Excellent video that thoroughly covers the basics. Crediting which runner scored as a result of an RBI can be tracked more efficiently by replacing RBI hash marks with the batting order number of the runner(s) (not jersey number). In the example above: Bellagamba's (2)RBI home run scored batters #3 & #4... write "3,4" instead of "II". This modification can eliminate confusion, especially when sorting out complex situations. Would love to see how mikescottbaseball handles the dropped third strike both in batter-runner out and batter-runner safe situations.
Most scorebooks have more than 9 innings in them, so what's usually done is, you simply cross the inning number at the top out and renumber accordingly... So, if a team beats through the lineup in the 5th, you would cross out the 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 and renumber them 5,6,7,8,9. Of course, if the game goes into extra innings, you might have to improvise and use another page to finish the game. :)
Great basic tutorial. Personally I use "tick" marks to show where runners stopped on the bag. This shows legit 2B/3B hits over bags reached; plus dots too show runs instead of a filled in diamond. Keeps things clean. Finally, use numbers in the pitch count boxes so you know on which pitch a hit occurred.
Great video man. It's easy to follow and you did a nice job of explaining the wide range of situations that you're likely to see while watching a ball game.
Great stuff, thanks. I have to start scoring for my son's team, so this was a big help.....and I think you have the nicest handwriting I've ever seen from a man!
Excellent tutorial. I do one thing a little differently. I don't keep track of the balls and strikes (too much work if you are just having fun, or in a rec league), so I put a tick mark for an RBI in the boxes that are there for the balls and strikes. Just personal preference.
I have been diligently keeping score on TV games, using what I picked up from a Kindle book, but this is so much better. Not that I won't need to watch it again, but it does put into place some gray areas in my mind. (no pun intended) Thanks for your effort, Mike!
Pitcher A pitches to Batter 1 who flies out to right field. Batter 2 reaches on base on balls. Batter 3 doubles, Batter 2 reaches third base. Pitcher B relieves Pitcher A. Pitcher B pitches to Batter 3 and the ball reaches the backstop. We’ll call it a passed ball to take Pitcher B out of this scenario. (If it is deemed a wild pitch the impact on earned runs is the same). Batter 2 scores on the passed ball. Batter 3 advances to third on the passed ball. Batter 4 grounds to the pitcher and is thrown out at first, but Batter 2 scores on a fielder’s choice. Batter 5 grounds out to short and the inning is ended. What runs are earned in the above scenario, if any? (Rule 9.16 in the rule book, Earned Runs and Runs Allowed)
Kate Spinelli I was wondering the same question. Cross out the top number for the next column (inning) and continue downward on the next as if it were the same? What about the next inning?
Special terms I am thinking of.... IF - Infield fly. Since the batter doing that IF is automatically out before the ball is caught, just put in the player number who caught the IF, like 1 (for pitcher). GRD - Ground Rule Double - do 2 lines for HP to IB and IB to 2B. Put GRD in the pitcher's area, since the batter who hits the ground rule double can only advance to 2nd and no more than that. More abbreviations..... FK - foul strikeout - in this case, usually the foul strikeout is in 2 ways - FK - T - foul strikeout by foul tip FK - BF - for foul strikeout by bunting foul on 2nd strike
FYI.... this is advanced score keeping and you do not need to write in everything like he shows you because some books are small and you dont have enough room to put everything. I keep track of the strikes, balls(helps with pitch counts too), errors, where a batter hit, stolen bases, and outs. I do not mark rbi's, runner advances on wild pitches, errors, etc. It's nice to know this but in reality games for kids in rec or travel ball does not need to have every stat until theybstart playing high school ball. Another thing if a player misses a ball trying to make a play it is not always counted as an error so if you're not sure ask the coach if he wants to record errors. Actually if you keeping book for kids under 12yo I wouldn't even worry about errors or stolen bases... pitch count (balls/strikes), outs and the runners/score.
