The Darien Venture: The Colony that Bankrupted Scotland

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  • If a Nation’s wealth and power were to be measured in stubbornness, resilience, and inventiveness, rather than GDP, Scotland would be a top-5 Superpower. The people that brought to you televisions, refrigerators, penicillin, and gin & tonic have gone through many a rough patch throughout their history. Very often, hard times were related to their rocky relationship with their Southern neighbours, the English.
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  • @geographicstravel
    @geographicstravel  4 роки тому +35

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    • @yondie491
      @yondie491 4 роки тому +4

      Holy balls, how many channels can one man read aloud for?

    • @Lufefe
      @Lufefe 3 роки тому +2

      Allegedly 😀

    • @LeeryMuscrat
      @LeeryMuscrat 3 роки тому

      @@Lufefe 😃😃😃

    • @colonisedtartan9539
      @colonisedtartan9539 2 роки тому

      Scotland is a colony of London Westminster Whitehall England 🇬🇧 full stop .

  • @jakeweber1115
    @jakeweber1115 4 роки тому +312

    The Russian colonies in Alaska would make for a good episode. I liked reading about them

    • @thedarkdragon1437
      @thedarkdragon1437 3 роки тому +14

      let's just sell our own people...russia at it's finest

    • @hamarbiljungskile8953
      @hamarbiljungskile8953 3 роки тому +4

      @@thedarkdragon1437 Oh, wow, must be hard going out of your way to hate an entire nation.

    • @thedarkdragon1437
      @thedarkdragon1437 3 роки тому +4

      @@hamarbiljungskile8953 not rly that hard to not like the whole humanity

    • @1220b
      @1220b 3 роки тому +5

      Yes ! I thought I was the only one. Try the rabbit hole of Eskimos visiting Scotland.

    • @jessicaevans7847
      @jessicaevans7847 3 роки тому

      Cuz those were real pivotal to history.

  • @Terelamans
    @Terelamans 4 роки тому +166

    I live here in Panama. And Darien is probably one of the most beautiful, green, warm and mysterious places I have visited. You certainly know how to tell a story. Thank you.

    • @CrazyBear65
      @CrazyBear65 4 роки тому +8

      You're lucky. I get sick of the heat and bugs in Florida, I could only imagine how intense it is in Panama.

    • @joe18425
      @joe18425 4 роки тому +5

      Yeah well they missed out.
      If Scotland was successful just think of the chip shops.

    • @22steve5150
      @22steve5150 4 роки тому +3

      Starvation, disease, and the inability to stay on good terms with the natives doomed European colonies in the new world from Massachusets in the North down to Argentina in the South.

    • @ce1834
      @ce1834 3 роки тому +1

      isnt the Darien Gap full of cartels and extremely dangerous, or is this part of a bigger area called Darien?

    • @Terelamans
      @Terelamans 3 роки тому +6

      @@ce1834 Hi. Darien is huge. It is one area. It is jungle, islands, beautiful ocean. Every where you go in Darien is different. There are very poor areas, with the displaced from the war in Colombia, who traveled very dangerous jungle to get there. But the area where they settled is breathe taking. I traveled for five years there to teach. It is a complicated area. With very interesting indegenous folks, lovely people, and very proud settlers. We are fighting so they never open the gap because it would ruin the ecosystem.

  • @stephaneclerc667
    @stephaneclerc667 4 роки тому +304

    "Alfred, pack the wigs!"
    -"Which ones sir?"
    -"All of them, for Christ sake!"

    • @mariakelly5
      @mariakelly5 4 роки тому +9

      Yes, it was widely known that one couldn't go to Central America without their wigs.

    • @RagingDong
      @RagingDong 4 роки тому +2

      Probally the only trade goods produced in scootland

    • @corryjookit7818
      @corryjookit7818 4 роки тому +3

      @@RagingDong You lookin ' for trouble ? Well you've come to the right place,. Unless you want to misbelieve that crap you just posted. You can't have a whisky tonight for New Year if you won't take it back.. In fact next time you need antibiotics you won't get any, as the Scot who invented them won't have done so in your eyes. No Penicillin either. You can say goodbye to your Wi fi and anything you have which connects you to those you would castigate. Those people are too glorious to have to come across your Criminal Crap.

    • @RagingDong
      @RagingDong 4 роки тому +1

      @@corryjookit7818 Sorry, mustve hit a bit of a nerve there.
      I know fully well how much has been contributed by scots, im cornish so i am fond of celts.
      I was just taking the piss.

    • @RagingDong
      @RagingDong 4 роки тому

      @@corryjookit7818 Irish whiskey > scottish whiskey

  • @iammaxhailme
    @iammaxhailme 4 роки тому +395

    >The ship sailed 500 miles, and then 500 miles, and so on
    why you cheeky

    • @Dave_Sisson
      @Dave_Sisson 4 роки тому +25

      It's a reference to a song by The Proclaimers from their album 'Sunshine on Leith' which is also referenced a few seconds earlier.

    • @iammaxhailme
      @iammaxhailme 4 роки тому +8

      @@Dave_Sisson yeah I know

    • @prigemini
      @prigemini 4 роки тому +4

      caught that immediately, chuckled a bit

    • @neiana
      @neiana 4 роки тому +1

      He made a mistake by saying landfall instead of saying something like going ashore.

    • @neiana
      @neiana 4 роки тому +7

      @@Dave_Sisson One wonders if you are aware of the term cheeky and how it is used.

  • @lkrnpk
    @lkrnpk 4 роки тому +88

    ''Darien will be the door of the seas, the key of the Universe''
    I see that overselling your venture and generating unreasonable levels of hype about it is not the invention of the 21st century tech bros

  • @the-chillian
    @the-chillian 4 роки тому +200

    As Terry Pratchett put it: "...the ... Scots, locked throughout history in a long, drawn-out battle with their arch-enemies the Scots..."

