Despite feeling that Avdol was underutilzed his death was utterly horrifying it was quick and unexpected and Polnareff's reaction to it was even more heart breaking and scary, not only that but Vanilla Ice was also a terrifying villain who was not only immortal but also had an Op stand and was mentally unstable and insane, this battle also developed Polnareff as a character and made me respect him even more as a character
not to mention (got this from some other comment, i dont remember where tho) that all the tarot cards and egyptian gods were finished being used, meaning that dio shouldve been the only one left, but out of no where, this man vanilla ice just says fuck no and kills not one but TWO MAIN CHARACTERS LIKE ITS NOTHING
In my Pink Justice fanfiction, I have Avdol Kakyoin & old Von Stroheim fight Ice. Reimi Sherry & Polnareff have to deal with Enyaba in the mansion while Jotaro, Joseph, & deaged Lisa Lisa take on Dio.
When Avdol was "resurrected" in the Hail 2 U arc I felt a bit cheated like "of course you bring him back" but the fight against Vanilla Ice was just so sudden and shocking, a true masterpiece.
I avoided part 3 because I told myself, they can live on forever in my head Canon. Then I choose to watch part 3, and the end theme with the train broke my heart after it was done. I still haven't healed but I'm gonna carry that weight 🍃
I loved how Iggy's sacrifice also proved Vanilla Ice wrong when he said Iggy didn't have any humanity (ironic coming from a vampire), along with the narrator's note of how even having a stand is a statement to iggy's humanity
bruh, Iggy's death hit so hard for so mnay reasons. It was him making a statement to the world that he exists. It was him saving a friend. It was him finally not running away from the world. It was him being a little shit and sticking it up to Vanilla Ice. Iggy showed in that moment so much humanity.
@@yawarapuyurak3271 I thought Iggy's damage was already fatal at that point, and he figured the best course of action to beat Vanilla Ice would be to save Polnareff to give him one more sneak attack chance once Vanilla Ice came out, even if it further shortened his own life. I thought it was Iggy's way of saying, "Fuck it, if I must go, I'm taking you down with me." Either way, it's a great scene.
@catching.rainbows Nah it was that he had humanity, he said a dog couldn’t have resolve or a proud soul. Resolve and pride are two different traits then humanity
Vanilla ice used the words 'resolve and proud soul' never did he use Humanity. Actually, he did use the word humanity when saying 'Lord Dio told me to never underestimate the proud soul and resolve of humankind but you are only a dog uncapable of such things' words less words more, at that Moment while getting beaten and stomped Iggy smiled, the dog didnt let those words get to him, he knew how proud his soul really was
A thing I love about Polnareff is that after losing Avdol and Iggy he ended up being the only thing that stopped the victory of not only DIO by saving Jotaro’s life but also Diavolo by giving his life to keep the requiem arrow out of Diavolo’s hands and the only reason either of those were possible were because they both looked down on Polnareff like if DIO had just killed him instead of screwing with him on the stairs and had Diavolo made sure he was dead they both would’ve won and that I’m pretty sure makes Polnareff the single most clutch character in Jojo.
It's crazy that when he meets Dio, he's not only in the bottom of the steps but he's also saved by his friends, as he can't beat DIO in any shape of form at that point. But against Diavolo, nobody is there to save him, he dies there and only lingers to life thanks to the arrow
Dio wanted polnareff as an ally thats why he screwed him in the stairs, to trick him to believe that deep inside, he was loyal to Dio. In the other hand, i dont think that diavolo had time to check if polnareff was alive.
I will never understand why such a scary and terrifying character is called Vanilla ice and his black hole stand is called Cream Only Araki can make a guy named like this scary
What makes a good joke character is a likeable and just genuine kind of personality, But what makes a amazing joke character is one which offers so much more than what is expected. A character that truly leaves a satisfying and well thought impact on a person.
That's not my case, i cried in almost every single death and even the fake ones. Avdol's real death hits hard, and when it seemed that Polnareff would actually die i was already about to cry, but once he showed that Iggy actually sacrificed himself i was like: 😐
Hate him? Bro. He fought so many villains. He has a REALLY iconic stand and appearance. And the funny moments he created in the show was great. There is another reason for me (or maybe everyone): he really suffered. He lost his sister, his friends, and even his body and stand. He really lost everything he loved and thats very sad, plus, if you look at his life, you totally understand that he's not only a clown that gets too much screentime.
when he fought Hail 2 U, and said "Cherie is dead" and killed the doll. That was one of the most heartbreaking moments of Jojos for me. And the fact that it was after killing hanged man and already achieved his vengeance, it only shows how human he is.
@@yawarapuyurak3271Yes! Finally someone talks about that scene! It made me cry so much, it's one of, if not the most realistic portrayal of grief I've seen in anime!
@@nagigachamania6936 you too?! finally found someone that also talks about it! I guess it gets forgotten because it's not near the end? It also hit hard as an older brother. That's why Polnareff is my fav in part 3.
@@yawarapuyurak3271 It hit me hard cuz he wanted his sister back so badly that he let that copy of her try to kill him, but when he sees that to remain thinking about her death will only hold him back, he says out loud "Sherry is dead" and kills the copy, therefore destroying what's holding him back, his grief. He definitely didn't finish mourning her death, but it's not something that keeps him from going ahead anymore. This whole scene is just sad and beautiful, and just like you said, the fact that it's after Polnareff killed J.Geil shows how human he is, cuz he's at peace now that the bastard is dead, but killing him didn't bring his sister back. This scene, added with that scene when he cries tears of joy cuz Avdol is alive, was the moment I thought "Okay, you've stolen my heart".