Baker did not score the last out, nor did not reach base that inning. His at bat was never completed so it does not count as an official at bat. When he returns to the plate, he will start with a fresh 0-0 Balls and Stikes count as well. His at bat does not "continue". Scott does earn an RBI on that FC. Yes.
Great Video! At 7:20 I think Scott Should be given an RBI on the fielders choice. I believe in MLB rules if the fielders choice is a double play, then the hitter would not get an RBI for the run scored.
I know this was awhile ago but I do it similar to if they were caught stealing. Draw the line halfway between 1st & 2nd, but instead of writing 2-5 (like catcher to shortstop for example) I write 1-3 (pitcher to 1st baseman). You can also write “PO” for pickoff next to the line halfway between 1st & 2nd. Hope this helped!
For the batting purposes, only an error. On this card only the E2 would be tallied. If you were on the other side and keeping the pitching stats, the pitcher would still be awarded a strikeout, despite the error occurring. That run, if he ever comes to cross the plate, would be unearned and not count against his ERA.
This was great, but what happens if the line-up bats around and you've filled the column for, say, the fourth inning? Do you simply shift over into the column for the fifth inning and continue, renumbering the inning columns across the top of the page? Is there any special notation or system for doing this? Thanks.
I was going to raise my hand if I was in class - doesn't the first guy get an RBI in the 4th from the FC but he answered my question later. No RBIs for WP or Errors. Got it!
If the team bats around, let's say in the 3rd inning, what you do, is this: you go to the 4th column, but cross out the number and write 3rd, and then continue filling in as normal. For the 4th inning, you use the 5th column, so you have to cross out the 5 and write 4, and you do this for every subsequent inning. Most scorecards have at least 10 innings, so it usually works out fine.
When Kennedy was caught stealing, Baker would have been up to bat and would not have finished his at-bat. How would you annotate he was at bat but never finished due to the third out caught stealing 2nd?
Some scorebooks have a row of numbers to mark off for that. You can also add little dots next to the strike boxes to indicate foul balls after the first two strikes.
This good to know and thanks for sharing. Is the score keeper for the home team supposed to keep score and notations for visitors as well, or is each team responsible for their own? Thanks again.
In the leagues I've scored for, there are scorekeepers for both teams, and each one keeps a page for each team. In the scorebook, you normally use facing pages so that you have one half of the game on one side, and the other half right across from it. The coaches are going to know what happened during both halves of the inning, and it's handy to have someone to compare notes with.
I'm confused too, if Kennedy was caught stealing Baker would have been at bat at the time and would not have finished his at-bat, Ulrichs should have been the first batter in the 4th. Not sure how to annotate that either lol
To quote the MLB Glossary: "A batter does not receive a plate appearance if a runner is thrown out on the bases to end the inning while he is at bat." Baker is not credited with a plate appearance (PA) in that situation, so he gets to go up first in the 4th inning.
You move over to the next column, but you cross out the number. So if you bat around in the 3rd, you go to the 4th column, cross out the number 4 and write 3, and keep going from there. And then you change the number for every subsequent inning. Most scorecards have at least 10 innings, it you usually don't run out of space.
What do you do when there is a runner on 1st and a grounder is hit to the SS and he steps on second base and throws to 1B? Would it just be the 6-3 double play? Or 6U-3?
A lot of scorecards have more than nine columns, so you can enter stats for extra innings played. What you could do is use one of those, and write the inning number (4) at the top to show the continuation. So in this video, if the fourth inning meant that Baker batted twice, I would move across to the furthest right extra column and enter his details on the 6th line down. The reason I'd use the furthest right column is that if the game goes to ten innings and you've put the continuation of inning four right next to inning nine, then you'd have the columns in the order 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 4, 10 ... which would be a bit confusing. You could then in theory fill in nine more at bats in the fourth inning, although the chances of getting 18 batters at the plate in one inning are slim. :-)
+Kristi koons That;s from a Rawling's System-17 scorebook available at stores like Olympia Sports or Dick's Sporting Goods(with their logo on the front) and at www.dickssportinggoods.com or www.rawlings.com.
in the third inning the number 5 batter was put caught stealing for the third out. Assuming that the number 6 batter was at the plate when this occurred should the 4th inning start with the number 7 batter? other than that great tutorial.