    • @KeithWilliamMacHendry
      @KeithWilliamMacHendry 4 роки тому +13

      The opinion of an pair of idiots counts for nothin. Ya pair o Morris dancin BawBags. We will have the last laugh on the Germanic Englanders conquered by a mere 9000 Normans. GIRUPY

    • @UKchronics
      @UKchronics 4 роки тому +11

      @@KeithWilliamMacHendry i doubt the English are intimidated by people who think wearing a dress is manly lol

    • @LB-ou8wt
      @LB-ou8wt 4 роки тому +13

      Slim Kim I gurantee you whoever your ancestors were they once wore dresses

    • @tonyplaysthemambo
      @tonyplaysthemambo 4 роки тому +19

      Brothers and sisters are natural enemies. Like Englishmen and Scots. Or Welshmen and Scots. Or Japanese and Scots. Or Scots and other Scots. Damn Scots they ruined Scotland!

    • @owenrobertson5043
      @owenrobertson5043 4 роки тому +3

      @@tonyplaysthemambo yes, you certainly are a contentious bunch

  • @banksarenotyourfriends
    @banksarenotyourfriends 4 роки тому +54

    8:52 The Unicorn isn't just *any* mythical beast, it's the National Animal of Scotland...

    • @outlawJosieFox
      @outlawJosieFox 4 роки тому +1

      Really? Because UKIP stole it !! Isn't the unicorn the national symbol of Brexit?

    • @banksarenotyourfriends
      @banksarenotyourfriends 4 роки тому +5

      @@outlawJosieFox No the symbol for Brexit is almost identical to the Union Jack, but it's on fire.

    • @Stettafire
      @Stettafire 3 роки тому +1

      @@outlawJosieFox UKIP isn't even an official party anymore so whatever symbol they had I'd now meaningless

    • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
      @Allan_aka_RocKITEman 3 роки тому +1

      I thought the _Haggis_ was Scotland's National Animal...😉

  • @zachwesterfield9066
    @zachwesterfield9066 4 роки тому +119

    In all fairness, the Darien Gap is, to this day, has not been tamed by man. Its the only reason there is not a trans-america high way, and its not from a lack of effort.

    • @ravenknight4876
      @ravenknight4876 4 роки тому +1

      Damn.

    • @ravenknight4876
      @ravenknight4876 4 роки тому +1

      Damn

    • @bushmanPMRR
      @bushmanPMRR 4 роки тому +30

      It may be of interest to you, Google Land Rover Trans Americas Expedition. Soon after the Range Rover was launched in 1970
      two of them covered the entire 18,000 miles in 1971 from Anchorage to Terra Del Fuego and by far the biggest obstacle was the Darien Gap. The expedition took six months in which the 250 mile Darian Gap took around 100 days in itself!
      IIRC to date, these are the only two cars in the world to have completed that journey. They are still around, one at the Gaydon Heritage museum in Warwickshire and the other is in the Dunsfold Collection.

    • @ASJyirod
      @ASJyirod 3 роки тому +2

      Too many factors that disallows man to alter the environment...Jaguars and snakes really don’t help neither

    • @timcutler4708
      @timcutler4708 3 роки тому +4

      It is virtually impossible to obtain permission to visit the bay. I tried for a year to sponsor a research and mapping expedition.

  • @petergambier
    @petergambier 4 роки тому +29

    Thanks for this fascinating story Simon. It's hard to imagine life without instant communication and motorised travel. Even harder would be going to work every day, feeling like shite, covered in boils, and a crazy fear of the supernatural.

  • @ApemanMonkey
    @ApemanMonkey 4 роки тому +40

    Just last year my internet startup was thwarted by Spaniards armed to the teeth.

  • @gangsterpenguin8709
    @gangsterpenguin8709 4 роки тому +69

    Well I would sail 500 miles and I would sail 500 more

    • @davidsedio
      @davidsedio 4 роки тому +7

      Nice nod to the Proclaimers song! "When I wake up..."

  • @MonteCristoAUS
    @MonteCristoAUS 4 роки тому +53

    Would you consider doing a sequel to this video? The French attempted to colonise Panama about 200 years after the Scots, with pretty much the same results.

    • @pauls3204
      @pauls3204 4 роки тому +1

      That does not suit the current political argument that the msm and same old same old cunts are promoting.
      Can't even be bothered watching the rest of this duffers video, and pretty sure he never mentions the actual fact the King James was the power who made the English investors withdraw their money from the venture, also does he mention the English navy standing by when the Spanish attacked the Scots settlers?

    • @ramjb
      @ramjb 4 роки тому +18

      @@pauls3204 Which part of the meaning of "independence" you're missing here?.
      Scotland wanted to act as an independent nation, and assert that status. Which was perfectly legitimate. But as independent sovereigns of your own nation and state you should also be independent protectors of your interests. If you're claiming to the four winds how independent you are but then you expect a foreign country to come and protect you when you're in trouble, or to expect no consequences when you launch ventures that will damage another nation's economic interests to favor yours, yet you expect that nation to do nothing to protect itself or even go to war with a third power you've managed to piss off on your own, then what you want isn't independence to begin with. You want the benefits of being independent, but taking none of the responsabilities that come from the status you want to attain.
      Genius, you. But things don't work that way.
      Namely, Darien was a SCOTTISH colony founded by a SCOTTISH enterprise to favor SCOTTISH independence from England by establishing a business that would heavily damage a BRITISH economic venture (that of the EIC).
      Then why on earth are you complaining that the ENGLISH banned their own population from investing in a venture that would damage english economic interests, that the ENGLISH boykotted the enterprise whenever their could, or that ENGLISH armed assets didn't bust ass to go to a war against a foreign power to protect something that wasn't ENGLISH to begin with, and that actually was founded to hurt english economic interests to begin with?.
      Or is that independence only works when it's favorable to you, but you don't want to deal with the obvious consequences and demands that come attached to it?. Like dealing with your own damned problems without expecting someone you say is foreign to come and help you, just because you want/need them to, even when it actually doing so would be against their own interests as an (also independent) nation?.
      You want to live as an independent country, with your own rules, reach and influence, self-government,etc. All of that is a legitimate wish, I don't have anything against that. But then stop asking for help from the nation you claim to be independent from whenever the going gets rough. And stop complaining when you get none of that. Simple, huh?.
      You want independence, then want it with all consequences, which means your people and nation covers for your own enterprises and not expecting "daddy england" to come and help you out of nowhere, for no good reason and in fact against their own interests.
      And this is a spaniard talking, I'm not english, I don't have any special liking towards them nor I have any special animosity against the scots (in fact if anything I have a deep sympathy for you given how fucked you've been by the whole brexit stupidity when the scots didn't want it at all). But that doesn't mean I don't get completely sick with arguments like this: if you want something, then accept the whole consequences and responsabilities of attaining whatever you want. Otherwise, stop pushing for it, FFS.

