Hey Gilbert and to everyone on the LGBTQIA+ side of the debate from Jubilee. I watched the Middle Ground video and straight from the comment section there saw you were doing a wrap up video and I'm glad that there were points cleared up and some more light brought from your guy's perspective. I too am part of the LGBTQ+ (Bi & Genderfluid) and of Christian faith so being able to relate to you guys and see the empathy and compassion extended to the EX's just puts a little more hope in my heart that there's others out there. I do want to bring up the point regarding that there's a small percentage of people who are Intersex and/or who fall under the umbrella but there is a prime example from my country. I'm from South Africa and there is a famous Olympic gold medalist sports woman Caster Semenya who falls under the Intersex umbrella (I think her condition is DSD- differences in sex development; go do more research on her, her journey is really eye-opening). Because she has a typically higher testosterone level of someone who falls under the male standard, people keep on trying to disprove that the fact that she identifies as a woman and has to continually fight the World's Athletics Association to continue to let her race in women's events or even just be counted in the records. Seeing people not validate her and Abigail's experiences break my heart since Caster really had the potential to be something great but has to continue to prove her existence to everyone just to be validated as an athlete. So to anyone who's reading this, you were made in the image of God and you are a beautifully woven diverse multi-layered painting of a human being. Your existence alone is validated and no one else can take that away from you :)
I’m not Christian, I’m spiritual. And I just subscribed because I could literally feel the love you have through my screen, and love is the highest vibration, higher and bigger than any religious orientation. Thank you guys for such beautiful,warm, loving but also knowledgeable energy🫶🏾. Wishing you all the best♥️.
All of you are fake Christians spreading falsehoods about the Bible we Christians are meant to preach. The Bible is the authority. Stop trying to justify your sins. it's a sin
Honestly I felt like Rashad’s animosity toward Abigail stemmed from being unable to dispute or invalidate her experience. He couldn’t reject that she literally exists or claim that it was a product of her own/another person’s doing, so that frustration led to the aggressive behavior we see in the video.
Cognitive dissonance lol I hate religion bc of this, it's so fucked up to lead someone to think a way that constantly runs into logical fallacies and circular logic making it the only way to make it make any scrap of sense
In the beginning he said he used to “dress up as a woman”. I think he struggles with his own gender identity and he hates that part of himself, so he had extra smoke for Abigail because she reminded him of the most sensitive aspect of his own identity. He was projecting and it was horrific to witness. Abigail is such a sweetie.
I definitely feel like we should’ve heard more about people’s actual stories. In past middle grounds, there would be solo interview shots were people gave a brief description of their background.
As a trans person I was so appreciative of Abigail and all the stuff she went through on that panel in order to give some good representation and stand up for the gender side of things. She really didn't deserve any of what was said to her and I wish Jubilee protected her better from blatantly having her person attacked.
It's different tho, just as non-binary isn't trans etc. It made no sense for her to be there. Being a hermaphrodite doesn't change the fact you have XX or XY chromosomes. Trans people transition it's completely different and it confused my own intersex friend why she4 was there in the first place as they don't want to be lumped into a queer category whatsoever.
@@GilbertGTV as a real gay man it's time you wake up the the more sinister homophobia which is TQ+ what the heck is the plus it's literally straight men and women with fetishes and have hijacked gay/lesbian rights wake up please.
As a Christian I was SO MAD at the other side. They were painting you as the devil, having no personal thoughts, was not treating Abigail as a human being and the fact that they CLAIMED TO KNOW who goes to heaven and hell. I am just mad and sad for them at the same time and wish they gonna grow a lot as kind, open and respectful people. I am just here to let you know. Even as a Christian I did see all of those things too
I’m sorry if Christians appear to be judgmental on this issue, which we sometimes can be. No one deserves to be demonized for that. However, the brass tax is, is homosexuality a sin. According to the Bible it is and as such homosexuals are living in opposition to God’s will. 1 Corinthians 6:9 states the consequence for such actions but also note that it’s not just homosexuality but all manner of sin. That is why we need to warn others to turn from it
@@shawnboahene5231im so done with the types of people with you basing your sins off a book that has no proof at all. when will people see the truth of life without it including to the side of the bible or religions? i need to tell to people that there's more life than bible or god himself, please get a life and ignore all of those false claiming to preach for a god we don't even know to exist.
the jubilee video made me cry. the careless remarks, blatant disrespect…. i don’t understand how these people can be so harsh. thank you guys for opening up even more about the conversation, the editing for the debate wasn’t the best in my opinion.
As a Christian, I apologize on the behalf of other Christians who attack anybody. Even if they disagree, nobody should be attacked or called names. This is not who we are. We are called to love one another. I am tired of the Western division on all these social issues, I want us to live in peace. God Bless Everyone.
@@snogfesthosebeast you’re right in a sense where I am not personally responsible, but I feel the need to say this because of the division going on and this misconception about Christian or other religious groups
This is the reason christianity isn't taken seriously and islam is. You'll never see a muslim apologizing for truly believing the doctrine. If something is haram it is haram. If something is a sin, it is a sin. A person doesn't hate the sinner they hate the sin and should call out the sin and make no excuses for it. It is what it is. The judgement is left to God but calling it out is just stating a fact. If the person feels shame for their sin, then it is on them to repent. That shame is the feeling of truth because they know in their hearts what sin is.
Same… I went to both church constantly AND Christian school. As early as 9 I would pray and pray & pray some more to be “normal” or “lord please take this away I don’t want to feel like this” and those prayers weren’t answered because God has always loved and accepted me as I was/am. And today at 25 I am very proud and accepting of myself and my bisexuality… it makes me so so sad to see other queer people self-loathing & terrified of “going to hell” or disappointing god. It’s truly self hatred and I pray they accept themselves one day. Fully.
@@DesireeJ007 same, double wammy here with Christian school and church too, my family was Pentecostal most at school were Anglican or Reformed, so we were the wrong type of Christian at school and too Christian everywhere else, very very traumatic upbringing around those things. I remember being very young and having a breakdown/meltdown about not wanting to go to hell. Not sure like... where those thoughts came from at the time.
@@titaniascarletknight our stories seem very similar. I was also terrified of god not loving me/me going to hell if I ever decided I wanted to date a girl or something. Plus having school/church/home life speaking hatefully about homosexuality made it all the worse. The words were so crazy hurtful and I was just a kid who was already so sad about being “different” and couldn’t “pray away the gay”. It’s a miserable existence to deny who you are, and once I decided to accept myself my relationship with god & church thrived. He truly is LOVE. not some dictator as these people are trying to make him seem. Also it’s interesting to me how none of them made the point of no longer being attracted to the same sex, just that they were good at denying their existence and living unhappy lives in the name of god, the Old Testament and Christianity.
@@DesireeJ007I remember the same thing vividly, but for me I was praying for God to take away my attraction/lust for girls. I was abt 13yrs old at a church camp and there was a couple girls wearing yoga pants right in front of me. I kept begging God "PLEASE, when I open my eyes let me be able to look at these girls, not be immediately drawn to their ass, and not feel the desire to have sex w/them" I'd open my eyes, then immediately go back to praying hoping that if I begged hard enough, one of the next times I'd open my eyes, I would no longer be tempted to sin. It didn't work. I'm a guy btw so if I acted and succeeded my sin would be premarital sex, but sin is sin.
This recap was perfect timing after the Jubilee discussion. I really feel badly about how Abigail was attacked. I’m glad you all were able to support each other.
Gilbert...love love LOVED the way you and the team handled them on that panel. As a black transwoman who was raised christian, the video triggered so many trauma experiences I had in the past. It was crazy. Especially from one specific panelist.
Rashad even mentioned having personally experienced some gender stuff, i really hope rashad finds healing and peace and can live in the truth of who rashad is
@raekarkoc928 Rashad was the panelist I was talking about. He's so hostile to LGBTQ+ individuals that it's obvious he's currently fighting with his identify and sexuality.
extremely needed conclusion to such an uneasy debate - lovely, diverse and eloquent group of people who actually had experience and knowledge to back their arguments up. Thank you all❤
As someone who isn’t involved in any religion, Abigail’s closing remarks about your group’s love is the closest thing she felt to godly love in many years made me tear up.
@@user-oh6wb5rj2qdown low, usually it’s bi/gay dudes who are in the closet that say they’re on the down low (DL) when they secretly hook up with other dudes
I feel so incredibly sad for the ex-LGBTQ. They don't realize it but they are victims of extreme social pressure and programing to the point that they deny fundamental parts of themselves. At one point, I was in a similar place but luckily I'm no longer in that sad, painful place. I hope one day they can accept who they are and be proud of that.
@@Bussycane there is extreme social pressure to be LGBTQ+ as well. There is denial of how we are fundamentally made to fit the mode of how someone feels. There is programming happening. I don’t believe sexuality has to be an identity. It’s a part of who we are, but it is not who we are.
As a bi Catholic man, the prompt that hurt me the most was the prompt about going to hell. I have loved every one's views here and the reminder of God's love regardless of how we are.
Y’all did the Lord’s work in the debate. It was incredibly frustrating but y’all kept it watchable. I’m sorry Abigail was attacked and I really appreciated her participation in the discussion.
Hey! I'm curious, the Lord's work? What did they do exactly? The opposite side was truthful and honest. If they are claiming to be Christians they must live as Jesus lived... Jesus was very brutally honest and was definitely loving, but I do apologize for the behavior of most Christians today who are rude unnecessarily as that isnt the example of Christ. But the truth will not sound nice. We are called to love but we must also be honest. What did you think about Jesus telling the woman caught in the act of adultery? He said, who condemns you? And she said no one lord. And he proceeded to tell her to go and Sin No more. Jesus was honest and this side was definitely not honest. They are crucifying Jesus on the cross all over again. 😢...if Jesus had to die for our rebellion we owe our lives to Him in totality, and this includes our sexuality.
I think it was telling that they are insecure people too especially Gilbert with his anger when the ex lgbt are literally ppl who take gods work literally.. it’s not like they had bad intentions uk? And same for the counsellor Candice response to Rashad when she got defensive and said he could not quote scripture.. all in all I do wish everyone the best. Life can be tough
Just wanted to say, you spoke extremely well on the Jubilee panel, Gilbert! Your points were clear and your logic was airtight. I admire your empathy and your intelligence, sir!
This just made me well up! What a tremendously kind thing to say! I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to come over say express that! You just made my day!!
As an atheist who was brought up w/ no religion forced on me, that debate was so frustrating to watch. Like I don’t care about what the Bible or what Jesus has said, and so the ex-lgbt ppl were basically says nonsense according to my worldview.
Exactly! 100% agree...!!! LGBTQIA+ existence & reality is not dependent on anyone's personal approval, nor is it dependent on anyone's religious beliefs. 👍🏽
i wish i had voices around me like this growing up, it would've saved me from a lot of mental and emotional conflict. we have to keep having these conversations so that the future generations are confident and stand strong in their truth. thank you!!