@@toddrandall68 Rules supposedly state that if the batter only reaches first base on a dropped third strike, it cannot be an error -- and error only occurs if he advances more than one base. The scoring for just reaching first base is a K with a PB (passed ball).
Great tutorial for a 1st timer! Appreciate the time you put into this.
Excellent video that thoroughly covers the basics. Crediting which runner scored as a result of an RBI can be tracked more efficiently by replacing RBI hash marks with the batting order number of the runner(s) (not jersey number). In the example above: Bellagamba's (2)RBI home run scored batters #3 & #4... write "3,4" instead of "II". This modification can eliminate confusion, especially when sorting out complex situations.
Would love to see how mikescottbaseball handles the dropped third strike both in batter-runner out and batter-runner safe situations.
Agreed drop third rule is heavy in our league
"Pitcher's having a rough inning right here." :D
Most scorebooks have more than 9 innings in them, so what's usually done is, you simply cross the inning number at the top out and renumber accordingly... So, if a team beats through the lineup in the 5th, you would cross out the 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 and renumber them 5,6,7,8,9.
Of course, if the game goes into extra innings, you might have to improvise and use another page to finish the game. :)
Exactly what I needed. Actually more than needed for the community league I coach in but gleaned what needed and got stuff for more advanced. THANKS!
Thank you! Went to a Brewers game on Saturday. Had my scoresheet. Watched Canha hit the Grand Slam out of the park for the tie breaker! Was amazing!!!
How the brewers stadium in indoor
@@Ziphros it leaks. The people to to the right of us had to move because the water was pouring right on them but most areas were dry.
Great basic tutorial. Personally I use "tick" marks to show where runners stopped on the bag. This shows legit 2B/3B hits over bags reached; plus dots too show runs instead of a filled in diamond. Keeps things clean. Finally, use numbers in the pitch count boxes so you know on which pitch a hit occurred.
Thank you
Great video man. It's easy to follow and you did a nice job of explaining the wide range of situations that you're likely to see while watching a ball game.
Great stuff, thanks. I have to start scoring for my son's team, so this was a big help.....and I think you have the nicest handwriting I've ever seen from a man!
Excellent tutorial. I do one thing a little differently. I don't keep track of the balls and strikes (too much work if you are just having fun, or in a rec league), so I put a tick mark for an RBI in the boxes that are there for the balls and strikes. Just personal preference.
Huge Cubbies fan for years, just now learning how to actually keep a scoresheet. Thank you for this
great video...but you robbed Scott of an rbi in the 4th!
I have been diligently keeping score on TV games, using what I picked up from a Kindle book, but this is so much better. Not that I won't need to watch it again, but it does put into place some gray areas in my mind. (no pun intended) Thanks for your effort, Mike!
Thanks, Mike! This has always been a mystery to me.
This was a great video. Very informative and well made all around. Thanks man
Pitcher A pitches to Batter 1 who flies out to right field. Batter 2 reaches on base on balls. Batter 3 doubles, Batter 2 reaches third base.
Pitcher B relieves Pitcher A.
Pitcher B pitches to Batter 3 and the ball reaches the backstop. We’ll call it a passed ball to take Pitcher B out of this scenario. (If it is deemed a wild pitch the impact on earned runs is the same). Batter 2 scores on the passed ball. Batter 3 advances to third on the passed ball.
Batter 4 grounds to the pitcher and is thrown out at first, but Batter 2 scores on a fielder’s choice.
Batter 5 grounds out to short and the inning is ended.
What runs are earned in the above scenario, if any?
(Rule 9.16 in the rule book, Earned Runs and Runs Allowed)
Good video but what if the line up hits around in an inning before getting all 3 outs?
You would go to the next inning and cross the number out and put the number of the inning you where on
Kate Spinelli I was wondering the same question. Cross out the top number for the next column (inning) and continue downward on the next as if it were the same? What about the next inning?