    • @tomdolan9761
      @tomdolan9761 3 роки тому +2

      I assume you're referring Delessep's misadventure to build the canal

    • @jessicamorris4748
      @jessicamorris4748 3 роки тому +2

      @@pauls3204 Actually he does mention that King James had English citizens divest and that his order prevented the first group of colonists from obtaining more supplies.

    • @BradSchmor
      @BradSchmor 2 роки тому

      @@pauls3204 someone's still butthurt over the whole ordeal 300 years later.

  • @hunterG60k
    @hunterG60k 4 роки тому +343

    It's not massively surprising that a bunch of Scots didn't fair well in the equatorial jungle, we're used to our rain being cold
    Edited: Dear lord, people, it was a joke!

    • @Meeckle
      @Meeckle 4 роки тому +16

      Aye

    • @rachelgreig1939
      @rachelgreig1939 4 роки тому

      @@Meeckle 😂😂😂

    • @haolihfaioefh
      @haolihfaioefh 4 роки тому +12

      In retrospect, this makes perfect sense. XD We cannae handle hot places!

    • @bearnunnemaker5453
      @bearnunnemaker5453 4 роки тому +3

      @@haolihfaioefh Then ya best not be a sinner or you're goin to hell.!!!
      😜😜😜😜

    • @hunterG60k
      @hunterG60k 4 роки тому +1

      @nil by mouth I considered adding that :)

  • @bumblesquatable
    @bumblesquatable 4 роки тому +9

    Nice touch to quote Burns at the end. :)

  • @MrPoupard
    @MrPoupard 4 роки тому +5

    Absolutely brilliant. I'm Scottish and had no idea. Thank you.

  • @euanmarley7421
    @euanmarley7421 4 роки тому +5

    It is not actually true that Scotland was bankrupted by the failure of the colony. Some individuals were bankrupted by its failure, but that is not the whole nation.

    • @smcp5044
      @smcp5044 9 місяців тому

      This is true, it was a privately funded venture. It allowed England to bribe the Scots Nobel's that lost money investing in the scheme, bribe them to sign up to the Union.

  • @aidan8473
    @aidan8473 4 роки тому +10

    I love that your channel covers stuff I haven't seen on like Wendover or Lemmino. Just really cool stuff you're covering, I really like the work being done here. Thanks

  • @Knifeys
    @Knifeys 4 роки тому +13

    to be fair to them - having the foresight for the precursor to the actual panama canal (something they wouldn't have deemed possible) does seem like a pretty smart idea on the face of it all... but theres always logistics..

    • @bradypostma5167
      @bradypostma5167 4 роки тому

      Imagine if they had succeeded! Imagine a Panama crossing two hundred years earlier, and Scotland controlling the great bottleneck of the world, charging tolls at the crossroads between Europe and the New World! What a shocking new world that would have been!

  • @bl7355
    @bl7355 4 роки тому +44

    Can everybody stop flapping about this fish argument please. It is a complete red herring.

  • @viper6257
    @viper6257 4 роки тому +49

    Paradise to me does not involve sweating in a bug and poison infested jungle. I’ll stay on the northern half of the globe thank you very much

    • @HyperionaSilverleaf
      @HyperionaSilverleaf 4 роки тому +5

      Same.

    • @bullie86
      @bullie86 4 роки тому +12

      Panama is about 1000km above the equator, so still northern hemisphere...

    • @garretth8224
      @garretth8224 4 роки тому +2

      @Mark Thomas Its a great idea to let venomous snakes and insects crawl all over you. Its pretty easy to make a raised bed.

    • @Ross-ch9vv
      @Ross-ch9vv 4 роки тому +2

      @Mark Thomas that sounds like an absolutely horrible experience. I feel pretty safe knocking it lol

    • @viper6257
      @viper6257 4 роки тому +1

      Mark Thomas what type of machete? I have a good collection of axes but no machetes and I’d love a new project. I appreciate all the info btw

  • @burants89
    @burants89 3 роки тому +25

    Thanks for this, I'd to explain to fellow Scots that this led to the union between Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 and England and in all fairness we did go on to create the empire that the sun never set on although we never see the sun here for it always rains

    • @ewangent
      @ewangent 5 місяців тому

      True, if Darien was a success it's unlikely North America would have so many pockets of Scots migrants.

    • @chosenundead6376
      @chosenundead6376 4 місяці тому

      id also like to explain to my fellow Scots that Scotland wasn't actually bankrupt they lost 160k, England at the time was in 18m debt, only some of their rich nobles lost money, who were later bribed with lands in the Caribbean and money paid towards them if they voted in favour of the union, also an entire party was paid by England to vote in favour of it, lets not forget they station soldiers in ulster and the English border with threats of invasion if it wasn't accepted. now the scheme itself why was the architect of this scheme supporter of the king who made sure it failed. William was meant to be king of Scotland also but used the navigation act to stop Scottish trading with colonies, and convinced Dutch and Portuguese not to help either? then when Scotland was on its knees they introduced the alien act a few years later which treated all Scottish lands as foreigners in England which lead to confiscations and a trade embargo which accounted for half of Scottish trade at the time. so no we were part of the colonial empire of England built they just used the term "British" to make it look like we are all same people. we are not. yes some like all colonised nations accepted it but it wasn't wanted in Scotland at all their was marshal law imposed due to numerous riots all over Scotland because of it. the ones who didn't accept the union had their lands stripped and sent to the colonies as prisoners.
      TLDR: the union was a lie it was forced and it was never wanted, now Scotland Wales and Ireland are last bastions of English colonialism. in 10 years time the union wont exist. thank god

    • @Allapa-im9jr
      @Allapa-im9jr 4 місяці тому

      ​@@chosenundead6376Give your Irish plastic Paddy slave mentality a rest, as beautiful as it is, you dont want to wear it out. Save it for when you beg on all fours and bark.
      Scotland is not Ireland, never was like Ireland and has nothing in common with Ireland, Scotland was every bit an ambitiously imperial nation, arguably even more so than England, and it is not and never was a colony. Great Britain came to be only because the Kingdom of England (with the Principality of Wales) entered into a union with the Kingdom of Scotland which then led to the Kingdom of Great Britain, which, was after a Scottish crown take over 104 years earlier.

