Due to my live. Work famili ect. I almost never teamhunting. I heard friends on ts they said we got 10kk RAW th. While I got 7-8 on 150 %😂😂😂 nice balance
Havent played tibia since 2011. Coming back has been an extreme shock. Everyone is extremely high levels, people selling and buying characters, and huge inflation of gold spending. I'm 100% a solo player and will always be, I'll work on my knight at my own pace. Exactly how it should be.
Hi Lee, I just discovered this video, excellent work and thank you for doing this research for all of us. Now I am going to check the pdf file xD have a great day!
I agree with you, but I don't think nerfing 4 team xp will solve. Because a lot of players who already hunted in teams abused this mechanic so this will create even more imbalance. Best way is to buff solo, duo and trio hunting only.
Great video. Goes to the point of the biggest problem of Tibia now. (A fixable one, Dominandos is a more complex issue) And is something that can be fixed easily. If you are a normal person, that wont have the exactly free time of the same Party. Gonna spend 1h+ per day, trying to find a Full Party. Trying. Not always gonna work. One day this process gets tiring... And you will gonna focus on Solo, to have less frustration in-game. But then you realize the huge difference of XP and Profit, Team Hunts are doing. And this is a constant huge frustration to Solo Players. The game should be about enjoy the time, not a permanent Huge Unbalanced thing. And as the solution points out, a good Boost to Party is expected and reasonable. Just doesnt need to be as Huge as it is today.
Great and well timed video, this should had been adressed by cipsoft time ago, now we have whales (2500) and its imposible. And 1 more thing, shouln't defensive prey be removed or at least get nerf to 15% just as a defensive imbuements, its another reason teams are OP since haracetrs are overperforming and also can not be killed by the creatures.
Great video, it took years for cipsoft to rebalance and update the old and obsolite spot, back in the days story is unleashed here ,but question is is cipsoft intrested in that? or care just for profit now, not so much for the futre of the game.
Tibia Needed to create something to make team hunting a thing. They also had issue with Paladins and Sorcs not being invited to hunts. Mainly it was Druids and Knights many many many years ago. The Party share was a way to help fix this. EVEN if its OP - imo - its ok because it brings people together. Now its unbalanced for a solo player. So how do they fix that?
Great video as always Lee. If they increases base XP to 150% and rebalance party xp to 35% would be the same for 4x hunt, also they have to accordingly fix boosts so increasing all creatures xp by 50% would be better.
If any knight or pallies out there are looking for English speaking team, me and my brother are transferring our 380-420 mages over to Astera! Hit me up!
Mind Boggling that that Poll in 2021 was clear for solo players, but CIP have moved aggressively towards team only play since then??? I keep quitting rl tibia and moving to OT servers because i can actually compete as a solo player. ON rl tibia, solo players just fall into the shadows.
IMHO the players huting solo are probably less likely to spend TCs on prey cards, bonus exp etc. I wouldn't be surprised if CiP makes 80% of their revenue from those 17% of players that prefer to hunt in team. More exp and more killed creatures -> more profit and easier exp -> easier access to gps -> easier access to TCs and so on. Of course lower levels would be forced to buy TCs for real money rather than currency in game. It feels to me like more and more hutning ground are designed for team hunts for lower levels.
I doubt Cipsoft will change it anyhow, because teams are investing more TCs, and they heavily impact the incomes of Cipsoft. After all, their goal is to earn as much money as they can, not to improve the life of majority of players. If those 20% of TH players are giving them 80% of incomes, they will not worry about those 80% of solo players, who are responsible for only a small amount of their cash income. Regarding the issue - all mentioned things are right, and I agree with your point of view. The update which introduced party exp bonus ruined the game in the long run.
the only way is to introduce a hazard system for all player while not in a party the problem with what you say is that teams actually risk a lot to get that exp, even the teams in rotten blood getting 24kk raw have the rp losing 20k hp every few seconds, it's very high difficulty right now I'm lvl 1150 and it's impossible for me to die without a dc in solo so, you can reward solo players with more exp, but it needs to come at more dmg taken, a hazard system would be perfect for this I could see a nice system being a new window you can open when not in a party where you can sacrifice %loot and %dmg to gain %exp I might want to sacrifice 50%loot and take 50% more dmg to gain 50% more exp, numbers would have to be tweaked but this is the only way to increase solo difficulty that is currently non existant and increase the rewards also it would increase waste also which is a nice by-product
I think this comes down to needing better solo respawns as at the moment you have level 1000’s decimating respawns that were created for level 250’s back in the day. It’s a hard thing to tune/scale spawns that are good for the intended levels but not attractive for people the higher levels that will want to exploit it. Asura palace, rosha valley for example are designed in a way that encourages this and it’s not overly healthy. They just need more solo spawns to encourage the higher levels to take a higher risk. But based on the diversity of levels now (having level 0-2.3k now) it’s all kind of become a mess and maybe a hazard system would be a good idea to tidy up who should be in what spawn
That was long but conclusion is simple more players can effective gain experience in solo = more happy players but problem is on new best respawn for team hunts meta they risk much more than solo players. For example mages on putre factory big risk = big reward in exp. How fix this problem?
