5-Axis Fun! Multi-Part Machining Demo!
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2016
- HAAS UMC-750 SS Demo at Selway Machine Tool courtesy of Tim Paul from Autodesk! Using the ShearHog and demonstrating mid-program probing routines! Programmed with HSMWorks!
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Easily up there as one of your best videos John!! I loved it. Thanks so much to Selway & Tim for that, loads of great tidbits.
I love the UMC750. I may have bought one of those over my VF4, but I didn't know it existed until I went to my HFO for classes. Maybe one day.
Also, your enthusiasm is infectious! Keep up the great work that you are doing for the community and continue to teach and inspire.
Tim
Motorcitymachining
My little Clausing 8530 came from Selway Machine Tools in 1968 I think. I was just looking through the paperwork for it and found some sales advertising for Clausing lathes and mills in the packet. Really cool stuff.
Do more videos with this guy! Would love to hear more about ramp angles
Watching a machine run is like watching the campfire you set up and lit. I could just pull out a lawn chair and a beer and enjoy every minute. I love just sitting by my 440 and hearing it run while watching these vids. Great stuff!!
Most shops I've worked at don't allow phones :) let alone lawn chairs
Great video John! Thanks for sharing. Tim's game is on-point! I like that you guys actually touch on some of the aspects of probing that are actually valuable! Rather than guys who buy probes just to pick up part corners. Pretty easy to get excited about this stuff huh! I love your enthusiasm! I have been doing this 20 years, and I still get excited myself. Maybe someday I will be half the machinist your buddy Tim there is.
Can't believe I missed this video. Love watching the legendary Tim Paul ripping it up. Autodesk legend right there ;-)
Very impressive. I like the approach of modifying G54 for each of the 2 parts in the VMC.
Absolutely loved this video. I agree, more videos with this system. Not going to blow smoke, i don't understand what all was said. I love technology and accuracy. It really impresses you when you hear someone speaking, and you know they know everything about the machine. dimensions, clearances, just love it
Thank You so much.
Hi! Sarah from Raptor here. This is such a great video! Absolutely awesome. Thank you for mentioning us. I just followed you and look forward to checking out all your other videos.
we got a UMC-750 ss in early 2016 at my work. it's a great machine other than there are still so many bugs in the software and some functionality that the pre gen2 software had that this one doesn't; Like side by side editing, copying to MDI and some other minor things which are neuscances more than anything until you learn and adapt to it over time. I love how fluent the controls make the motions though from one direction to the other. makes it seem a bit more like our okuma that we have. The B and C axis are fast which is a plus and I love the fact that DWO is available in this software.... had to write my own 'DWO' macro for our VF6-TR
What a badass machine!! Never had the privilege to run a Haas 5 axis but would love to have one.
awesome...and then some!
I was there! It was fantastic!
I don't care about crappy view because of the coolant, big amount of coolant is normal for milling aluminum, and you have to gain/grow faith in your program and yourself because you cant see anything by eye during milling.
The point of the video was on the potential of the software and the machine itself. GREAT VIDEO and I just started to view your videos. I'm working whit Hurco vmx24HSi whit additional Kitagawa 4axis (A axis) and video like this helps to learn some small tricks of the trade.
Awesome video!
That is awesome video. I'm interesting the fixture mount multi parts and use probe for check part and set work offset using variable value. At my shop, they did not those advance of probe. Where can I learn this stuff? Thank you for this video
When hogging, depth of cut is the #1 factor in reducing run times, given fixture work holding rigidity, tooling rigidity, and machine power are in order.
5 axis is really dope , you can get any angle you want
Nice video. Thank you
Nice Video John! I know that it was just a demo part but really a perfect part for a forth axis tombstone on the VF2SS. Could fit 16-20 parts on 2 sides of the tombstone and then turn them to the final position on the other 2 sides of the tombstone. Put in 16-20 blocks, switch parts from position one to position 2, and remove 16-20 parts per cycle. Long unattended cycle times with minimal tool changes if programmed correctly. Some parts do benefit from 5 axis but very few in truth.
Sure am glad that you know what he was talking about! But I always find it interesting.
*I love the sound at **2:35*
Draco Rodriguez that is the Shear-hog song!
Good god those axes can move quickly!
A inserted face mill @ min 20:00 is entering the work piece, and exiting the work piece at a slower feed rate than between, over the work piece. I assume that may help cutter wear, but also increases run time. I guess it depends on how much the inserts cost. I have never seen a variable feed, (in one cut), before. Is that a canned cycle?
Loved the demo but missed not seeing the end product in close up. OCD rules again!
that Haas is awesome. how does yours compare. when will it arrive?
i must job on CNCs :,,,,,
great for you that can joy those magnificent machines :D
You're gonna need a cover for them Trunnion later for sure 😄😄
That was awesome. Hearing that the macro functionality is already in Inventor makes me sad that I just switched to Fusion after my student license of Inventor ran out. But it's still totally amazing.
I believe they said it's on its way to Fusion... or maybe that was just the probing.