I appreciate this video so much. I'm a lesbian (who is also a Christian) and I felt that in Jubilee's video the LGBTQIA+ side was not well respected. Rashad took it way too far in multiple instances and wasn't stopped by the Jubilee team, and that disgusts me. The "ex" LGBTQIA+ side is preaching hate, not the Word of God. Much love to you Gilbert, Abigail, Brandan, and Candice. 💞💞
I'm so glad that you did this recap because after watching your "middle ground" episode I was disturbed. The four of you did a fantastic and important job! Thank you for that! You're a great team! I must say that I'm very worried for Rashad. He seemed totally brainwashed like someone programmed him to very conservative christian. So much damage was done to him. I held my breath several times.
I wanted to state something that I noticed while watching the video. First of all the I would've expected the ex-LBTQIA'ers to be more mature, why did the whole argument have to be a 1 hour discussion about theology. Like what happend to clear science? Of course it's good to discuss both but would've liked to see more of science based evidence. and by the way Xiala was just not making sense to be honest. At 9:21 she said that there are no biological markers, like DNA that can predict homosexuality. The absence of identified biological markers for a particular trait or characteristic doesn't necessarily mean that the trait doesn't exist or that there might not be biological underpinnings. In the case of homosexuality, the absence of specific, identifiable genetic markers or definitive biological indicators doesn't invalidate its existence. The statement that there are no identified biological markers for homosexuality implies that, as of current understanding, scientists haven't pinpointed a singular genetic or physiological factor that consistently predicts someone's sexual orientation. However, this doesn't discount the potential existence of biological components influencing sexual orientation. It's entirely plausible that there are biological factors contributing to sexual orientation that haven't been fully comprehended or identified yet. The complexity of human behavior and biology often means that phenomena like sexual orientation might be influenced by a combination of genetic, hormonal, environmental, and developmental factors that are not fully understood. Scientific research on the topic is ongoing, and while current knowledge might not have provided a definitive biological marker, it doesn't negate the lived experiences of individuals or the validity of sexual orientations that don't conform to the heterosexual norm. The absence of specific markers at a given time doesn't preclude the possibility of their discovery or the acknowledgment of underlying biological aspects that contribute to sexual orientation. Also saying gay people are causing earth quakes is just mental asylum type shit. By the way Abigail I have so much respect for you staying calm, when constantly being invalidated.
science and God lowkey contradict alot of things, its like saying yes and no to something at the same time yet the answer is only one? but i mean , opinion. just an opinion
I agree wholeheartedly with what you said. It couldn’t have been said better. I find when one looks in the bible to answer all the questions that they seek, then you will get what you say in that debate. These very same people also used the bible to stifle and limit who they are in the world and how they interact in it. When the bible is used only as your one source of reference, then you will get immaturity that you witnessed. This book was written before wagons, cars, the lightbulb, the internet, the telephone, musket, petticoats, and etc. This book cannot answer complex scientific and biological questions. This same book thought blindness came from the sins of the parents passed down. Then cured it with dirt and spit. So, I am not surprised with people like Rashad or Xiala said such inane and nonsensical things, while actually BELIEVING it to be true. To be that sure and self righteous when wrong is a level of arrogance that can lead to doing emotional and mental harm to others. I believe that their ignorance showed. It was loud and clear.
I just want you to know that you guys did amazing. Even through Jubilees edit, you still came across as very eloquent, very educated and very loving people
Big virtual hug for Abigail! I felt so bad for her during the debate. She dealt with the cruelty in a poised and respectful way even though she didn’t have to. The strength is admirable 🖤
As a queer person who recently began the journey of giving up my faith due to years of trauma, I really feel like God showed me this for a reason. I started crying at the closing statements and really feeling overwhelmed with God's love for the first time in so long. It's such an important message that you can live an actively queer life and still be christian. Thank you so much for helping renew my strength, and reminding me why I fight so hard to stay and educate younger generations.
I’m glad you made the decision to follow God and to seek Him. That’s a big step. But I’m sorry, but you cannot live a queer life and be Christian I’m afraid. There are multiple instances in the Word that states that, for instance, 1 Corinthians 6:9. Notice the passage states that certain behaviors will bar us from the kingdom and homosexual is one of them. But there is hope as being washed in the blood of Jesus Christ takes away sin. But notice it says, “as you were” meaning turning from the sin is necessary for salvation. That’s not to say some of the fleshly desires won’t be there to wrestle with. I know I do. But when that happens we need to lean on Christ for strength and seek forgiveness when we fall. I wish for peace and the love of God upon you.
Amennnn preach!!i love that this is said lovingly, i finally opened my eyes. thanks to the lord, i didn't have anyone to tell me it was wrong but God himself showed me the way and unclouded my mind from the "lgbtq fam. Thanks to that i am born again. and yes people can change . i dont believe anyone was born that way but again everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and feelings too. all we can do is say what is in the Word of God and hope people eventually listen@@shawnboahene5231
@@shawnboahene5231Stop playing God. You are man, you cannot tell someone who they can and can’t be. God is the final judge, you should do your part by being loving thy neighbor and stop putting fear into others.
@shawnboahene5231 it sounds to me like the peace and love of God you wish upon this individual was actually already at work, because clearly God was working through His chosen means and in His timing. God is enough for us: to convict us, to lead us into the love and repentance that He leads us to, which may not be what or how you imagine it for someone else. Or frankly for yourself. There is no fear in love. And it is God's loving kindness that leads us to repentance, so let Him deal with each of His own children. He doesn't need our interference or interruption. Pray for your brother/sister if you feel so led. But we should not try to play God when clearly He is already working, in the lives that He knows intimately, in the people He has knit together in the womb that neither you nor I know anything about.
i feel like casual homophobia and transphobia has increased so much in social media, so thank you for this. just watching you guys exist and debate the other side made me feel so seen and valid, thank you. i wish i had watched this as a teen.
Well when ppl like so called ‘non binaries’ or worse the sexual festishists are out here demanding everyone compels their speech or they are bigots, is it really transphobia? Or just that most ppl dislike stupid facism? The genuine ppl who are actually tempted by homosexual attraction without wanting to be anssociated with promiscuous degeneracy and those who from a young age actually have gender dysphoria are who I feel bad for as they must find the world full of fakes who don’t actually represent them
8:45 yess I noticed immediately that Abigail didn't hug everyone on the other side and I thought yes! as she should because the way some of them were downright denying her experiences and identity was disgusting; and not just the denial, the utter disrespect and name-calling! Also wanted to say in this same comment that I loved how well all of you handled the situation and kept your cool, bringing well-thought-out and supported arguments despite the opposing team's utter ignorance. Gilbert you are so inspiring, just subscribed :))
I'm very happy to have found your response to this honeslty kind of traumatizing Jubilee panel. I am the mother to a little girl who recently confessed to me that she has a crush on her best friend and think she's in love with her. I honestly saw that coming and showered my precious baby girl with all the love in the world and of course am on a journey of learning how to help her in a world who my not see her as the wonderful human being she is. To hear and see people say such terrible things to all of you, especially ex-LGBTW people made me so terribly sad. I never want my child to have someone tell her she is possessed by a demon or that her love for someone causes disease and disaster. At least, I know I can find people to surround her with love if she ever needs it from others than her family.
You are a phenomenal mother!! I’m so grateful your daughter has you. In the description box, I have put some LGBTQ Christian resources! I’m so encouraged to hear how much you love your daughter and the lengths in which you are willing to go to support her!
the LGBTQIA+ community will ALWAYS support our youth. no matter wat !!! i love tht she had the courage and strength to come to you and tell you about those feelings she was having. tht must mean you are doing something right. i commend her for her bravery and you mom for your true unconditional love.
I am so happy to see LGBTQ Christians and of course hear the voice of an Intersex person. I feel like it helps me heal to know that there are Christians out there who have my back. There was one Pride celebration where I saw LGBT-supportive Christian groups holding signs that are asking for apology that the church pushed us away. They also offered free hugs and they tell you how much they love you. I really teared up because I haven't gone to church for a long time because I have always felt that people inside don't want me there.
omg, llevo media hora del middle ground y tuve que PARAR antes de terminarlo, demasiado odio pasivo agresivo enmascarado por la religión, admiro a cada uno de ustedes por aguantar tanto, en especial Abigail, gracias por alzar sus voces sin ser irrespetuosos o lo que *la gente* quiere que seamos!! lov u guys
First of all I have to say such a well put together video Gilbert! I loved every second. I also want to mention how important this video is due to how much content was cut from the original Jubilee debate. Seeing you 4 go in depth about these topics from different experiences and viewpoints was truly amazing, and you 4 have inspired me so much. All love ❤
As a Muslim LGBTQ individual I think you all are such beautiful human beings and I resonated with almost everything you guys said and stand for. Wish you the best guys!
A perfect example of the problem with a series like “Middle Ground.” There is no middle ground when it comes to human rights like this. You’re either for or against it. If you’re against it, you’re directly disrespecting, denying, even down right dehumanizing others. Jubilee doesn’t see that though. They see profit. They see money. They see views. And what gets views? Drama! They purposely continue to bring in people who bring the drama by spreading misinformation and disinformation and straight up attack others. And from what I’ve seen (like you guys touched on) they never seem to stop these people whenever they get off topic or break the rules or spread misinformation, it’s always the people trying to correct the misinformation and blatant lies. It’s not as fair and balanced as they try to make it seem. For a channel like Jubilee to let all that go pretty much unchecked for the sake of “finding a middle ground” is just disgusting to me. “Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.” (Eli Wiesel)
It was interesting when Rashad was referring homosexuality as a demonic spirit. So like, as a gay Christian myself, I have a demonic spirit in me who believes in the Jesus Christ and try to do good? Because if that’s the case everyone need a demonic homosexual spirit. The world would finally be at peace 😂🤷
Saying you are a gay Christian is just like saying you are a murdering Christian, or a gRaping Christian, or a lying Christian. Christians are set apart from the evil temptations of the flesh.
@@estevanr10I think it is fascinating how you land upon this video, read the comments, and proceed to say this. The amount of effort to be hateful towards someone who actually believes in Christianity and this is how you act? If anything you are shunning people to move away from God and I do not think the Lord would appreciate this😂 However, I won’t be a decider and say where you will end up (because that is not my place nor anyone else’s but God) but shunning someone because of their sexuality actually produces absolutely nothing. They say love thy neighbor and if you think you can bully or criticize someone’s way of life as a form of “solving” things … it doesn’t work. People are out and gayer than ever 🏳️🌈
@@luckpharaoh8272 I can love you and tell you the truth. I find it fascinating how The Lord tell us to go out and teach the gospel(not what makes you feel good and happy) His Word is truth and there is no way around it. How can you say living in sin is ok and God will allow you to live in His glory? That is false and I don't want anyone to go to hell but if you don't want to listen to the truth because your wittle feelwing will get hurt. That a you problem and you need to fix that. If you think me saying seek The Lord, deny yourself (like Jesus said) and follow Him, is hateful I don't really care because it is true and if you want to continue in sin do it but know only hell awaits. And yes God will do the judging but He does tell us to go out and warn. So again I will say there is no gay christans just like there is no murdering christians, just like there is no pedo christians.
Thank you for the nice follow up. It's always great to hear from others who have their head on straight when it comes to these issues. Part of the problem is education, and I appreciate anyone willing to help educate the world.