Exactly this. - With all the exp nerfs it already takes so long to level up, it is impossible to catch up to anyone who have enjoyed the benefits. This will lead to a mass exodus from tibia aswell. When I hunt solo it is typically worse exp, but way better profit. With the decifits already shown where you actyually have a lower wuality of life, there is no way you would even try to teamhunt anymore but solo level. Also, this doesnt create more space even. busy servers are controlled by dominando and it is hard to get good solo spawn. By removing benefits from teamhunting, tibia is just going to be way more busy. Thinking of removing the little benefit it has is weird to me.
Now just balance the Sorcerers and Druids, Druids have better dmg spells than the sorcerers with their beams. They should give sorcerer Fire Burst, Energy Burst or Death Burst (2 of the 3) instead of the beams! And they should give druids another (better) way to heal so sorcerer don't have to use runes (now a lot of high lvl sorcerers use a script or macro for this just because it's almost impossible to do for real)! It would also be cool if they designed more hunting spots that would be good for druids and sorcerers, I bought a mid lvl (850+) sorcerer for the first time in december, before I always had Paladins and knights and man mages have so much fewer huntspots than knights and paladins!
I believe that the best solution for that would be making teamplay a exp focus effort while solo hunt is a profit focus effort. We can see some teams profiting way more then solo players in some ranges. But ofc, the player that wanna powergame while solo would suffer, but that might be in all mmos ever. Teamplay is always more viable to powergame, but it shouldnt be as profitable. Good video anyway, it does show the disbalance. I dont agree with the conclusion. I think a nerf in teams exp bonus would make a huge chunk of players just quit the game.
If there was 7 days of premium possible, I would play real more often. I don't want to oay for 30 days PACC when I only am able to play max 10 days or less.
i have to disagree about the classes being balanced. i feel like ms should have slightly more survivability for solo hunting than they do. i know they gave them a permanent prismatic ring with their new spell but it feels like they need a little more. even if it were just a speed boost at levels under 1000. i think ed is actually far superior to ms now days with everything they have to offer compared to the ms that just brings slightly more dmg and even that is situational depending on the monster you’re killing.
Honestly, this video has aged like milk. First, the arguments brought does not apply to all levels. On my 750 ms, we can teamhunt and push ish 9kk raw, as solo, I can push 8kk raw. On my 330 ek, we can push 3.6kk raw on duo, 4kk raw in 4 man and I can solo about 3.2kk raw. However! Teamhunting is extremely beneficial for bad players, since they can more or less get boosted. A bad ek can just go to his box and start dealing damage, the team will lure to him. A bad ed can just stand on his bomb and let everyone else work. A bad rp can be carried by a good ms etc. As a solo player, you are 100% reliable on yourself. However! To survive my teamhunts, I need 2x defense imbue on my ek, solo, I just go with max phy from gear and am fine. As a ms, I have to stress with UHs, which are extremely hard to do efficiently (I’d love to see anyone cast 500 efficient UHs per hour in a hunt before you complain.) The entire thing with solo spawns being better for teams are false aswell. It might have been true in 2014, but not in 2024. Feru way, never teamhunted, better for solo rp Roshamuul, never tesmhunted, better for solo rp Walls, rarely teamhunted, better for solo ek DT seal, never teamhunted, better for solo ek Lost souls, never teamhunted, better for solo ms Carnivoras, never teamhunted, better for everyone solo Medusa tower / glooth tower, never teamhunted, better for solo ek The list goes on. On top of everything, teamhunting requires a different skill set than solo hunting. As a team, you must function well together and sync with each other. As a solo player, you must resource manage more, and make decisions on what you can and cannot handle on the fly. All in all, I think teamhunting vs solo hunting is in a great position - but I would love to see more solo spots for mages, and especially for the druid on higher level.
There are also terrible assumptions in your video. In your 2024 Catacombs example, you assume because a druid does 452k damage in a team, they would also be doing 452k damage if they were hunting solo, thus they would be earning 1.4kk raw/hr instead of 3.3kk raw/hr. I do significantly more damage when I solo hunt compared to what I do in team hunts, simply because I have more damage uptime. You can't use team hunt statistics and copy paste them into solo hunt statistics.