@@nagigachamania6936 you've said it "he's at peace now that the bastard is dead, but killing him didn't bring his sister back" That's what hit me so hard at a personal level. And seeing him happyfor Avdol was so nice after such a heavy moment.
I feel like people weigh Jotaro's successes too heavily against Polnareff. One of the earliest notions around Polnareff from the moment he changed sides was that the enemies knew absolutely everything about him. They knew his stand and its abilities, they knew about his quest for revenge, and they even knew that he was looking for a place to die. Comparatively, very few of the assassins wanted to fight Jotaro. They knew next to nothing about him. All they knew about Jotaro was that he's strong and fast. By the end, Dio doesn't even know why Jotaro wants him dead. If Dio sent someone to hold Holly hostage, he could have won instantly. The intel difference decided everything.
The only people I can think that don't like him is people who haven't reached till episode 21 of part 3. Part of that is definitely because of his iconic as fuck design (and he's fucking hot), when added with his prideful attitude, gives the impression that he's an asshole (I was one of this people with prejudice, curse at me if you want to). Another point is that he's obviously the comic relief of the group and unfortunatelly, we're so used to comic relief characters that have no other purpouse aside from being funny that we don't expect to have real emotional attachments to him at first. Edit: He's my favorite character of all time (I love him so much it might be a problem), and all people I know that have watched Jojo said they also liked him a lot.
Polnareff exudes "supporting character" energy, and his continued survival and character development is just a solid twist. I kind of wish he got more of an epilogue than "he's a turtle now".
Cream is a terrifying stand when you think about how it represents paranoia and the fear of the unknown, what will happen in the future is in the dark and you could die at any moment because of the fragilty of life.
Polneraff lost a friend he thought was dead due to his actions in a sudden manner that he can’t even mourn for and for reasons that this time are genuinely outside his control and not his fault this time around. He next loses another friend shortly after in an even more brutal manner. And then another friend is killed in a fight right after this one. Polneraff needs a hug after the hell he’s been through
For me, the best battle in the whole franchise. Especially if you don't know about it, like it was my case. I didn't see it coming and blew me away. Vanilla Ice is a disturbing villain done right.
I like how this depicts how them agreeing to fight Dio means that they are ready to take sacrifices, knowing that some of them aren't going to go back home
This whole fight had me sobbing, Iggy's brutal end was... hard to watch. Polnareff just kept losing the people and things he held dear, it was cathartic to see him put such an end to that bastard Vanilla Ice but still, it shouldn't have ended the way it did.
Easily the best penultimate fight in JoJo’s imo. One of my favorite things about this fight is how terrifying and overpowering Vanilla Ice is with his destructive stand and fierce determination, but despite all that we are constantly reminded how much this guy, Vanilla Ice - a guy who instantly swallows one of the most powerful Stardust Crusaders, a guy who gets stabbed through the brain stem and KEEPS GOING, a guy who is so sadistic that he opts to kick Iggy to death instead of immediately annihilating him - is in DEEP and entirely loyal service to his lord, DIO. It forces you to think “What the hell is DIO capable of that this monstrous stand user is only SECOND to DIO’s power and fear?!” Vanilla Ice is a horrifying threat all his own while also building up his master. Just beautiful stuff.
I got the notification and put everything aside to watch this, peak content, keep it up man. Edit: This video… it makes me realise how important Polnareff was to the group and how amazing this fight was, making it shoot up my tier list for JJBA fights
I've said this before, but I personally think Cream should've been the stand that represents the Devil tarot card. Ebony Devil is just.. such a lame stand, and the added symbolism of the Devil conflicting with the Chariot would've made the conflict just that little bit more meaningful.
I really value him not being in the tarot though, it really hits home that we're on uncharted territory, so every bit of predictability we could previously rely on is taken away. This makes Vanilla Ice be one of the few instances in Jojos that bring a bit of horror back into the story.
Really wish we did get multiple stands with the same tarot, it would only make sense. Coulda had a Bronze Chariot or Burning Hermit, Shining Star, Green Moon, etcetera. It's only natural that two people from opposite sides of the world would have similar true natures, to inform their stand ability, there's only so many combinations of traits a human can have, there's endless repeats throughout the population, no one is truly unique.
Gonna be honest, Polnareff is the kind of person you want in your corner when the going gets tough. He came through multiple times throughout the series and proved himself to be a genuinely valuable companion to the other crusaders, and really helped out Giorno and his friends.
I really like how one of the options Polnareff considers is that his friends will appear to save the day, like the viewer is also thinking that because its such a classic trope, this way it kinda lets you relate more to him, both you and the character were waiting to Jotaro appear and save the day
upon seeing those panels of polnareff killing vanilla ice, I felt like chariot actually twisted my head as well that's so much power in one single image
Might be a hot take, but I honestly thought this was the best fight of Stardust Crusaders. I get it that Jotaro vs DIO is pure hype with everything being on the line in that moment and finally seeing DIO in action after all the buildup to finally confronting him, but Vanilla Ice was always just a much more impactful fight to me. The contrast between Polnareff's heroic enthusiasm and willingness to face down the evil looming over him versus Vanilla Ice being so cold and heartless and willing to do anything no matter how evil or absurd for his master DIO. The emotions that run through us as we watch Iggy and Avdol sacrifice themselves to save Polnareff. How on the edge we get watching a hero like Polnareff battle an evil like Vanilla Ice anyone would look at and consider impossible to defeat with such horrifying powers and skills. The satisfying end to the duel and the tearjerking moment where we watch Avdol and Iggy pass on after seeing Polnareff had successfully avenged them. Everything in this battle was just phenomenal and very pure for a battle between good and evil.
