Why does Amtrak not want people knowing about what the Airos will look like/include? There's no harm in people knowing that a new fleet of trainsets will include, I don't think anyways.
Makes me very very concerned that they’re gonna include the very stiff seats on northeast regional Airo sets… and they’re trying to hide it to prevent a lot of backlash. I’m gonna be very disappointed if they end up including them on the Airo sets.
@@JoeyLovesTrains When I watched the original video, I didn't see anything or notice anything with the Airo sets that hinted on the seats potentially being the Midwest seats, not to mention the fact he didn't go inside any of the Airo sets (I don't think so anyways), but I do get the concern.
I actually took an online course and one of the sessions had guest speakers who worked at Siemens in Sacremento, we were virtually taken around the facility to show all the different equipment and inside some of the locomotives to see how it worked. It was so cool seeing it (on a Zoom meet)
It is great to have the video back and to bring back the comment. I would have been great to vist the Siemens factory even though I have driven through it a few times on my adventures. I wonder what happened why the video was taken down. But anyhow, Great video!
I was watching this, and I noticed something very important at 4:09. There's a Kick-Plate on that door! Hallelujah! I was worried about them disappearing from coaches, which would be very bad news for anybody traveling with large items that require the use of their hands, have sanitary concerns, or having some kind of disability regarding their upper body. Kick-Plates are invaluable to anybody who falls into those categories. Admittedly, I only thought of those last two cases just now. But it helped me realize their importance even more-they are not a luxury amenity, they are an accessibility requirement.
I love that their first factory was built in Sacramento, a home of rail since the Gold Rush days. Let's all hope that the United States remains committed to greater investment in both local, regional, and high-speed passenger rail!
@@TheRandCrews yeah shure, but that's not a big Deal. Most European railcars are build for 55m platforms. Which is also the entry height for most us bilevel cars. These things are pretty standartised across the world
A couple of things jump out at me from this factory tour. One. the engine and passenger cars are built like a battering ram. I know this is so they can survive a collision with a freight train. One more reason to separate freight and passenger traffic. so this is not a requirement. Two, there is alot of wiring in a locomotive. I would think they would consider upgrading the design to a network so they can use less smaller wiring.
I had similar thoughts. Looks like a lot of custom, labour intensive work. in 2024 we should really have train manufacturing fine-tuned so it's more like building cars and pickups. Punching them out of an assembly line. So much time wasted moving half built carriages around from one place to another. Hopefully the east-coast facility will be more organized.
@@jdillon8360 Unfortunately unlike cars, rolling stock building gets treated as a jobs program, even in countries that have really good transit. Doing anything that would reduce the amount of people needed would result in all sorts of political backlash for Siemens, both here and in the EU. Thats why they're building brand new facilities all around the world instead of focusing on purely efficiency.
@@georgewishart3308 If you look at how passenger rolling Stock is build for the US vs the EU it is quit jarring how it differs. While freight cars are generaly the same US Passenger cars are quit different. Cars for the US are much heavier. The electrics are a network design. Modern Locomotives and Multipleunits are basically computers. And lastly, railcars and locomotives are not as standartised as cars and trucks. If your factory just builds Toyota Corollas you can automate prettymuch the intere process. But with rollingstock every order of the same model is different and one factory usually makes multiple models at the same time. So automation is usually quit difficult. But it can be done. Siemens offers a stripped down Version of the Vectron called the Smarttron which is not customisable. They can push these out much more quikly than a normal vectron. So they make them when the productionline slows down and soll them from Stock. I hope I brought some inside. Greetings from Europe :)
The problem with the Northeast corridor is the track curvatures and the need to stop at top many stations makes it impractical to go close to 125 mph plus
I mean they build freight locomotives in Europe and Asia, depends if any of the big freight companies want to or maybe some short line possibly, if they have money.
Doubtful they would succeed with freight locomotives in the US, the existing manufacturers are very entrenched and very, very experienced. Their maintenance strategy is also very different from the high-punishment, near-bulletproof construction of the American manufacturers; I highly doubt the railroads would like them
Why can't we as Americans develop American-made railway equipment for our own needs, instead of importing foreign companies and technology? I may be of partial German ancestry, but I just can't get excited about Siemens. This country, in the name of idiotic management and greedy shareholders, managed to essentially kill off the remaining two large-scale locomotive manufacturers, or at best, don't seem to be doing anything of importance. I guess I should be grateful it's not Chinese crap, even though THEY are for all intents and purposes our new imperial overlords.
Sacramento is located in the US as far as i know. Stuff is developed when there is a market for that stuff. The American market is not that big compared to Europe. You get a well engineered and tested product for a good price and jobs in America. Sounds like a good deal to me.