  • @alexharris1527
    @alexharris1527 4 роки тому +1

    Never really payed attention to history in school, well didnt pay attention to much of anything in school, but now here I am binge watching these videos. Just completely fascinated by history. My new found fondness for learning is shocking to me, and how knowledgeable most of the people in the comments are as well is amazing. Maybe the world isnt as rotten and doomed as I thought. All of you rock!!! Thank you!!!!!

  • @iantait309
    @iantait309 3 роки тому +4

    The Smoothing Iron was not invented to smooth clothes but to kill the eggs of parasites in the clothes.

  • @s.tagerius2514
    @s.tagerius2514 4 роки тому +133

    0:28 It actually wasn't their only attempt, as they colonised Nova Scotia.

    • @lennox285679
      @lennox285679 4 роки тому +70

      The French colonized Acadia and the English conquered it. Lots of Scottish people moved there yes, but the Kingdom of Scotland never controlled it.

    • @cameronsteele7012
      @cameronsteele7012 4 роки тому +17

      @@lennox285679 Actually they did for a short time before being pushed out by the English.

    • @willdornan9929
      @willdornan9929 4 роки тому +15

      That wasn’t colonisation that was the highland clearances. Very different....

    • @calvinndallas3289
      @calvinndallas3289 4 роки тому +22

      Cameron Steele the Scottish government itself never had any internationally recognized control of the province. Official control went from the French flag to the British flag.
      📜 REALFACTSMATTER
      📜 POLITICALSCIENCE1987
      📜 INDEPENDENTSINCE1988

    • @TheWolfsnack
      @TheWolfsnack 4 роки тому +4

      ...which if course has a more normal climate.....wet, cold....

  • @CommodoreFloopjack78
    @CommodoreFloopjack78 4 роки тому +20

    "Pistols are necessary if you need to swash and buckle." HAHAHAHAHA!!🤣😂🤣

  • @conner13.c16
    @conner13.c16 2 роки тому +4

    So interesting! I love your videos, and I really appreciate you putting subtitles.
    As an extra fact, nowadays the Darien hasn’t become any kinder to most of companies. Its dense forest is so unforgiving that the pan American highway had to be split in two as it was not possible to build through the jungle. The only businesses that currently operate in that area are drug cartels and sort of.

  • @thenewnormalelnuevonormal6117
    @thenewnormalelnuevonormal6117 4 роки тому +4

    I am from Panama and didn’t know all this, thank you for sharing.
    By the way I love Scotland, being so many times and always surprises me.

  • @Frozensky100
    @Frozensky100 4 роки тому +34

    The company didn’t quite end there. You missed the part where they tried again and traded in slaves and got in with pirates.

    • @danep8553
      @danep8553 4 роки тому +8

      The sequel

    • @rippedtorn2310
      @rippedtorn2310 4 роки тому +4

      aye and that needs taught as well as the trade embargo ..basically if England wasn't at war with us , threatening war with us , then they were at trade war with us ..

    • @IanHallWrites
      @IanHallWrites 4 роки тому +5

      Captain Kidd was sailing home to New York (after which he was arrested and charged with murder) and considered "dropping in" on the Scots at Darien. Read... "Opportunities: Jamie Leith in Darién", available on Amazon in either Kindle or paperback

  • @Jen39x
    @Jen39x 4 роки тому +12

    Well now that’s a piece of history the average US student never heard. How England & Scotland tied the knot.

    • @laceneil4570
      @laceneil4570 3 роки тому +3

      England and Scotland are that couple sitting at a table down the pub ignoring each other, and when they get home they wake up the neighbours with a ding dong row.

  • @luyandzabavukiledlamini4693

    I love your videos Simon and it's amazing how many channels you have to tell great stories in pretty much anything from history to geography and others

  • @rayf8730
    @rayf8730 4 роки тому +4

    "500 miles and then 500 more" I love that little smirk while delivering that line!

  • @Luke..luke..luke..
    @Luke..luke..luke.. 4 роки тому +34

    I can't believe that I have never heard of this critical tipping point in the formation of my nation before!

    • @haolihfaioefh
      @haolihfaioefh 4 роки тому +8

      Same here- what the fuck was my history teacher even doing???

    • @garretth8224
      @garretth8224 4 роки тому +12

      Its common for countries to not teach about their own failures. Japan is definitely one of them.

    • @alan-sk7ky
      @alan-sk7ky 4 роки тому

      I wonder why that might be? ;-)

    • @ianmacfarlane1241
      @ianmacfarlane1241 4 роки тому +7

      @Crankgorilla A "Scottsman"?
      Scotsman.
      And no, no-one would "hiss at you and threaten to kill you".
      Why would they?
      It's a well known fact of Scottish history, albeit a monumental failure, but every country must face it's past.

    • @ianmacfarlane1241
      @ianmacfarlane1241 4 роки тому +1

      @@haolihfaioefh I wouldn't rely on a couple of hours a week over a couple of years to cover the intricacies of World history - particularly if your history teacher was anything like mine.

  • @334outdoors8
    @334outdoors8 4 роки тому +5

    I think it would be cool to see one of these about the Republic of West Florida (1810) and the Republic of East Florida (1812) neither lasted a year before being annexed by the US but it’s local and has some cool history

  • @gfear24
    @gfear24 2 роки тому +2

    Nice, subtle Proclaimers reference. I approve!

  • @malyoung7571
    @malyoung7571 4 роки тому +2

    Really good episode, thankyou Simon.

  • @michaelhowell2326
    @michaelhowell2326 4 роки тому +7

    I'm being extremely patient waiting on the Potala Palace video. But the whole "nobody ever colonized the new world with a wrinkly shirt" made the wait a bit better.