I'm here straight from the Jubilee video. It just makes me sad that they live in such an alternate reality, especially Rashad. I saw his instagram post where he married a woman, and there's just so much self-hatred you can see it oozing out of him. Then more mischievous groups use him as a poster child for certain far-right political movements, and it bubbles up from there.
I went to multiple churches of various denominations. Baptist, Evangelical, Lutheran, non-denominational. And every single one of them had a pastor or music leader have an "affair" with a minor. Police were never called and the offending church leader was fired or asked to step down. My brother, who was a youth pastor, married a minor (one of his students) and I was coerced to sign a purity contract (e: I was 14 years old and had to wear a wedding ring as proof). Lgbtq+ are not the groomers here.
hey I just wanted to say as a younger atheist queer person, it has been so incredibly healing to listen to this video. I had no idea how much I needed to hear this. Thank you.
My friend, I am so sorry! That is NOT the heart of God! Please see the LGBTQ/Gay Christian resources in the description of this video! I hope it will bring peace to you!
This episode was insane - i was so mad that Abigal's existence was completely denied right in front of her! And the unaffirming "all lgbtq people are going to h3ll" was so disheartening to me. As a genderqueer intersex christian, I was so grateful to see Abigail bringing the representation! (Especially since intersex people are left outof conversations about gender) So glad I found your channel Gilbert after the jubilee video, and thank you Gilbert, Candice, and Brandon for being such incredibly strong queer christian representation that needs to be heard 🔥 y'all are such lights in the world for showing up as your authentic selves and I felt so seen with all 4 of you in the episode ❤💛✨️🌈
You guys have all made a proud gay of me. I often hate debating, Its too stressful; but hearing those ex gay younger guys’ remarks lit a fire in me, (most notably from Rashad). These are the types of ideals that make me so hesitant to converse with or honor the Christian lifestyle. This debate (I think) shed light on how (in)efficient this form of brainwashing is and how detrimental it is to future generations, and their own progression.
Atheist and anti-theist here but I gave great respect for all of you regardless of your beliefs. I was really shocked when they all stepped forward for the prompt that LGBTQ individuals are destined for hell. I cannot understand how someone should be tormented for all eternity simply for being different. I heard no justification from any of the so-called “ex-LGBTQ” individuals other than the bible says so. That tells me that they have given up on thinking for themselves when it comes to morality. And when they denied Abigail for who she is, I was pissed. Regardless, I have mad respect for all 4 of you. You all kept your cool, you stayed rational, and you stayed civil to the best of your abilities, something I would not be able to do in that kind of setting as an LGBTQ individual myself. Great job guys!
as a christian i’m sorry other christian’s called you names and were mean to yall, yall didn’t desver that at all and i wish i could give all of yall a hug i wish more people would be open minded and more understanding and loving towards others. yall don’t deserve to be attacked like that for simply being who you are but i hope yall are feeling better and please don’t stop being yourself so love all of y’all’s energy btw yall are beautiful people 🥹🫶🏼
This needs to stop as a Christian this or that. Don't apologize. It was a conversation views will be shared. These are people who walked similar lifestyles. Stop this as christian thing.
I am a Fundamental Bible believing Christian...however I have enjoyed you guys. WHAT MAKES ME ANGRY 😡 IS ANYONE SAYING GAY PPL ARE GOING TO HELL. THERE WILL BE JUST AS MANY HETEROSEXUAL PPL IN HELL AS GAY PPL, SEXUAL PREFERENCE DOES NOT SEND YPU TO HELL! Don't get me wrong I don't share most of your beliefs but if you are a true Christian then that makes yall my brothers&sisters. #1- no one other than God&the person knows if they have been saved so anyone who says someone is going to hell are claiming God status and should social media down & work on their problem I would call pride if I were giving advice! #2- sexuality does not send you directly to hell...what I get from the Bible is that ALL SINS lead to death&or separation from God. I am pretty strict with my beliefs, yet I thank you all for helping me understand where you each are coming from&I've definitely learned a lot&I'm trying to be a true Christ follower & part of that is love my neighbor &i genuinely am glad I've gotten to learn about my family in Christ! Keep it up for God in everything you do! Love&kisses to you all!!!❤❤❤😊
Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but kisses from an enemy are deceitful. Proverbs 27:6. Some of the Christian’s weren’t just repeating what a pastor told them, they were quoting the Bible itself. If you do not believe the Bible is the infallible Word of the living God, then it makes total sense why you guys felt like you couldn’t even make any progress in the debate. Your version of the truth doesn’t line up with the truth of the Word. Glad everyone was able to come together to at least speak on this topic.
I always love getting to hear the cast of Jubilee episodes talk about it after, because it's known they cut out a shit ton (even though people would watch it still if it was longer). I assumed Jubilee let everyone know it would be a religious based debate, but it sounds like they didn't. Also the grey shirt guy came off as young, naive, and uneducated the entire time. It's interesting to learn how young he actually is. It also feels like new Christians are always so much more abrasive and unyielding to any type of differing opinions than those who have settled into religion for a long time. I also agree they were acting as representatives rather than just people. It tells me that they aren't entirely settled into their opinions (mainly grey shirt guy).
@abigail: You have such a beautiful soul-- I am blown away by your kind, kind, very patient (when others interrupt you) and mature communication... by your openness and humility. To me, you exemplify what fundamentally religious people are preaching they are striving to be. Interesting. I appreciate each person on this panel-- I hope this Jubilee episode brings more authentic kindness and care and neighborly love into the world.
you all are a great example of love and compassion! I loved how you all handled things in the jubilee video and also I enjoyed listening more from all of you in this video! From a woman who has an attraction for both women and men and, believes in God!
Rashad said that Abigail was his friend and that he had love for her after he said she was going to be damned. If you see someone as your friend you don’t deny their existence or say their going to hell
I watched the debate. As a Christian I agree with what they said for the most part. I think there’s a better way to deliver the message. LGBTQ or any human on the planet bound to hell. There’s nothing to be offended by that. We are all headed there. Being a heterosexual doesn’t gives a ticket to heaven. The only way anyone can be in heaven is repent and to believe that Jesus is her or his savior.
You can definitely say they’re going to hell but denying their existence is crazy. You can’t say they’re going to hell multiple times but if it comes up it’s understandable. I’m not a Christian and I’ve definitely been told that I’m going to hell by those close to me. In their religion they’re probably right. I wish that they spoke more about how things were misinterpreted because the main reason that I’m not a Christian is bc I read that cross dressing and being a homo is an abomination.
@@pebblesq2010 what a terrible way to live life. It’s especially disgusting that they tell small children they’re going to go to hell unless they believe what they tell them. This is a belief and not a fact, there’s no reason for anyone tell another person they’re going to hell just for being who they are.
@@betteryourlife865 their words may seem too strong. In reality, everyone deserves hell because -- Romans 3:23 NIV [23] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. “ Not to single out homosexual but also heterosexual - humankind. Jubilee’s question may have put them in a spot. There are questions that can’t be answered as simple as yes or no. But in spite of that news There’s good news - God loves us so much “Jesus dies for us and gives us eternal life” John 3:16 NIV
@@betteryourlife865it is a belief and a fact. If you study the scripture, it’s history and writings that speaks about Jesus’ miracles, his life. There was hundreds of witnesses of his resurrection.
It was frustrating to see the Jubilee crew not step in and bring the conversation back to the prompt like they’ve done with other Middle Ground Videos. I was glad to see your group stand up for LGBTQ+ people especially since some of y’all are also religious. As someone who is still struggling to find my identity as either bi or pan (I was raised religious but am not now) I am glad people like y’all are here to listen and be kind.
the ex-lgbt group was so saddening to listen to… their arguments were based with internalized homophobia/transphobia. i hope they will take the time to evolve their perception of the world or what christianity truly is
This is for the blonde who said the gates of heaven were wide in the debate. Matthew 7:13-14 13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Thank you for this post. It took me two days to watch in full what Jubilee posted. I had to pause walk away from it several times just because of how offensive and triggering certain comments were. Thank you for representing and thank you for sharing.
i am not sure if i am going to find the right words, but here it goes: i started watching the jubilee video late at night. not the best selfcare practice for an ex-catholic bisexual. i am so grateful for all of your work and agree that you make a wonderful team. Gilbert, your way of clearly building community whereever you go is heartwarming and makes me so hopeful. thank you for being your fabulous self and never stop snapping! Candice, whenever you spoke i felt this wonderful hug of acceptance. you were literally a rainbow of softness, vulnerabitlty & fierceness. i wanted to jump through my screen when people questioned your personal relationship to god. and i LOVED the way you set boundaries. there was this little child inside of me that thought: oh wow, when i grow up i wanna be like that! Brandan, i admire your clarity and i am deeply thankful for your knowledge and consistency in pushing a queer perspective on bible studies. every time you made clear that there was no "healing" homosexuality and pressed them on being truthful made me feel seen and calmer. Abigail, oh, i think i wouldn't have made it through the jubilee video without the shade! thank you so much for all your facial expressions and representing the intersex community. i cannot wait to hear more of your story! **thanks for making spiritually healing content that matters!**
Just seen rashads wedding pictures and you can just tell he is not being honest with himself. I feel so bad for his wife . They should’ve got ex LGBTQ people who were not religious. These people can’t think without the Bible. I just wanted to hear from THEM and not what God says.
Rashad is just one of thousands of people that have had homosexual experiences and later turned around and married the opposite sex. Why is it difficult for you to accept that people can switch sides not only for religious reasons but because they may end up in love with someone of the opposite sex? If it's not true for you, it is true for others. There are people who have not returned to the gay lifestyle. Once gay alway gay and once a playa always a playa is an agenda to make people stuck and not see any possibilities of living a lifestyle other than the gay lifestyle.
I want to go to Abigail’s drag show! I want to attend Brandan’s church. I want Candice to be my therapist! And I want to singgg with Gilbert ! My four faves 🥹🥰
I’ve only now come across you and I have thoughts… firstly I love how hard you are defending Abigail that truly lets me know you mean it when you say spread love. But second and most importantly I left the church bc of the harmful hateful things they said and thought about the LGBT community. I was an avid Christian and went to church camp every year. One year this pastor comes in and tells us his dad came out as gay and that made him soften his ideals but still thought he should never act upon his sexuality bc it’s a sin. After that it was downhill and it was everywhere I couldn’t escape it and knowing I was bi from a young age without knowing a label made that really hard bc I knew the second I labeled myself I’d be shunned and I was. And it never made sense bc my whole life I thought and still do think that being a Christian is about love loving yourself and loving those around you creating space where struggles aren’t as hard bc you have a community to fall back on. And leave the judgement to god bc that is and never will be a fallible humans job. So hearing not one but 3 Christian openly gay people pastors even makes me want to sob. The heartbreak the church put me and so many others through us insane and I just want to thank you for showing the world you don’t have to be hateful to be a Christian you don’t have to be straight to be a Christian thank you ❤
My heart is about to explode reading such a generous and vulnerable message. I am almost at a loss for words. I can't express how grateful I am for you taking the time to write this! Is it Autume? Thank you for sharing your story, so vulnerably and honestly. That was super bold and brave and I am so sorry for your experience with the Church. All of us on the LGBTQ side of this issue can definitely relate to you. Thank YOU so much!!