Tamo junto amigo! Ele é meu personagem favorito da vida e defender-lo-ei até a morte! O francês mais amado dos animes, nosso querido Jean Pierre Polnareff... ele me ensinou tanto sobre escrita de personagem q em homenagem eu tô fazendo uma fanfic juntando ele com uma OC (esse homem já recebe muito amor dos fãs mas merece muito mais dentro da história)
I know a lot of people's favourite crusader is Kakyoin, understandably so. But Polnareff just hits different every time i watch the part. He's such a funny character whenever he's on screen. He's always the butt of the jokes. But he treats every single one of his friends with the respect they deserve. He values those connections he makes with people, and it helps him grow even more as a character when one of those friends sadly passes. Polnareff is a real one, through and through, and i just love him so much
I LOVE Vanilla Ice, he is such a dangerous villian, whose defeat relieves you so much, you hate him to the bone, like you hate Homelander. The fight with him showed Polnareff in such a different perspective, even the revenge on J.Geil wasn't so sweet, because we weren't as emotionally attached to Polnareff's sister as we are to Adolf an Iggy
Polnareff & Iggy vs Vanilla Ice is unironically the best fight in Part 3 by a mile. It felt like both parties were actively trying to kill each other with everything they had, while also exploiting each other's weaknesses. Iggy and Avdol's deaths were also among the saddest moments in the series tbh. And while I would have preferred Avdol to actually have put up a fight, his and Iggy's sacrifice not only allowed Polnareff to win, but it also sold you on the *gravity* of the situation and how scary Dio must be if someone as strong as Vanilla Ice worships him like a god.
I liked him because cool stand that uses a sword. I like the pose and I like how it can remove the armor to become faster. I love past precise characters. Also the sound effects of the slashes
For the Longest time I’ve always believed that Avdol should have lived and polnareff should have sacrificed himself to show his growth from the sacrifice Avdol made . But recently (and thanks to this video) I’ve come to appreciate this fight and polnareff as a whole since his Character had a much bigger capacity to grow compared to Avdol and iggy. In the end the sacrifices made in this fight and the last fight really drive home the theme of sacrifice echoed in Part 6
Ngl this was one the fights that brought me to tears. Especially with iggys beat down then down. Polnareff made me proud and I got a new found respect for him
I had a legit relationship-ending argument over this fight (the whole relationship was a toxic mess, and this was the final nail in the coffin and we were dumb/petty teenagers). She didn't see this fight for what it was, and was genuinely upset that Polnareff survived. She screamed that it was so unrealistic and that any other outcome wouldn't have worked. Needless to say, I disagreed. Over the years after I saw this fight, it slowly cemented itself my favorite fight in all of Part 3, and I will stand by that. Polnareff has always been my favorite Part 3 Character, and this fight reinforces that belief
How was he a hated character? I always liked him but this fight made me love him. One of the best fights in the entire anime for sure. And don't forget Kakyoin, Jotaro and Joseph were playing videogames while the other half of the team were dying...
Are you gonna do a Most Terrifying Stands episode about Cream? Because it's (in my opinion) pretty goddamn terrifying. It's invisible, can erase you from existence, and its user can't die. (That's more related to Vanilla Ice's vampirism, but still)
Polnareff was shockingly my favorite crusader. Dude has a great arc and some of my favorite fights. I always tell people he's the secret protagonist of part 3.
Truly an awesome fight what laid a great foundation for the future but nowhere near my favorite: Doppio/Diavolo with King Crimson/Epitaph vs Risotto Nero and Metallica. Would like to see this one covered in a future video.
When I think back to the best fights in the series, the first that come to mind are: White album, part 5 train, Vanilla Ice, Josuke vs Kira and Valentine.
It's important to consider the small bits of character we get of Vanilla, especially considering how shallow most part 3 villains are. Because it was more than the combined efforts of the gang, but Vanilla's absolute loyalty to Dio and nothing vice versa that cost him the fight.
Polnareff goes from being a comic relief character who gets attacked by every Stand in a 50 mile radius the INSTANT he is by himself to an irreplaceable member of The Squad™. The moment he accepts his fate and says goodbye to Iggy is heartbreaking. It comes full circle when he meets Dio on the stairs and calls out to Avdol and Iggy to give him courage 🥲
Honestly i love vanilla ice and the stand design of Cream, when i first watched it cream seemed like an unstoppable force and an incredibly overpowered stand, and avdol's death was so quick and it didnt even have fanfare, it was fast and fatal from cream and polnareff is thrown head first into a lethal battle against a seemingly undefeatable foe who already killed his friend
Dio proving once again he’s the least qualified leader by failing to at least instruct Vanilla Ice on what the abilities are directly before sending him on an ambush mission.