  • @starscream548
    @starscream548 4 роки тому +6

    This is an interesting type of video as it more like the telling of a historical story than the detailed history of a place which I've long wanted to see from this channel and although it may not be a well known story that's irrelevant as learning about a new historical figure/place is always a joy and this video is not exception. Now this doesn't fit the format of "geographics" per say but I'm excited to see more videos of historical stories tied to locations next perhaps you could do Jamestown or the winter that George Washington spent at valley forge or something like that maybe even moorish occupied Spain whatever you decide to make I'll look forward to it and thank you for another wonderful video

    • @geographicstravel
      @geographicstravel  4 роки тому +2

      I’d say that it’s pretty specific to the Darien... but that’s just me :)

  • @scottk4369
    @scottk4369 4 роки тому +2

    I did a semester of research on this in college, looking closely at Wafer's maps. This video is really well done and nails the big impact: the loss of Scotland's hope of independence

  • @kiarya7939
    @kiarya7939 Рік тому +2

    So, I found Simon and his Dungeonettes via CasCrim about a month ago and have been working my way back through the videos on several channels. I have to say now, there are few things more unsettling than seeing the “short beard” for the first time after watching all the Beard Glory in the newer ones 😂❤

  • @SamClaus
    @SamClaus 4 роки тому +17

    Yeah, Panama!! 🇵🇦🇵🇦 Even now days the Darien province is known as El tapón, and it's very hard to cross

    • @MayimHastings
      @MayimHastings 4 роки тому +1

      Samantha Claus If it wasn’t it would be called El Tampon!
      Sorry, I had to say it 🤷🏻‍♀️ Thank you for the education! Hope you are having a lovely day/night 🇺🇸🧡🇵🇦

    • @thepezfeo
      @thepezfeo 4 роки тому +2

      I remember hearing that the Darien Gap had a 50 mile/km(?) wide section with no proper paved roads, which prevents people from being able to drive between North America and South America.

    • @gareth449
      @gareth449 4 роки тому

      @@thepezfeo That and also the Drug cartels in the area and still some Farc members

    • @CrazyBear65
      @CrazyBear65 4 роки тому +1

      El tampón... (Shouldn't it be _La tampón?_ ) LOL!

    • @MayimHastings
      @MayimHastings 4 роки тому

      CrazyBear65 Yeah, sorry, I was full of pain meds that night. Forgot I wrote that 🤣

  • @Josh_Fredman
    @Josh_Fredman 4 роки тому +9

    There's a great rendition of Robert Burns' Parcel o' Rogues poem (from the end of the video) by The Corries. You can find it here on UA-cam!

  • @harrynew340
    @harrynew340 4 роки тому +1

    Nice concise delivery

  • @dawidrzeszutek7468
    @dawidrzeszutek7468 2 роки тому

    Very interesting. Greater well done job about story and good looking editing cuts. Hope to see more from You. Im glad to see it further.

  • @Evanmonster1
    @Evanmonster1 3 роки тому +3

    I happen to be related to James Christy, who was apart of this failed expedition. He was from Stirling, Scotland and had left to embark on this expedition from Leith. On the way back to Scotland they stopped in Hackensack, New Jersey, where he then met his soon to be wife and never went back home. He was the first documented Christy in the American colonies.

    • @Allapa-im9jr
      @Allapa-im9jr 4 місяці тому

      Dude, just say you're an ethnic Yank, as that's what you are.
      Simples..

  • @adamshaw2932
    @adamshaw2932 4 роки тому +27

    Always wanted to learn more about this expedition!
    but is anyone else kinda freaking out that they called a Dolphin a fish?
    idk maybe just me haha

    • @mariakelly5
      @mariakelly5 4 роки тому +2

      I am. Everyone knows that Dolphins are mammals (I think).

    • @Ruby321123
      @Ruby321123 4 роки тому +6

      Technically, there are two creatures both called dolphins, one of which is a fish. The intelligent ones, however, are marine mammals.

    • @resileaf9501
      @resileaf9501 4 роки тому +10

      It was the 1600s. Everything in the water was a fish.

    • @asadb1990
      @asadb1990 4 роки тому +7

      @@resileaf9501 agreed too many people judge the past history with modern standards.

    • @geographicstravel
      @geographicstravel  4 роки тому +11

      Thats what they want you to think... You've got to watch out for them. And the mice.

  • @jeremyelliott8993
    @jeremyelliott8993 4 роки тому

    Great vid! Subscribed after watching. Excellent Content. Thanks!

  • @karligreen5165
    @karligreen5165 4 роки тому +2

    Oh wow!!!! I LOVE 😍 History... And LOVE this channel!!! 😁 👏🏻

  • @williamblaker2628
    @williamblaker2628 4 роки тому +4

    Hmmm - it might've been wise to send a scouting expedition before jumping in with everything.

  • @Duececoupe
    @Duececoupe 4 роки тому +4

    How about a video on The Holy Island of Lindisfarne?
    Phenomenal work troops, as always! 👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻

  • @ricardosoto5770
    @ricardosoto5770 4 роки тому +1

    I has been in Darien... I cannot imagine being there without mosquito nets and insect repellent... and rain, lots of rain.. sideways, up sidedown, small drops, large drops, showers,, and them more rain..

    • @alistairmackintosh9412
      @alistairmackintosh9412 3 роки тому

      Given Scottish weather, and midges, the only difference would be the heat.

  • @the4seasons4ever
    @the4seasons4ever 4 роки тому

    what a great video Simon.thank you.i am a little smarter today learning that which I did not know.

  • @LaurensCorner
    @LaurensCorner 4 роки тому +9

    please do a video on more history of the relationship between the two nations leading up to the present day and the independence movements. @Geographics

  • @downstream0114
    @downstream0114 4 роки тому +14

    Captain Cook for Biographics!

  • @ElimAgate
    @ElimAgate 4 роки тому +2

    Great episode, keep it up !

  • @boudicaastorm4540
    @boudicaastorm4540 Рік тому

    Fascinating, thank you!

  • @tobyeperkins697
    @tobyeperkins697 4 роки тому +7

    I appreciated the brief foray into the Scottish side of the U.K. I would love to hear more of the Scottish and Irish geography and history!

    • @Damo2690
      @Damo2690 4 роки тому

      English and Scottish history are intermixed, Irish and Scottish history less so

    • @reddyshreddy5050
      @reddyshreddy5050 3 роки тому +1

      @@Damo2690 lol what. The Scots came from Ireland! (Or possibly the Irish may have come from Scotland temporarily in ancient times. Plus Ulster and Ulster Scots too.

