I had a thought as I was listening to this that might add to the theory. If Arbor Gold has an "opposite" in ASOIF, it would be Dornish Red. As I recall, Dornish Red was the drink of choice of the Hound, who famously hated lies. Connection? Might be, could be. At any rate it would be interesting to do a similar breakdown of Dornish Red and it's connection to truth, if there is one, in the books.
Plus there’s not as many memorable or quotable moments in Feast or Dance as there is the first three books. Ned’s death is in Game. The battle of Blackwater is in Clash. The Red Wedding, the series defining moment, is in Storm. The Euron intro at the Kingsmoot is pretty cool, but I can’t get show Greyjoy out of my head. And Dance has the great line: So young," said Wyman Manderly, "Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived he would've grown up to be a Frey.
@@Human-zx4rb we are still mid confrontation, the TV show conclusion doesn’t count. Or if he never writes the last two books, the TV show is the canonical ending.
I read the first book when it came out in paperback back in 1997, got Clash in hardcover as a 35th birthday gift from my brother, was walking through an airport coming home from Hawaii and saw Storm sitting there on display. I really enjoy seeing new readers discover these books, new channels come along like Quinn's that give good analyses.
This is an awesome observation that I didn’t pick up on as a reader. It reminds me a lot of the use of oranges to signal greed and/or treachery in the Godfather trilogy, and like those oranges I bet being able to pick up on the imagery/symbolism will make re-reads more enjoyable
As soon as your image of Ulf White came up, I went, "Holy shit." You cracked the code for sure, and that one seals it for me. GRRM frequently uses his peripheral stories to reinforce the patterns and themes of the main series. I will indeed be looking out for the phrase in the next book.
I’m sure it’s been covered before, but it’s interesting that House Redwyne are not Goldwyne and their sigil is a red grape. You can make a white or gold wine by removing the skins. So it seems that arbor gold is just made from red grapes similar to dornish reds but the wine itself is a lie to be presented as something unique. Notice that in the books it’s referred to as singular Arbor Gold. But for dornish wine it’s plural “dornish reds”
I really like the idea that not only is the wine a bit of dramatic irony for us the readers to understand as a lie, but that it's also a lie in-world if the grapes really aren't any better than cheaper Dornish varieties, but the removal of the skins to change the color is enough to trick the average person in to believing it is a "superior vintage" and paying out the nose... after all, power resides where men believe it resides
If that's truly the case, I imagine the reason why people value Arbor Gold so highly is because they can get completely ripped on it without a proportionately terrible hangover because of the lessened tannin levels.
My closest friend who basically prosthelytized ASoIaF until I devoured the first three books in his condo pool while cat sitting just passed away. It breaks my heart that he never found out how the story ends. It breaks my heart that these books so many have a deep and abiding love for will never be finished. It kills me that George has been lying about finishing the books for years. I can no longer watch videos like this because what was once a source of great joy has turned to ash in my mouth.
I'm sorry for your loss. It's not a particularly interesting idea to have about the afterlife but every time I've thought about it heaven is a room full of all the books, shows, and movies you never got to complete. Including the endings that were never written. I hope your friend is sitting in that cozy little reading nook with his favorite drink reading the ending we have all been waiting for.
@@Bewbscueser that's what we're all here for, to make the world less gloomy to those around us. The way you spoke of your friend really struck me, I'm glad I could offer some comfort with my words.
@evanprince3875 I feel like you're a very positive force for the people in your life. You managed to make an actual impact with your reply. I will do my best to pay it forward to someone in kind. I'll revisit this chat to inform you of the ongoing good that you manifested with your kindness and empathy.
I think any reference to wine from the Arbor is a signal. When Daenerys went to the Western Market, for example, the wine merchant insisted she try the "dry red from the Arbor" (Daenerys VI)
I dunno why, but I love the subscribe parrot at the end of your videos. It's got big grade school end of the month newsletter energy and I am here for it.
Mate, this was it. This was the post. This was the post that made me hit that subscription bell! I applaud you, ser. Your content is worth more than Arbor gold and Lannister gold combined!
