The smoke really brings the loco to life the only thing I wish could be done like the Dapol black label locos is the smoke to puff in time with the chuff chuff sounds.
50 years ago I had a Hornby with sound and smoke.. the sound was a plastic paddle on the tender wheel that rubbed against some sandpaper thing attached to a plastic "sound box" and the smoke was just oil on a pad that was heated by some wire. The thing was that a small piston driven from the front driving wheel caused the smoke to puff out of the chimney like a real steam engine and was proportional to the speed the loco was running
This is brilliant. Going to need this issue as all the additions are things that I would love to add to my fleet at some point. Smoke in the locomotive is so awesome but I do wonder about the possibility of warping to the funnel plastic areas over time. What stunning locomotive. Clint
Mike; just a pointer on pronunciation. SEUTHE is pronounced “SOYTER”. As luck has it I was sat with a German gent on holiday and asked him the question. Obviously a fabulous video again. I did write to Hornby and asked them to alert the design team to making provision for smoke generators under the chimney. I think they have taken this idea on board. (I had to drill through the block for my K1s - Not for the faint hearted!!) I never heard back regarding the Buffer Stops btw. Best wishes, as ever, Rob.
i'm still amazed by how you Brits create these BEAUTFUL layouts but let the manufacturers get away with being so lazy in 1/76 whereas we on the continent ask wayyyy mnore from our 1/87 manufacturers and get better results... This is a nice looking loco, but from what i've seen an average 1990's Fleischmann loco is more detailed than comparable loco's from Hornby/triang while 1/76 is considerably bigger than 1/87. having said so, the sound does have a good bass to it.
There isn't really much more detail to go on. British (and Irish at that) locomotives are remarkably neat on the exterior, with next to nothing besides reverser and handrails
Agreed. The coaches are not even close coupled, which has been standard in HO for at least 20 years. OO came into being because in the 1930s Hornby couldn't make electric motors small enough to fit HO scale locomotives. Hornby has been far behind Europe ever since.
The problem with using the Princess Coronation sound for the Princess Royal class is that the two are completely different. The Princess Coronations have double chimneys which gives the exhaust a wonderfully open sound. The Princess Royals have a single chimney which gives them a very harsh bark so much so that you can hear how much the exhaust is constricted. The Princess Coronations sound is very deep whereas the Princess Royals sound is very loud.
Great work as always guys. Never heard a EM2 speaker on steam before. It sounds pretty good. Any chance you could do a article/video on fitting end of trains lamps to rolling stock in the future if it hasn't been done already? Regards Gary
Very nice. I enjoy your videos in here in Canada. It would be a lot more realistic if you took advantage of the close coupling mechanism on the coaches. Six foot spacing very difficult for passengers.
Nice job guys. I don't like smoke generators myself, makes it toylike, but each to his own. One thing you missed though was that this is steam loco not a powered boxcar, where's the crew. You can run a powered boxcar by remote but not a steam loco.
I've got an original princess smoker...... doesn't produce anywhere near the amount of smoke as that. Hahaaaaa. Nice to be able to change the settings on the go, let alone the sounds..... :o
OMG I want That! A Question from a Canadian BR fan: Passenger coach #4 looks odd riding so high above her bogies, there is a sizable open space between the floor and the trucks side-frames. Why is that?
Smoke units were a bit of a gimmick from the early days of Triang with their snychrosmoke, I think Lionel in the states do a great job on their models , I’d prefer this model in analogue to be honest ,
Have a good evening, Could you please show me step by step the steps to install the smoke generator on this locomotive? Thank you very much Andrea Savinelli
Can these Zimo chips do exhaust synchronisation on the steam sound? So you can have the right number of exhaust chuffs per wheel revolution.. This keeps the sound in scale with the speed, which can really helps drivers keep their speeds right because they sound right! I know you can do this on the Loksound chips with CV 57 & 58 (Manual Loksound V5 Section13.3 )
Parax77 yes, there is both a low speed and medium speed CV for setting the chuff synchronization to 4 chuffs per rev (or 6 for a 3cylinder). Zimo also have a good method for doing it live while the loco is running.
