My Grandfathers Brother, STOKER 1ST CLASS FREDERICK LOVERING, Service Number: K/3898, was one of the Brave Sailors lost on HMS Monmouth. God Rest their souls. x. As a veteran who severed for over 37 years, including service in the Falklands between July and November 1982 (with my brother Simon (RIP)), I salute you.
Actually I did know about the Battle of the Falkland Islands in 1914 but I have very much enjoyed your talk and hearing the details. My grandparents and my father were returning from Valparaiso, Chile where my grandfather worked as a Civil Engineer. He was an army reserve officer so was returning to go to war. The family story is that their ship, The Oronsa, was travelling through the Magellan Straits when the German ships came through. The Oronsa would have stopped at Punta Arenas before continuing to the Falkland Islands. My grandfather took photographs of the Dresden 2 days after the battle, HMS Bristol and HMS Glasgow three days after the battle, . I have a copy of the Passenger List showing that they arrived at Liverpool on 13th January 1915 aboard The Oronsa. I watched your Wars of the Roses talks through Mirthy and thoroughly enjoyed them.
I certainly enjoyed this. I love how you show how history can be intertwined and interleaved. I was in fact aware of Canaris, but not aware of the link to the first war. Thankyou for this video. Stay safe too.
Splendid as always Chris. Your ability to paint with words is extraordinary and each historical adventure is always has top billing in the theatre of my mind.
In 1982 I was the only person on my team who had any idea where the Falklands were, how? My uncle had been a Lt-Col Falkland Island Defence Force and admin. Officer of South Georgia Island. Although I never met him he had by all accounts had a fascinating life.
I just discovered your channel. Tgis is great stuff, thank you. I met the gentleman who flew the first Vulcan bomber raid on Port Stanley in 82, a lovely guy.
My Great Grandfather died on the HMS Goodhope.We have hunted high and low to find some photos of the crew.We have his name but don’t have a face to put the name to.It’s a really shame i’m 46 and still can’t put a face to the name wondering if you had any ideas of where to look.We have a few pictures but unfortunately know names on the photos. Shaun
Your do a good quality informative interesting presentation very good work any chance you can do something on D Day and Utah beach area thanks keep the excellent work up
I know of the battle as a kid in the late 70s, when the War of Falkland lot of my School thought Falkland was near Scotland so I do them it was battle of Falkland in WW1 in South Atlantic.
Mr. Green, you left out the HMS Canopus, an older battleship, that had been left behind at Port Stanley by Craddock, because of it's slow speed. It was to be used as a floating battery against the Germans.
My dear Sir, your narrative brought to life this near forgotten conflict of The First World War. To say that I enjoyed your presentation thoroughly would an understatement. I hope you will forgive an elderly gentleman who has run out of superlatives. God bless Sir and your family.
Poor Chris Craddock lost his life and his fleet at Coronel. A popular figure back in England, his death at the hands of Von Spee was considered an outrage and so the two Battle*cruisers* were sent off in pursuit. There was to be no quarter given in that fight, the Royal Navy was out for revenge...and indeed revenge it took.
Why did the Germans repeat ship's names that had already met inglorious ends? Scharnhorst and Graf Spee were two of the most ill-fated ships of WW2 as well.
There seems to be a naval tradition to keep passing names on. The Royal Navy has a history of it (there was a Victory fighting the Spanish Armada for instance).
Nice one..... The Scharnhorst.....a similar fate occurred with its replacement sinking with almost all hands. Admiral Canaris as far as I recall....was jailed for his involvement with the July 20th plot against Hitler. He was sent to a concentration camp then executed near the end of WW2. Just off the top of my head.....
You are right on both counts. Equally interesting is that the pocket battleship built by the Nazis and named after Admiral Graf Spee was sunk off the coast of South America at the beginning of WW2 (Battle of the River Plate). Funny old world.
@@TheHistoryChap Now you've got me up and running.... Theres another couple of details about the ships mentioned in this production, the names of which are familiar.....Standby.
@@TheHistoryChap HMAS Sydney (the WW2 replacement was sunk.by a German Q ship. ( Kormoran) The Sydney went down with all hands. What is very striking is the number of sailors, from both sides, who were killed during these actions. For those in peril.