Hey Quinn! I'm a huge ASOIAF fan from Syria and your content blows my mind every time you present a theory or a debate over a case or a character in ASOIAF, so thank you for your incredible work, but I just wanted to tell ya on little thing please, if you could slow down a little bit while you're speaking bcuz I couldn't catch all the words and for that I'll be really thankful man! Keep going
Wow just had my glass or Arbor Gold with a Dunk and Egg K7K damn🙃 I’m so happy to know it was appreciated and did feel ooohgghhh sketchy and I’m on the road now but I’m glad 😇🤨
that would even fit the tyrion chapter with janos slynt since slynt guessed the wine they're drinking is arbor gold but it isnt and after that there was really no dishonesty or secrets about what happened lol
Did you notice? Half the time when Quinn the GM shows images of Arbor Gold the wine pictured is actually red? Who's paying him to spread this misinformation, is it the Tyrells? (With no new books, ASOIAF theories must move into real-world conspiracies, such as whether HBO is paying GRRM to not finish TWOW)
How do you feel about other false/fools gold references? He can't exactly have every lie tied to a wine. Arbor Gold might be part a more general fools gold theme. We encounter Lem with his Lemoncloak. Sansa and her love if lemon cakes, which might suggest a sort of being fed lies. The lemon tree in Dany's memory suggesting falsehoods about her childhood. The false gold also pops up people describe his use of off gold colour. It might also include references to pee. When Varys trades the wine it's for a baby from a suggestive area of the city.
There is a mention of Arbor gold in ACoK in Sansa's POV during the battle of Blackwater "Cersei beckoned to her page for another cup of wine, a golden vintage from the Arbor, fruity and rich."
Also this reminds me of a confusing detail to me in the books. Everybody seems to praise “Dornish Red” as some kind of superior wine. But isn’t Dorne basically Dune/Arrakis? Have you ever tried growing grapes in the desert? I have my doubts that it can possibly be the spot for ideal vineyards. Am I wrong?
Grapes grown in hot climates generally grow bigger and are sweeter because they can grow easier, this makes it so when they ferment the extra sugar makes the wine more alcoholic, this could explain why everyone loves Dorneish wine because it is more alcoholic
There's no such thing as a single biome nation. If there's no arable land you can't have a nation because you can't feed an army to protect it. You need SOME domestic food production so obviously Dorne can feed itself as it's been independent longest and most.
IIRC Dornish red is generally described as "sour", but not necessarily in a derogatory way as it does seem quite popular and expensive. The implication seems to be that Arbor gold is sweeter and more palatable than more punchy and "obvious" Dornish red. Like a good lie, it's attractive and easy to swallow.
i think Dorne is supposed to have more of a mediterranean climate given they grow grapes and olives and such, but there’s also desert in the hinterlands of the kingdom.
Lord Hightower during the Dance was Ormund Hightower, not Hobert Hightower. Hobert Hightower doesn't even exist in the books (in the sense that Otto's older brother is never named).
That's a bit like theorizing that there will likelv be violence when the author mentions a unsheathed blade. If characters are drinking arbor wine, it means 1) they are rich and 2) they have free time. Asoiaf characters who are rich and have time on their hands are definitely up to no good But more importantly, how often are charachters deceptive without the author mentioning arbor gold? Most of the series is about people lying to each other and to themselves
As much as I enjoy ASOIAF, I cant take many more theories ha. I sometimes think the Collective has mapped out so many paths and turned over so many stones already that GRRM is having too difficult a time furthering the story. Hence the delay. Ill be happy to be wrong, but I am losing faith that he will finish the books.
Here I was thinking it was just because he only ever mentions Arbor Gold or Dornish Red, the Dornish Red being not local to the Seven Kingdoms is more exotic and not as readily available :) like your analysis better
Imagine if Leo IS a spy for House Tyrell inside the Citadel and is actually a nice guy, and it turns out all of his acting like a dick is so everyone assumes his family sent him to the Citadel because they hate him and no one looks closer at the matter
People do not talk about enough how stupid Tywin is in the books. Cersei often gets all the heat and blame for Tywin's shit plans and decisions. Marrying Tyrion to Sansa on paper was a good move, until it makes Tyion an antagonistic force to his own family. Then you realize that it was a direct and petty way to undercut the Lannisters biggest allies at a time they were heavily relying on them. Tywin in his short sighted greed and pettiness furthered the divide between the houses. Turns out that pissing off the only reason you won the war leads to negative outcomes. When you put this together, suddenly the idea that Joffrey wasn't the target or rather was only one of the targets has a lot more credence to it. Tywin really thought he could do whatever he wanted while Oberyn and all the Tyrells were just there. Joff deserves a lot of blame for getting himself killed, Tyrion makes that clear when Joff is compared to Aerys several times. But Tywin is responsible for so much of the Lannister's slow and painful downfall. Thinking about Winds, you think Olena and Mace will forget about what Tywin and Cersei have done when Mace meets Aegon or when Olena is plotting.
