Why YouTubers Don't Leave YouTube - Safety Third 48
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Safety Third is a weekly show hosted by William Osman, NileRed, The Backyard Scientist, Allen Pan, and a couple other UA-cam "Scientists". Sometimes we have guests, sometimes it's just us, but always: safety is our number three priority.
You guys should make a podcast out of this
Yeah right!
novel idea
Yeah I agree. It would also be cool to have people like William Osman, NileRed and the Backyard Scientist to host? Just spitballing ideas
It is a podcast
@@Tornandon Nahh I couldn’t have known
I downloaded the podcasts and rewatch them multiple times while digging tunnels so each podcast is more like 3 percent of my week
tunnels are cool.
Digging tunnels for the cartels? Who's digging tunnels these day?
Hello tunnel man.
@@christianterrill3503 Gotta get out of prison somehow😆
@@christianterrill3503 Colin Furze
I feel like Nigel really was speaking to a common introverts experience throughout the pandemic. Not being famous youtubers though, most of us are just lonely now lol
I binge watched/listened to most of Safety Third a couple of weeks ago, and I can say it was the best 27.98% of my week!
They say someone might watch a video twice, I have watched most of the podcasts 3 times.
Nigel: complaining about not being able to make friends on UA-cam and barely being able to hang out with his friends nowadays
Also Nigel: mentions a different friend every 5-10 minutes
Can relate, but I found it funny xd
It'd be interesting to have the larger creators that's part of the Safety Third community come on for a segment to talk about this shift in old/current youtube. Get Dapz on here.
dapz would be a cool gust
Why Nile looking more and more like Nile Green every time i see him?
A couple things. First, it appears YT has, very recently, like within the past month or so, changed something in the algorithm (whether intentionally or not). I have been seeing tiny creators and videos with a tiny number of views being recommended to me on the front page very often. I've run into people on Twitter claiming exactly the same thing. Personally, I love it, and the reaction I saw on Twitter from other people agreeing that they've been seeing it too has also been positive, so hopefully whatever metrics YT is trusting over top of what people actually say (which they definitely totally ignore, otherwise they wouldn't have decided to make the "Subscribe" button little more than a placebo) lets that stick around.
Second, about the long-term consequences of having a 'perfect algorithm.' There is book called 'A Drunkard's Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Everyday Lives'. It is very good. It doesn't deal with YT specifically, but deals with a couple different creative fields, book publishing and movies. In it, they explain that the public response to creative works is purely random. Which it is. There are no 'patterns' to be discovered. No one is a 'tastemaker'. No one 'knows what the people want.' Those things are (IMO, this reasoning is not in the book, they attribute the randomness to the audience being different every time, which is true, but that doesn't explain why the industries invent these myths, which is what I'm about to claim) because people in those industries, television programmers, publishing company executives, heads of movie production companies, etc CAN'T admit that it's just random. Imagine going in for a promotion and saying "hey man, I'll take my shot, but its random so even odds I fail." That person doesn't get the promotion. The bullshit artist who swears they have a 'bold new vision' gets the promotion. That's how you end up with wrestling on the Sci-Fi Network and them changing their name to Syfy. It's how you get reality TV taking over MTV. It's why despite the numbers conclusively proving that the "hot streaks" and "cold streaks" these creative industry executives lay claim to are available, they are never given heed. People FEEL that putting big-name movie stars in their film increases the odds it'll make money. They think Titanic and ignore Waterworld. They've revised their own memory so they don't remember the innumerable movie-industry magazine articles swearing that it is an absolutely guarantee that Titanic will implode for x, y, z before it came out. UA-cam is the same. The audience response is perfectly random. There is no 'perfect algorithm' because the audience is always changing. Both entirely different sets of individuals make up the viewership AND even when it's the same people, those people have changed. Their interests have changed, matured, are informed by everything from world events to their own lives to consuming meta-style content on the platform about the platform. Also, unlike with heroin (cocaine or meth would be a better example, btw, and those are better direct dopamine-with-nothing-else drivers, especially meth, than heroin. Meth directly targets dopamine receptors, essentially, while opiates target endogenous opioid receptors which some of them do result in dopaminergic action but there are a bunch of different kinds of opioid receptors and they do other things, that's why overdoses caused by the laws forcing people into unregulated black markets kill people through suppressing their breathing while overdoses from cocaine result