    • @Allapa-im9jr
      @Allapa-im9jr 4 місяці тому

      ​@@reddyshreddy5050Are you for real? Scots are not and never were Irish. The word 'Gaelic' was not widely used prior to the 16th century, prior to that it's definition used to be synonymous with the word 'Scottis', so not Irish. What you call Scots-Gaidhlig is actually properly called 'Albannach' in its own tongue, which means Scottish, Albannach relates to Alba (Scotland), which itself relates to the island of Great Britain's oldest and most ancient name - 'Albion'.
      Irish-Gaeilge is 'Eirennach' (Irish) in its own language, Eirennach is not as mutually intelligible with Albannach as some people pretend it is, it has no more similarity than focussed braid Scots does with standard English, the reason why is because Albannach is far more the conservative language of the two - having retained most of its ancient forms and changed very little over time, whereas Eirennach (Irish) has evolved and changed a lot over the past thousand years or so.
      Either way though, the word 'Gael' has more to do with France than either Scotland or Ireland, despite what some writers believe, it does relate etymologically to 'Gaul' - which was the name of proto-France during the Pax Romana.
      As does the Greco form 'Galatia'.
      Even the 'Gall' part of the word means 'foreign'.
      In fact it was the Roman - Tacitus himself who believed that the southern Britons (pre-Anglo-Saxon, proto-English in all but name) were partly related to the Gauls - it was from this view of his that modern historians came up with the idea that Britons started as a wave of Celts migrating from Gaul. Even though the word Gaul itself comes from Weidhala (proto Indo-European for 'forest people').
      While the Angles only comprised about 3% to 4% of what is today South-East Scotland and this was due to that part of the land being for a brief period of history a part of the old British kingdom of Northumberland. However the Scottish capital was not Edinburgh at this time (it was Scone), so it would still be inaccurate technically to include them as part of the Scottish population of that era.
      It would be like saying that Newcastle used to be Scoto-Pict because it was colonised by the Scots and held to ransom once after the battle of Newburn, for a time until England paid to have it returned because it was an important source of coal for the English treasury at that time.
      Or to a lesser extent, claiming that Doncaster is Scottish (which technically still has more credibility) because it is still subject to the near 900 year old Treaty of Durham between David I of Scots and Stephen of England and was never formally handed back to England by the Kingdom of Scotland prior to the 1707 Act of Union - which led to the Kingdom of Great Britain.
      Plus, over 87% of all the place names in modern Scotland are still derived from Albannach, this would not have been likely if Scotland has changed too much overtime from foreign influences.
      Incidentally the word Albannach (meaning ‘Scottish’) related to Alba - which is the old Picto-era name of Scotland in that language, and relates directly to the oldest and most ancient name of the island of Great Britain itself - ‘Albion’.
      The national name of 'Scottish' doesn't translate into 'Irish', and Scotti is merely the Latinised form of Scottish, which applied to Scotland and for a time Northern Ulster - or what is now called Northern Ireland.
      The word 'Hiberni' is the Latinised form of 'Irish' and 'Hibernia' is the Latinised form of 'Ireland'.
      Latin speakers saw Ireland initially as just a small British offshore Isle, akin to the Isle of Man (which also used to be a part of the Kingdom of Scotland prior to the Kingdom of Great Britain (1707 - 1801), this is because of the oldest ever and first printed map of Ireland by Claudius Ptolemny the Greek geographer who published this after 140 AD after examining Ireland in meticulous detail and clearly it has the word 'Brit' in the northerly portion of the map.
      Brian Boru was a Scotti, not a Hiberni, so I would agree on that being a title he was once proclaimed as, however he was only later retrospectively claimed to be 'Irish', long after 1542 when Ireland was officially formed as a legitimate nation state for the first time.
      So while he would arguably constitute as Irish today, the problem with that is that he wasn't actually Hiberni in his time (the historic Irish), so he did not identify with it and would therefore not identify himself with the name of Irish, and that's what Irish ultimately means - it's just the Anglicised form of 'Hiberni' - which first started to be used only after Pope Leo X united the whole island under the name of Irish and Ireland regardless of whether they were Hiberni or not, and told the Scots in Ulster they were lying when they said they were Scots and their nation was Scotia, and he accused them of entering a fraudulent claim. so the Scots minority of N. Hibernia became 'Irishised' in later generations, while the Scots of Scotland were never Irish and retain their ancient national identity to this day.
      What this resultantly means is that the Scotti settlers of the North and the Anglo settlers of the South were then also considered 'Irish' from that point onward when historically they were not Hiberni (actual original Irish), the Anglo were allied with the Hiberni against the Scotti settlers of North Ulster and the Scottish from Scotland.
      Even Maewyn Succat of Conchessa and Calpurnius notes the distinction between the Scotti (Scots) and the Hiberni (Irish) in his Epistle to the cheiftain - Corroticus, where he describes the Hiberni/Irish as the 'populi' - the populous of the land, the commoners. And the Scotti as the 'nobilis' - the noble classes, the minority on the land. How the Latin speaking Romans came into contact with the term would be via the native British appellation of the term 'Y-Scot' preserved in what later came to be called 'old Welsh', in reference to the northern kingdom, from which the Latin speaking Romans later Latinised it as 'Scotti', much like the other term 'Pict' which was first found in a written letter to Tacitus by Eumenius in the year 297 in reference to the pre-Christianised of Scotland that would later collectively come to be known as the Scots, which much further back in the mists of time at that point would be from the same Scyt word (hence the term 'Y-Scot').

  • @lys3849
    @lys3849 4 роки тому +8

    Despite how terrible a disaster it was, there's been a long standing joke in my household about us clever Scots going to colonise hot, humid Panama with nothing but wigs and blankets.
    Didn't know about the fight with the Spanish though. Great video!

    • @IanHallWrites
      @IanHallWrites 4 роки тому

      Read my book..."Opportunities: Jamie Leith in Darién", available on Amazon in either Kindle or paperback. If you don't want to risk the money, give me your email addy, and I'll send it to you. SO TIRED of hearing the Anglisized version of this bullshit story.