My one correction is in regards to Invincivle and Inflexible, they weren't battleships they were Dreadnought Armoured Cruisers. processing the guns of Battleships and speed to chase cruisers much like battle cruisers only Dreadnought armoured cruisers are armoured against cruisers where as battlecruisers are atleast meant to survive engagements with battleships
You're actually wrong referring to them as : "Dreadnought Armoured cruisers" by 1914 they were called Battlecruisers : 24 November 1911, Admiralty Weekly Order No. 351 laid down that "All cruisers of the “Invincible” and later types are for the future to be described and classified as “battle cruisers” to distinguish them from the armoured cruisers of earlier date.
@@doccyclopz in terms of common parlance and how a non Fischer admiralty intended to use them but the design is still that of a Dreadnought armoured cruiser. The I's were never intended for the battleline
@@TheHistoryChap Nobody is born knowing everything. I just happened to speak a little of german. Something that always get me sad about this battle is the fact that Von Spee died with two of his sons who were serving in those ships. War is really a terrible thing. Hopefully one day we will mature enough to stop fighting.
A buddy of mine converts ww1 and interwar ships to a game called Babylon 5 wars. He makes their stat blocks as true to their irl capabilities as he can. He sets up historical and what if battles for Bayou Wars (a gaming convention on the gulf coast). I have played this exact battle in one of his games. The germans managed much better.
The History Chap, Spee’s force went to Tahiti 1st to seize the coal reserves there, but were thwarted by a pipsqueak French gunboat they couldn’t sink although wasting a substantial amount of ammo, shelling Papeete. & Spee didn’t get the coal either, which was set on fire by the French. So that was a force low on coal & ammo after their success at Coronel, that met its hour of reckoning in the South Atlantic. I find the Falklands battle more fascinating than the Jutland, because it was fought in both Oceans. By the way, that wasn’t Britain 🇬🇧’s 1st WW1 naval defeat. Early in the war, a uboot sent 2 Royal Navy warships to the bottom. Sinister harbinger for Scapa Flow 25 years later. Nevertheless, the Royal Navy always gets her foes to the bottom.
Hearing these German names & knowing a little WW2 history: Graf von Spee, Gneisenau, Scharnhorst, these are all names of some of the finest German ships in WW2. Canaris was in the battle as well. Interesting
Hah! So far from Deutschland… trying to help out the Japanese? Why on earth would that have any interest in patrolling there, because it was where they were least expected?
Well, I answer my own question.. I suppose the Tripartide pact made the Germans ( the British navy made short work of the Italian navy) try to handle the Atlantic w/ the bulk of responsibility on the pacific given to the Japanese empire.
Von Spee would likely have escaped had he never gone near the Falklands ; once he had sighted the British ships, he sould have steamed into Stanly and engaged the British at close range-might have been able to block the harbor. But his 8" guns were no match for the British 12"
They were outgunned, with the two main British ships being faster, with much bigger guns and better armour. The two RN battlecruisers were each armed with 4 x 12 inch guns and displace over 17,000 tonnes, whilst the Scharnhorst and her sister ship displaced about 13,000 tonnes and carried 8 x 8.3 inch main guns. The Germans managed about 40 hits on the Royal navy vessels, but were unable to do significant damage. Also, the German ships had expended about half their ammunition at the battle of Coronel.
Really sad you mention so little of the Belgium unit who refused to leave the flank protecting The Gloucesters.We don't need Brexit history, really important to understand who your friends are!
What has that got to do with the Battle of the Falkland Islands 1914? If you are going to make political points, at least try and keep it relevant to the topic of the video.
Can you really call it a victory when its against an older class of ships who are all worn out and in need of maintenance? Its like with the Emden, Sydney was superior in every way, Emden had no armor other than an angled internal deck. Same with the loss of Monmouth, it was an elder ship. I cant see claiming a glorious victory in these cases, its like knocking out grandma!
Warfare is not a sport, and it's not about having a "fair fight" between equal forces, but about deploying the strengths that you have to the best effect in defeating the enemy. I don't think the video claims a glorious victory, but both battles mentioned were overwhelming ones.