Mate, solo or th or duo u can do same numbers.. for example 500ek 6kk raw solo mirror, 500ms 6kk raw cobras 500x th 6kk ice lib 800lvl th 8kk raw th, 800ms 8kk raw dragons 800ek 8kk rW cobras It's about knowledge where u can do and how. 1.5k lvl th doing 13,14k raw Solo dragons 11k raw, flimsy 12k raw, ingol 14k raw at 1.5k So cmon If u smart u can do more solo as th, just is not easy as th, because u need put effort in EQ Skills, that's the only problems, but number u can do same.
One of the worst ideas I have ever heard. I make 10.5kk raw exp/hr solo while in a team, I make 12kk raw. If team hunting gets nerfed from +100% exp to +35% exp, I will be making 8kk exp/hr raw. There would be no point in coordinating with a team. The highest level teams right now are making 24kk exp/hr raw. I even hear suggestions of removing the exp bonus completely. Imagine a team of level 2500's earning 12kk exp/hr raw. Even with the +35% exp bonus, they'd be making 16kk exp/hr raw while putting the effort to coordinate with 3 other players
i comme from time when i would pay 150 elder druid to heal mee while i full box formorgar mines in svargrond and spam mana pots exori gran xd and that was best xp in tibia... no other classess was able to pull that out
Due to my live. Work famili ect. I almost never teamhunting. I heard friends on ts they said we got 10kk RAW th. While I got 7-8 on 150 %😂😂😂 nice balance
Havent played tibia since 2011. Coming back has been an extreme shock. Everyone is extremely high levels, people selling and buying characters, and huge inflation of gold spending. I'm 100% a solo player and will always be, I'll work on my knight at my own pace. Exactly how it should be.
Hi Lee, I just discovered this video, excellent work and thank you for doing this research for all of us. Now I am going to check the pdf file xD have a great day!
I agree with you, but I don't think nerfing 4 team xp will solve. Because a lot of players who already hunted in teams abused this mechanic so this will create even more imbalance. Best way is to buff solo, duo and trio hunting only.
This is not a video, Lee. This is a masterclass about Tibia!. Great video and content as usual. Keep it up! Cheers
Great video.
Goes to the point of the biggest problem of Tibia now. (A fixable one, Dominandos is a more complex issue)
And is something that can be fixed easily.
If you are a normal person, that wont have the exactly free time of the same Party.
Gonna spend 1h+ per day, trying to find a Full Party. Trying. Not always gonna work.
One day this process gets tiring... And you will gonna focus on Solo, to have less frustration in-game.
But then you realize the huge difference of XP and Profit, Team Hunts are doing. And this is a constant huge frustration to Solo Players.
The game should be about enjoy the time, not a permanent Huge Unbalanced thing.
And as the solution points out, a good Boost to Party is expected and reasonable.
Just doesnt need to be as Huge as it is today.
Great and well timed video, this should had been adressed by cipsoft time ago, now we have whales (2500) and its imposible. And 1 more thing, shouln't defensive prey be removed or at least get nerf to 15% just as a defensive imbuements, its another reason teams are OP since haracetrs are overperforming and also can not be killed by the creatures.
Super Video :) freut mich, dass mal wieder was gekommen ist :)
Fantastic video, I hope to god that CipSoft does something to balance the game for solo players.
Greetings,, Neggi sends me that video is really good.
Great video, it took years for cipsoft to rebalance and update the old and obsolite spot, back in the days story is unleashed here ,but question is is cipsoft intrested in that? or care just for profit now, not so much for the futre of the game.
Tibia Needed to create something to make team hunting a thing. They also had issue with Paladins and Sorcs not being invited to hunts. Mainly it was Druids and Knights many many many years ago. The Party share was a way to help fix this. EVEN if its OP - imo - its ok because it brings people together. Now its unbalanced for a solo player. So how do they fix that?
Great video as always Lee.
If they increases base XP to 150% and rebalance party xp to 35% would be the same for 4x hunt, also they have to accordingly fix boosts so increasing all creatures xp by 50% would be better.
That seems to be a good solution that should have been implemented years ago
Great info gathered here!
Someone sends this to cipsoft so they can buff zones again and nerf team exp.
If any knight or pallies out there are looking for English speaking team, me and my brother are transferring our 380-420 mages over to Astera! Hit me up!
i have 3 mages on astera 263, 385, and 421, if your still new to astera and looking for a guild ours is open, Fireblades, Yuro Hand is my main char
Astera gang
Mind Boggling that that Poll in 2021 was clear for solo players, but CIP have moved aggressively towards team only play since then???