Keith Strang I'm pretty sure the probing was part of the macro system. You're right they did say it's coming to fusion this month, or maybe next I think. But it's just a tad bit annoying that I can't play with the cool new thing right now.
Sorry I missed the event last night. Is there a webinar recorded?
the Rapid traverse from the c-axis looks so low. really slow
btw. which control is it?
it would be cool to se the cad programing for tis clipp CHEERZZ!!
nice machine, by the way the coolant pressure on that first run DOESN'T need to be that high, in the Haas tips videos, they show a tool stop plug screwed into the collet of the tool holder; this has a SMALL hole, thus giving a low feed rate of thru hole coolant, Haas says this plug can be removed for thru hole coolant tooling where a high flow rate of coolant is needed, can also save on pump wear too !!
Great!!!
im curious about this , how many datum , u made ? one datum for each one ? or just one datum for all 4 ?
Hello my name is Omar.
I would like to know what kind of holder fixture you are using?
Thanks in advance.
5:17 I assume that through coolant is just coming out of the ER collet slits?
I think that is a Hydraulic holder, all of the ones I have, have channels that run up on the sides of the tool for through coolant.
Are thou's machines fusion 360 compatable?
Seems like when the 750 ss was dry running over the previously machined parts it was still taking off a little material on one side of the parts in the X axis. Does that speak to the repeatability of the positioning or CTE of the axis?
NYC CNC t
What about a quick Rain-X wipedown before any camera shooting? It may not hold up for for very long, but it might help for these cool shots.
NYC CNC
No. bad idea.
Never use cleaners or chemicals like that. Screws with the coolant
Just use fresh coolant in a spray bottle to clean down the inside of the machines.
And the fact it's clinging to the glass like that tells me they are heavy on their coolant mix. It should sheet right off the glass pretty cleanly.
Great idea, there's better stuff than Rain-X about these days though - Aquapel, GTechniq G5 and G1 all perform better and last way longer than Rain-X.
Occams Sawzall Rain-x dries on the glass it would not mix with your Coolant. But don't think it would hold up for to many jobs.
jason underwood
Rain X is a alcohol/ dimethyl silicon/ petroleum based product.
Coolant contains emulsifiers designed to allow oil and water to combine.
Coolant hits the rain X, dried or not, it strips the rain X right off and blends it into your coolant.
Now you have silicants and a bunch of other things in your coolant system. It doesn't take much either. Put like 5 drops of dish detergent into your washing machine and see how little of something can go a very long way
Good to know. Thanks!
nice
5 Axis is amazing technology! That is a SMALL 5 axis BTW.... lol. Check out Hermle C 42 U MT. The shop i work for has one. Its a mill/turn. Its quite impressive!
Why not put a windshield wiper on the sliding door?
Coolant is not water, it is oily stuff and it would smear all over.
thanking
You think it has enough coolant?
How do you not constantly crash your CNC? My homemade CNC runs slow enough that I can stop it before it runs into something, but yours are so insanely fast!
they run the first part slow and in single step mode, once everything is working, they crank it up to 100% and let it run :)
ipadize
Nah. Once you setup up your CAM system with tools and toolholders and are diligent with making sure they're defined right. Simulation with the machine model is pretty much right on and you can be confident enough to load and go
Thanks for the info! What happens if a cutter breaks midway anyway? I once lost a tooth. I only found out afterwards and its almost invisible, but it made the cutter wander around in wavy lines.
Max Maker
A lot of machines now have automatic tool breakage detection which stops the program if it detects a broken tool. Or you can program it to use an identical tool somewhere else in the machine if it does detect a tool break.
If you don't have that on you machine it's just like any other broken tool you have to deal with. But if you know your S&F's tool. Breakage doesn't occur very often.
With the HSM products & the Haas posts, you just have to turn on Tool breakage control, then it will post out a probe check between tool changes. If it brakes mid operation, then there's no helping that. Just between ops or tool changes.
I was wondering for just how long you guys have been working in this profession - just to get an idea about how much time you've had to gather the vast amount of knowledge and experience you have :)
Btw, some of your videos are used for educational purposes at the school I go to during my apprenticeship - that's how I got here :b
Cheers from a machinist learning the trade in Denmark :)
It's still about 6-7 years more than me :D
That I believe! He seems to know his stuff quite well! :b
@@PatrickJoergensenDid you make it after 6-7 years? Genuinely wondering 🤔
@@rakhoo5236 yes; going on my 6th year at the place I work at 😁
Still enjoy the trade as much as back then ✌️
any literature you can recommend so that I can teach my self some of that probing MV with probing?
I use MastercamX9 at work
ive always been a haas fan, worked on a bunch and if nothing else, their controllers are the easiest to use.
What material is being machined here?
why doesnt the 750 has a top plate?
Nice. Although I will stick with my Brother machine at home :P
John, I'm curious, how long would the shear hog last at that speed. I've just bought a shear hog and am wondering if it would make sense to run it this fast. My setup would be at least as rigid as that of Tim Paul's since it's a much heavier 3 axis. Another question regarding shear hog, the single flute 3/4" is supposed to be ok for plunging, can it be used for plunge milling?