Strict environmental regulations have partially killed the American locomotive market; new locomotives are now more complex and expensive to run. There were and are American companies that built passenger locomotives as well, but they’ve fallen out of favor compared to Siemens.
@HansTheGeek there are so many design flaws it would be a book. It's not user-friendly, and the equipment onboard is vary basic. The ac and heater never work. The seats get in the door, and the engine room doors have to slam them to close. They still use softkeys, but they should be touchscreen, not to mention they placed a huge gigantic windshield in front. With this windshield, wiper fluids on the wiper itself. That's just the tip of the iceburg.
That sounds like thier stuff is a pice of junk. Did they get sued for not delivering what was required? Oh wait…. They ordered more of that seemingly crappie stuff. Somebody seems to be wrong here 🤔
Why does Amtrak not want people knowing about what the Airos will look like/include? There's no harm in people knowing that a new fleet of trainsets will include, I don't think anyways.
I agree H., but, you know Amtrak.
Makes me very very concerned that they’re gonna include the very stiff seats on northeast regional Airo sets… and they’re trying to hide it to prevent a lot of backlash. I’m gonna be very disappointed if they end up including them on the Airo sets.
@@JoeyLovesTrains When I watched the original video, I didn't see anything or notice anything with the Airo sets that hinted on the seats potentially being the Midwest seats, not to mention the fact he didn't go inside any of the Airo sets (I don't think so anyways), but I do get the concern.
@@harrisonofcolorado8886hi bro :D
@@harrisonofcolorado8886 Maybe it could also be a surprise for when they’re revealed, making it a mystery.
I actually took an online course and one of the sessions had guest speakers who worked at Siemens in Sacremento, we were virtually taken around the facility to show all the different equipment and inside some of the locomotives to see how it worked. It was so cool seeing it (on a Zoom meet)
That's so cool
Thank you for showing us the factory! I've been hoping to see the factory in some way. I love seeing the new cars and locomotives come out.
Siemens has become the modern lovechild of EMD & Budd
I am lucky to have seen the original video and sad to have not downloaded it
I love Tour of Siemens Mobility Factory show🤩
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Nice vid Sam
It is great to have the video back and to bring back the comment. I would have been great to vist the Siemens factory even though I have driven through it a few times on my adventures. I wonder what happened why the video was taken down. But anyhow, Great video!
Why doesn't Amtrak want anything leaked about the airo trains?
its a secret 🤫🤫🤫🤫
@@MrMarshmallow26 Railfans know a lot about the Airo trains already so there isn't really anything to hide
@@nolantherailfan5048 I’m joking Amtrak’s just treating Airo like it’s a huge secret that nobody should know about
@@MrMarshmallow26 Railfans know a lot about the airo trains already
@@nolantherailfan5048 ok
Impressive 😮
Phenominal! W#ell done!
I was watching this, and I noticed something very important at 4:09. There's a Kick-Plate on that door! Hallelujah! I was worried about them disappearing from coaches, which would be very bad news for anybody traveling with large items that require the use of their hands, have sanitary concerns, or having some kind of disability regarding their upper body. Kick-Plates are invaluable to anybody who falls into those categories.
Admittedly, I only thought of those last two cases just now. But it helped me realize their importance even more-they are not a luxury amenity, they are an accessibility requirement.
I love that their first factory was built in Sacramento, a home of rail since the Gold Rush days. Let's all hope that the United States remains committed to greater investment in both local, regional, and high-speed passenger rail!
I'm pretty sure a couple of those bright blue LRVs are heading to UTA( Utah Transit Authority) for our TRAX light rail.
Siemens should make bi level carriages
If they can pass the crush tests I am sure they would.
To at least restore that FunTrain in Florida
They already do. The siemens Desiro HC is bi level. So it propably wouldn't take long for them to introduce it to the US Market if some one orders it
@@robinmorgenstern9927probably would need to be modified for platform heights in the US and Canada, depending on the Train operator’s discretion.
@@TheRandCrews yeah shure, but that's not a big Deal. Most European railcars are build for 55m platforms. Which is also the entry height for most us bilevel cars. These things are pretty standartised across the world
A couple of things jump out at me from this factory tour. One. the engine and passenger cars are built like a battering ram. I know this is so they can survive a collision with a freight train. One more reason to separate freight and passenger traffic. so this is not a requirement. Two, there is alot of wiring in a locomotive. I would think they would consider upgrading the design to a network so they can use less smaller wiring.