I think you just keep crossing it out? Idk I probably should know I have to keep the book tomorrow for my softball team
Yes you renumber all subsequent innings
@@garrettrichards5559 Or use a scorecard with blank inning boxes...
Wow this was incredibly helpful! I have lots to learn.
Special terms I am thinking of....
IF - Infield fly. Since the batter doing that IF is automatically out before the ball is caught, just put in the player number who caught the IF, like 1 (for pitcher).
GRD - Ground Rule Double - do 2 lines for HP to IB and IB to 2B. Put GRD in the pitcher's area, since the batter who hits the ground rule double can only advance to 2nd and no more than that.
More abbreviations.....
FK - foul strikeout - in this case, usually the foul strikeout is in 2 ways -
FK - T - foul strikeout by foul tip
FK - BF - for foul strikeout by bunting foul on 2nd strike
This is so awesome! Great detail and good choice of plays. Thank you for posting :)
Thank you. This was great and easy to understand.
FYI.... this is advanced score keeping and you do not need to write in everything like he shows you because some books are small and you dont have enough room to put everything. I keep track of the strikes, balls(helps with pitch counts too), errors, where a batter hit, stolen bases, and outs. I do not mark rbi's, runner advances on wild pitches, errors, etc. It's nice to know this but in reality games for kids in rec or travel ball does not need to have every stat until theybstart playing high school ball. Another thing if a player misses a ball trying to make a play it is not always counted as an error so if you're not sure ask the coach if he wants to record errors. Actually if you keeping book for kids under 12yo I wouldn't even worry about errors or stolen bases... pitch count (balls/strikes), outs and the runners/score.
Thank you for posting this is was really informational because I need to write the book for my school team this really helped a lot!
What do you do if the bats around the order, a batter hits twice in one inning
Very informative. Thank you!!
Word of warning, don't watch this video outside of the baseball season as you'll really miss watching games.
Baker did not score the last out, nor did not reach base that inning. His at bat was never completed so it does not count as an official at bat. When he returns to the plate, he will start with a fresh 0-0 Balls and Stikes count as well. His at bat does not "continue".
Scott does earn an RBI on that FC. Yes.
Excellent Thanks!
The design of the scorebook page is the same design as the pages of the scorebooks sold at some sporting goods stores(Olympia, Dick's, etc.).
Very helpful. Thanks for posting.
Thank you sooooo much! I'm the score keeper for little league, great help! 1st time doing it.
The way you mark for runners advancing, it's going to be confusing figuring out how many errors or wild pitches or whatever there are
Excellent!
Great Video!
At 7:20 I think Scott Should be given an RBI on the fielders choice.
I believe in MLB rules if the fielders choice is a double play, then the hitter would not get an RBI for the run scored.
Thabks so much for this tutorial. It really helped me for scoring, i only knew some basics of it
Thanks for the video had to watch this cuz my coach requiring us to chart games
Thank you for going over the subs hitters at the end! I need to know how to sub pitchers though :) I'm confused by that.
nice instructing, mike! thanks.
What’s the notation for picked off?
I know this was awhile ago but I do it similar to if they were caught stealing. Draw the line halfway between 1st & 2nd, but instead of writing 2-5 (like catcher to shortstop for example) I write 1-3 (pitcher to 1st baseman). You can also write “PO” for pickoff next to the line halfway between 1st & 2nd. Hope this helped!
Best tutorial on UA-cam by a huge margin 8:30 should be an RBI on the FC I believe?
For the batting purposes, only an error. On this card only the E2 would be tallied. If you were on the other side and keeping the pitching stats, the pitcher would still be awarded a strikeout, despite the error occurring. That run, if he ever comes to cross the plate, would be unearned and not count against his ERA.
The batter who is scored a fielder's choice and causes the run to score should have been awarded an RBI.
Yup
I think you could use the Rawlings Official Pro Model scorebook, which has 12 inning columns per sheet.
Thanks, just saw the answer from Kenneth Trimble's post.
Wonder if Kennedy got his spot back next game.