    • @blickluke
      @blickluke 4 роки тому

      @@IanHallWrites does the auorator in the video get it wrong then too?

  • @0987654321mnbvcxzmor
    @0987654321mnbvcxzmor 4 роки тому

    Food for thought , a timely message.

  • @landcrab75
    @landcrab75 4 роки тому

    Really well presented and entertaining video.

  • @Psyk60
    @Psyk60 4 роки тому +5

    So the king ordered his colonies to not trade with his colonies. Personal unions get weird when they are constitutional monarchies. Like the time Queen Elizabeth II invaded Queen Elizabeth II's territory, much to Queen Elizabeth II's dissaproval.

  • @aaronbonita4312
    @aaronbonita4312 4 роки тому +5

    When I thought I couldn't like anything more than Biographics. Channel is pure gold.

  • @wretchedfibs4306
    @wretchedfibs4306 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you. Settled an argument.

  • @jackshuttleworth4274
    @jackshuttleworth4274 4 роки тому

    Well done, excellent analysis, and a very balanced view of both the act of union and the Darien venture. Appreciated the quote from Burns, still waiting on his biographics video 😉 But well done again on another fantastic video

  • @aarontaylor4967
    @aarontaylor4967 4 роки тому +3

    Love the cunning Proclaimers references!

  • @jkb2016
    @jkb2016 4 роки тому +9

    Every time, the more I learn about Scotland and the Scots, the more I like them!

    • @TheeEnglishKnight
      @TheeEnglishKnight 5 місяців тому +1

      so when scottish people colonise a country it’s good, but when english people do it it’s bad?

    • @Allapa-im9jr
      @Allapa-im9jr 4 місяці тому

      ​@@TheeEnglishKnightPrecisely.
      As usual, the Scots get a free pass and get off 'Scot free' for all their vast imperial ambitions that impacted the world far beyond recognition since.

  • @DerptyDerptyDUM
    @DerptyDerptyDUM 4 роки тому +1

    Absolutely fascinating video, thank you as always! I had no idea that this was a Thing In History. 😯

    • @IanHallWrites
      @IanHallWrites 4 роки тому

      Read my book..."Opportunities: Jamie Leith in Darién", available on Amazon in either Kindle or paperback. If you don't want to risk the money, give me your email addy, and I'll send it to you. SO TIRED of hearing the Anglisized version of this bullshit story.

  • @acermations4368
    @acermations4368 4 роки тому +1

    Really love this channel. Please do maybe Lindisfarne next? Keep up the good work.

  • @justjeeu
    @justjeeu 4 роки тому +5

    Aha. 2 AM and just the video that I was looking for.

    • @t.c.thompson2359
      @t.c.thompson2359 4 роки тому

      You must be lonely.
      That wasn't an insult, I just hear that lyric everytime someone says it is "_ am"

  • @StaticImage
    @StaticImage 4 роки тому +9

    That Proclaimers reference. I had to stop the video to get my laughter out

    • @mcswordfish
      @mcswordfish 4 роки тому

      I had to leave the room with laughter

  • @AdriLeemput
    @AdriLeemput 4 роки тому +2

    Love the subtle Proclaimers reference (as they are Scottish)

  • @BlasphemousBill2023
    @BlasphemousBill2023 4 роки тому

    That was very interesting thanks!

  • @bethroesch2156
    @bethroesch2156 4 роки тому +24

    Just because you're in the jungle, doesn't mean you get out of dressing for dinner lol

    • @CrazyBear65
      @CrazyBear65 4 роки тому +2

      Dressing for dinner... lol. I'll eat my dinner while wearing boxers, and nobody will stop me. Dressing up in uncomfortable, restrictive clothing, for the sole purpose of trying to impress staunch, stuffy, pompous, conceited individuals who dress similarly just ain't my cup of raw ground meat, thanks all the same.

  • @carlton7015
    @carlton7015 4 роки тому +4

    In this video the east india company, is being used as the scapegoat. The English pulled out of the share issue funding a third the mission, at the last moment, leaving them financially strapped. The deficit in funding had to be raised by the savings of Scots, many of whom put all of their life's savings into the venture.
    The reason for the failure was that the England stopped the colonies from meeting their contractual obligations to supply them. , which patterson (ex bank of England Governor) had arranged to be supplied by prior to departure. The Colonies would have had to have been ordered in advance of the mission, as all communication was be sea. So the Scots scuppered by the treacherous English who used this, which near bankrupted scotland as lever to force Scotland into the union.
    If their trade route had been successful this would have been potentially major competition for trade with the east indies

    • @ianwright40
      @ianwright40 4 роки тому

      BUT. It wasn't. Live with it.

    • @carlton7015
      @carlton7015 4 роки тому +2

      @@ianwright40 learn from it more like. Whats happening today; The money printing, china bullshit sanctions? Palestine Yemen Iran Africa etc are out of the same play book. Mark Twain is quoted as saying that "history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes". Well its playing quiet at tune at the moment.

  • @multiyapples
    @multiyapples Рік тому

    This is incredibly fascinating.

  • @neolamanite
    @neolamanite 3 роки тому

    Love your videos man.

  • @felipeosorio6772
    @felipeosorio6772 4 роки тому +5

    11:40 image of Fort St Andrew is actually portobello.

    • @ogivecrush
      @ogivecrush 4 роки тому +3

      Correct. Ft. St. Andrew was an earthwork, and there sure wasn't much of it left by the era of photography.

  • @hillbillyprepper6849
    @hillbillyprepper6849 3 роки тому +3

    “The ship sailed 500 miles and then they sailed 500 more”. I see what you did there. Lmfao

  • @lindacharles6581
    @lindacharles6581 4 роки тому

    Brilliant, thank you.

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you .

  • @davidstewart5811
    @davidstewart5811 4 роки тому +8

    I am a student of history myself and have studied Latin American history in some detail yet I had never heard of the Darian Venture. This was a very interesting and informative video. Thanks as always. I love all of your channels.

  • @IETCHX69
    @IETCHX69 4 роки тому +6

    Those people were so BRAVE !!. Would i have the sack to ante up , Start swinging , and Prevail ?!?!?