I keep quitting rl tibia and moving to OT servers because i can actually compete as a solo player. ON rl tibia, solo players just fall into the shadows.
it's mmo should be played in teams ^^ but to find team to team hunt is impossible -,-
IMHO the players huting solo are probably less likely to spend TCs on prey cards, bonus exp etc. I wouldn't be surprised if CiP makes 80% of their revenue from those 17% of players that prefer to hunt in team. More exp and more killed creatures -> more profit and easier exp -> easier access to gps -> easier access to TCs and so on. Of course lower levels would be forced to buy TCs for real money rather than currency in game. It feels to me like more and more hutning ground are designed for team hunts for lower levels.
hey lee, what programs do you use to make tibia youtube videos? i like your style of editing and wanted some projects to work on
I doubt Cipsoft will change it anyhow, because teams are investing more TCs, and they heavily impact the incomes of Cipsoft. After all, their goal is to earn as much money as they can, not to improve the life of majority of players. If those 20% of TH players are giving them 80% of incomes, they will not worry about those 80% of solo players, who are responsible for only a small amount of their cash income.
Regarding the issue - all mentioned things are right, and I agree with your point of view. The update which introduced party exp bonus ruined the game in the long run.
the only way is to introduce a hazard system for all player while not in a party
the problem with what you say is that teams actually risk a lot to get that exp, even the teams in rotten blood getting 24kk raw have the rp losing 20k hp every few seconds, it's very high difficulty
right now I'm lvl 1150 and it's impossible for me to die without a dc in solo
so, you can reward solo players with more exp, but it needs to come at more dmg taken, a hazard system would be perfect for this
I could see a nice system being a new window you can open when not in a party where you can sacrifice %loot and %dmg to gain %exp
I might want to sacrifice 50%loot and take 50% more dmg to gain 50% more exp, numbers would have to be tweaked but this is the only way to increase solo difficulty that is currently non existant and increase the rewards also
it would increase waste also which is a nice by-product
yikes
I think this comes down to needing better solo respawns as at the moment you have level 1000’s decimating respawns that were created for level 250’s back in the day. It’s a hard thing to tune/scale spawns that are good for the intended levels but not attractive for people the higher levels that will want to exploit it.
Asura palace, rosha valley for example are designed in a way that encourages this and it’s not overly healthy. They just need more solo spawns to encourage the higher levels to take a higher risk. But based on the diversity of levels now (having level 0-2.3k now) it’s all kind of become a mess and maybe a hazard system would be a good idea to tidy up who should be in what spawn
@@lochlansimms8145 we really dont need anymore more spawns tbh
That was long but conclusion is simple more players can effective gain experience in solo = more happy players but problem is on new best respawn for team hunts meta they risk much more than solo players. For example mages on putre factory big risk = big reward in exp. How fix this problem?
Exactly this. - With all the exp nerfs it already takes so long to level up, it is impossible to catch up to anyone who have enjoyed the benefits. This will lead to a mass exodus from tibia aswell. When I hunt solo it is typically worse exp, but way better profit. With the decifits already shown where you actyually have a lower wuality of life, there is no way you would even try to teamhunt anymore but solo level.
Also, this doesnt create more space even. busy servers are controlled by dominando and it is hard to get good solo spawn. By removing benefits from teamhunting, tibia is just going to be way more busy. Thinking of removing the little benefit it has is weird to me.
💕💕💕
This needs to be shared on the forums and brought to cipsofts attention.
Now just balance the Sorcerers and Druids, Druids have better dmg spells than the sorcerers with their beams. They should give sorcerer Fire Burst, Energy Burst or Death Burst (2 of the 3) instead of the beams! And they should give druids another (better) way to heal so sorcerer don't have to use runes (now a lot of high lvl sorcerers use a script or macro for this just because it's almost impossible to do for real)!
It would also be cool if they designed more hunting spots that would be good for druids and sorcerers, I bought a mid lvl (850+) sorcerer for the first time in december, before I always had Paladins and knights and man mages have so much fewer huntspots than knights and paladins!
Glad to see you back Lee!🎉
Excellent Job! Well Done, Thank you so much.
yeah, its sad to see a game that I love like tibia, being abandoned because of the greedy and mismanagement on the cipsoft.
Interesting video. Very well documented
I believe that the best solution for that would be making teamplay a exp focus effort while solo hunt is a profit focus effort. We can see some teams profiting way more then solo players in some ranges. But ofc, the player that wanna powergame while solo would suffer, but that might be in all mmos ever. Teamplay is always more viable to powergame, but it shouldnt be as profitable.