The great thing about this fight is the opposite of what most popular media action scenes have right now. In pop media, the main characters gets thrown around and each attack is largely inconsequential and we expect it to be that way. This is very different from that - in the Vanilla Ice fight, we realize that just getting hit is instant death, and the Avdol death made it very clear that the main characters are NOT SAFE in this fight - and even the main characters are in complete disbelief on how quickly they can just get eliminated when they even make a small error. We don't feel that same dread in most Hollywood movies anymore, and one of the last ones to do so was movies like Terminator 2 - when being within range of the main villain means instant death - and not being thrown around wire fu style.
Is that the name of this kind of story where every other episodes of fight were like a tournament kind of thing? Kind of like the sound of battle fiction
It really sad to when you think about it everything that spurned polnariff forward was the loss of someone he cares for: his sister death is what got him on his quest for J.gile and crossed his fate with meeting dio and getting pulled into the whole jojo bloodline battle, avdol’s death gave him the resolve not to flee the mansion and to push forward to fight vanilla ice, iggy’s death gave him a second wind through rage/resolve not to give in to defeat…..he has his moments where he acts tough and cocky in a fight and he has skill for sure, but it’s only when he loses someone important in his life is when his true strength gets revealed, imagine how sad it is to be considered a hero but your greatest growth is from failing to save the ones you love
I started out as a Jojo hater when I started watching Part 3, and the Vanilla Ice fight is what truly made me take a step back and realize that I loved JoJo
So in the end it, where we, like Polnereff, thought answer #3 would be the final result of the Vanilla Ice encounter, it was Answer #2 that happened and his friend Iggy saved Polnereff.
Polnaref is a 3 dimensional character that is very loyal to the ones who helped him out of the vicious side of anger/revenge. This is the ultimate scene of a trope that jojo does where it's only you and the ones who're on your side. Jojo almost never does that trope of being saved in the last second that most media do. I've realized that triumph is always made by one or a set of characters, they don't rob them of their wins they just show why those characters deserve to be a hero. And this fight was just fucking beautiful, they made you FEEL that head twist and making vanilla ice just some filth that needs to be purged from this plane of existence.
I was watching this video sleep deprived on my couch When I fell asleep META kept talking in my dream while I was Jotaro except I was water and he said How would the Stardust Crusaders handle a Shark Attack
Despite feeling that Avdol was underutilzed his death was utterly horrifying it was quick and unexpected and Polnareff's reaction to it was even more heart breaking and scary, not only that but Vanilla Ice was also a terrifying villain who was not only immortal but also had an Op stand and was mentally unstable and insane, this battle also developed Polnareff as a character and made me respect him even more as a character
not to mention (got this from some other comment, i dont remember where tho) that all the tarot cards and egyptian gods were finished being used, meaning that dio shouldve been the only one left, but out of no where, this man vanilla ice just says fuck no and kills not one but TWO MAIN CHARACTERS LIKE ITS NOTHING
In my Pink Justice fanfiction, I have Avdol Kakyoin & old Von Stroheim fight Ice.
Reimi Sherry & Polnareff have to deal with Enyaba in the mansion while Jotaro, Joseph, & deaged Lisa Lisa take on Dio.
When Avdol was "resurrected" in the Hail 2 U arc I felt a bit cheated like "of course you bring him back" but the fight against Vanilla Ice was just so sudden and shocking, a true masterpiece.
@@SlashinatorZbro that’s sick how strouheim survives till part 3 🎉
I avoided part 3 because I told myself, they can live on forever in my head Canon.
Then I choose to watch part 3, and the end theme with the train broke my heart after it was done. I still haven't healed but I'm gonna carry that weight 🍃
I loved how Iggy's sacrifice also proved Vanilla Ice wrong when he said Iggy didn't have any humanity (ironic coming from a vampire), along with the narrator's note of how even having a stand is a statement to iggy's humanity
bruh, Iggy's death hit so hard for so mnay reasons.
It was him making a statement to the world that he exists.
It was him saving a friend.
It was him finally not running away from the world.
It was him being a little shit and sticking it up to Vanilla Ice.
Iggy showed in that moment so much humanity.
@@yawarapuyurak3271 I thought Iggy's damage was already fatal at that point, and he figured the best course of action to beat Vanilla Ice would be to save Polnareff to give him one more sneak attack chance once Vanilla Ice came out, even if it further shortened his own life. I thought it was Iggy's way of saying, "Fuck it, if I must go, I'm taking you down with me."
Either way, it's a great scene.
@@sandmaenchen I thought he could live tho. But you right, incredible scene, Iggy a true bro.
@catching.rainbows Nah it was that he had humanity, he said a dog couldn’t have resolve or a proud soul. Resolve and pride are two different traits then humanity
Vanilla ice used the words 'resolve and proud soul' never did he use Humanity.
Actually, he did use the word humanity when saying 'Lord Dio told me to never underestimate the proud soul and resolve of humankind but you are only a dog uncapable of such things' words less words more, at that Moment while getting beaten and stomped Iggy smiled, the dog didnt let those words get to him, he knew how proud his soul really was
A thing I love about Polnareff is that after losing Avdol and Iggy he ended up being the only thing that stopped the victory of not only DIO by saving Jotaro’s life but also Diavolo by giving his life to keep the requiem arrow out of Diavolo’s hands and the only reason either of those were possible were because they both looked down on Polnareff like if DIO had just killed him instead of screwing with him on the stairs and had Diavolo made sure he was dead they both would’ve won and that I’m pretty sure makes Polnareff the single most clutch character in Jojo.