I'm so glad that I read the comments in the Jubilee video to find this video. You all have opened a part of my spiritual brain and provided knowledge that I never heard at my family's church and the church that I grew up in. I'm definitely using James 3:1 whenever they try to teach me about LGBTQ+ "bible quotes" or any type of hatred that is "said in the Bible" from now on!
I give sooo much praise to Abigail for opening up about her trauma, especially on a platform as big as jubilee, and I admire her so much for her strength throughout all of this ❤
Absolutely LOVED this conversation from top to bottom! ❤ Like Abigail’s in her closing remarks, if definitely felt a genuine love across the board. It was beautiful to see that kind of authenticity.
The fact that they really made it look like YOU GUYS were the ones who lacked biblical knowledge makes me mad... Horrible choices for this episode made on behalf of jubilee
I really love and appreciate all of you. You all did a fantastic job during the "debate" and i felt very well represented. I am no longer religious, but i still felt a strong connection to you all. Thanks for what you all did. ❤️ 😘
I personally see the first promt as. If you claim to be an ex-gay that would mean that youre either still gay tho or that you were never gay to begin with. And that would mean that you could neither call yourself an ex-gay nor speak on gay issues. When I first started figuring out my sexuality I thought I was a lesbian. I identified as one for like a year. But I figured out that Im actually not. And thats totally fine. But you do not see me talking about lesbian issues simply because I never was one. Anyways Im glad that you guys got together to talk about the video!! It was really cool and interesting to watch :)
First have to say that I'm a gay cis man so context/perspective on my comment. I watched the original video yesterday and was appalled the comments from the ex-LGBTQ side Rashad, Samuel, and most especially Xiala and even more so on the prompt about LGBTQ people not going to heaven knowing all too well that Abigail was in the room. I think your statement to them when you joined for the full panel discussion hit the nail on the head. Team LGBTQ was very articulate in their message and 99% of what I heard coming from the ex side was regurgitation of crap we hear all the time from the anti-LGBTQ side. As an agnostic, using the Bible or any other religious stance on being anti-LGBTQ is pointless. My feeling is YOUR God may be right for YOU but that doesn't mean YOUR God dictates MY life nor anyone else who doesn't believe in YOUR God. You live your life according to how your religion says but don't tell others what they can or cannot do simply because of your choice in religions. I think each of you (Candice, Abigail, Brandan and you GIlbert) are highly intelligent, compassionate, and caring individuals. I am happy to have got this as a recommended video to watch. And Brandan if you're reading this and looking for a slightly older than you bear living in California, feel free to slide into my DMs ;-) .... oh I hope the humor in that statement comes through on the interwebs
I’m surprised they couldn’t get a detransitioner, because they usually have opinions that go outside of “finding god” onto why they decided to stopped transitioning. i loved the lgbtq side of the panel, the ex-lgbtq side were mirrors of each other. there’s non-religious reasons onto why people go from lgbtq to not anymore.
That definitely would have been welcomed, at least from me. I do support de-transitioners, in general. That is different than misleading others about orientation, in my opinion.
Oh I am so happy I found this recap. First time on the channel, bless the algorithm for knowing I needed to see this. Also, Side note, Abigail looks kinda like Lana Del Rey. Slay.
moderators in jubilee videos are always so biased from what i heard. like countless times have people who were on middle ground episodes come out and talk about the unpreparedness or the amount of things they cut out important parts of the episode
1:20:45 Yes! Completely agree! And I've heard this many, many times- drag was done throughout history! Back when women weren't allowed to leave the home, theatrical performances still had to be performed. So who else would perform them? The men! The men would play many, many roles INCLUDING FEMALE ROLES. Many Chinese opera shows were all men. Men would play male *and* female roles. Drag has been and still is an art.
Words can not express how absolutely reassuring it is to have the four of you on this podcast as well as in the Jubilee video. I am just enraptured in so much love and healing from all of you. As an eclectic spiritual person who was raised Chrisitan, I knew that my spiritual journey of self-discovery would evolve and enlarge my perception of our worlds detailed nuances and possibilities. This also coincided with my understanding of my sexual orientation as well as others who either share or relate to similar experiences. Who and what we are composed of are only one of many constellations of our inner being. You all share this pure intuitive essence of understanding within yourselves that shines gloriously, and that is both nourishing and empowering. Please continue speaking truth and bringing enlightenment. It is essential for growth and understanding 😊☀!
When ya'll were mentioning about how being prideful for being Christian somewhere around the 1:06:51 mark, I often hear from many ex-LGBT/homophobic individuals/groups that they say "well it's different with religion" and I feel like based on what I saw in the Jubilee video, it might have been the case with some of the ex-LGBT members side- particularly that one individual. I'm in no way religious, if anything I'd have to say I'm Agnostic. But isn't the sin of pride often referred to in religion moreso in the context of being prideful in a way that puts others down? Being prideful in the way of celebrating Gay Pride puts no one down. It's a happy event that *we can* celebrate because it was not possible pre-Stonewall.
All of you are such beautiful people inside & out! ❤️ watching this was so comforting as someone who deals/dealt with a lot of religious trauma. I’m a very spiritual person and have grown a lot throughout the years doing tons of self work. I truly want to do all I can on this earth to make the human experience as best and beautiful as possible for myself and others. What makes it possible for me is finding the best/beauty in others and everything. however, one part that I’ve yet to overcome if I’m following that, is the way I perceive religion. After lots of conversations I’ve had with myself, I truthfully believe I will never partake in religion at any point of my life. Part of it being that during my time in a church, they really did believe and think of the lgbt community as something demonic, along with so much other extremist shit. I was forced to go against my will by my parent & because of it, something I struggle in is seeing any beauty and understanding to other Christians. It’s gotten better because of lovely people like you but for the longest I would get irrationally angry whenever someone would bring up religion. Watching this conversation is healing that. The world needs more people like you all. & although you are all beautiful and wonderful, I will say I’m biased to Abigail being the mostest! hehehe. what a sweetie pie. 🥹🫶🏽
Also, Gilbert you are so charasmatic & asked such good thoughtful question. I loved hearing everyone’s perspectives. I didn’t know of you before this but I’m glad I do now; ya girl is subscribing. there needs to be more latinx content creators like you! you feel like a family member I wish I had ❤
I'm not the best Christian in the world so I do not know if some "sins" are actually seen as worse than others (in the eyes of God), but I do know that all can be forgiven if we ask. As people, we don't view all sins as equal, we see murder as worse than pre-marital sex but the reality is that they are both sins. Therefore, I think the "middle ground" that was missed during this debate was pointing out that straight people sin undoubtedly sin just as much as LGBTQ+ people, but theoretically (bc Ik as a Christian, I won't be one to judge) anyone that lives a life of sin, whether it be stealing, pre-marital sex, infedelity, etc. and never asks for forgiveness and promotes the lifestyle will go to Hell (theoretically).
The question then becomes, is the temptation to commit a homosexual sex a sin, and does the temptation alone make you LQBTQ? Is it only a sin if you act on it? And is it even a sin at all? Another question is does the temptation to commit LQBTQ+ acts make you LGBTQ? If so, would the temptation to steal or cheat make you a theif or Aldultrer? Point is that the whole debate hangs on whether committing homosexual acts is a sin.
What are your thoughts? Excited to hear! ❤
Hey Gilbert and to everyone on the LGBTQIA+ side of the debate from Jubilee. I watched the Middle Ground video and straight from the comment section there saw you were doing a wrap up video and I'm glad that there were points cleared up and some more light brought from your guy's perspective. I too am part of the LGBTQ+ (Bi & Genderfluid) and of Christian faith so being able to relate to you guys and see the empathy and compassion extended to the EX's just puts a little more hope in my heart that there's others out there.
I do want to bring up the point regarding that there's a small percentage of people who are Intersex and/or who fall under the umbrella but there is a prime example from my country. I'm from South Africa and there is a famous Olympic gold medalist sports woman Caster Semenya who falls under the Intersex umbrella (I think her condition is DSD- differences in sex development; go do more research on her, her journey is really eye-opening). Because she has a typically higher testosterone level of someone who falls under the male standard, people keep on trying to disprove that the fact that she identifies as a woman and has to continually fight the World's Athletics Association to continue to let her race in women's events or even just be counted in the records.
Seeing people not validate her and Abigail's experiences break my heart since Caster really had the potential to be something great but has to continue to prove her existence to everyone just to be validated as an athlete. So to anyone who's reading this, you were made in the image of God and you are a beautifully woven diverse multi-layered painting of a human being. Your existence alone is validated and no one else can take that away from you :)
omg gilber i love you go much, you ate and gagged then i lovee you queens!!!
I’m not Christian, I’m spiritual. And I just subscribed because I could literally feel the love you have through my screen, and love is the highest vibration, higher and bigger than any religious orientation. Thank you guys for such beautiful,warm, loving but also knowledgeable energy🫶🏾. Wishing you all the best♥️.
do you guys have a discord server that you guys do debated on or maybe just a server for the community maybe?
All of you are fake Christians spreading falsehoods about the Bible we Christians are meant to preach. The Bible is the authority. Stop trying to justify your sins. it's a sin
I can’t imagine having to hug someone after they say you cause natural disasters.
You all showed strength and poise
they are weird. if we have the power, shouldnt they be afraid of us instead? lmao.
@@RonLarhz maybe that’s the “phobia” in homophobia 😂😂😂
It's the truth
.I laughed so hard at that.. that was too crazy to even being taken seriously.. lol
No it's not@@estevanr10
Honestly I felt like Rashad’s animosity toward Abigail stemmed from being unable to dispute or invalidate her experience. He couldn’t reject that she literally exists or claim that it was a product of her own/another person’s doing, so that frustration led to the aggressive behavior we see in the video.
Cognitive dissonance lol I hate religion bc of this, it's so fucked up to lead someone to think a way that constantly runs into logical fallacies and circular logic making it the only way to make it make any scrap of sense
In the beginning he said he used to “dress up as a woman”. I think he struggles with his own gender identity and he hates that part of himself, so he had extra smoke for Abigail because she reminded him of the most sensitive aspect of his own identity. He was projecting and it was horrific to witness. Abigail is such a sweetie.
He is just uneducated plus he shut down his brain from thinking for abd about himself. How robotically was he reciting the Bible. It was creepy
I definitely feel like we should’ve heard more about people’s actual stories. In past middle grounds, there would be solo interview shots were people gave a brief description of their background.
I wanted to hear more about Rashad’s struggles with gender because I have heard of some ex-trans people who turned away from being trans for religion
As a trans person I was so appreciative of Abigail and all the stuff she went through on that panel in order to give some good representation and stand up for the gender side of things. She really didn't deserve any of what was said to her and I wish Jubilee protected her better from blatantly having her person attacked.
It's different tho, just as non-binary isn't trans etc. It made no sense for her to be there. Being a hermaphrodite doesn't change the fact you have XX or XY chromosomes. Trans people transition it's completely different and it confused my own intersex friend why she4 was there in the first place as they don't want to be lumped into a queer category whatsoever.