My Grandfathers Brother, STOKER 1ST CLASS FREDERICK LOVERING, Service Number: K/3898, was one of the Brave Sailors lost on HMS Monmouth. God Rest their souls. x. As a veteran who severed for over 37 years, including service in the Falklands between July and November 1982 (with my brother Simon (RIP)), I salute you.
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Actually I did know about the Battle of the Falkland Islands in 1914 but I have very much enjoyed your talk and hearing the details. My grandparents and my father were returning from Valparaiso, Chile where my grandfather worked as a Civil Engineer. He was an army reserve officer so was returning to go to war. The family story is that their ship, The Oronsa, was travelling through the Magellan Straits when the German ships came through. The Oronsa would have stopped at Punta Arenas before continuing to the Falkland Islands. My grandfather took photographs of the Dresden 2 days after the battle, HMS Bristol and HMS Glasgow three days after the battle, . I have a copy of the Passenger List showing that they arrived at Liverpool on 13th January 1915 aboard The Oronsa.
I watched your Wars of the Roses talks through Mirthy and thoroughly enjoyed them.
Wow Steph, what an amazing family story. I love how our own small stories are all interwoven with the big events in history.
Excellent. However british capital ships that sank Von Spee's vessels weren't Battleships, but Battle Cruisers.
Thanks for taking the time to comment and add your knowledge.
Also, Dresden was a light Cruiser, not a destroyer. Beyond that, an excellent video.
Thanks very much for the detailed account of an under reported conflict! I very much enjoyed reading about it all. Well done.
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This is the 2nd of your videos where I've had a family connection! My grandfather was a stoker 1st class on the Bristol which sank the colliers!
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Your channel should have way more subs, really great videos and channel. Keep going 👍
Really kind of you. Here's to lots of subscribers in 2022! Please speak the word.
I'm an Argentinian veteran from 1982 war living in Brisbane now. I enjoyed this great footage!,, Cheers!
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Exceptional thanks Chris.
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Good story teller. Thanks.
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I certainly enjoyed this. I love how you show how history can be intertwined and interleaved. I was in fact aware of Canaris, but not aware of the link to the first war. Thankyou for this video. Stay safe too.
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Thanks again, brilliant, cheers
Andrew, it's my pleasure. Glad you enjoyed.
Splendid as always Chris. Your ability to paint with words is extraordinary and each historical adventure is always has top billing in the theatre of my mind.
Very kind of you.
In 1982 I was the only person on my team who had any idea where the Falklands were, how? My uncle had been a Lt-Col Falkland Island Defence Force and admin. Officer of South Georgia Island. Although I never met him he had by all accounts had a fascinating life.
I also remember the 1982 war and how most people thought that the Falklands were somewhere off Scotland!
@@TheHistoryChapthat bit of history I did not know so ty
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thank you for posting - this piece of history was really unkown to me till this video
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Thank you for expanding my knowledge of a sea battle I had only vaguely heard of.
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I just learned about the Battle of the Falklands and the resounding naval victory by the British. Well done,amigo, another success! Bravo 👏
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I just discovered your channel. Tgis is great stuff, thank you.
I met the gentleman who flew the first Vulcan bomber raid on Port Stanley in 82, a lovely guy.
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My Great Grandfather died on the HMS Goodhope.We have hunted high and low to find some photos of the crew.We have his name but don’t have a face to put the name to.It’s a really shame i’m 46 and still can’t put a face to the name wondering if you had any ideas of where to look.We have a few pictures but unfortunately know names on the photos.
Shaun
Your do a good quality informative interesting presentation very good work any chance you can do something on D Day and Utah beach area thanks keep the excellent work up
Mike,
Yes D-Day is on my list. Visited the beaches back in 2019.
Amazing to see how different Utah was from Omaha beach.
Brilliant, subscribed.
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I know of the battle as a kid in the late 70s, when the War of Falkland lot of my School thought Falkland was near Scotland so I do them it was battle of Falkland in WW1 in South Atlantic.
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My Grandfather fought in that Battle in 1914 and 68 years later I fought on the same islands. Great Britain ain't finished, yet!
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Really interesting!
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Mr. Green, you left out the HMS Canopus, an older battleship, that had been left behind at Port Stanley by Craddock, because of it's slow speed. It was to be used as a floating battery against the Germans.