Hes the goat, and now a turtle. Mvp.
It's crazy that when he meets Dio, he's not only in the bottom of the steps but he's also saved by his friends, as he can't beat DIO in any shape of form at that point. But against Diavolo, nobody is there to save him, he dies there and only lingers to life thanks to the arrow
Dio wanted polnareff as an ally thats why he screwed him in the stairs, to trick him to believe that deep inside, he was loyal to Dio. In the other hand, i dont think that diavolo had time to check if polnareff was alive.
@@recarrasHe was talking about the time he trew him off a cliff, where Daivolo had time, but would expect someone to survive being thrown of a cliff
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I will never understand why such a scary and terrifying character is called Vanilla ice and his black hole stand is called Cream
Only Araki can make a guy named like this scary
I like to think of him being defeated by the scorching sunlight as ironic given his name: Vanilla ICE
Vanilla ice cream as in the flavoured frozen confection
ice ice baby
Theres nothing cooler to me, than the comic relief becoming super serious and having a really intense fight
Vanilla legit got more main group casualties on his record than dio
Let us not forget Part 1. That adds an additional +2 to his killratio.
@@tergartcunninghan2013 can we really call the Polnareff wannabe a "main" character?
I know Joseph was revived but let's be real, he was actually dead for several minutes... So I don't think it's fair for Dio to count that one out.
@@tergartcunninghan2013Dio didn't kill Zeppeli, Tarkus did. Dio only really killed Jonathan and Kakyoin.
@@kevinmckean-gb2qz1. Joseph should definitely count, and also I believe that George Joestar's death is a very important part.
What makes a good joke character is a likeable and just genuine kind of personality, But what makes a amazing joke character is one which offers so much more than what is expected. A character that truly leaves a satisfying and well thought impact on a person.
Sans. I mean that...
@@EditUnivers75no, you’re not wrong. Don’t let the internets portrayal of him tarnish his video game standing
Iggy's death is legitimately the only time JJBA's successfully gotten me to cry, and I'm not ashamed to admit that.
That's impressive seeing all the deaths made either tear up or just bawl
Iggy and Joseph made me cry
That's not my case, i cried in almost every single death and even the fake ones. Avdol's real death hits hard, and when it seemed that Polnareff would actually die i was already about to cry, but once he showed that Iggy actually sacrificed himself i was like: 😐
y’all actually cry! bro it’s 2d frames switching at high speeds
@@ProReel135 I mean.
Any emotional experience could be downplayed through boiling it down to the absolute sum of its parts.
Hate him? Bro. He fought so many villains. He has a REALLY iconic stand and appearance. And the funny moments he created in the show was great. There is another reason for me (or maybe everyone): he really suffered. He lost his sister, his friends, and even his body and stand. He really lost everything he loved and thats very sad, plus, if you look at his life, you totally understand that he's not only a clown that gets too much screentime.
when he fought Hail 2 U, and said "Cherie is dead" and killed the doll.
That was one of the most heartbreaking moments of Jojos for me.
And the fact that it was after killing hanged man and already achieved his vengeance, it only shows how human he is.
@@yawarapuyurak3271Yes! Finally someone talks about that scene! It made me cry so much, it's one of, if not the most realistic portrayal of grief I've seen in anime!
@@nagigachamania6936 you too?! finally found someone that also talks about it! I guess it gets forgotten because it's not near the end?
It also hit hard as an older brother. That's why Polnareff is my fav in part 3.
@@yawarapuyurak3271 It hit me hard cuz he wanted his sister back so badly that he let that copy of her try to kill him, but when he sees that to remain thinking about her death will only hold him back, he says out loud "Sherry is dead" and kills the copy, therefore destroying what's holding him back, his grief. He definitely didn't finish mourning her death, but it's not something that keeps him from going ahead anymore. This whole scene is just sad and beautiful, and just like you said, the fact that it's after Polnareff killed J.Geil shows how human he is, cuz he's at peace now that the bastard is dead, but killing him didn't bring his sister back.
This scene, added with that scene when he cries tears of joy cuz Avdol is alive, was the moment I thought "Okay, you've stolen my heart".
@@nagigachamania6936 you've said it
"he's at peace now that the bastard is dead, but killing him didn't bring his sister back"
That's what hit me so hard at a personal level.
And seeing him happyfor Avdol was so nice after such a heavy moment.
I feel like people weigh Jotaro's successes too heavily against Polnareff. One of the earliest notions around Polnareff from the moment he changed sides was that the enemies knew absolutely everything about him. They knew his stand and its abilities, they knew about his quest for revenge, and they even knew that he was looking for a place to die. Comparatively, very few of the assassins wanted to fight Jotaro. They knew next to nothing about him. All they knew about Jotaro was that he's strong and fast. By the end, Dio doesn't even know why Jotaro wants him dead. If Dio sent someone to hold Holly hostage, he could have won instantly. The intel difference decided everything.
I never thought Polneraff was so hated. I love him and he is one of my favorite characters in Jojo.
same. Everyone I've ever met liked Polnareff in some way.
The only people I can think that don't like him is people who haven't reached till episode 21 of part 3. Part of that is definitely because of his iconic as fuck design (and he's fucking hot), when added with his prideful attitude, gives the impression that he's an asshole (I was one of this people with prejudice, curse at me if you want to). Another point is that he's obviously the comic relief of the group and unfortunatelly, we're so used to comic relief characters that have no other purpouse aside from being funny that we don't expect to have real emotional attachments to him at first.