Can I just say that I actually love the dramatic intro.
Hahahahah I’m so glad!! Lol 🙏🏼❤️
@@GilbertGTV as a real gay man it's time you wake up the the more sinister homophobia which is TQ+ what the heck is the plus it's literally straight men and women with fetishes and have hijacked gay/lesbian rights wake up please.
As a Christian I was SO MAD at the other side. They were painting you as the devil, having no personal thoughts, was not treating Abigail as a human being and the fact that they CLAIMED TO KNOW who goes to heaven and hell. I am just mad and sad for them at the same time and wish they gonna grow a lot as kind, open and respectful people. I am just here to let you know. Even as a Christian I did see all of those things too
I’m sorry if Christians appear to be judgmental on this issue, which we sometimes can be. No one deserves to be demonized for that. However, the brass tax is, is homosexuality a sin. According to the Bible it is and as such homosexuals are living in opposition to God’s will. 1 Corinthians 6:9 states the consequence for such actions but also note that it’s not just homosexuality but all manner of sin. That is why we need to warn others to turn from it
@@shawnboahene5231im so done with the types of people with you basing your sins off a book that has no proof at all. when will people see the truth of life without it including to the side of the bible or religions? i need to tell to people that there's more life than bible or god himself, please get a life and ignore all of those false claiming to preach for a god we don't even know to exist.
well do you read your bible?...
@@shawnboahene5231oh my God…how many times will yall quote this verse ? SHUT UP
@@folubtwnothing wrong with being a decent human being.
the jubilee video made me cry. the careless remarks, blatant disrespect…. i don’t understand how these people can be so harsh. thank you guys for opening up even more about the conversation, the editing for the debate wasn’t the best in my opinion.
As a Christian, I apologize on the behalf of other Christians who attack anybody. Even if they disagree, nobody should be attacked or called names. This is not who we are. We are called to love one another. I am tired of the Western division on all these social issues, I want us to live in peace. God Bless Everyone.
God bless you sister ❤
don't apologise for others appalling behaviour
@@BlueIvory4 God Bless You Too
@@snogfesthosebeast you’re right in a sense where I am not personally responsible, but I feel the need to say this because of the division going on and this misconception about Christian or other religious groups
This is the reason christianity isn't taken seriously and islam is. You'll never see a muslim apologizing for truly believing the doctrine. If something is haram it is haram. If something is a sin, it is a sin. A person doesn't hate the sinner they hate the sin and should call out the sin and make no excuses for it. It is what it is. The judgement is left to God but calling it out is just stating a fact. If the person feels shame for their sin, then it is on them to repent. That shame is the feeling of truth because they know in their hearts what sin is.
I just finished watching that episode as a gay person growing up in a church brought me back a lot of traumatic memories
Same… I went to both church constantly AND Christian school. As early as 9 I would pray and pray & pray some more to be “normal” or “lord please take this away I don’t want to feel like this” and those prayers weren’t answered because God has always loved and accepted me as I was/am. And today at 25 I am very proud and accepting of myself and my bisexuality… it makes me so so sad to see other queer people self-loathing & terrified of “going to hell” or disappointing god. It’s truly self hatred and I pray they accept themselves one day. Fully.
@@DesireeJ007 same, double wammy here with Christian school and church too, my family was Pentecostal most at school were Anglican or Reformed, so we were the wrong type of Christian at school and too Christian everywhere else, very very traumatic upbringing around those things. I remember being very young and having a breakdown/meltdown about not wanting to go to hell. Not sure like... where those thoughts came from at the time.
@@titaniascarletknight our stories seem very similar. I was also terrified of god not loving me/me going to hell if I ever decided I wanted to date a girl or something. Plus having school/church/home life speaking hatefully about homosexuality made it all the worse. The words were so crazy hurtful and I was just a kid who was already so sad about being “different” and couldn’t “pray away the gay”. It’s a miserable existence to deny who you are, and once I decided to accept myself my relationship with god & church thrived. He truly is LOVE. not some dictator as these people are trying to make him seem. Also it’s interesting to me how none of them made the point of no longer being attracted to the same sex, just that they were good at denying their existence and living unhappy lives in the name of god, the Old Testament and Christianity.
@@DesireeJ007I remember the same thing vividly, but for me I was praying for God to take away my attraction/lust for girls. I was abt 13yrs old at a church camp and there was a couple girls wearing yoga pants right in front of me. I kept begging God "PLEASE, when I open my eyes let me be able to look at these girls, not be immediately drawn to their ass, and not feel the desire to have sex w/them" I'd open my eyes, then immediately go back to praying hoping that if I begged hard enough, one of the next times I'd open my eyes, I would no longer be tempted to sin. It didn't work. I'm a guy btw so if I acted and succeeded my sin would be premarital sex, but sin is sin.
This recap was perfect timing after the Jubilee discussion. I really feel badly about how Abigail was attacked. I’m glad you all were able to support each other.
Gilbert...love love LOVED the way you and the team handled them on that panel. As a black transwoman who was raised christian, the video triggered so many trauma experiences I had in the past. It was crazy. Especially from one specific panelist.
Rashad even mentioned having personally experienced some gender stuff, i really hope rashad finds healing and peace and can live in the truth of who rashad is
@raekarkoc928 Rashad was the panelist I was talking about. He's so hostile to LGBTQ+ individuals that it's obvious he's currently fighting with his identify and sexuality.
@salemkittenkat are you still Christian just wondering?
extremely needed conclusion to such an uneasy debate - lovely, diverse and eloquent group of people who actually had experience and knowledge to back their arguments up. Thank you all❤
am I the only one that thinks Abigail looks like Lana Del Rey???? its uncanny
she does!!! she's so pretty my jaw literally dropped when i saw her
i was thinking about Jennifer Lawrence lol
As someone who isn’t involved in any religion, Abigail’s closing remarks about your group’s love is the closest thing she felt to godly love in many years made me tear up.
HOW DRAMATIC IS THIS INTRO LMAOOOO
Why does it feel like a whole damn Marvel Trailer lool
Hahahah 🙈🙈 ❤❤
The other side “yeah I’m still gay but I’m basically DL for God” is the perfect way to sum up their logic I’m sorry it’s just true
nailed it LMAO
@@XtaviusOfficial YASSS honey, and the monicker ex-LGBTQIA+ is a misnomer
DL meaning?
@@user-oh6wb5rj2q means DOWN-LOW, “straight” men who are secretly hooking up with other men
@@user-oh6wb5rj2qdown low, usually it’s bi/gay dudes who are in the closet that say they’re on the down low (DL) when they secretly hook up with other dudes
I feel so incredibly sad for the ex-LGBTQ. They don't realize it but they are victims of extreme social pressure and programing to the point that they deny fundamental parts of themselves. At one point, I was in a similar place but luckily I'm no longer in that sad, painful place. I hope one day they can accept who they are and be proud of that.
The same can be said for the other direction
@@Jkila25could you explain?
So deviant sexual desires are a fundamental part of someone? But only some people? Or all people? All perverts or some perverts?
@@EPICSportsMoments4u well not because homosexuality isn’t deviant behavior
@@Bussycane there is extreme social pressure to be LGBTQ+ as well. There is denial of how we are fundamentally made to fit the mode of how someone feels. There is programming happening. I don’t believe sexuality has to be an identity. It’s a part of who we are, but it is not who we are.
As a bi Catholic man, the prompt that hurt me the most was the prompt about going to hell. I have loved every one's views here and the reminder of God's love regardless of how we are.
Catholisim is demonic, and you will go to hell if you don't not seek the One True God, God does love us but not as we are we must follow His Word
Y’all did the Lord’s work in the debate. It was incredibly frustrating but y’all kept it watchable. I’m sorry Abigail was attacked and I really appreciated her participation in the discussion.
Hey! I'm curious, the Lord's work? What did they do exactly?
The opposite side was truthful and honest. If they are claiming to be Christians they must live as Jesus lived... Jesus was very brutally honest and was definitely loving, but I do apologize for the behavior of most Christians today who are rude unnecessarily as that isnt the example of Christ. But the truth will not sound nice. We are called to love but we must also be honest.
What did you think about Jesus telling the woman caught in the act of adultery? He said, who condemns you? And she said no one lord. And he proceeded to tell her to go and Sin No more.
Jesus was honest and this side was definitely not honest. They are crucifying Jesus on the cross all over again. 😢...if Jesus had to die for our rebellion we owe our lives to Him in totality, and this includes our sexuality.
Lord's work wait which lord? It can't be the LORD Jesus Christ...
I think it was telling that they are insecure people too especially Gilbert with his anger when the ex lgbt are literally ppl who take gods work literally.. it’s not like they had bad intentions uk?
And same for the counsellor Candice response to Rashad when she got defensive and said he could not quote scripture.. all in all I do wish everyone the best. Life can be tough
@@beingroxythis is exactly right. The LGBTQ people who unashamedly live this way and think they’re going to Heaven are fooling themselves.
Y'all and that bitchy sky man (ー_ー゛)@@sisobanti4946
Just wanted to say, you spoke extremely well on the Jubilee panel, Gilbert! Your points were clear and your logic was airtight. I admire your empathy and your intelligence, sir!
This just made me well up! What a tremendously kind thing to say! I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to come over say express that! You just made my day!!
@@GilbertGTV You are very welcome! You are such a kind soul, Gilbert! 🙏
As an atheist who was brought up w/ no religion forced on me, that debate was so frustrating to watch. Like I don’t care about what the Bible or what Jesus has said, and so the ex-lgbt ppl were basically says nonsense according to my worldview.
Same. I kept waiting for them to dive deeper beyond basic bible knowledge, and it just... Never happened.
I felt exactly the same. Very frustrating to watch.
@@mbt9700it never doessssss its a cult I swear
Tbh atheist have a religion
Exactly! 100% agree...!!!
LGBTQIA+ existence & reality is not dependent on anyone's personal approval, nor is it dependent on anyone's religious beliefs. 👍🏽
i wish i had voices around me like this growing up, it would've saved me from a lot of mental and emotional conflict. we have to keep having these conversations so that the future generations are confident and stand strong in their truth. thank you!!
!! exactly
I appreciate this video so much. I'm a lesbian (who is also a Christian) and I felt that in Jubilee's video the LGBTQIA+ side was not well respected. Rashad took it way too far in multiple instances and wasn't stopped by the Jubilee team, and that disgusts me. The "ex" LGBTQIA+ side is preaching hate, not the Word of God. Much love to you Gilbert, Abigail, Brandan, and Candice. 💞💞
As a bi Christian, it’s so beautiful to see other lgbtq Christians out there🥹✝️🏳️🌈
I grew up in the Jehovah's Witnesses. Their homophobia was based on 7 bible passages. That's part of the reason I'm an atheist now.
You're a 🤡
same here 🥲🤍
I'm so glad that you did this recap because after watching your "middle ground" episode I was disturbed. The four of you did a fantastic and important job! Thank you for that! You're a great team! I must say that I'm very worried for Rashad. He seemed totally brainwashed like someone programmed him to very conservative christian. So much damage was done to him. I held my breath several times.
