terror inflicted when bombing stuff!
My favorite movie when i was in elementary school 2016 ( i still liked it).
0:40 loved how it turned into a 40 mm bofor
I saw this at the base theater at Hahn AFB Germany when it came out. It was very real at the time. Great movie.
Tow actors from back to the future working together again here
Billy Zane and Eric Stoltz?
@@mikejordan8259And Courtney Gains.
Love how Hollywood thinks that every downed plane sounds like a Stuka
Funny how the German pilots waited until the Americans had their dramatic moment talking and didn't attack until the dramatic moment was over...
B17s in tight formations was proven to be ineffective against fighters. The gunners rarely had a chance to hit anything when the closing speed was over 600mph, blink and you'll miss them. B17s were just target practice for fighters until they had proper escort.
My best favorite movie!!! Brave pilots. Best plane. I love B17!!!! ❤️
Really, your favourite movie, it is disrespectful to the brave man that flew that mission and it's your favourite?
According to the film the crew were unprofessional drunken liars.. nice, way to go film makers in honouring the men of the 8th air force.
Some of the family members of the crew complained about how the crew were portrayed in the film, it's shocking they made such a disrespectful film hoping people wouldn't check.
Finally a realisticww2 movie made in the 90s
This looks like they used footage from the Memphis Belle
Better than the cgi nowadays in these kind of films
1:51 If you're wondering what was written on the paper, it says "I COULDN'T GET LAID LAST NIGHT!"
Really you never served
You are a idiot
@@wesleybrown3922 what’re you on about?
One of the decons at my church, his dad was in a b17. His Dad never talked about. Can't imagine what he saw.
What a terrifying way of warfare. Those guys had higher casualty rates than combat infantryman. The ball turret gunner had a virtual suicide post.
He was actually the safest
@@adriangoodman8901 what
Ye I kind of don't understand that because the ball turret is so cold and you're basically hanging
To escape from the ball turret, a buddy first had to crank it back up into the belly of the aircraft and help you out. Then, you had to don your parachute and find an exit. If you plane is going down- tumbling and in flames- it's almost certain that the gunner is going down with it.
@@panzerboi4756 ball turrets are a pretty small, "armored" target. The danger of the ball turret gunner comes from its absolute reliance on electricity and hydrolics. If your plane lost those things (like having all its engines shot) you were really kind of stuck, so if it lost landing gear too youre going to be squished on the runway... however all that damage means you're probably losing the plane anyway.
I think tail gunners statistically had it worse (during the actual dogfights) but the absolute existential horror of all that can go wrong in an electric turret means thats the scarier job.
It was also an era when electronic failures were just expected. Flight crews often ditched the heated flight suits because while they allowed a greater range of movement, they also could break, and so they often opted for jackets.
Wow BF-109 G1s vs B17s this has to be good
Immediately afterward, Rascall tries to break the tension by recalling a joke from the waist gunner of Windy City. Though they have trouble remembering what his name was, it was still a heartfelt moment from one of the seemingly least heartfelt members of the team
“We zink your trying to ezcape!”
@@planesrkool2727
GENE: "Stoller! THAT was the guy's name, Stoller!"
JACK: "No, no, no"
DENNIS: "Stoller wasn't on Windy City"
GENE: "Are you sure?"
JACK: "Hang on, it'll come to me"
RASCAL: "... well whatever his name was... it was a good joke"
flying fortresses were rather durable against flak and fighter fire, but they had some weak points.
1. the oxygen tanks. these were to keep the men breathing fresh air while at high altitudes. they had to wear oxygen masks when they were above 10,000 feet. the yellow oxygen tanks would be present in multiple places. if they were hit, then the crew would begin to run out of oxygen. they could pass out, and their plane would veer off.
2. the engines. this was more of a controllable thing than on the oxygen tanks. once the pilot and copilot realize that one engine is on fire, they would initiate the shutdown process: cut fuel, feather prop (rotating the propeller blades so that they reduce drag), use fire extinguishers, and turn generator off. obviously the fortresses could fly with less than four engines. the pilots on Windy City could have shut down the engine if they were not killed.