  • @smallrossy
    @smallrossy 4 роки тому +1

    sunshine over leith.. Harbour, Well played Simon

  • @Gordie79hamilton
    @Gordie79hamilton 3 роки тому

    Loved the Proclaimers references. 👍

  • @BexSlaughter
    @BexSlaughter 4 роки тому +6

    that was a sad story.

  • @catsupchutney
    @catsupchutney 4 роки тому +3

    I'd buy into this Darien venture. I'd also lose out.

  • @SirKilot
    @SirKilot 3 роки тому

    I love this period of history so full of adventure and hardships

  • @ianhowell4015
    @ianhowell4015 4 роки тому +2

    This is super interesting. On paper, this sounds like a really good idea.
    With that being said....the google search that brought me to this video was "what is the most dangerous jungle in the world"--->Darien Gap. Hmmm...

  • @garrick3727
    @garrick3727 3 роки тому +3

    "Who do you call when you have an impenetrable jungle to deal with?"
    The Scottish, obviously.

  • @timcutler4708
    @timcutler4708 4 роки тому +13

    Most libraries have a copy of the book "The Rising Sun," which is the best of only three books about the Darien Adventure. If you though this presentation was good, you should read the story. It is a fabulous story. The Act of Union, by the way, supplemented the red cross of St. George with the blue cross of St. Andrew. And hardly anybody knows why the flag is red, white and blue.

    • @atlantisboliviaorg
      @atlantisboliviaorg 4 роки тому

      And I think the wrong flag is shown in this video

    • @neilgow77
      @neilgow77 3 роки тому

      I was going to comment on that book. Great read.

    • @stevefanslow3530
      @stevefanslow3530 Рік тому

      Whats the books author? Ill check it out

    • @timcutler4708
      @timcutler4708 Рік тому

      Douglas Galbraith (2001)

  • @marychace1011
    @marychace1011 4 роки тому

    Great video! More video themes like this, please.

  • @furioussherman7265
    @furioussherman7265 4 роки тому +2

    I love how William Patterson essentially thought of turning Darien into the Panama Canal, but without the actual Canal part.

    • @atlantisboliviaorg
      @atlantisboliviaorg 4 роки тому

      Apparently at an earlier period there was a crossing point through Nicaragua.

  • @LaurensCorner
    @LaurensCorner 4 роки тому +41

    *cough* ''Rocky relationship with their southern neighbors...'' ........ aye that would perhaps be a kind way to put it. LOL

    • @catscratchfever7540
      @catscratchfever7540 4 роки тому +3

      grow up Mrs! Plenty of Scots live well south of the border and vice versa, many people in Scotland, even your hero Nocola Sturgeon have English relatives, get over it! It is about time people gave up on nationalism and then we maybe would have a chance of solving global problems, actual real problems that are happening now, not 500 years ago. Scottish people should be ashamed of themselves harping on about the English as if Scotland is the only nation in the world to be colonised, for a start look at Africa and the slave trade and how Scotland benefited from slavery.

    • @LaurensCorner
      @LaurensCorner 4 роки тому +8

      @@catscratchfever7540 you are halarious. I was laughing at the comment nothing of what you mentioned did i mention. Also i have english family... on my dads side and my mum got married again to a man from just outside london. He died a few years ago but he fiercely loved us as much as we loved him, and every summer i go down to see my step aunts and cousins. So you may have assumed a bit much. One more clarifying thing to add, many scots dont have a problem with england or the majority of sensible english people, its westminster and the ignorance it shows to the other countries in the union they take issues with, not just scotland but wales and northern ireland too. So i would appreciate it if you recind your comment "grow up Mrs." . Thank you kindly, and many regards to your family.

    • @aldohume64
      @aldohume64 4 роки тому +5

      Cmon Cathy your imagining things that weren't written or even inferred as far as I can see. Relax

    • @davidlittle7182
      @davidlittle7182 4 роки тому +2

      @@catscratchfever7540 Stop harping on about the Scots, Cathy. It's creepy

    • @ianstewartorr8455
      @ianstewartorr8455 4 роки тому

      Lauren's Corner you gave us the stones the rolling ones lol

  • @haggismacphreedom8270
    @haggismacphreedom8270 4 роки тому +12

    That's quite the little spin you just pulled on the Highland Clearances. I saw what you did there.

  • @johnmcgehee5484
    @johnmcgehee5484 4 роки тому +1

    That’s an...interesting take on Jacobite history.

  • @graverboi13
    @graverboi13 3 роки тому

    literally did not make it through the intro before getting three-degrees deep into
    Wikipedia. thank for schooling this self-proclaimed student of history on just how many more things I can thank Scotland for.

  • @danamunkelt3276
    @danamunkelt3276 4 роки тому +4

    There is a fish which was called dolphin at that time. Now usually Mahi Mahi or Dorado. Very tasty.

    • @krashd
      @krashd 4 роки тому

      Free Mahi Mahi. Free Mahi Mahi.

  • @markthomson1816
    @markthomson1816 4 роки тому +23

    A unicorn is my (Scotland's) national animal btw

    • @goodlookingcorpse
      @goodlookingcorpse 4 роки тому +1

      Weird that they mostly opposed Brexit then...

    • @markthomson1816
      @markthomson1816 4 роки тому

      @@goodlookingcorpse you know how propaganda works right?

    • @bradypostma5167
      @bradypostma5167 4 роки тому +1

      I always wondered what traits the Scottish unicorn was supposed to represent. Some high principle to be aspired to but never quite grasped, perhaps?

    • @markthomson1816
      @markthomson1816 4 роки тому +1

      @@bradypostma5167 an indomitable spirit always wishing to run free... kinda makes sense

    • @bradypostma5167
      @bradypostma5167 4 роки тому +1

      @@markthomson1816 - I like that intrepretation.

  • @ignitionfrn2223
    @ignitionfrn2223 3 роки тому +2

    1:00 - Chapter 1 - The darien & its potential
    2:55 - Chapter 2 - A nation in need of an idea
    6:10 - Chapter 3 - Paterson's plan
    10:25 - Chapter 4 - The 1st expedition
    13:55 - Chapter 5 - The 2nd expedition
    16:55 - Chapter 6 - Aftermath (the act of union)

  • @There-ought-to-be-clowns
    @There-ought-to-be-clowns 4 роки тому +1

    Very educational.