I wanted to state something that I noticed while watching the video. First of all the I would've expected the ex-LBTQIA'ers to be more mature, why did the whole argument have to be a 1 hour discussion about theology. Like what happend to clear science? Of course it's good to discuss both but would've liked to see more of science based evidence. and by the way Xiala was just not making sense to be honest. At 9:21 she said that there are no biological markers, like DNA that can predict homosexuality. The absence of identified biological markers for a particular trait or characteristic doesn't necessarily mean that the trait doesn't exist or that there might not be biological underpinnings. In the case of homosexuality, the absence of specific, identifiable genetic markers or definitive biological indicators doesn't invalidate its existence.
The statement that there are no identified biological markers for homosexuality implies that, as of current understanding, scientists haven't pinpointed a singular genetic or physiological factor that consistently predicts someone's sexual orientation. However, this doesn't discount the potential existence of biological components influencing sexual orientation. It's entirely plausible that there are biological factors contributing to sexual orientation that haven't been fully comprehended or identified yet.
The complexity of human behavior and biology often means that phenomena like sexual orientation might be influenced by a combination of genetic, hormonal, environmental, and developmental factors that are not fully understood. Scientific research on the topic is ongoing, and while current knowledge might not have provided a definitive biological marker, it doesn't negate the lived experiences of individuals or the validity of sexual orientations that don't conform to the heterosexual norm. The absence of specific markers at a given time doesn't preclude the possibility of their discovery or the acknowledgment of underlying biological aspects that contribute to sexual orientation. Also saying gay people are causing earth quakes is just mental asylum type shit. By the way Abigail I have so much respect for you staying calm, when constantly being invalidated.
science and God lowkey contradict alot of things, its like saying yes and no to something at the same time yet the answer is only one? but i mean , opinion. just an opinion
I agree wholeheartedly with what you said. It couldn’t have been said better. I find when one looks in the bible to answer all the questions that they seek, then you will get what you say in that debate. These very same people also used the bible to stifle and limit who they are in the world and how they interact in it. When the bible is used only as your one source of reference, then you will get immaturity that you witnessed. This book was written before wagons, cars, the lightbulb, the internet, the telephone, musket, petticoats, and etc. This book cannot answer complex scientific and biological questions. This same book thought blindness came from the sins of the parents passed down. Then cured it with dirt and spit. So, I am not surprised with people like Rashad or Xiala said such inane and nonsensical things, while actually BELIEVING it to be true. To be that sure and self righteous when wrong is a level of arrogance that can lead to doing emotional and mental harm to others. I believe that their ignorance showed. It was loud and clear.
That last sentence by Brandan in that video was the chef's kiss, summed up everything about the "ex-gay" narrative they tried to spin 🙌
Absolutely agree!
Yes and a lot of people didn’t bring up what Brandon said ! It was an awesome quote at the end
I just want you to know that you guys did amazing. Even through Jubilees edit, you still came across as very eloquent, very educated and very loving people
Big virtual hug for Abigail! I felt so bad for her during the debate. She dealt with the cruelty in a poised and respectful way even though she didn’t have to. The strength is admirable 🖤
As a queer person who recently began the journey of giving up my faith due to years of trauma, I really feel like God showed me this for a reason. I started crying at the closing statements and really feeling overwhelmed with God's love for the first time in so long.
It's such an important message that you can live an actively queer life and still be christian. Thank you so much for helping renew my strength, and reminding me why I fight so hard to stay and educate younger generations.
I’m glad you made the decision to follow God and to seek Him. That’s a big step. But I’m sorry, but you cannot live a queer life and be Christian I’m afraid. There are multiple instances in the Word that states that, for instance, 1 Corinthians 6:9. Notice the passage states that certain behaviors will bar us from the kingdom and homosexual is one of them. But there is hope as being washed in the blood of Jesus Christ takes away sin. But notice it says, “as you were” meaning turning from the sin is necessary for salvation. That’s not to say some of the fleshly desires won’t be there to wrestle with. I know I do. But when that happens we need to lean on Christ for strength and seek forgiveness when we fall. I wish for peace and the love of God upon you.
Amennnn preach!!i love that this is said lovingly, i finally opened my eyes. thanks to the lord, i didn't have anyone to tell me it was wrong but God himself showed me the way and unclouded my mind from the "lgbtq fam. Thanks to that i am born again. and yes people can change . i dont believe anyone was born that way but again everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and feelings too. all we can do is say what is in the Word of God and hope people eventually listen@@shawnboahene5231
@@shawnboahene5231Stop playing God. You are man, you cannot tell someone who they can and can’t be. God is the final judge, you should do your part by being loving thy neighbor and stop putting fear into others.
@shawnboahene5231 it sounds to me like the peace and love of God you wish upon this individual was actually already at work, because clearly God was working through His chosen means and in His timing. God is enough for us: to convict us, to lead us into the love and repentance that He leads us to, which may not be what or how you imagine it for someone else. Or frankly for yourself. There is no fear in love. And it is God's loving kindness that leads us to repentance, so let Him deal with each of His own children. He doesn't need our interference or interruption. Pray for your brother/sister if you feel so led. But we should not try to play God when clearly He is already working, in the lives that He knows intimately, in the people He has knit together in the womb that neither you nor I know anything about.
Just read your comment and just wanted to say I'm thanking God for what he's doing in you. Keep seeking him and responding to his love!
i feel like casual homophobia and transphobia has increased so much in social media, so thank you for this. just watching you guys exist and debate the other side made me feel so seen and valid, thank you. i wish i had watched this as a teen.
Well when ppl like so called ‘non binaries’ or worse the sexual festishists are out here demanding everyone compels their speech or they are bigots, is it really transphobia? Or just that most ppl dislike stupid facism?
The genuine ppl who are actually tempted by homosexual attraction without wanting to be anssociated with promiscuous degeneracy and those who from a young age actually have gender dysphoria are who I feel bad for as they must find the world full of fakes who don’t actually represent them
is it homo to say that it is sin? -.-
8:45 yess I noticed immediately that Abigail didn't hug everyone on the other side and I thought yes! as she should because the way some of them were downright denying her experiences and identity was disgusting; and not just the denial, the utter disrespect and name-calling! Also wanted to say in this same comment that I loved how well all of you handled the situation and kept your cool, bringing well-thought-out and supported arguments despite the opposing team's utter ignorance. Gilbert you are so inspiring, just subscribed :))
I'm very happy to have found your response to this honeslty kind of traumatizing Jubilee panel. I am the mother to a little girl who recently confessed to me that she has a crush on her best friend and think she's in love with her. I honestly saw that coming and showered my precious baby girl with all the love in the world and of course am on a journey of learning how to help her in a world who my not see her as the wonderful human being she is. To hear and see people say such terrible things to all of you, especially ex-LGBTW people made me so terribly sad. I never want my child to have someone tell her she is possessed by a demon or that her love for someone causes disease and disaster. At least, I know I can find people to surround her with love if she ever needs it from others than her family.
You are a phenomenal mother!! I’m so grateful your daughter has you. In the description box, I have put some LGBTQ Christian resources! I’m so encouraged to hear how much you love your daughter and the lengths in which you are willing to go to support her!
the LGBTQIA+ community will ALWAYS support our youth. no matter wat !!! i love tht she had the courage and strength to come to you and tell you about those feelings she was having. tht must mean you are doing something right. i commend her for her bravery and you mom for your true unconditional love.
I am so happy to see LGBTQ Christians and of course hear the voice of an Intersex person.
I feel like it helps me heal to know that there are Christians out there who have my back. There was one Pride celebration where I saw LGBT-supportive Christian groups holding signs that are asking for apology that the church pushed us away. They also offered free hugs and they tell you how much they love you. I really teared up because I haven't gone to church for a long time because I have always felt that people inside don't want me there.
omg, llevo media hora del middle ground y tuve que PARAR antes de terminarlo, demasiado odio pasivo agresivo enmascarado por la religión, admiro a cada uno de ustedes por aguantar tanto, en especial Abigail, gracias por alzar sus voces sin ser irrespetuosos o lo que *la gente* quiere que seamos!! lov u guys
First of all I have to say such a well put together video Gilbert! I loved every second. I also want to mention how important this video is due to how much content was cut from the original Jubilee debate. Seeing you 4 go in depth about these topics from different experiences and viewpoints was truly amazing, and you 4 have inspired me so much. All love ❤
Thank you so much, Max! I super appreciate it so much!
As a Muslim LGBTQ individual I think you all are such beautiful human beings and I resonated with almost everything you guys said and stand for. Wish you the best guys!
Are you aware of the Story of Lut (AS)?
@@TheTrueMonotheist99 yes very well
@@TheTrueMonotheist99😪🥱
Brandon is absolutely right that you all represented your side beautifully and sent a strong message of hope
A perfect example of the problem with a series like “Middle Ground.” There is no middle ground when it comes to human rights like this. You’re either for or against it. If you’re against it, you’re directly disrespecting, denying, even down right dehumanizing others. Jubilee doesn’t see that though. They see profit. They see money. They see views. And what gets views? Drama! They purposely continue to bring in people who bring the drama by spreading misinformation and disinformation and straight up attack others. And from what I’ve seen (like you guys touched on) they never seem to stop these people whenever they get off topic or break the rules or spread misinformation, it’s always the people trying to correct the misinformation and blatant lies. It’s not as fair and balanced as they try to make it seem. For a channel like Jubilee to let all that go pretty much unchecked for the sake of “finding a middle ground” is just disgusting to me. “Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.” (Eli Wiesel)
Great point!
It was interesting when Rashad was referring homosexuality as a demonic spirit.
So like, as a gay Christian myself, I have a demonic spirit in me who believes in the Jesus Christ and try to do good? Because if that’s the case everyone need a demonic homosexual spirit. The world would finally be at peace 😂🤷
James 2:19: “even the demons believe and shudder”
Yes it is a demon so you are not a Christian the Lord know not if you and you will be cast into hell
Saying you are a gay Christian is just like saying you are a murdering Christian, or a gRaping Christian, or a lying Christian. Christians are set apart from the evil temptations of the flesh.
@@estevanr10I think it is fascinating how you land upon this video, read the comments, and proceed to say this. The amount of effort to be hateful towards someone who actually believes in Christianity and this is how you act?
If anything you are shunning people to move away from God and I do not think the Lord would appreciate this😂 However, I won’t be a decider and say where you will end up (because that is not my place nor anyone else’s but God) but shunning someone because of their sexuality actually produces absolutely nothing. They say love thy neighbor and if you think you can bully or criticize someone’s way of life as a form of “solving” things … it doesn’t work. People are out and gayer than ever 🏳️🌈
@@luckpharaoh8272 I can love you and tell you the truth. I find it fascinating how The Lord tell us to go out and teach the gospel(not what makes you feel good and happy) His Word is truth and there is no way around it. How can you say living in sin is ok and God will allow you to live in His glory? That is false and I don't want anyone to go to hell but if you don't want to listen to the truth because your wittle feelwing will get hurt. That a you problem and you need to fix that. If you think me saying seek The Lord, deny yourself (like Jesus said) and follow Him, is hateful I don't really care because it is true and if you want to continue in sin do it but know only hell awaits. And yes God will do the judging but He does tell us to go out and warn. So again I will say there is no gay christans just like there is no murdering christians, just like there is no pedo christians.