from cardiac events or stroke), what stimulates dopamine is different for everybody. While videos that explore the fundamentals of software construction and systems engineering turn my crank like little else.... most people don't give a shit. I have never watched a Mr. Beast video. I have never watched a Paul brothers idiocy-fest. I may have watched 1 Casey Neistat video at some point, I don't really recall. I've watched every video about depression-era cooking from the late Clara Cannucciari. There IS no perfect route to a persons dopamine pathways through creative expression. Period. And there never can be. People and their life experiences are far too different. What the YT algorithm is optimizing for, also, excludes anything not advertiser-friendly. I dearly loved tvfilthyfrank. I dearly love now Brandon Rogers. Those kinds of things are things YT says people are "not supposed to" like because it's not milquetoast boring drivel targetted at a 4th grade comprehension level like USA Today articles. YT intends to eventually, I believe, restrict the platform to creators they can have direct creative control over. I think that is its inevitable future, and then it will just be supplanted by something else. Eric Schmidt's book "The New Digital Age" basically proscribes that. The book argues, essentially, that because Google is rich, that means they "Won", and that because they won it is their social responsibility to actively manipulate global culture and take that power out of the hands of those who 'lost' by being poor. So they seek to ossify global culture and freeze it at the level it was at when they originally rose to prominence. Social developments and changes which occurred after that will be disallowed. If every human being on planet Earth had an epiphany and decided to not worry about nudity any more, Google would make absolutely certain that this could not be communicated and it would not change their platforms. You can guarantee it. It wasn't OK in the early-2000s and as far as the corporate gigabehemoth is concerned, it will always be thus. Same goes for any other set of social norms, nudity isn't special, I just picked it as a visible example.
I would definitely be interested in a video about all the new youtuber stuff. There are however many billions of videos out there, but I'll see the same video recommendation twice on my screen without even scrolling sometimes. I'm just starting off in the world of UA-cam and am in the same genre as you guys (more so William - I make varied stuff but usually it's goofy robots/coding stuff), so that would be an awesome watch for me.
this is the best 0.6% of my week
I personally enjoy episodes with three people more than the ones with 3+. Not always the case, some episodes with more people were just as good - but people tend to talk over each other more when it's more people. (duh lol) I vividly remember Kevin starting a really interesting thought, getting interrupted- and never finishing it a few episodes ago.
As someone just sort of starting out/dabbling with UA-cam I really enjoy hearing your guys takes on the state of things. It's really fascinating and insightful to hear! Definitely a good 0.6% of my week
I love the evolution of Safety Third - it's becoming a really professional thing.
I love this video. I listen/watch you guys very often and love all these of your content. When you mentioned about not being able to fully articulate how you stress and feel about what you do and people not always getting it relates a great deal to me. I'm a pastor, and not trying to get overly religious or start any arguments, but I on any given week, lead two - three studies, and preach two sermons. I am creating all this 'content' so to speak on a weekly basis and it seemingly not only never ends, but is constantly on review by others. Because, honestly, it is.
I appreciate you guys immensely!
I have binged like 12 episodes of this podcast this week, and I can say it has probably been the best 12 hours of my week.
FTW
When William was asking about what story to tell:
I don't think people watch youtube because they want to be youtubers.
People who want to be youtubers watch youtube.
If your goal is to make a video people want to watch, ask yourself why people watch. Maybe some people would appreciate a how to guide, but for me; I watch videos for the personality of the presenter combined with a light amount of learning and a heavy amount of exploration.
I was getting the same vibe, but if you look at the comment section, there is a fair amount of people discussing their experiences about being/wanting to be creators, so maybe he is not mistaken.
Also, it was kind of strange when Will said ".. but they might not be watching it for the reason I want them to", or something like that. IMO he can't control that, so he should worry about it. Anyway, hopefully he feels better by exploring his ideas, or maybe taking a break, whatever he needs.
@@isaidromerogavino8902 Your quote from Will is, I think, the same point I was making. He wats to make a video about the ins and outs of being a creator to bennefit society in some way, but I think most people are going to watch it just because he is the one putting that video out; not because we actually care what the content is (we do, but to what degree). We'd watch almost anything he puts out.