Lol I just got Robert Baratheon as my dream date. 😅 I thought it might be fun and I’d love to try the Arbor Gold but then again, I might get an STD or his super sperm may bust through my birth control so I’ll have to pass. 🤷🏻♀️
I don't get your joke. Dwarves is Tolkien and dwarfs is the 'correct way,' so why would "ourselfs" be if you are a Tolkienist? Ourselves is literally the 'Tolkien form.'
Poor dude wrote himself into a corner and to actually be considered a great, he's gotta over come this.. Kinda like a wine turnin sour, GoT leaves a crappy taste in the mouth lmao...
Arbor Gold is just like CERVEZA CRYSTAL
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If only Lancel had plied Bobby B with Arbor Gold, he would've lured the boar into a false sense of security with some honeyed words
+1!!!😂
Does fortified white wine exist?
“Gods, what a stupid name!”
Love hearing you say Petyr like you’re Lysa getting railed.
When he do that 😂
Puh-tire
petire petire petire
rip Roy Dotrice v_v
PUHTYRE OH PUHTYRE
I had a thought as I was listening to this that might add to the theory. If Arbor Gold has an "opposite" in ASOIF, it would be Dornish Red. As I recall, Dornish Red was the drink of choice of the Hound, who famously hated lies. Connection? Might be, could be. At any rate it would be interesting to do a similar breakdown of Dornish Red and it's connection to truth, if there is one, in the books.
I seem to recall oberyn calling tyrion out as a liar and saying dornish red is better than arbor gold
Surely Wyman knows you should pair meat pies with a Dornish Red. Theory confirmed.
I honestly chuckled when I remembered "Oh yeah, that's what Hizdar's hair is supposed to look like in the books.."
Reminds me of Daario Naharis's even more ridiculous book counterpart.
Every time I hear how long it’s been since ADWD breaks me a little bit inside
12 years is a crazy ass number
Yeah. 12 years a slave guy would’ve been free by now. So…. It’s been a minute.
Plus there’s not as many memorable or quotable moments in Feast or Dance as there is the first three books. Ned’s death is in Game. The battle of Blackwater is in Clash. The Red Wedding, the series defining moment, is in Storm.
The Euron intro at the Kingsmoot is pretty cool, but I can’t get show Greyjoy out of my head.
And Dance has the great line: So young," said Wyman Manderly, "Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived he would've grown up to be a Frey.
I mean. Jons death is pretty iconic
@@Human-zx4rb we are still mid confrontation, the TV show conclusion doesn’t count. Or if he never writes the last two books, the TV show is the canonical ending.
I read the first book when it came out in paperback back in 1997, got Clash in hardcover as a 35th birthday gift from my brother, was walking through an airport coming home from Hawaii and saw Storm sitting there on display. I really enjoy seeing new readers discover these books, new channels come along like Quinn's that give good analyses.
God, if I were you I would already be crazy
Benjin was the boar , bloodraven was the wine.
In a way, aren't we all the boar?
It's so simple
@@YarPirates-vy7iv maybe the real boar was the friends we made along the way
@@benclark96 the boar is the journey, not the destination?
Never would have realized this without the fan theorists. Love this idea
@@Francis..... seems to work against more than just the simple in this story…
Janos Slynt really knows his wines.
He also has friends at court.
Powerful friends!
I literally just watched the episode of the show where he’s executed. Rad scene.
This is an awesome observation that I didn’t pick up on as a reader. It reminds me a lot of the use of oranges to signal greed and/or treachery in the Godfather trilogy, and like those oranges I bet being able to pick up on the imagery/symbolism will make re-reads more enjoyable
I’m glad someone else thought of the Godfather oranges too 😂
Quinn you’ve been single-handedly keeping my love of ASOIAF burning and I thank you for that
As soon as your image of Ulf White came up, I went, "Holy shit." You cracked the code for sure, and that one seals it for me. GRRM frequently uses his peripheral stories to reinforce the patterns and themes of the main series.
I will indeed be looking out for the phrase in the next book.
I’m sure it’s been covered before, but it’s interesting that House Redwyne are not Goldwyne and their sigil is a red grape.