I'm straight male but i fully support all members of lgpt+ community ❤🏳️🌈
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Your profile pic is calling you a liar
@@estevanr10 what 😂!!?
lgP??? LMAO
Abigail is the sweetest.
Thank you for the nice follow up. It's always great to hear from others who have their head on straight when it comes to these issues. Part of the problem is education, and I appreciate anyone willing to help educate the world.
Super appreciate that! Thank you so much!
I'm here straight from the Jubilee video. It just makes me sad that they live in such an alternate reality, especially Rashad. I saw his instagram post where he married a woman, and there's just so much self-hatred you can see it oozing out of him. Then more mischievous groups use him as a poster child for certain far-right political movements, and it bubbles up from there.
but tbh who says hhe has self hatred, youre judging someone just coz you think that of them? it might not even be the case tho but oh well, society.
I went to multiple churches of various denominations. Baptist, Evangelical, Lutheran, non-denominational. And every single one of them had a pastor or music leader have an "affair" with a minor. Police were never called and the offending church leader was fired or asked to step down. My brother, who was a youth pastor, married a minor (one of his students) and I was coerced to sign a purity contract (e: I was 14 years old and had to wear a wedding ring as proof). Lgbtq+ are not the groomers here.
This panel is so insightful and I love all of their stories. Abigail such a queen! 👑
Spill the tea ☕️ this is more entertaining than the actual debate
Heheh spilt! ☕️🫖 lol ❤😊
hey I just wanted to say as a younger atheist queer person, it has been so incredibly healing to listen to this video. I had no idea how much I needed to hear this. Thank you.
When I came out as gay at 16, that’s the first thing my family said to me…you’re going to burn in hell…really made me turn away from religion
My friend, I am so sorry! That is NOT the heart of God! Please see the LGBTQ/Gay Christian resources in the description of this video! I hope it will bring peace to you!
This episode was insane - i was so mad that Abigal's existence was completely denied right in front of her! And the unaffirming "all lgbtq people are going to h3ll" was so disheartening to me. As a genderqueer intersex christian, I was so grateful to see Abigail bringing the representation! (Especially since intersex people are left outof conversations about gender) So glad I found your channel Gilbert after the jubilee video, and thank you Gilbert, Candice, and Brandon for being such incredibly strong queer christian representation that needs to be heard 🔥 y'all are such lights in the world for showing up as your authentic selves and I felt so seen with all 4 of you in the episode ❤💛✨️🌈
You guys have all made a proud gay of me. I often hate debating, Its too stressful; but hearing those ex gay younger guys’ remarks lit a fire in me, (most notably from Rashad). These are the types of ideals that make me so hesitant to converse with or honor the Christian lifestyle. This debate (I think) shed light on how (in)efficient this form of brainwashing is and how detrimental it is to future generations, and their own progression.
Such a wonderful insight. Thank you for sharing!
Atheist and anti-theist here but I gave great respect for all of you regardless of your beliefs. I was really shocked when they all stepped forward for the prompt that LGBTQ individuals are destined for hell. I cannot understand how someone should be tormented for all eternity simply for being different. I heard no justification from any of the so-called “ex-LGBTQ” individuals other than the bible says so. That tells me that they have given up on thinking for themselves when it comes to morality. And when they denied Abigail for who she is, I was pissed. Regardless, I have mad respect for all 4 of you. You all kept your cool, you stayed rational, and you stayed civil to the best of your abilities, something I would not be able to do in that kind of setting as an LGBTQ individual myself. Great job guys!
Thank you so much!! 🙏🏼❤️
as a christian i’m sorry other christian’s called you names and were mean to yall, yall didn’t desver that at all and i wish i could give all of yall a hug i wish more people would be open minded and more understanding and loving towards others. yall don’t deserve to be attacked like that for simply being who you are but i hope yall are feeling better and please don’t stop being yourself so love all of y’all’s energy btw yall are beautiful people 🥹🫶🏼
This needs to stop as a Christian this or that. Don't apologize. It was a conversation views will be shared. These are people who walked similar lifestyles. Stop this as christian thing.
@@tembelihlechifamba1790 it won’t stop 🤷🏻♀️
I am a Fundamental Bible believing Christian...however I have enjoyed you guys. WHAT MAKES ME ANGRY 😡 IS ANYONE SAYING GAY PPL ARE GOING TO HELL. THERE WILL BE JUST AS MANY HETEROSEXUAL PPL IN HELL AS GAY PPL, SEXUAL PREFERENCE DOES NOT SEND YPU TO HELL! Don't get me wrong I don't share most of your beliefs but if you are a true Christian then that makes yall my brothers&sisters. #1- no one other than God&the person knows if they have been saved so anyone who says someone is going to hell are claiming God status and should social media down & work on their problem I would call pride if I were giving advice! #2- sexuality does not send you directly to hell...what I get from the Bible is that ALL SINS lead to death&or separation from God. I am pretty strict with my beliefs, yet I thank you all for helping me understand where you each are coming from&I've definitely learned a lot&I'm trying to be a true Christ follower & part of that is love my neighbor &i genuinely am glad I've gotten to learn about my family in Christ! Keep it up for God in everything you do! Love&kisses to you all!!!❤❤❤😊
Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but kisses from an enemy are deceitful. Proverbs 27:6. Some of the Christian’s weren’t just repeating what a pastor told them, they were quoting the Bible itself. If you do not believe the Bible is the infallible Word of the living God, then it makes total sense why you guys felt like you couldn’t even make any progress in the debate. Your version of the truth doesn’t line up with the truth of the Word. Glad everyone was able to come together to at least speak on this topic.
I always love getting to hear the cast of Jubilee episodes talk about it after, because it's known they cut out a shit ton (even though people would watch it still if it was longer). I assumed Jubilee let everyone know it would be a religious based debate, but it sounds like they didn't.
Also the grey shirt guy came off as young, naive, and uneducated the entire time. It's interesting to learn how young he actually is. It also feels like new Christians are always so much more abrasive and unyielding to any type of differing opinions than those who have settled into religion for a long time.
I also agree they were acting as representatives rather than just people. It tells me that they aren't entirely settled into their opinions (mainly grey shirt guy).
The intro was so dramatic and I'm so here for it lol
Hahahhahah!! I'm so happy to hear that! lol
Everyone looked amazing and spoke so eloquently. Thank you so much for being your beautiful, unapologetic selves ❤
Thank you, love!
@abigail: You have such a beautiful soul-- I am blown away by your kind, kind, very patient (when others interrupt you) and mature communication... by your openness and humility. To me, you exemplify what fundamentally religious people are preaching they are striving to be. Interesting. I appreciate each person on this panel-- I hope this Jubilee episode brings more authentic kindness and care and neighborly love into the world.
you all are a great example of love and compassion! I loved how you all handled things in the jubilee video and also I enjoyed listening more from all of you in this video! From a woman who has an attraction for both women and men and, believes in God!
Rashad said that Abigail was his friend and that he had love for her after he said she was going to be damned. If you see someone as your friend you don’t deny their existence or say their going to hell
I watched the debate. As a Christian I agree with what they said for the most part. I think there’s a better way to deliver the message.
LGBTQ or any human on the planet bound to hell. There’s nothing to be offended by that. We are all headed there. Being a heterosexual doesn’t gives a ticket to heaven. The only way anyone can be in heaven is repent and to believe that Jesus is her or his savior.
You can definitely say they’re going to hell but denying their existence is crazy. You can’t say they’re going to hell multiple times but if it comes up it’s understandable. I’m not a Christian and I’ve definitely been told that I’m going to hell by those close to me. In their religion they’re probably right. I wish that they spoke more about how things were misinterpreted because the main reason that I’m not a Christian is bc I read that cross dressing and being a homo is an abomination.
@@pebblesq2010 what a terrible way to live life. It’s especially disgusting that they tell small children they’re going to go to hell unless they believe what they tell them. This is a belief and not a fact, there’s no reason for anyone tell another person they’re going to hell just for being who they are.
@@betteryourlife865 their words may seem too strong. In reality, everyone deserves hell because -- Romans 3:23 NIV
[23] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. “ Not to single out homosexual but also heterosexual - humankind. Jubilee’s question may have put them in a spot. There are questions that can’t be answered as simple as yes or no.
But in spite of that news There’s good news - God loves us so much “Jesus dies for us and gives us eternal life”
John 3:16 NIV
@@betteryourlife865it is a belief and a fact. If you study the scripture, it’s history and writings that speaks about Jesus’ miracles, his life. There was hundreds of witnesses of his resurrection.
Have written a comment so many times and delete them. I cannot find the words to say what incredible work you did.
Thank you so much!! We feel the love!! We are so grateful!
It was frustrating to see the Jubilee crew not step in and bring the conversation back to the prompt like they’ve done with other Middle Ground Videos. I was glad to see your group stand up for LGBTQ+ people especially since some of y’all are also religious. As someone who is still struggling to find my identity as either bi or pan (I was raised religious but am not now) I am glad people like y’all are here to listen and be kind.
the ex-lgbt group was so saddening to listen to… their arguments were based with internalized homophobia/transphobia. i hope they will take the time to evolve their perception of the world or what christianity truly is
This is for the blonde who said the gates of heaven were wide in the debate. Matthew 7:13-14 13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
But they know the Bible so well!
She couldn't even cite what version she reads when pressed on it lmao.
@@garynouban6453 lol
Thank you for this post. It took me two days to watch in full what Jubilee posted. I had to pause walk away from it several times just because of how offensive and triggering certain comments were. Thank you for representing and thank you for sharing.
i am not sure if i am going to find the right words, but here it goes:
i started watching the jubilee video late at night. not the best selfcare practice for an ex-catholic bisexual.
i am so grateful for all of your work and agree that you make a wonderful team.
Gilbert, your way of clearly building community whereever you go is heartwarming and makes me so hopeful.
thank you for being your fabulous self and never stop snapping!
Candice, whenever you spoke i felt this wonderful hug of acceptance. you were literally a rainbow of softness, vulnerabitlty & fierceness. i wanted to jump through my screen when people questioned your personal relationship to god. and i LOVED the way you set boundaries.
there was this little child inside of me that thought: oh wow, when i grow up i wanna be like that!
Brandan, i admire your clarity and i am deeply thankful for your knowledge and consistency in pushing a queer perspective on bible studies. every time you made clear that there was no "healing" homosexuality and pressed them on being truthful made me feel seen and calmer.
Abigail, oh, i think i wouldn't have made it through the jubilee video without the shade! thank you so much for all your facial expressions and representing the intersex community. i cannot wait to hear more of your story!
**thanks for making spiritually healing content that matters!**
Just seen rashads wedding pictures and you can just tell he is not being honest with himself. I feel so bad for his wife . They should’ve got ex LGBTQ people who were not religious. These people can’t think without the Bible. I just wanted to hear from THEM and not what God says.