@@HeinzeC1 yeah, you prob right. I must admit to not being a long time fan of Will, simply bc never had any contact with his content until very recently (I came to know the podcast from NileRed/Styropyro) but the few last videos he uploaded were definitely my kind of stuff, so most likely people are gonna watch whatever he puts out there (more so, when it is related to MrBeast). However, it makes me curious what is it that he wants to achieve with such project, since he doesn't seem to be completely sure on it. Let's just hope it is as great as he aims it to be.
Y'all make my week! I listen to you guys while I meal prep for next week!
I myself am a fledgling UA-cam Creator. I have no idea what I am doing. My success has felt randomly obtained. I want to make easy content, but I expect myself to make quality like the people I watch. I feel like I'm wandering in the dark most of the time.
I also do not feel like there is any community. There is no way for me to easily communicate with any other creators. My algorithm has trapped me in a corner.
As a new creator my experience is the audience is much more demanding of quality which is hard for a lone person on a budget learning basically an entire industry from scratch but then at the same time society is much more forgiving of "trying to become a youtuber" since it's now seen as a valid career.
I've seen a lot of people with lockdown guilt, people wouldn't host public events of generally less than 10 people because "if one person got sick I'd feel terrible" but a lot of those same people would travel internationally get the co-vid and then show up to other public events. So to me they were not concerned with getting people sick but the perceptions from others about not getting people sick.
i listen to this podcast 168 times in a row (or at least until the next one comes out) every week.
1:30 I’d say I honestly get pretty happy when I see a new podcast from yous guys.
6:17 Nigel's joker laugh
The sad thing is that people, including the current panel are afraid to try new things because it will cause "the algorithm" to demote their current content. I'd love to see creators like Cody'sLab continue with his, ChickenHoleBase (a.k.a Mars Simulator project) but it seems like that's not so popular so Cody can't pursue it without sinking his channel. UA-cam has got to the point where it actually sucks.
I described UA-cam to my SO by saying "I feel like I'm standing in a crowd of people who are all waiving and screaming and I have to somehow get your attention through it."
.3% of my week is this podcast thanks to 2x speed BABY.
This is by far the best percent of my week.
As someone who is a small UA-camr in 2022, I’ll say that it does seem harder now then it would have been in like 2010-13 or so. Not too sure cuz I wasn’t really active on UA-cam at the time.
But they problem I have personally is it’s hard to compete with bigger channels when they Do it for a living so that is their job Vs someone like me who does UA-cam on the side while working full time. Also the fact they big channel often have a team of people Helping with things like editing so they can pump out content fast and more regularly.
I think with the really high quality standard large channels like mr. Beast can be intimidating because you feel like you need to complete with that and that’s just not possible. But that also means it’s harder for people to want to subscribe to your channel because there are way better options out there that have way higher production value and consistency.
I don’t think it’s impossible for new channels to become huge today, but it’s definitely harder just because there is more competition
48:45 that sounds like a fun way to do UA-cam, meeting friends along the way as you are building towards a video.
I just started trying to take UA-cam seriously, I watch back what I've created and think, "This is unwatchable garbage." I've spent weeks on my current project. It's not like I can just upload it, I have 34 hours of footage. Feels good to know that bigger youtubers are aware of my pain.
As someone just trying to get into creating I find it hard to gain traction on UA-cam with so many other high quality creators. I often find I’ll make 1-10k views if I post my video on Reddit but only ~100 if it just goes on my channel.
The point about the effect of covid on collaborations is so interesting; I follow people on YT and Twitch and I've actually seen the exact opposite happen on Twitch. It used to be one person streaming single player games and now it's actually multiplayer streams that get more views.
Kevin's video is still not posted! :(
Will you should do a series about all of the pieces of youtube you want to talk about. Trying to make one large video would probably result in you never finishing it due to how much you would want to cover
Will could upload a video about him cleaning his toilet and i'd watch it. Your choice in video topics is what got me to click, but what keeps me watching is your personality and style of covering whatever it is
In regard to William's question about how he should shape his video with Mr. Beast, this is what would be interesting to me, as a journalist who writes on the creator economy: What has youtube become, and is that good or bad. Mr. Beast started in the age of just throwing something ridiculous online, and through his success, he has partially changed what is expected of a UA-cam video. (it needs a perfect story, etc.). Has Mr.Beast eliminated the possibility for another Mr.Beast? And is that good or bad?
I have to ask. Are you guys going to post any vlog content for your joint Japan vacation on this channel. I know that Pewdipie released a vlog of you at that off-roading track.