That smoke generator is a bit violent when starting with a snap, I recommend programming the fan to slowly switch on after a couple of seconds of starting up an to mimic how a real engine would start up
You’ve convinced me. I will never add a “smoke generator” to a model. It looks nothing like steam (water vapour) from a steam engine, and the constant buzz when it’s switched on is a real turn-off. And I don’t understand why customers are expected to breathe in the fumes/particulates created by the smoke generator. It can’t fail to be bad for your health.
It would be much better if the presenter did not let his voice fall and rush to the end of each sentence. He might know what he has to say but I can't hear it all!
I don't think the smoke effect is very good at all, thank you for the 'heads up' I will not bother buying this, a shame really because I quite like the look of the locomotive.
There is only one thing worse than a smoke generator on a steam train, and that's a smoke generator on a diesel. Pointless, trashy gimmick. Also, for me the relative novelty of sound is losing it's appeal on the kettles. Until they can come up with some method of getting it in synch with the valve gear, rather like the smoke, it detracts from the realism. Rant over, off to lie down in a darkened room!
The smoke really brings the loco to life the only thing I wish could be done like the Dapol black label locos is the smoke to puff in time with the chuff chuff sounds.
50 years ago I had a Hornby with sound and smoke.. the sound was a plastic paddle on the tender wheel that rubbed against some sandpaper thing attached to a plastic "sound box" and the smoke was just oil on a pad that was heated by some wire. The thing was that a small piston driven from the front driving wheel caused the smoke to puff out of the chimney like a real steam engine and was proportional to the speed the loco was running
Dapol black label A4 is my favourite loco. I wish they would make more.
absolutely brilliant, i'll be sure to try and pick one up!
Beautiful looking unit
This is brilliant. Going to need this issue as all the additions are things that I would love to add to my fleet at some point. Smoke in the locomotive is so awesome but I do wonder about the possibility of warping to the funnel plastic areas over time. What stunning locomotive. Clint
The smoke generator has a timer to stop it overheating. The timer is controlled by settings in the decoder. HM.
Mike; just a pointer on pronunciation. SEUTHE is pronounced “SOYTER”. As luck has it I was sat with a German gent on holiday and asked him the question. Obviously a fabulous video again. I did write to Hornby and asked them to alert the design team to making provision for smoke generators under the chimney. I think they have taken this idea on board. (I had to drill through the block for my K1s - Not for the faint hearted!!)
I never heard back regarding the Buffer Stops btw. Best wishes, as ever, Rob.
i'm still amazed by how you Brits create these BEAUTFUL layouts but let the manufacturers get away with being so lazy in 1/76 whereas we on the continent ask wayyyy mnore from our 1/87 manufacturers and get better results... This is a nice looking loco, but from what i've seen an average 1990's Fleischmann loco is more detailed than comparable loco's from Hornby/triang while 1/76 is considerably bigger than 1/87. having said so, the sound does have a good bass to it.
There isn't really much more detail to go on. British (and Irish at that) locomotives are remarkably neat on the exterior, with next to nothing besides reverser and handrails
Agreed. The coaches are not even close coupled, which has been standard in HO for at least 20 years. OO came into being because in the 1930s Hornby couldn't make electric motors small enough to fit HO scale locomotives. Hornby has been far behind Europe ever since.
Coach 4 is doing my head in
Is that a set or do you have to buy them separately looks really good ❤❤❤
The problem with using the Princess Coronation sound for the Princess Royal class is that the two are completely different. The Princess Coronations have double chimneys which gives the exhaust a wonderfully open sound. The Princess Royals have a single chimney which gives them a very harsh bark so much so that you can hear how much the exhaust is constricted. The Princess Coronations sound is very deep whereas the Princess Royals sound is very loud.
Great work as always guys. Never heard a EM2 speaker on steam before. It sounds pretty good. Any chance you could do a article/video on fitting end of trains lamps to rolling stock in the future if it hasn't been done already?
Regards Gary
Gives me chills but the good kind 🤔😍
Great stuff! Can I ask - what is the loud crackling sound as the train enters the tunnel at the end of the video - and can it be turned off. Thanks.
Amazing work! Looks brilliant
Nice smoke, and and model
great video, i still have a triang princess, the new ones are quite expensive. at least my old davy crockett loco still blows out smoke !
Very nice. I enjoy your videos in here in Canada.
It would be a lot more realistic if you took advantage of the close coupling mechanism on the coaches.