Rashad is just one of thousands of people that have had homosexual experiences and later turned around and married the opposite sex. Why is it difficult for you to accept that people can switch sides not only for religious reasons but because they may end up in love with someone of the opposite sex? If it's not true for you, it is true for others. There are people who have not returned to the gay lifestyle. Once gay alway gay and once a playa always a playa is an agenda to make people stuck and not see any possibilities of living a lifestyle other than the gay lifestyle.
I want to go to Abigail’s drag show! I want to attend Brandan’s church. I want Candice to be my therapist! And I want to singgg with Gilbert ! My four faves 🥹🥰
I’ve only now come across you and I have thoughts… firstly I love how hard you are defending Abigail that truly lets me know you mean it when you say spread love. But second and most importantly I left the church bc of the harmful hateful things they said and thought about the LGBT community. I was an avid Christian and went to church camp every year. One year this pastor comes in and tells us his dad came out as gay and that made him soften his ideals but still thought he should never act upon his sexuality bc it’s a sin. After that it was downhill and it was everywhere I couldn’t escape it and knowing I was bi from a young age without knowing a label made that really hard bc I knew the second I labeled myself I’d be shunned and I was. And it never made sense bc my whole life I thought and still do think that being a Christian is about love loving yourself and loving those around you creating space where struggles aren’t as hard bc you have a community to fall back on. And leave the judgement to god bc that is and never will be a fallible humans job. So hearing not one but 3 Christian openly gay people pastors even makes me want to sob. The heartbreak the church put me and so many others through us insane and I just want to thank you for showing the world you don’t have to be hateful to be a Christian you don’t have to be straight to be a Christian thank you ❤
My heart is about to explode reading such a generous and vulnerable message. I am almost at a loss for words. I can't express how grateful I am for you taking the time to write this! Is it Autume? Thank you for sharing your story, so vulnerably and honestly. That was super bold and brave and I am so sorry for your experience with the Church. All of us on the LGBTQ side of this issue can definitely relate to you. Thank YOU so much!!
I'm so glad that I read the comments in the Jubilee video to find this video. You all have opened a part of my spiritual brain and provided knowledge that I never heard at my family's church and the church that I grew up in. I'm definitely using James 3:1 whenever they try to teach me about LGBTQ+ "bible quotes" or any type of hatred that is "said in the Bible" from now on!
So you're going to deny the entire bible to bring one verse that suits your argument
@@tembelihlechifamba1790 they don’t use scripture to back up their argument, only their personal beliefs and feelings.
@@ArianaRoseBeezy there is so much scripture to be used and people like to invalidate the scripture.
@@tembelihlechifamba1790 can you enlighten me with any?
It’s not hatred in the Bible, it’s the truth and bending it to fit your will is deranged but, I suppose to make yourself more comfortable on earth 😅
You guys were superstars, love you all and I'm sending so much love and hug to Abby.
love these 4 so much!! each of y’all are so powerful and inspirational ❤️
I must say the four of you have such a warm, kind energy. Thank you for sharing this video.
I give sooo much praise to Abigail for opening up about her trauma, especially on a platform as big as jubilee, and I admire her so much for her strength throughout all of this ❤
Lol, what Rashad needs is a man to love him correctly. 😅
I really wonder if he saw this video 😂
Absolutely LOVED this conversation from top to bottom! ❤ Like Abigail’s in her closing remarks, if definitely felt a genuine love across the board. It was beautiful to see that kind of authenticity.
You four seem like such empathetic and kind-hearted people. Would love to see/hear this ensemble in future content!
Your wish is our command! It’s coming! 🙏🏼❤️
Oh gosh, that Rashad guy. Sounds like he also listens to people like Andrew Tate💀
The fact that they really made it look like YOU GUYS were the ones who lacked biblical knowledge makes me mad... Horrible choices for this episode made on behalf of jubilee
I really love and appreciate all of you. You all did a fantastic job during the "debate" and i felt very well represented. I am no longer religious, but i still felt a strong connection to you all. Thanks for what you all did. ❤️ 😘
I really don't understand how y'all had the patience to talk to them 😂
It was not easy! lol
I personally see the first promt as. If you claim to be an ex-gay that would mean that youre either still gay tho or that you were never gay to begin with. And that would mean that you could neither call yourself an ex-gay nor speak on gay issues.
When I first started figuring out my sexuality I thought I was a lesbian. I identified as one for like a year. But I figured out that Im actually not. And thats totally fine. But you do not see me talking about lesbian issues simply because I never was one.
Anyways Im glad that you guys got together to talk about the video!! It was really cool and interesting to watch :)
the "real housewives" editing is sooo good!! yea you ate!!
Ahhahahahaw! Thanks love! 🙏🏼❤️
Love the editing on this video!! It’s over the top and I’m here for it lol
Haha thank you! I did want to make sure it stayed engaging because we all talked... A LOT! lol
First have to say that I'm a gay cis man so context/perspective on my comment.
I watched the original video yesterday and was appalled the comments from the ex-LGBTQ side Rashad, Samuel, and most especially Xiala and even more so on the prompt about LGBTQ people not going to heaven knowing all too well that Abigail was in the room. I think your statement to them when you joined for the full panel discussion hit the nail on the head. Team LGBTQ was very articulate in their message and 99% of what I heard coming from the ex side was regurgitation of crap we hear all the time from the anti-LGBTQ side. As an agnostic, using the Bible or any other religious stance on being anti-LGBTQ is pointless. My feeling is YOUR God may be right for YOU but that doesn't mean YOUR God dictates MY life nor anyone else who doesn't believe in YOUR God. You live your life according to how your religion says but don't tell others what they can or cannot do simply because of your choice in religions. I think each of you (Candice, Abigail, Brandan and you GIlbert) are highly intelligent, compassionate, and caring individuals. I am happy to have got this as a recommended video to watch. And Brandan if you're reading this and looking for a slightly older than you bear living in California, feel free to slide into my DMs ;-) .... oh I hope the humor in that statement comes through on the interwebs
I’m surprised they couldn’t get a detransitioner, because they usually have opinions that go outside of “finding god” onto why they decided to stopped transitioning. i loved the lgbtq side of the panel, the ex-lgbtq side were mirrors of each other. there’s non-religious reasons onto why people go from lgbtq to not anymore.
That definitely would have been welcomed, at least from me. I do support de-transitioners, in general. That is different than misleading others about orientation, in my opinion.
This video meant the WORLD to me as a pansexual Christian
We got you, love!
I’m so glad I found y’all after that video. Appreciate y’all coming together
.ABIGIL YOU'RE SEEN, LOVED, RESPECTED AND APPRECIATED!!!!!!.
Oh I am so happy I found this recap. First time on the channel, bless the algorithm for knowing I needed to see this.
Also, Side note, Abigail looks kinda like Lana Del Rey. Slay.
That dramatic reenactment was EVERYTHING
Hahahahahha 😂😂❤❤❤ Thank you!! I do have an odd sense of humor lol
moderators in jubilee videos are always so biased from what i heard. like countless times have people who were on middle ground episodes come out and talk about the unpreparedness or the amount of things they cut out important parts of the episode
1:20:45 Yes! Completely agree! And I've heard this many, many times- drag was done throughout history! Back when women weren't allowed to leave the home, theatrical performances still had to be performed. So who else would perform them? The men! The men would play many, many roles INCLUDING FEMALE ROLES. Many Chinese opera shows were all men. Men would play male *and* female roles. Drag has been and still is an art.
Words can not express how absolutely reassuring it is to have the four of you on this podcast as well as in the Jubilee video. I am just enraptured in so much love and healing from all of you. As an eclectic spiritual person who was raised Chrisitan, I knew that my spiritual journey of self-discovery would evolve and enlarge my perception of our worlds detailed nuances and possibilities. This also coincided with my understanding of my sexual orientation as well as others who either share or relate to similar experiences. Who and what we are composed of are only one of many constellations of our inner being. You all share this pure intuitive essence of understanding within yourselves that shines gloriously, and that is both nourishing and empowering. Please continue speaking truth and bringing enlightenment. It is essential for growth and understanding 😊☀!
Michael!! What a beautiful and touching message! Thank you SOOOO much for this!!! ❤️❤️❤️
Fantastic
Thanks love!! 🙏🏼❤️
When ya'll were mentioning about how being prideful for being Christian somewhere around the 1:06:51 mark, I often hear from many ex-LGBT/homophobic individuals/groups that they say "well it's different with religion" and I feel like based on what I saw in the Jubilee video, it might have been the case with some of the ex-LGBT members side- particularly that one individual.
I'm in no way religious, if anything I'd have to say I'm Agnostic. But isn't the sin of pride often referred to in religion moreso in the context of being prideful in a way that puts others down? Being prideful in the way of celebrating Gay Pride puts no one down. It's a happy event that *we can* celebrate because it was not possible pre-Stonewall.
Wow, the production on this is intense haha. I feel like I'm watching a reality tv show, because this is REAL.
🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼❤️
All of you are such beautiful people inside & out! ❤️ watching this was so comforting as someone who deals/dealt with a lot of religious trauma.
I’m a very spiritual person and have grown a lot throughout the years doing tons of self work. I truly want to do all I can on this earth to make the human experience as best and beautiful as possible for myself and others. What makes it possible for me is finding the best/beauty in others and everything. however, one part that I’ve yet to overcome if I’m following that, is the way I perceive religion. After lots of conversations I’ve had with myself, I truthfully believe I will never partake in religion at any point of my life. Part of it being that during my time in a church, they really did believe and think of the lgbt community as something demonic, along with so much other extremist shit. I was forced to go against my will by my parent & because of it, something I struggle in is seeing any beauty and understanding to other Christians. It’s gotten better because of lovely people like you but for the longest I would get irrationally angry whenever someone would bring up religion.
Watching this conversation is healing that.
The world needs more people like you all. & although you are all beautiful and wonderful, I will say I’m biased to Abigail being the mostest! hehehe. what a sweetie pie. 🥹🫶🏽
Also, Gilbert you are so charasmatic & asked such good thoughtful question. I loved hearing everyone’s perspectives. I didn’t know of you before this but I’m glad I do now; ya girl is subscribing. there needs to be more latinx content creators like you! you feel like a family member I wish I had ❤
@@ohhgeezitsmeli OMG!!! You just made me cry!! Well, in the words of the Pointer Sister's.... now... "We are family!" lol!!
I'm not the best Christian in the world so I do not know if some "sins" are actually seen as worse than others (in the eyes of God), but I do know that all can be forgiven if we ask. As people, we don't view all sins as equal, we see murder as worse than pre-marital sex but the reality is that they are both sins. Therefore, I think the "middle ground" that was missed during this debate was pointing out that straight people sin undoubtedly sin just as much as LGBTQ+ people, but theoretically (bc Ik as a Christian, I won't be one to judge) anyone that lives a life of sin, whether it be stealing, pre-marital sex, infedelity, etc. and never asks for forgiveness and promotes the lifestyle will go to Hell (theoretically).
The question then becomes, is the temptation to commit a homosexual sex a sin, and does the temptation alone make you LQBTQ? Is it only a sin if you act on it? And is it even a sin at all?
Another question is does the temptation to commit LQBTQ+ acts make you LGBTQ? If so, would the temptation to steal or cheat make you a theif or Aldultrer?
Point is that the whole debate hangs on whether committing homosexual acts is a sin.