Naresh Sharma the 3/4" is the weakest of all of our Shear-hogs so I would definitely not run it as fast as Tim. As to plunge milling, all of the single flute Shear-hogs can plunge mill, mill, ramp, and drill.
Hi Alfred, thanks for the response. I need to make a hole around 20mm in dia 102mm deep and some steep wall material removal (1-2mm radial), but with an overhang of 104mm. The speed is not important . The $$ cutters that I have are not upto the task(they started squealing), a drill cannot do it due to other geometry around, so it needs to be milled. After looking at some videos I decided to give SH787-6 a try. It will be held in an ER32 collet. If the SH787-6 does not cut it I do have a backup solution to use a solid carbide 16mm x 140 EM. The only thing is to avoid vibration. Its still on the way here (from your facility to Europe), but when it arrives, I'll love to have some feed and speeds recipes for 7075T6 and the shear hog. I'll be using high pressure coolant from outside.
Naresh Sharma ok. Keep in mind that all Shear-hogs are roughing tools and will not cut a straight wall. That being said I think it will do what you are explaining. I generally tell people to start around 2000sfm (9700rpm for your cutter) 4mm DOC and 200IPM but if you're plunging you will want to decrease your feed a lot . Maybe as low as 30IPM and then go way up if you can. Mostly depends on your hp at the spindle.
+Alfred Lyon thanks. Once I have it with me I'll write to Jon Baker and have him share the email with you too. Btw the spindle is 8000rpm 15 hp.
Oooh! CJ feel that BURN??? ouch!
@19:40 or so, right when starting up the VF2 program :)
rob lockwood
Hi, i'm starting to build a cnc to cut parts for 4.5 meter plywood sail boats here in the Philippines, i have all the templates on paper drawings, is it possible, if i lay the drawings on the bed of the cnc and use the point of the cutter as a way of telling the computer its location if i put to pointer on a specific point on the drawing and i keep doing it on every point where there is a direction change ??? sort of reverse engineering
If your machine uses a closed loop positioning system, then it will know where the cutter is when you push it by hand.
I'm sure there is software which could assist you, but for simple shapes it'll be easy enough to type the gcode program as you go
As my dad always said. An inch is as good as a mile
Makes my home CNC looks like a shopping trolly compared to a Ducati
that's a hell of a lot of coolant
not really..at work my machine uses much more and higher pressure coolant
Presumably half your comments are that, and the other half are
"That's a hell of a lot of bluing..."
:-/
Did I hear 30 millionths off? Hell, big enough gap to throw a cat through.....thanks for the vid. Wouldn't a squeegee be the better choice for cleaning the glass? I'd think it would be. No possibility of scratching then. Those machines are really amazing.
FWIW that machine cannot machine 30 millionths, cannot accurately measure that dimension, and there is no offset that a user can input that dimension for an offset value. ;-)
I love how you keep calling these "big machines", you spent too much time on the tormach lol. We got a 4 axis CMS Poseidon at my work, you can almost fit a city bus into it's working envelope
I wish my machine had such a quick tool change ... I'm working on one Mikron 850Pro... with Itnc 530... i think she is 17 years old by now.... *sob*
I Have no knowledge at all about this Stuff, but how do you Clean up the machine when its done?
there is like a litle conveier belt which carrys out the chips
some have water hose just for washing it, if i remember correctly
NYC CNC thanks for answering. Cant wait to see you use the New machine. Love your vids and enthousiasm.
Wich water gun do you use to clean your machines? I have a gardena but its not very good for coolant (Im german)
brothers.
очень хороший пример не оптимального использования 5х координатного станка, и кривой программы). И все равно в деле 3х координатный. И фрезы на нем с покрытием для обработки стали, там и геометрия для стали - более тупой угол. Плюс измерение по 2 раза, и инструмент по 2 раза один и тот же берется. Эх вас бы у нас на заводе по оборонке уволили бы уже давно))
Видео красивое, спасибо!
has tim paul a youtube chanel?
okay thx ;)
.025 is a mile of clearance
@0:19 that's what she said. ;)
we have this machine at school, students aren't allowed to use it
casper nonkes lol I wonder why
Ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy.
bipbip la fraiseuse
A machine this size should have at least a complete machine enclosure.
1 advantage of the open roof is that it can dry much faster and the oil evaporates than going into the coolant tank..
ugh ditch those block numbers. h8 block numbers, they make beautiful code look like a jumbled mess
Robert Graham
How else do you read code?
I'm surprised he didn't have a cover for his tool probe on that VF mill.
please send me 3d file. thanks
Good machining is better than sex. :)
If only HAAS machines didn't go to shit after 2 years of use.
Slow machine.....
Bitte nich auf Menschen filmen sonder auf maschine interrresant sind die maschinen was die machen gerade und nicht die leute DANKESCHÖN