You can make a white or gold wine by removing the skins. So it seems that arbor gold is just made from red grapes similar to dornish reds but the wine itself is a lie to be presented as something unique.
Notice that in the books it’s referred to as singular Arbor Gold. But for dornish wine it’s plural “dornish reds”
I really like the idea that not only is the wine a bit of dramatic irony for us the readers to understand as a lie, but that it's also a lie in-world if the grapes really aren't any better than cheaper Dornish varieties, but the removal of the skins to change the color is enough to trick the average person in to believing it is a "superior vintage" and paying out the nose... after all, power resides where men believe it resides
@@JimRFF exactly! It really fits thematically
Flayed man + skinned grapes wine = Russ Bolton vampire confirmed
If that's truly the case, I imagine the reason why people value Arbor Gold so highly is because they can get completely ripped on it without a proportionately terrible hangover because of the lessened tannin levels.
@@Lexxir yeah I thought about that but couldn’t make the clear connection.
Twist: When the final script for Winds is finally delivered for print its ruined by a spilled goblet of Arbor Gold
Now I assume Arbor gold was served at the dinner Tyrion had with the Goldcloaks commander before sending his ass to the Wall.
Janos Slynt Moment
When the merchant tries to poison Danny in GOT, he says it's a wine from the Arbor...
My closest friend who basically prosthelytized ASoIaF until I devoured the first three books in his condo pool while cat sitting just passed away. It breaks my heart that he never found out how the story ends. It breaks my heart that these books so many have a deep and abiding love for will never be finished. It kills me that George has been lying about finishing the books for years. I can no longer watch videos like this because what was once a source of great joy has turned to ash in my mouth.
I'm sorry for your loss. It's not a particularly interesting idea to have about the afterlife but every time I've thought about it heaven is a room full of all the books, shows, and movies you never got to complete.
Including the endings that were never written. I hope your friend is sitting in that cozy little reading nook with his favorite drink reading the ending we have all been waiting for.
@evanprince3875 Thank you for your incredibly kind words. You've actually managed to restore a modicum of faith in humanity...and the afterlife!
@@Bewbscueser that's what we're all here for, to make the world less gloomy to those around us. The way you spoke of your friend really struck me, I'm glad I could offer some comfort with my words.
@evanprince3875 I feel like you're a very positive force for the people in your life. You managed to make an actual impact with your reply. I will do my best to pay it forward to someone in kind. I'll revisit this chat to inform you of the ongoing good that you manifested with your kindness and empathy.
Preston's "Cersei and Taena" series has a good argument for the Merryweather's being Varys/Illyrio agents, and not Tyrell loyalists
I think any reference to wine from the Arbor is a signal. When Daenerys went to the Western Market, for example, the wine merchant insisted she try the "dry red from the Arbor" (Daenerys VI)
revisit and discuss some of the Jaime chapters, especially his dreams and what they could mean
That’s a great idea!
I dunno why, but I love the subscribe parrot at the end of your videos. It's got big grade school end of the month newsletter energy and I am here for it.
I had an idea watching HOTD that the Hightower’s were secretly using wine to poison Viserys in cahoots with the maesters. 🤔
Mate, this was it. This was the post. This was the post that made me hit that subscription bell! I applaud you, ser. Your content is worth more than Arbor gold and Lannister gold combined!
What a refreshing change of pace. A theory I have never heard. Amazing theory. I appreciate the work you're doing. Glad I came across ur channel.
Can you talk about what you think will happen to Cersei and her trial?? You’re vids are so amazing
Hey Quinn!
I'm a huge ASOIAF fan from Syria and your content blows my mind every time you present a theory or a debate over a case or a character in ASOIAF, so thank you for your incredible work, but I just wanted to tell ya on little thing please, if you could slow down a little bit while you're speaking bcuz I couldn't catch all the words and for that I'll be really thankful man!
Keep going
The way Quinn just pronounced Petyr at 2:05 made me have a stroke.
Roy Dotrice pronounced it the same way in the audiobooks.
In the first book, when the wineseller found out about dany's identity, he also wanted to have her drink arbor gold
I know I’m hundred years late here but this is first time I’ve heard this me I am so happy this was great and great style
Wow just had my glass or Arbor Gold with a Dunk and Egg K7K damn🙃 I’m so happy to know it was appreciated and did feel ooohgghhh sketchy and I’m on the road now but I’m glad 😇🤨
Didn’t the wine merchant/ assassin mention Arbor Gold while he gifted a casket of poisoned wine to Danny?