I had similar thoughts. Looks like a lot of custom, labour intensive work. in 2024 we should really have train manufacturing fine-tuned so it's more like building cars and pickups. Punching them out of an assembly line. So much time wasted moving half built carriages around from one place to another. Hopefully the east-coast facility will be more organized.
@@jdillon8360 Unfortunately unlike cars, rolling stock building gets treated as a jobs program, even in countries that have really good transit. Doing anything that would reduce the amount of people needed would result in all sorts of political backlash for Siemens, both here and in the EU. Thats why they're building brand new facilities all around the world instead of focusing on purely efficiency.
@@georgewishart3308 If you look at how passenger rolling Stock is build for the US vs the EU it is quit jarring how it differs. While freight cars are generaly the same US Passenger cars are quit different. Cars for the US are much heavier.
The electrics are a network design. Modern Locomotives and Multipleunits are basically computers.
And lastly, railcars and locomotives are not as standartised as cars and trucks. If your factory just builds Toyota Corollas you can automate prettymuch the intere process. But with rollingstock every order of the same model is different and one factory usually makes multiple models at the same time. So automation is usually quit difficult. But it can be done. Siemens offers a stripped down Version of the Vectron called the Smarttron which is not customisable. They can push these out much more quikly than a normal vectron. So they make them when the productionline slows down and soll them from Stock.
I hope I brought some inside. Greetings from Europe :)
I hope Siemens can branch out into more rolling stock going forward. I imagine transit funding is about to be basically non-existent for a while.
Building the future of more Amtrak breakdowns!
Are they already building the LRVs for Cleveland?
So this is where every railroad gets their locomotives.
Does anyone know if Edmonton will be contacting Siemens to build S200s for their Light Rail network?
The problem with the Northeast corridor is the track curvatures and the need to stop at top many stations makes it impractical to go close to 125 mph plus
Depends on where you are. Significant sections are good for 125+. A lot of new rolling stock for the NEC is being built for 100, 110, or 125 mph.
When is this month's rail news? Some amazing things have been happening like the new chargers on the METRO NORTH
0:11 VIA!
Excellent video!! Subbed Marietta, Ga. Rail fan and Siemens stock holder.
2:23 The tram says "America plz"
that is adorably funny!
Do you think Siemens will also one day try and get into freight locomotive manufacturing?
I mean they build freight locomotives in Europe and Asia, depends if any of the big freight companies want to or maybe some short line possibly, if they have money.
Doubtful they would succeed with freight locomotives in the US, the existing manufacturers are very entrenched and very, very experienced.
Their maintenance strategy is also very different from the high-punishment, near-bulletproof construction of the American manufacturers; I highly doubt the railroads would like them
As of now SF MUNI has a 146 new Siemens cars in service yesterday I seen # 2154 being tested on SF MUNI
I would have thought Siemens would have been better set up. That plant looks like chaos.
Assembly ain’t tidy work
No “this month on the railroad” though?
He does onlyRailroad Quarterly during the semester since he's a college student.
Ight who has the original
Why can't we as Americans develop American-made railway equipment for our own needs, instead of importing foreign companies and technology? I may be of partial German ancestry, but I just can't get excited about Siemens. This country, in the name of idiotic management and greedy shareholders, managed to essentially kill off the remaining two large-scale locomotive manufacturers, or at best, don't seem to be doing anything of importance. I guess I should be grateful it's not Chinese crap, even though THEY are for all intents and purposes our new imperial overlords.
You're living in a made up world. American capital owns so much around the world. You're not in danger in thr slightest
Sacramento is located in the US as far as i know. Stuff is developed when there is a market for that stuff. The American market is not that big compared to Europe. You get a well engineered and tested product for a good price and jobs in America. Sounds like a good deal to me.
Strict environmental regulations have partially killed the American locomotive market; new locomotives are now more complex and expensive to run. There were and are American companies that built passenger locomotives as well, but they’ve fallen out of favor compared to Siemens.
@@andrewreynolds4949 they use us build Cummins engines. They should also be available to American manufacturers.
@@HansTheGeek They are, though most American locomotive manufacturers prefer to use their own designs
This is the worst locomotive they can ever give to amtrak ever.
@@Society2day why is that?
@HansTheGeek there are so many design flaws it would be a book. It's not user-friendly, and the equipment onboard is vary basic. The ac and heater never work. The seats get in the door, and the engine room doors have to slam them to close. They still use softkeys, but they should be touchscreen, not to mention they placed a huge gigantic windshield in front. With this windshield, wiper fluids on the wiper itself. That's just the tip of the iceburg.
That sounds like thier stuff is a pice of junk. Did they get sued for not delivering what was required?
Oh wait…. They ordered more of that seemingly crappie stuff. Somebody seems to be wrong here 🤔