Edit: He's my favorite character of all time (I love him so much it might be a problem), and all people I know that have watched Jojo said they also liked him a lot.
@@nagigachamania6936saying polnareff is hot is pretty LGBTQ+ of you
@@Seinsmelled well, I'm a straight woman, so it's not, but I totally understand anyone who simps for him like I do, regardless of their gender
@@nagigachamania6936 i forgot women existed
i always get made fun of when i say i like polnarreff vs vanilla ice more than jotaro vs dio
L take from them. You are right.
DIO vs Jotaro is fun, but Vanilla Ice was lowkey scarier and more intimidating than Dio
I'm with you
I love how serious Polnareff is when he just try and kills Vanilla Ice
@@Gamfluent I'd say kakyoin was stronger than iggy, but VI still has more main character kills
Polnareff exudes "supporting character" energy, and his continued survival and character development is just a solid twist. I kind of wish he got more of an epilogue than "he's a turtle now".
Deadass Araki hoed him so hard
Cream is a terrifying stand when you think about how it represents paranoia and the fear of the unknown, what will happen in the future is in the dark and you could die at any moment because of the fragilty of life.
Polneraff lost a friend he thought was dead due to his actions in a sudden manner that he can’t even mourn for and for reasons that this time are genuinely outside his control and not his fault this time around.
He next loses another friend shortly after in an even more brutal manner. And then another friend is killed in a fight right after this one. Polneraff needs a hug after the hell he’s been through
Instead of being hugged, he hugged Jotaro and Joseph afterwards before saying goodbye to them.
For me, the best battle in the whole franchise. Especially if you don't know about it, like it was my case. I didn't see it coming and blew me away. Vanilla Ice is a disturbing villain done right.
I like how this depicts how them agreeing to fight Dio means that they are ready to take sacrifices, knowing that some of them aren't going to go back home
This whole fight had me sobbing, Iggy's brutal end was... hard to watch. Polnareff just kept losing the people and things he held dear, it was cathartic to see him put such an end to that bastard Vanilla Ice but still, it shouldn't have ended the way it did.
Answer 3. Life is sometimes cruel.
@@EditUnivers75 yeah.. it really can
Easily the best penultimate fight in JoJo’s imo.
One of my favorite things about this fight is how terrifying and overpowering Vanilla Ice is with his destructive stand and fierce determination, but despite all that we are constantly reminded how much this guy, Vanilla Ice - a guy who instantly swallows one of the most powerful Stardust Crusaders, a guy who gets stabbed through the brain stem and KEEPS GOING, a guy who is so sadistic that he opts to kick Iggy to death instead of immediately annihilating him - is in DEEP and entirely loyal service to his lord, DIO. It forces you to think “What the hell is DIO capable of that this monstrous stand user is only SECOND to DIO’s power and fear?!” Vanilla Ice is a horrifying threat all his own while also building up his master. Just beautiful stuff.
I got the notification and put everything aside to watch this, peak content, keep it up man.
Edit: This video… it makes me realise how important Polnareff was to the group and how amazing this fight was, making it shoot up my tier list for JJBA fights
I’m so glad you verbalized how fucking satisfying that neck snapping is, it’s really the cherry on top of the fight
This was undoubtedly the most emotional scene in the whole series
Bro unleashed his inner English teacher on an ACTUALLY deep piece of literature
I've said this before, but I personally think Cream should've been the stand that represents the Devil tarot card. Ebony Devil is just.. such a lame stand, and the added symbolism of the Devil conflicting with the Chariot would've made the conflict just that little bit more meaningful.
I really value him not being in the tarot though, it really hits home that we're on uncharted territory, so every bit of predictability we could previously rely on is taken away. This makes Vanilla Ice be one of the few instances in Jojos that bring a bit of horror back into the story.
Really wish we did get multiple stands with the same tarot, it would only make sense.
Coulda had a Bronze Chariot or Burning Hermit, Shining Star, Green Moon, etcetera.
It's only natural that two people from opposite sides of the world would have similar true natures, to inform their stand ability, there's only so many combinations of traits a human can have, there's endless repeats throughout the population, no one is truly unique.
This is a fight I think about often. I just love how it’s solved in such a genius way and the emotions. 10/10 fight
Gonna be honest, Polnareff is the kind of person you want in your corner when the going gets tough. He came through multiple times throughout the series and proved himself to be a genuinely valuable companion to the other crusaders, and really helped out Giorno and his friends.
Polnareff, when it comes down to it, is just the funny kid in class at home
Was for sure hype, pretty satisfying but sad ending
Shoutout to you for congratulating this fight! One of my favorites too, and imo the most tense in the series
I really like how one of the options Polnareff considers is that his friends will appear to save the day, like the viewer is also thinking that because its such a classic trope, this way it kinda lets you relate more to him, both you and the character were waiting to Jotaro appear and save the day
upon seeing those panels of polnareff killing vanilla ice, I felt like chariot actually twisted my head as well
that's so much power in one single image
Might be a hot take, but I honestly thought this was the best fight of Stardust Crusaders. I get it that Jotaro vs DIO is pure hype with everything being on the line in that moment and finally seeing DIO in action after all the buildup to finally confronting him, but Vanilla Ice was always just a much more impactful fight to me. The contrast between Polnareff's heroic enthusiasm and willingness to face down the evil looming over him versus Vanilla Ice being so cold and heartless and willing to do anything no matter how evil or absurd for his master DIO. The emotions that run through us as we watch Iggy and Avdol sacrifice themselves to save Polnareff. How on the edge we get watching a hero like Polnareff battle an evil like Vanilla Ice anyone would look at and consider impossible to defeat with such horrifying powers and skills. The satisfying end to the duel and the tearjerking moment where we watch Avdol and Iggy pass on after seeing Polnareff had successfully avenged them. Everything in this battle was just phenomenal and very pure for a battle between good and evil.