Good video anyway, it does show the disbalance. I dont agree with the conclusion. I think a nerf in teams exp bonus would make a huge chunk of players just quit the game.
If there was 7 days of premium possible, I would play real more often. I don't want to oay for 30 days PACC when I only am able to play max 10 days or less.
Unfortunately that is the pay wall for people who can only play a day or two a week. Active players can earn enough in game currency
i have to disagree about the classes being balanced. i feel like ms should have slightly more survivability for solo hunting than they do. i know they gave them a permanent prismatic ring with their new spell but it feels like they need a little more. even if it were just a speed boost at levels under 1000. i think ed is actually far superior to ms now days with everything they have to offer compared to the ms that just brings slightly more dmg and even that is situational depending on the monster you’re killing.
Should be good thing if they make new worlds with this implented. Its a shame solo playing is not worth it...
New vid since serpentine tower, still the king of tibia vids
Thanks alot Gladiar145 🙂
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make tibia great again
please cipsoft, study this.
Someone show this video to cipsoft so they can increase de party exp to 150% instead. They always listen to the community!
Honestly, this video has aged like milk.
First, the arguments brought does not apply to all levels.
On my 750 ms, we can teamhunt and push ish 9kk raw, as solo, I can push 8kk raw.
On my 330 ek, we can push 3.6kk raw on duo, 4kk raw in 4 man and I can solo about 3.2kk raw.
However! Teamhunting is extremely beneficial for bad players, since they can more or less get boosted. A bad ek can just go to his box and start dealing damage, the team will lure to him. A bad ed can just stand on his bomb and let everyone else work. A bad rp can be carried by a good ms etc.
As a solo player, you are 100% reliable on yourself.
However! To survive my teamhunts, I need 2x defense imbue on my ek, solo, I just go with max phy from gear and am fine.
As a ms, I have to stress with UHs, which are extremely hard to do efficiently (I’d love to see anyone cast 500 efficient UHs per hour in a hunt before you complain.)
The entire thing with solo spawns being better for teams are false aswell.
It might have been true in 2014, but not in 2024.
Feru way, never teamhunted, better for solo rp
Roshamuul, never tesmhunted, better for solo rp
Walls, rarely teamhunted, better for solo ek
DT seal, never teamhunted, better for solo ek
Lost souls, never teamhunted, better for solo ms
Carnivoras, never teamhunted, better for everyone solo
Medusa tower / glooth tower, never teamhunted, better for solo ek
The list goes on.
On top of everything, teamhunting requires a different skill set than solo hunting.
As a team, you must function well together and sync with each other.
As a solo player, you must resource manage more, and make decisions on what you can and cannot handle on the fly.
All in all, I think teamhunting vs solo hunting is in a great position - but I would love to see more solo spots for mages, and especially for the druid on higher level.
Stop crying, it's tibia.
There are also terrible assumptions in your video. In your 2024 Catacombs example, you assume because a druid does 452k damage in a team, they would also be doing 452k damage if they were hunting solo, thus they would be earning 1.4kk raw/hr instead of 3.3kk raw/hr. I do significantly more damage when I solo hunt compared to what I do in team hunts, simply because I have more damage uptime. You can't use team hunt statistics and copy paste them into solo hunt statistics.
Mate, solo or th or duo u can do same numbers.. for example 500ek 6kk raw solo mirror, 500ms 6kk raw cobras 500x th 6kk ice lib
800lvl th 8kk raw th, 800ms 8kk raw dragons 800ek 8kk rW cobras
It's about knowledge where u can do and how.
1.5k lvl th doing 13,14k raw
Solo dragons 11k raw, flimsy 12k raw, ingol 14k raw at 1.5k
So cmon
If u smart u can do more solo as th, just is not easy as th, because u need put effort in EQ Skills, that's the only problems, but number u can do same.
And solo with x mouse button u have more cash as th plus u never waste time for waiting
One of the worst ideas I have ever heard. I make 10.5kk raw exp/hr solo while in a team, I make 12kk raw. If team hunting gets nerfed from +100% exp to +35% exp, I will be making 8kk exp/hr raw. There would be no point in coordinating with a team. The highest level teams right now are making 24kk exp/hr raw. I even hear suggestions of removing the exp bonus completely. Imagine a team of level 2500's earning 12kk exp/hr raw. Even with the +35% exp bonus, they'd be making 16kk exp/hr raw while putting the effort to coordinate with 3 other players
i comme from time when i would pay 150 elder druid to heal mee while i full box formorgar mines in svargrond and spam mana pots exori gran xd and that was best xp in tibia... no other classess was able to pull that out