This was great, but what happens if the line-up bats around and you've filled the column for, say, the fourth inning? Do you simply shift over into the column for the fifth inning and continue, renumbering the inning columns across the top of the page? Is there any special notation or system for doing this? Thanks.
Yes how indeed
I was going to raise my hand if I was in class - doesn't the first guy get an RBI in the 4th from the FC but he answered my question later. No RBIs for WP or Errors. Got it!
What if in the same inning and the batting order overlaps? For example kept going with 2 or less outs?
If the team bats around, let's say in the 3rd inning, what you do, is this: you go to the 4th column, but cross out the number and write 3rd, and then continue filling in as normal. For the 4th inning, you use the 5th column, so you have to cross out the 5 and write 4, and you do this for every subsequent inning. Most scorecards have at least 10 innings, so it usually works out fine.
Very helpful, thanks!
Huge help. Thanks
Great video, what would I write is the pitcher picks off a baserunner?
if the pick was at first base you would write "1-3 pick" and whatever out in the circle
When Kennedy was caught stealing, Baker would have been up to bat and would not have finished his at-bat. How would you annotate he was at bat but never finished due to the third out caught stealing 2nd?
What happens when a team bats around in an inning? Do you have to move to the next column?
The fielders choice in the 4th should’ve got an rbi. There was a lot going on there, so I’m not mad you missed it, lol
You dont get an RBI for FC
In the fourth inning when Ulrichs scored on the 6-4 fielder's choice, why didn't the batter Scott get awarded an RBI?
Chris B. Think he just forgot to mention that.
Did you notice he did not advance the 4th batter on the balk but gave him a home-run? Slight overlook but a great tutorial.
Kenneth Trimble The batter doesn't get a base on a balk. The runners advance and the batter remains at bat.
Batters don't get 1st on a balk. Runners advance.
Or you could print a double-sided scoresheet off the internet and insert it into the scorebook after you fill it out.
How do keep score for both teams and count pitches? Marking strikes and balls doesn’t cover repeated foul balls.
Some scorebooks have a row of numbers to mark off for that. You can also add little dots next to the strike boxes to indicate foul balls after the first two strikes.
This good to know and thanks for sharing. Is the score keeper for the home team supposed to keep score and notations for visitors as well, or is each team responsible for their own? Thanks again.
In the leagues I've scored for, there are scorekeepers for both teams, and each one keeps a page for each team. In the scorebook, you normally use facing pages so that you have one half of the game on one side, and the other half right across from it. The coaches are going to know what happened during both halves of the inning, and it's handy to have someone to compare notes with.
Two quick questions: why is Baker the last batter in the 3rd and the first batter in the 4th? Also does scott earn a RBI on the FC? Thx! Great videos!
I'm confused too, if Kennedy was caught stealing Baker would have been at bat at the time and would not have finished his at-bat, Ulrichs should have been the first batter in the 4th. Not sure how to annotate that either lol
To quote the MLB Glossary: "A batter does not receive a plate appearance if a runner is thrown out on the bases to end the inning while he is at bat."
Baker is not credited with a plate appearance (PA) in that situation, so he gets to go up first in the 4th inning.
Great job
Start in the next column and update the inning number for the new inning.
What’s the move when you go over through the lineup in one inning
Mike, are these videos on keeping a scorebook going to be on your DVD?
Are Sacrifice Bunts and Sacrifice Flies written differently? If so, how are they written?!!
+Andy I write sacrifice bunt as "SBT" and sacrifice fly as "SF".
You are awesome, thanks
Thanks, good video.
Thank You!
great video!! Thank You!!
What do you do if you go all the way through the lineup since the whole inning would be filled up
Cross out the next inning and write the same inning you're in. If you were in the 6th and you batted around, cross out the 7th, and make it the 6th.
Try putting in some Pitching changes and substitutions
What do u do if the same batter comes to hit in the same inning???