3. bombs. these were armed after takeoff. if they were hit, there is a good chance that they would detonate inside of the plane.
4. controls. in the cockpit, the controls were vital to keeping the plane in the air. if they were hit, they could be disabled. another part is the wires at the roof of the waist. these would either carry the oxygen around the plane or route power to the elevators. they could be hit, and the elevators could be disabled.
5. the crew, of course. the gunners would be the ones keeping the plane safe. there was little armor in the gunners area, so they could be easily injured from fighters. this and the death caused by the plane crashing to the ground is why the death rates were so high on the bombers. plus, as their plane is plummeting towards the earth, the g forces that are being forced onto them are too strong for them to handle. it won’t allow them to get out of the plane and pull the parachute.
Yep
The B-17 was called the Flying Fortress. It had two vulnerable areas the chin and the belly of the plane. Added chin gunner turret and belly gun turret made it still harder to shoot down.
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This looks so real
One of the most disturbing scenes i've seen in a ww2 movie is in this film when a shot German plane slices a US bomber...
Vadyamyi
@@JamesJames-yg2bp I say : )
It was the rookie plane, "Mother and Country" and they hear the screams for help over the radio as they go down. Scared the hell out of me as a kid.
@@Caesar316 Ta. Horrifying.
@Alan Cogan You are a horrible person
The really interesting film is the documentary made on the mission. Memphis Belle returned OK, but each incident shown in this movie happened to an aircraft on the mission. Kudos, USAAF.
1:04 Stuka siren😂😂
It's incredible isn't it. Nearly every film which has a plane crashing dubs in a Stuka's Jericho Trompete. Why? It smacks of rank amateurism and is so simple to avoid!
@@bilbobigbollix7318 Seems to have just been an old movie trick, guess it made it sound more terrifying and intense when a plane went down.
Almost all the plane Can do that when they fall down but I don't remember why
@@oxi3845 They don't really make this noise when they go down. However, some planes can make distinct whistle noises in dives. Such planes as the P-51 Mustang has a distinct whistle caused by wind flowing over the machine gun barrels.
Good observation. I was thinking the same thing.
my favorite movie growing up
I love this movie btw im from Memphis and live in Memphis
Does it not bother you the film is fantasy?
They managed to make a fictional film about a real even.
They changed all the names of the crew and made up disrespectful stories about these real heroic men.
The Co pilot never left his job on mission to have a go with the tail gun, how ridiculous to say he did.
Radio man was never wounded, Ball turret was not destroyed, engines all running when the Belle landed, there was no fire.
Piot, Captain Robert Morgan.
Co piot, Captain James Verinis.
Navigator, Captain Charles Leighton... he was never drunk on mission.
Bombardier, Captain Vincent Evans.. he never lied about his education to get into the air force, very disrespectful for the film makers to say he did.
Top Turret Gunner, Harold Loch.
Radio Operator, Robert Hanson.
Left waist, Bill Winchester.
Right waist, Scott Miller.
Ball Turret, Cecil Scott.
Tail Gunner, John Quinlaw, he never lost the family farm in a card game, he wasn't even a farmer, he worked in a carpet shop.. he also never left his post in combat and again it's very disrespectful for the film makers to invent lies about these men.
At the time this shite film came out some complaints from the families of the crew were noted..
How disrespectful to do that to war heroes.
Gail Raby Damn, I never knew that. I still like the movie, but it sucks to hear what they did. I’m also pretty sure that some of the crew members still had like one or two missions to do after this. But if I’m wrong on that do tell me.
Grandpa said this was realistic except for all the chatter. Shot down over Vienna Austria, 11 men in his b24, 5 got out and spent the rest of the war as pow. Also he said it was really cold. He landed barefooted, heat boots fell off and was saved from being strung up by a Luftwaffen captain