Love your videos:)
It's settled then, Wyman wrote the pink letter.
that would even fit the tyrion chapter with janos slynt since slynt guessed the wine they're drinking is arbor gold but it isnt and after that there was really no dishonesty or secrets about what happened lol
Finally someone actually talking about this theory :D
Did you notice? Half the time when Quinn the GM shows images of Arbor Gold the wine pictured is actually red? Who's paying him to spread this misinformation, is it the Tyrells? (With no new books, ASOIAF theories must move into real-world conspiracies, such as whether HBO is paying GRRM to not finish TWOW)
It’s the Redwynes, actually. (I meant to have a note about that in the video but forgot to add it, my bad)
I DID MY WAITING! TWELVE YEARS OF IT!
It’s like oranges in The Godfather, whenever they show up there’s about to be some bloody business
“Littlefingler” 💀
Maybe that's what the sex workers call him ;)
Petire
Fantastic content.
How do you feel about other false/fools gold references?
He can't exactly have every lie tied to a wine. Arbor Gold might be part a more general fools gold theme.
We encounter Lem with his Lemoncloak. Sansa and her love if lemon cakes, which might suggest a sort of being fed lies. The lemon tree in Dany's memory suggesting falsehoods about her childhood. The false gold also pops up people describe his use of off gold colour.
It might also include references to pee. When Varys trades the wine it's for a baby from a suggestive area of the city.
There is a mention of Arbor gold in ACoK in Sansa's POV during the battle of Blackwater "Cersei beckoned to her page for another cup of wine, a golden vintage from the Arbor, fruity and rich."
drankity-goo analysis...love it!!!
Also this reminds me of a confusing detail to me in the books. Everybody seems to praise “Dornish Red” as some kind of superior wine. But isn’t Dorne basically Dune/Arrakis? Have you ever tried growing grapes in the desert?
I have my doubts that it can possibly be the spot for ideal vineyards. Am I wrong?
Parts of it yes but the Greenblood (basically the Nile) runs through it and would be a great place for growing grapes (I think)
Grapes grown in hot climates generally grow bigger and are sweeter because they can grow easier, this makes it so when they ferment the extra sugar makes the wine more alcoholic, this could explain why everyone loves Dorneish wine because it is more alcoholic
There's no such thing as a single biome nation. If there's no arable land you can't have a nation because you can't feed an army to protect it. You need SOME domestic food production so obviously Dorne can feed itself as it's been independent longest and most.
IIRC Dornish red is generally described as "sour", but not necessarily in a derogatory way as it does seem quite popular and expensive. The implication seems to be that Arbor gold is sweeter and more palatable than more punchy and "obvious" Dornish red. Like a good lie, it's attractive and easy to swallow.
i think Dorne is supposed to have more of a mediterranean climate given they grow grapes and olives and such, but there’s also desert in the hinterlands of the kingdom.
Sounds a lot like Cool Aid! Mmmhhm keep drinking the Arbor Gold
Oh yeah!
When in doubt BLAME BLOODRAVEN and LITTLEFINGER!!!! 🤪🤪🤪🤪
It's like the oranges in the Godfather
Thank you so much for the spoiler warning....most don't do it
Perfect intro
Juices and Chins theory or Almost a Man Grown theory next?
When i read "arbor gold" I'm like alright who is getting tricked
2:05 ON SOME ROY DOTRICE 🗣️🔥
Lies or not, nothing will change the fact that Janos slynt has friends at court.
Powerful friends!
I see it in the same way as the appearance of oranges in The Godfather
@0:31 Tyrion recoils in horror
peTIRE☠️
Been listening to the audiobooks too much
oh peTIRE 😣
@1:53 Excuse me, WHO picked up his quill?!
Yeah what??? Puh-Tire
Lord Hightower during the Dance was Ormund Hightower, not Hobert Hightower. Hobert Hightower doesn't even exist in the books (in the sense that Otto's older brother is never named).
That's a bit like theorizing that there will likelv be violence when the author mentions a unsheathed blade.
If characters are drinking arbor wine, it means 1) they are rich and 2) they have free time.
Asoiaf characters who are rich and have time on their hands are definitely up to no good
But more importantly, how often are charachters deceptive without the author mentioning arbor gold?