Thanks for sharing.
My dear Sir, your narrative brought to life this near forgotten conflict of The First World War. To say that I enjoyed your presentation thoroughly would an understatement. I hope you will forgive an elderly gentleman who has run out of superlatives. God bless Sir and your family.
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very interesting
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my aunts grand father went down on the HMS GOOD HOPE .
Charles Cutler a stoker
Thank you for sharing your family story.
please do an episode on The Belgium force protecting the gloucesters! Love your reports,thank you!
I will add to my ever-growing list. They helped save many lives by their actions.
Poor Chris Craddock lost his life and his fleet at Coronel. A popular figure back in England, his death at the hands of Von Spee was considered an outrage and so the two Battle*cruisers* were sent off in pursuit. There was to be no quarter given in that fight, the Royal Navy was out for revenge...and indeed revenge it took.
Revenge indeed!
It's been 83 years since the Hun has started a major war. That has to be a record.
Thanks for that thought.
Don’t worry about the Huns we now have Putin the bear 🐻
I've just found out that a family member lost his life during the navel battle of the Falklands1914. "Joseph Keight ".
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Why did the Germans repeat ship's names that had already met inglorious ends? Scharnhorst and Graf Spee were two of the most ill-fated ships of WW2 as well.
There seems to be a naval tradition to keep passing names on. The Royal Navy has a history of it (there was a Victory fighting the Spanish Armada for instance).
"For the Monmouth"
she was our sister ship - our chummy ship!
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Nice one.....
The Scharnhorst.....a similar fate occurred with its replacement sinking with almost all hands.
Admiral Canaris as far as I recall....was jailed for his involvement with the July 20th plot against Hitler. He was sent to a concentration camp then executed near the end of WW2.
Just off the top of my head.....
You are right on both counts. Equally interesting is that the pocket battleship built by the Nazis and named after Admiral Graf Spee was sunk off the coast of South America at the beginning of WW2 (Battle of the River Plate). Funny old world.
@@TheHistoryChap
Now you've got me up and running....
Theres another couple of details about the ships mentioned in this production, the names of which are familiar.....Standby.
@@TheHistoryChap
HMAS Sydney (the WW2 replacement was sunk.by a German Q ship. ( Kormoran) The Sydney went down with all hands.
What is very striking is the number of sailors, from both sides, who were killed during these actions.
For those in peril.
The Tsingtao Brewery was established by German founders in 1903 in and is one of my favourite beers 😊
Great beer, although somehow even better when eating Chinese food.
My one correction is in regards to Invincivle and Inflexible, they weren't battleships they were Dreadnought Armoured Cruisers.
processing the guns of Battleships and speed to chase cruisers much like battle cruisers only Dreadnought armoured cruisers are armoured against cruisers where as battlecruisers are atleast meant to survive engagements with battleships
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You can call them Battlecruisers or Capital Ships but never Battleships. Also Dresden was a Cruiser not a Destroyer.
@@doccyclopz battlecruisers isn't strictly true but it's more true
You're actually wrong referring to them as : "Dreadnought Armoured cruisers" by 1914 they were called Battlecruisers : 24 November 1911, Admiralty Weekly Order No. 351 laid down that "All cruisers of the “Invincible” and later types are for the future to be described and classified as “battle cruisers” to distinguish them from the armoured cruisers of earlier date.
@@doccyclopz in terms of common parlance and how a non Fischer admiralty intended to use them but the design is still that of a Dreadnought armoured cruiser. The I's were never intended for the battleline
What is the name of the movie about this battle ? Please inform.
Was it Battle of the River Platte?
Great short story. My only critique is your pronunciation of Spee. It is Shpeh, with e as in the article the.
Many thanks Gustavo. As you may have guessed, languages were never my strong subject at school. Thanks for telling me how it should be pronounced. :)
@@TheHistoryChap Nobody is born knowing everything. I just happened to speak a little of german. Something that always get me sad about this battle is the fact that Von Spee died with two of his sons who were serving in those ships. War is really a terrible thing. Hopefully one day we will mature enough to stop fighting.
A buddy of mine converts ww1 and interwar ships to a game called Babylon 5 wars. He makes their stat blocks as true to their irl capabilities as he can. He sets up historical and what if battles for Bayou Wars (a gaming convention on the gulf coast). I have played this exact battle in one of his games. The germans managed much better.