You could say Polnareff won by melting ice.
Great analysis. You just described every micro-emotion I feel about this fight.
In Brazil, we love Polnareff and we say he is the true protagonist of part 3. Which is what he is for reals❤🎉
Tamo junto amigo! Ele é meu personagem favorito da vida e defender-lo-ei até a morte!
O francês mais amado dos animes, nosso querido Jean Pierre Polnareff... ele me ensinou tanto sobre escrita de personagem q em homenagem eu tô fazendo uma fanfic juntando ele com uma OC (esse homem já recebe muito amor dos fãs mas merece muito mais dentro da história)
The last few fights of part 3 are so peak
Darby 2 is only good for the ending/meme value.
Iggy vs Pet Shop though is pretty peak.
5:34 Those edited sound effects are hilarious and brutal. Love it!!!
Polnateff is both the funniest and most tragic character, he really was the heart of the team.
Bruh this shit is peak fiction, almost like the gambling dude stand, like almost no hope if the enemy just had an IQ above 80 lol
I know a lot of people's favourite crusader is Kakyoin, understandably so. But Polnareff just hits different every time i watch the part. He's such a funny character whenever he's on screen. He's always the butt of the jokes. But he treats every single one of his friends with the respect they deserve. He values those connections he makes with people, and it helps him grow even more as a character when one of those friends sadly passes. Polnareff is a real one, through and through, and i just love him so much
I LOVE Vanilla Ice, he is such a dangerous villian, whose defeat relieves you so much, you hate him to the bone, like you hate Homelander. The fight with him showed Polnareff in such a different perspective, even the revenge on J.Geil wasn't so sweet, because we weren't as emotionally attached to Polnareff's sister as we are to Adolf an Iggy
Polnareff & Iggy vs Vanilla Ice is unironically the best fight in Part 3 by a mile.
It felt like both parties were actively trying to kill each other with everything they had, while also exploiting each other's weaknesses.
Iggy and Avdol's deaths were also among the saddest moments in the series tbh. And while I would have preferred Avdol to actually have put up a fight, his and Iggy's sacrifice not only allowed Polnareff to win, but it also sold you on the *gravity* of the situation and how scary Dio must be if someone as strong as Vanilla Ice worships him like a god.
Finally got the time to watch the video, congrats on 100k man:)
You posted at the perfect time, I love to watch your videos while eating and I just sat down to eat when I got the notif
The worst thing about vannila ice is he just killed avdol instantly that he doesnt even get a backstory
I liked him because cool stand that uses a sword. I like the pose and I like how it can remove the armor to become faster. I love past precise characters. Also the sound effects of the slashes
For the Longest time I’ve always believed that Avdol should have lived and polnareff should have sacrificed himself to show his growth from the sacrifice Avdol made . But recently (and thanks to this video) I’ve come to appreciate this fight and polnareff as a whole since his Character had a much bigger capacity to grow compared to Avdol and iggy. In the end the sacrifices made in this fight and the last fight really drive home the theme of sacrifice echoed in Part 6
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Ngl this was one the fights that brought me to tears. Especially with iggys beat down then down. Polnareff made me proud and I got a new found respect for him
I had a legit relationship-ending argument over this fight (the whole relationship was a toxic mess, and this was the final nail in the coffin and we were dumb/petty teenagers). She didn't see this fight for what it was, and was genuinely upset that Polnareff survived. She screamed that it was so unrealistic and that any other outcome wouldn't have worked.
Needless to say, I disagreed. Over the years after I saw this fight, it slowly cemented itself my favorite fight in all of Part 3, and I will stand by that. Polnareff has always been my favorite Part 3 Character, and this fight reinforces that belief
people like you that get in arguments over an anime get girlfriends and i have to be a single permavirgin? life isn't fair total normoid death
How was he a hated character? I always liked him but this fight made me love him. One of the best fights in the entire anime for sure. And don't forget Kakyoin, Jotaro and Joseph were playing videogames while the other half of the team were dying...
Easily a top 5 JoJo fight
It’s in my opinion one if the most thrilling fight in Jojo’s
Are you gonna do a Most Terrifying Stands episode about Cream? Because it's (in my opinion) pretty goddamn terrifying. It's invisible, can erase you from existence, and its user can't die. (That's more related to Vanilla Ice's vampirism, but still)
This is my favorite fight in fiction
Polnareff was shockingly my favorite crusader. Dude has a great arc and some of my favorite fights.
I always tell people he's the secret protagonist of part 3.
FINALLY! someone covering my favorite fight in the entire series
The French Revolution strikes again.
Truly an awesome fight what laid a great foundation for the future but nowhere near my favorite: Doppio/Diavolo with King Crimson/Epitaph vs Risotto Nero and Metallica. Would like to see this one covered in a future video.