I listen while playing video games.
Algorithm: here's a bit of more anecdotal information to look out for: Who else has found once they subscribe(not alerts) to a channel the algorithm stops serving up that channels videos in the feed?
i think making a video about the history of youtube that incorporates the perspective of a new creator would best illustrate your point
I mean, to be honest this podcast *is* lowkey the best part of my week lol. Love it!
I still think there is a lot of space for that "junky" type of start... people loved youtube for its realnes and for their personality and exactly for that fealing of "I can do it as well" ... Nowdays I have fealing that youtube start to look like normal television network and it is distancing lot of people. I beleive there is still lot of hunger for that "junky" one men operation, not polished at all approach to making video and people would still love it. And you have much more eyeballs as well.
I get so excited seeing a new video publish. Best .6% of my week I can spend
NILE IS DRIPPED OUT!
I just found this podcast this week. I've spend HOURS listening while working. I'd say this podcast bringing about 0.6% of my happiness this week is accurate.
P.S. ILY
I watch you guys because I like smart creative people. That's really hard to fake. Tik tok is smooth brain and I know I can find the wrinkles on UA-cam
Yes. Absolutely yes. Will please make Ken Burns: History of UA-cam by William Osman.
its really interesting to see, currently, what feels like a divide between Big UA-camrs and smaller youtubers. i watch a lot of people right now who are in the 50k to 300k range who dont have particularly high quality videos (they use older cameras/their phones, no separate mics, and on a deeper level the content they make isnt as Much-- but also they arent like, racing against themselves to make the best video they can and one up their last video each time). so while when a lot of people think of making a living off of youtube they think of mr beast, but there still is a huge underbelly of creators who wouldnt have been out of place on youtube 5 or 10 years ago, and are still more than capable of making a living. however, those channels are mostly viewed by adults i think, so they dont really affect a kid or teens view of what "being a youtuber" is like.
I want to hear the full story; like a multi episode story about highs lows and challenges.
18:10 Oof, that hit home...
"The algorithm is too good, it's like heroin, you can't just have heroin all the time" Actually really accurate, the attention span exploitation is refined down to a page full of everything you want, until you start to build up a tolerance for a kind of content, then the page just feels bland and uninteresting, you get frustrated with the lack of fulfillment and entertainment, until you find the next thing. When they introduced shorts, it was like refining that down even further. Don't get me wrong, I love spending time on the platform, but I think that's part of the problem. When that algorithm isn't recommending things that are up to my high tolerance expectations, it just feels empty. Really good insight on your part.
Can you guys get Cody from Cody's Lab on the podcast?
I’ve run through all of these podcasts three times.
I'd actually like if the documentary is a lot longer to give time to each of the ideas brought up. I know it's far more work to make a longer video, but you seem interested in each of the different ways to take the story, and I'd like to see those ideas really explored. I don't think 30 minutes is going to be able to fully encapsulate what I think is going to be a lot of important discussions and points of views from other creators.
hey it would be really nice if these podcasts had proper subtitles, as youtube auto captions tends to get things quite wrong, and often it is hard to tell what was said without rewatching things several times. I do understand though that subtitling a 1 hour podcast can be a tad mindnumbing though! Keep up the good content otherwise!
Best .6% of my week 😂
I've noticed that the movie review channels im subscribed to will do the same movies around the same time.
This is the best almost hour of my week, every week
As someone who is a new UA-camr, I personally don't make videos for views, subs or money. It's cool to see views go up but I'm not going to be mad if I spend time making a video and it flops. I like making videos if I find something cool or interesting that other people might enjoy, or if I think of a big idea that would be fun to realise, such as the video I'm currently making, where I'm writing a script for the first time, and putting decent amounts of effort into, although I've had this idea for weeks and am now, only after watching this podcast, working on it again. I feel that people who do aspire to make money from videos, and want to do it without scams or buying views, need a fair bit of equipment to make videos to a standard that should be acceptable in the current UA-cam meta, and unfortunately, someone who posts the best content, with the best thumbnails and best everything, the algorism still might not pick it up, in favour for other content. Honestly I feel that UA-camrs have a hard time competing with one another, and this is obviously present, but it is possible, which is why I feel like so many people want to be UA-camrs and get lucky. I know this probably doesn't add much to your points you have, but I felt I should give my opinion anyways, thanks to anyone reading, have a great day (and happy late halloween :) )
I think it helps if you watch a video and get that moment like "Wait, I can do that as well." and you are not gonna get that from a Mister Beast video most likely. If you look at I did a thing he just has a garage and some tools, some people probably have access to that kind of stuff through their parents and they were messing about with it anyway, so to get to the idea of making your own video in that style isn't that far away.