Thanks for sharing.
@@TheHistoryChap just confirmed with my friend it wasn't this battle but was a what if scenario if they had stayed in Asia.
Hms Canopus was beached in Falkland Sound as a guard ship.. ??
Thanks for sharing. Much appreciated
Canares, that’s pretty strange 👍
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The History Chap,
Spee’s force went to Tahiti 1st to seize the coal reserves there,
but were thwarted by a pipsqueak French gunboat they
couldn’t sink
although wasting a substantial amount of ammo, shelling Papeete.
& Spee didn’t get the coal either, which was set on fire by
the French.
So that was a force low on coal
& ammo after their success at Coronel, that met its hour of reckoning in the South Atlantic.
I find the Falklands battle more
fascinating than the Jutland, because it was fought in both
Oceans.
By the way, that wasn’t Britain 🇬🇧’s 1st WW1 naval defeat.
Early in the war, a uboot sent 2
Royal Navy warships to the bottom.
Sinister harbinger for
Scapa Flow 25 years later.
Nevertheless, the Royal Navy always gets her foes to the bottom.
Thanks for your feedback.
Hearing these German names & knowing a little WW2 history: Graf von Spee, Gneisenau, Scharnhorst, these are all names of some of the finest German ships in WW2. Canaris was in the battle as well. Interesting
And interesting that the pocket battleship named after Von Spee was hunting in these same waters at the beginning of World War 2.
Hah! So far from Deutschland… trying to help out the Japanese? Why on earth would that have any interest in patrolling there, because it was where they were least expected?
Well, I answer my own question.. I suppose the Tripartide pact made the Germans ( the British navy made short work of the Italian navy) try to handle the Atlantic w/ the bulk of responsibility on the pacific given to the Japanese empire.
The British vessels at coronel were vintage 3rd rate vessels , There’s no comparison to the latter vessels used in the battle of the falklands
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Why on earth did von Spee not go to Tanganyika?
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Von Spee would likely have escaped had he never gone near the Falklands ; once he had sighted the British ships, he sould have steamed into Stanly and engaged the British at close range-might have been able to block the harbor. But his 8" guns were no match for the British 12"
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Poor bloody Germans hadn't a hope in hell two bigger ships built to destroy Armoured Cruisers God rest them
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It would be nice to know WHY the German ships were so utterly dominated at the Falklands.
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They were outgunned, with the two main British ships being faster, with much bigger guns and better armour. The two RN battlecruisers were each armed with 4 x 12 inch guns and displace over 17,000 tonnes, whilst the Scharnhorst and her sister ship displaced about 13,000 tonnes and carried 8 x 8.3 inch main guns. The Germans managed about 40 hits on the Royal navy vessels, but were unable to do significant damage. Also, the German ships had expended about half their ammunition at the battle of Coronel.
Really sad you mention so little of the Belgium unit who refused to leave the flank protecting The Gloucesters.We don't need Brexit history, really important to understand who your friends are!
Thanks for your messages, I have answered in the other one.
What has that got to do with the Battle of the Falkland Islands 1914? If you are going to make political points, at least try and keep it relevant to the topic of the video.
THE ANARCHY OF EUROPEAN ON EUROPEAN WARFARE CONTINUES FROM 1805, 1914 THRU TO 2024........WHYYYYYYYY???
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The Brits when they kicked arse. Not so anymore
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HMS Inflexible? Sounds like a really bad name for a warship🤣
Ha ha. Thanks for posting
Can you really call it a victory when its against an older class of ships who are all worn out and in need of maintenance? Its like with the Emden, Sydney was superior in every way, Emden had no armor other than an angled internal deck. Same with the loss of Monmouth, it was an elder ship. I cant see claiming a glorious victory in these cases, its like knocking out grandma!
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Warfare is not a sport, and it's not about having a "fair fight" between equal forces, but about deploying the strengths that you have to the best effect in defeating the enemy. I don't think the video claims a glorious victory, but both battles mentioned were overwhelming ones.
Battlecruisers not Battleships!!!!
Thank you for sharing.
Easy, champ. It's an easy mistake to make.