You move over to the next column, but you cross out the number. So if you bat around in the 3rd, you go to the 4th column, cross out the number 4 and write 3, and keep going from there. And then you change the number for every subsequent inning. Most scorecards have at least 10 innings, it you usually don't run out of space.
What do you do if they bat around?
RBI FC for Scott!
I know this is an old video but what happens when the team bats around? Where do you keep the score for that?
What do I do if my book doesn't have the types of hits on top? Do I just write it on the path from home to first?
What I do, is write the type of it in the diamond itself, and then I also don't color it in if the runner scores.
I actually learned something today
What happens if you have 1 batter come up more than once in an inning.
What do you do when there is a runner on 1st and a grounder is hit to the SS and he steps on second base and throws to 1B? Would it just be the 6-3 double play? Or 6U-3?
6U-3 since technically the shortstop doesn't have a bag
Thanks!!
Nice tutorial!
Rule #1
Use PENCIL ❤
how about infield fly rule?
Pulling Kennedy instead of Baker, who is 2-4. SMH
thanks for this video..
Impossibly confusing. It seems it would be easier to learn Chineese and Dutch languages !
What about a pick off? You did failed stolen base but isn't that different?
What if someone bats twice in the same inning?
+Nicole In high school baseball it does actually
+Nicole is think they'd have to be pretty similar, but there might be some minor differences
+FriendsPlayGames They call it "batting around" and it happens in a lot of minor league and major league games.
A lot of scorecards have more than nine columns, so you can enter stats for extra innings played. What you could do is use one of those, and write the inning number (4) at the top to show the continuation. So in this video, if the fourth inning meant that Baker batted twice, I would move across to the furthest right extra column and enter his details on the 6th line down.
The reason I'd use the furthest right column is that if the game goes to ten innings and you've put the continuation of inning four right next to inning nine, then you'd have the columns in the order 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 4, 10 ... which would be a bit confusing.
You could then in theory fill in nine more at bats in the fourth inning, although the chances of getting 18 batters at the plate in one inning are slim. :-)
Move to the next column. If the innings are noted at the top of the column, then cross them out and write in the inning you are in.
How do you notate a pitching change?
I usually put a horizontal line between the rows were the pitching change occurred.
Shouldn't Scott have gotten credit for an RBI on the fielders choice in the 4th?
Depends. If the runner breaks on contact yes. But if not no.
I wanna know about a drop 3rd strike? How do you put that in the book?
K PB if the runner reaches firstbase...or K 2-3 if the catcher throws the batter out at firstbase
@@tavisvee2ify what does the PB stand for?
@@sarahgilmurray6718 Passed Ball.
Thank you
What if the second baseman didn’t catch but it was right next to him is that an error or a hit
That is actually up to the umpire and/or scorer to decide.
what scorekeeping book do you use?
+Kristi koons That;s from a Rawling's System-17 scorebook available at stores like Olympia Sports or Dick's Sporting Goods(with their logo on the front) and at www.dickssportinggoods.com or www.rawlings.com.
What do you do if the team bats thru the lineup?
in the third inning the number 5 batter was put caught stealing for the third out. Assuming that the number 6 batter was at the plate when this occurred should the 4th inning start with the number 7 batter? other than that great tutorial.
no if the 6th batter was up he should start the next inning
Rboert B You are correct.
how would you score a man reaching 1st on a dropped 3rd strike?
Depending on who is deemed at fault for the drop....WP for a wild pitch (earned if he scores) or PB a passed ball (unearned of he scores).
i'm interested in the answer to this as well
World record of Mk's
Ehat happens if the team bats around in one inning
If it happens in the 4th inning, move to the 5th and cross off Inning 5 and put 4. Same with the rest of the innings.
How do you score a play where the batter strikes out BUT it's a passed ball and he reaches first ? is this an error or a strike-out or both ?
It's a strikeout but I would think it's up to the scorer if it's an E1 or E2.
@@toddrandall68 Rules supposedly state that if the batter only reaches first base on a dropped third strike, it cannot be an error -- and error only occurs if he advances more than one base. The scoring for just reaching first base is a K with a PB (passed ball).