Six foot spacing very difficult for passengers.
Nice job guys. I don't like smoke generators myself, makes it toylike, but each to his own. One thing you missed though was that this is steam loco not a powered boxcar, where's the crew. You can run a powered boxcar by remote but not a steam loco.
Is hornby going to realease No 46203 Princess Margaret Rose in late BR Red next year?
i cnat see this on the website to order got a link ?
Can the seuthe smoke generator work with DC locomotives?
I have one bought in 2010 plus a full set of the of the Orient Express
Most realistic.
Now create a marklin system compatible version want to run this on my layout as well 🪄
I've got an original princess smoker...... doesn't produce anywhere near the amount of smoke as that. Hahaaaaa.
Nice to be able to change the settings on the go, let alone the sounds..... :o
OMG I want That! A Question from a Canadian BR fan:
Passenger coach #4 looks odd riding so high above her bogies, there is a sizable open space between the floor and the trucks side-frames. Why is that?
It’s an older generation Hornby model of the LMS 12 wheel restaurant car. It’s on our job list for future modifications to match current stock. HM
What is product code , i wish to purchase
Smoke units were a bit of a gimmick from the early days of Triang with their snychrosmoke, I think Lionel in the states do a great job on their models , I’d prefer this model in analogue to be honest ,
You should try and make the smoke come out the front when it sets off
Have a good evening,
Could you please show me step by step the steps to install the smoke generator on this locomotive? Thank you very much
Andrea Savinelli
Hello Andrea; all the steps are showed, quite clearly, in Hornby Magazine issue n. 160. You can buy the digital version for something around 6 €.
@@darioscopacasa6363 thanks so much
It is as original train how much price
Magnifique !
I use Hornby live steam so i get lots of steam but hopefully no smoke.
Amazing
Can these Zimo chips do exhaust synchronisation on the steam sound? So you can have the right number of exhaust chuffs per wheel revolution.. This keeps the sound in scale with the speed, which can really helps drivers keep their speeds right because they sound right!
I know you can do this on the Loksound chips with CV 57 & 58 (Manual Loksound V5 Section13.3 )
Parax77 yes, there is both a low speed and medium speed CV for setting the chuff synchronization to 4 chuffs per rev (or 6 for a 3cylinder). Zimo also have a good method for doing it live while the loco is running.
That smoke generator is a bit violent when starting with a snap, I recommend programming the fan to slowly switch on after a couple of seconds of starting up an to mimic how a real engine would start up
I don’t think seuthe smoke units are fan driven
Oh dear, who said a Coronation sounds like a Princess Royal ?
Hi my name is Phil I fired a number of these locomotive in my 50yrs on the footplate 8yrs on steam Regards Phil.
Smoke generators!!! They will be bringing back magnadesion next!!
someone send this to Sam's Trains
You’ve convinced me. I will never add a “smoke generator” to a model. It looks nothing like steam (water vapour) from a steam engine, and the constant buzz when it’s switched on is a real turn-off. And I don’t understand why customers are expected to breathe in the fumes/particulates created by the smoke generator. It can’t fail to be bad for your health.
I was thinking the same, when it first switched on it sounded like a breaker going. Also I am sure that oil must be carcinogenic.
I agree it looks utter rubbish and who knows what the effects on out health might be? A bad product all round.
Us poor ppl crying rn.
It would be much better if the presenter did not let his voice fall and rush to the end of each sentence. He might know what he has to say but I can't hear it all!
That train is not IS NOT Bonny
I don't think the smoke effect is very good at all, thank you for the 'heads up' I will not bother buying this, a shame really because I quite like the look of the locomotive.
The loco doesn't come with smoke
Idea for April fools can you put a wrong sound in wrong loco so u can fool people or even better do it to real loco train
I legitimately thought the title was horny princess....
My bad, sorry....need to get an eye checkup
B
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There is only one thing worse than a smoke generator on a steam train, and that's a smoke generator on a diesel. Pointless, trashy gimmick. Also, for me the relative novelty of sound is losing it's appeal on the kettles. Until they can come up with some method of getting it in synch with the valve gear, rather like the smoke, it detracts from the realism. Rant over, off to lie down in a darkened room!
You ok Steve?
Maybe needs abit of graffiti on the bridge.