Most of the series is about people lying to each other and to themselves
What I want to know: Why did the artist choose to render Cersei with blue eyes and Sansa with green eyes? 😉
Sansa is a secret Lannister. Dun Dun Dun
Yeaaaaaassssss🎉
As much as I enjoy ASOIAF, I cant take many more theories ha.
I sometimes think the Collective has mapped out so many paths and turned over so many stones already that GRRM is having too difficult a time furthering the story. Hence the delay.
Ill be happy to be wrong, but I am losing faith that he will finish the books.
Here I was thinking it was just because he only ever mentions Arbor Gold or Dornish Red, the Dornish Red being not local to the Seven Kingdoms is more exotic and not as readily available :) like your analysis better
Fingler.
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Hizdahr asking for Arbor Gold sounds like nonsense to me. Why would they bother importing wine all the way from Westeros?
This theory makes me wonder what house redwyne’s endgame is.
I believe that they'll overthrow the Tyrells for Faegon.
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little fingler
Yea Wynann manderly is a cannibal
Doesn't Manderly mention Arbor Gold?
I talk about that in this video!
@@QuinnTheGM I spaced out lol
1:14 clearly a red wine, sloppy sloppy sloppy. jk nice video
Anybody else stuck with calling petyr the way Roy Dotrice pronounced it? 😅 calling him PETER Baelish always throws me off.
Wasn’t Prince Aegon poisoned by his favorite wine “arbor red”?….
I believe so! Lots o’ wine poisonings near the end of the Dance.
There is no theory that tops TyHorse though
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First to comment. Last to get laid.
Is 20 mentions really a lot? Doesn't seem like much to me
It’s a lot given that those mentions pretty much start in Feast, and happen over two books. It’s also a lot that they all have some tie to dishonesty.
Imagine if Leo IS a spy for House Tyrell inside the Citadel and is actually a nice guy, and it turns out all of his acting like a dick is so everyone assumes his family sent him to the Citadel because they hate him and no one looks closer at the matter
136th viewer.
PUTIIIIREEEE OHHHH PUTIIIIREEEEEEE
People do not talk about enough how stupid Tywin is in the books. Cersei often gets all the heat and blame for Tywin's shit plans and decisions. Marrying Tyrion to Sansa on paper was a good move, until it makes Tyion an antagonistic force to his own family. Then you realize that it was a direct and petty way to undercut the Lannisters biggest allies at a time they were heavily relying on them.
Tywin in his short sighted greed and pettiness furthered the divide between the houses. Turns out that pissing off the only reason you won the war leads to negative outcomes. When you put this together, suddenly the idea that Joffrey wasn't the target or rather was only one of the targets has a lot more credence to it.
Tywin really thought he could do whatever he wanted while Oberyn and all the Tyrells were just there. Joff deserves a lot of blame for getting himself killed, Tyrion makes that clear when Joff is compared to Aerys several times. But Tywin is responsible for so much of the Lannister's slow and painful downfall. Thinking about Winds, you think Olena and Mace will forget about what Tywin and Cersei have done when Mace meets Aegon or when Olena is plotting.
Pi-tire???!
It’s from the audiobook
@@QuinnTheGM Really? Wow. Thx
"Peh-tire" ?? lol
Lol I just got Robert Baratheon as my dream date. 😅
I thought it might be fun and I’d love to try the Arbor Gold but then again, I might get an STD or his super sperm may bust through my birth control so I’ll have to pass. 🤷🏻♀️
For the Algorithim 😘
Blood for the algorithm gods
I don't get your joke. Dwarves is Tolkien and dwarfs is the 'correct way,' so why would "ourselfs" be if you are a Tolkienist? Ourselves is literally the 'Tolkien form.'
Pitire, really lol
Peh tyre lol
Sanity is for the weak
Tolkien said "ourselfs"? That's dumb, and not a word
pretty sure it's a joke on how the traditional plural for dwarf is "dwarfs", and Tolkien invented the word "dwarves"
You shoildve done this video while drunk
puhtire
Poor dude wrote himself into a corner and to actually be considered a great, he's gotta over come this.. Kinda like a wine turnin sour, GoT leaves a crappy taste in the mouth lmao...
Its Pronounced "Peter," not "Puhtire."
Please stop listening to the audiobooks, Roy Dotrice mispronounced so many names! 🤦♂️
Why tf are you pronouncing his name Puh-tire? I had to stop the video as soon as I heard that twice.
It’s a reference to the audiobooks, that’s the pronunciation there.