Top 15 events of the week, for sure.
yt would be more social if they didn't delete all the social aspects of it. We used to have messages and chat rooms. You have to use outside means to be social which is kinda unfortunate.
Best part of my week 100%
I haven't heard about people guilting other people over hanging out at someone's house since mid or late 2021. Maybe that's a Canadian thing? Or maybe in Southern Europe people got over this way of thinking faster. 🙈 We've had like 6-7 (8?) covid waves at this point anyway. People just don't care anymore. And we're always dealing with one crisis or another.
Honestly I would say the new creator angle would be the most popular but I also think the what is it like being a yt would also do well
The Kassem G name drop was interesting in light of the SDCC video he put out this week
This is my second favorite podcast, first is the yard
you guys should make youtube channels!
this is the best 1 hour of my life every week!!
I love what you guys do. When you make anything you have fun with and are passionate about thats when I have the most fun watching
William you're definitely an old man yelling at the clouds. Maybe as a creator that community is dead but as a viewer youtube is thriving imo. This is my favorite platform so I'm biased.
it was pretty much obligatory from youtube, if they didn't put the ads there the others corporations would've done it in a way more unorganized way, and they would buy the creators as much as possible
Actually, did the community feel of UA-cam die when T Series overtook PewDiePie back in 2019?
Thinking back, that's when I felt like people power couldn't compete with money that was flooding into the platform.
Regardless, is love to see a full doco series about UA-cam history. I'm just a random guy who's been an avid watcher since 2009 and has seen a lot of changes, mostly for the bad.
Watching your personal videos is my favorite. This still hits top 10% though! PS. I tried ordering a boingy ball yesterday 20 minutes after the video went out before they sold out and my order wouldn’t go through. That was my least favorite percent of this week so far. 😢. Jk. You’re all mvps.
The best 0.06% of my week.
To me, UA-cam used to be UA-cam poop, shit posts of what if Mario and Luigi said bad words and did crimes, asdf movie, school projects
I have an idea for a segment, you guys should review all of your most popular videos and discuss why you think they got so many views
I've wanted to start making UA-cam videos forever now. But I have always felt like it was cringe, or that I don't have the time and money to do it, that I have never really tried to make videos.
You should talk to codyslab for the UA-cam conversation because I feel like he might have a similar perspective to Nigel
Will isn't wrong youtube has gotten a more empty feeling and one of the things that contribute to that is the videos at the side. It use to be a great way to go to related videos or just random videos and now it can mainly be used to see what ever other videos the current channel your watching has or other channels your subbed to.
this 0.6% of my week is the top 60% of my week
Kevin gives heavy Florida Plantation vibes
Coming from a heroin addict, yes you can eat heroin. Is orally active
can't wait for the BFRocketKnife with good fuel
Only .3% of my week because I listen to all content on double speed 😄
I enjoy listening while hyper-fixating on a craft. XD
Yes it is true
did u know one guy did starry night on minecraft look it up its cool in 3 d
Are you happy Will?
I have been getting this thing with I only video for streamers clips I like them but I also like UA-cam videos but all my home page is stream because I watched a episode of the yard because cdwagva was in one of them and now I am fucked
UA-cam's current poster boy is dream I think
You guys should have Ididathing, Styropyro, Ex&F, Jake Laser, Michael Reeves, and hear me out, it sounds crazy but Trash Taste on the podcast. Maybe add a 4th host like Allen Pan maybe ... doing great.
This and a hot dog is a sandwich are my two podcasts. I am complete!
William is the kind of guy who don't aware but people simp for him.
0:30 yes that’s right
1:33 yes that’s true
@TheBackyardScientist Nice haircut 😎
Safety Third! Fuck yeah!!
Anyone see similarity between these guys and Big Bang Theory cast?
Will = Leonard
Allan = Howard
Nigel = raj
Kevin (at a stretch) = sheldon
I'd love to be on the podcast as a guest talking about this.
Will, i'll be your friend! ❤ let's make something cool! I'm in OC