IGGY GET OUT OF THERE HES STILL ALIVE IGGYYYY!
When I think back to the best fights in the series, the first that come to mind are: White album, part 5 train, Vanilla Ice, Josuke vs Kira and Valentine.
I like how iggys design changed when he was introduced then later in the story his design changed
Man it’s actually crazy how I go to JoJo breakdown videos when I’m bored
It's important to consider the small bits of character we get of Vanilla, especially considering how shallow most part 3 villains are. Because it was more than the combined efforts of the gang, but Vanilla's absolute loyalty to Dio and nothing vice versa that cost him the fight.
Cool merch and a good video. Today is a good day :D (Also I love the super saturated colors for the anime clips. It looks really nice)
Easily my favorite fight along with the Joseph vs Wamuu. This is just such a good damn fight I love it
man glad someone talk about this fight, my favourite one of part 3 for sure
Finally someone covers my favorite fight of the 8 parts (part 9s not done since i last checked a month or two ago)
Polnareff goes from being a comic relief character who gets attacked by every Stand in a 50 mile radius the INSTANT he is by himself to an irreplaceable member of The Squad™. The moment he accepts his fate and says goodbye to Iggy is heartbreaking. It comes full circle when he meets Dio on the stairs and calls out to Avdol and Iggy to give him courage 🥲
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Honestly i love vanilla ice and the stand design of Cream, when i first watched it cream seemed like an unstoppable force and an incredibly overpowered stand, and avdol's death was so quick and it didnt even have fanfare, it was fast and fatal from cream and polnareff is thrown head first into a lethal battle against a seemingly undefeatable foe who already killed his friend
Dio proving once again he’s the least qualified leader by failing to at least instruct Vanilla Ice on what the abilities are directly before sending him on an ambush mission.
The great thing about this fight is the opposite of what most popular media action scenes have right now. In pop media, the main characters gets thrown around and each attack is largely inconsequential and we expect it to be that way. This is very different from that - in the Vanilla Ice fight, we realize that just getting hit is instant death, and the Avdol death made it very clear that the main characters are NOT SAFE in this fight - and even the main characters are in complete disbelief on how quickly they can just get eliminated when they even make a small error.
We don't feel that same dread in most Hollywood movies anymore, and one of the last ones to do so was movies like Terminator 2 - when being within range of the main villain means instant death - and not being thrown around wire fu style.
Yeah this is easily the most memorable fight in any media for me
Is that the name of this kind of story where every other episodes of fight were like a tournament kind of thing? Kind of like the sound of battle fiction
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Happy 100k !! 🎉
the Vanilla Ice arc + the DIO's World arc were such a great way to end SC
It really sad to when you think about it everything that spurned polnariff forward was the loss of someone he cares for: his sister death is what got him on his quest for J.gile and crossed his fate with meeting dio and getting pulled into the whole jojo bloodline battle, avdol’s death gave him the resolve not to flee the mansion and to push forward to fight vanilla ice, iggy’s death gave him a second wind through rage/resolve not to give in to defeat…..he has his moments where he acts tough and cocky in a fight and he has skill for sure, but it’s only when he loses someone important in his life is when his true strength gets revealed, imagine how sad it is to be considered a hero but your greatest growth is from failing to save the ones you love
5:29 Nice callback to "It was me diorite!"
Bittersweet. That's the word you're looking for.
5:30 can someone tell me where did he get the t pose avodol model from
i never even knew people hated polnareff i thought everyone just hated joshus weird ass
same lol i thought he was a fan favorite
@@FrogLightMan yea I loved him he's a goofy boy
i remember reading part 3 and getting seriously excited by the annubis fight, then this one blew my mind
I started out as a Jojo hater when I started watching Part 3, and the Vanilla Ice fight is what truly made me take a step back and realize that I loved JoJo
13:10 When I first saw it, made me tear up a bit. By that point, had warmed up quite a bit to Iggy and started to quite like him.
That shoulder bump was top tier finish.
Polnareff vs Vanilla Ice is by far my favorite battle of part 3
When Avdol died I thought it was another fakeout and was shocked that he actually died
the craziest thing i learned from this video was that some people dont like Polnaref
This is one of the greatest fights in part 3
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proud of the growth you’re experiencing rn man, love your work!
You brought back memories of the 1st time I cried to an anime
So in the end it, where we, like Polnereff, thought answer #3 would be the final result of the Vanilla Ice encounter, it was Answer #2 that happened and his friend Iggy saved Polnereff.
I love Polnareff, I honestly can’t believe most people hate/dislike him.
Polnaref is a 3 dimensional character that is very loyal to the ones who helped him out of the vicious side of anger/revenge. This is the ultimate scene of a trope that jojo does where it's only you and the ones who're on your side. Jojo almost never does that trope of being saved in the last second that most media do. I've realized that triumph is always made by one or a set of characters, they don't rob them of their wins they just show why those characters deserve to be a hero. And this fight was just fucking beautiful, they made you FEEL that head twist and making vanilla ice just some filth that needs to be purged from this plane of existence.
love your content man
Seeing Silver Chariot being pushed to it's limits, fighting where he shouldn't fight... it just pure adrenaline.
I was watching this video sleep deprived on my couch
When I fell asleep META kept talking in my dream while I was Jotaro except I was water and he said How would the Stardust Crusaders handle a Shark Attack