"You're obligated to be able to draw disabled characters" bro, I'm not able to draw character full stop. The internet really forgot that landscape art is a thing 😭
And I can't draw landscapes to save my life but I honestly don't think I am obligated to learn how because I am a character designer, not a background artist. I would personally like to learn how to get better at drawing locations, eventually, but it's not something I am absolutely obligated to learn as a character artist.
I know that feel bro. Not so much in a landscape artist sense but I pretty much never draw human characters, creature design is more my alley. Don’t know how artists should be “obligated” to draw certain features when half of us can’t even draw hands lmao.
The moment you start forcing someone to draw a certain thing against their wishes you're taking away their creativity. Diversity is a great thing to have in your art, but not having it doesn't make you a bad artist. Frida Kahlo always drew self portraits of herself, does that make her a bad artist? Of course not! Also the bashing of beginner artist needs to seriously stop, beginners drawing a feature wrong doesn't justify harrasment. Critique needs to be Constructive otherwise it's useless
@@xxkankala1671 People, I have seen others force other artist to be diverse in their art, especially younger artists who draw for fun, I am active in the community so I do see it happen
You said it so well! If i just want to draw half dead people with a red background, am i ableist(spelling?), homophobic, transphobic, misogynist, xenophobic, misandrist, fatphobic?? No, you narcissist. There was a time when these words used to have some weight.
I only draw cartoony horses and unicorns, I dont want to draw humans and I never will, drawing horses and unicorns are the only things I enjoy drawing, I hate when people force artists to draw stuff they dont enjoy drawing
I remember when someone drew a certain medium-black skin tone character in certain lighting and got ANNIHILATED for 'lightening" their skin. It was the light because these people do not understand how LIGHT works.
There was someone who drew Bruno from Encanto and the board she used had made his skin lighter. People bitched how she didn't do his exact skin tone so she apologized, explained what happened and went to fix it. Then people began to fucking witch hunt her, calling her racist and saying she needs to be held for her actions. I swear these people act like they're the diversity police lmfao
@@princessunicorn9267That's why you never ever give in to those people's demands. Constructive criticism looks different to whatever kind of bullying they're doing.
to any young artists or even seasoned artists: please take social media advice very lightly. Especially now with twitter blue where people make money off of negative engagement (checks can be hidden so you'll never know). Spending more time off the internet and just drawing from life, going to libraries & researching art books, visiting museums(many are free to attend) will do better for your growth.
This is actually a very popular opinion lmao. I don’t draw or post certain artwork of characters because I’m scared of how people will react,and I’m black myself! 😂 Also great art!
Yes, I’m black myself and most of my personal poc characters I keep to myself because I’m afraid of how some people might interpret it. I began to develop a more cartoony style and I admit that it’s sometimes hard to add or express specific features when the art style may influence how it looks on the character. I’m still learning and trying different ways to make it work because I want to be a professional someday. I enjoy the pace I’m performing at now.
@@jeimii4834if y’all are worried how your art represents certain communities then maybe y’all should take the time to study said ethnic group/community, and their cultural then draw accurate portrayals before deciding to post online
@@wompwompcryabttit Yes, I always, always think about representing correctly if I choose to express that in my art, so I don’t post unless I’m confident enough in my understanding. I’m practicing to expand my art style enough to identify different ways to show it! I’m still discovering✌️🖤!
If someone comes up to me and tells me I'm "obligated" to know how to draw every ethic feature and body type, I'd tell them to draw it themselves. C'mon, it's not like art takes years to learn and knowing anatomy and wrinkle distribution takes even longer (sarcasm) (i can't draw overweight or old characters yet) art is really hard :( twitter needs to shut up or shut down at this point
im not sure about this take because as an artist, i get it 100% that things take time to learn -- but if youre also drawing those ethnic groups/body types semi regularly, i think there is some inherent responsibility to learn how to represent it properly rather than brushing it off. but thats just my opinion :)
@@andrestars5374 if people are learning, they should be allowed to make mistakes as well. they aren't brushing it off, just saying that it. yknow, takes time and as such, isn't gonna look perfect 100% of the time
it's kinda wacky when art is suppose to be a creative open thing and people out here gatekeeping it? and fan-artist shows their appreciation by drawing a character for free and share it FOR FREE just to get dunked on is so raw. and kinda funny sad. i doubt the artist will stop making what they love or enjoy doing just cause some stranger online didn't like the art.
Worse is when you do a human version fanart of a non-human character and people dogpile on you because you "got the skin tone wrong" just because of people began to use that color pick and color wheel trick and thinks that it makes the character being dark skinned "canon". One thing is if the official source said so, another is a popular headcanon. 🤷♀️
@@assssaaasasass thinking about the individual artist who gets dogpiled. when it comes down to it i don't like people who tell others to do the unspeakable. considering the whole incident awhile back with the steven universe fandom. that artist took it personally and anyone who contributed to belittled or threatened them to that point they saw no way out. are absolute scum in my eyes. i don't think all entitled gatekeeping is the same but some is borderline murder. at the end of the day it's just a drawing on an artist's page, it's not going to came alive murder people. (for the love of reality i hope not.)
This is why when teaching my future sister in law how to draw I expressed with so much importance: Do NOT post your work and do NOT get involved with the online art community People are bruutal
@@Akalim i agree being online can be dangerous there's a sense of risk and rewards to being anyone online. thou, i think we are all entitled to a safe place online. the internet is our biggest information dump and communications. internets is a society in it's own right. it's a matter of carving our own safe space out for ourselves and being privy to scams, doxxers and harassers. blocking and reporting them helps make the internet somewhat safer. if the internal report system works. qwq
@@TeasilaNova oh for sure! But since she's just starting out as an adult i worry about her getting ripped to shreds We're definitely entitled to a safe space but whether or not people will respect that safe space is a tossup
I actually saw someone reply to the obligation post with the concern of being harrassed for doing it wrong and the OP replied with "just listen to the people criticizing you". Completely ignoring the idea of possible bullying. It comes off like people on the internet can't tell the difference between critique and harassment.
A lot of people can't which has lead to the mere mention of criticism to be seen as someone wanting to bully people...which sucks because all this is gonna do is stunt so many artists' growth because people had to go and misrepresent what criticism actually is!
And it needs to be a 2 way street. I often have to point out that pixel art's biggest and most important rule is to have consistent pixel sizing, yet rookies will turn into the largest assholes the moment I politely inform them. Mixels (mixed size or shape pixels) only work well in limited use, like particles, and you have to learn a lot to be able to effectively use it
@@JMDAmigaMusic I am not artist so i say this as an outsider. That is for the individual to decide. Listening to criticism isnt a bad thing at all. Yeah maybe it would be nice to learn how to draw certain ethnicities one may be unfamiliar with as that only expands your talents, BUT if the people criticizing the art style are not the artists clients, then they should probably not care. Niche artist are a thing. I am no furry, but i can totally respect niche furry artist, because they are fine tuning a craft that I would not even begin to touch. They dont need to suddenly learn how to draw afrocentric art just because some random fcukface told em they need to learn. If a client wants to pay and the artist agrees to draw an afrocentric style painting, then by all means go for it. Will probably be nice for you. Artist already get enough shlt from people wanting to just pay with exposure. Exposure does not pay the bills.....least not THAT TYPE of exposure...maybe another type.
You don't HAVE to learn how to draw certain people or things, however they are useful things to learn, depending on if art is a hobby or job or what industry you want to go into specifically.
exactly! if you don't want to draw diverse bodies, you don't have to. but learning to draw them will help you improve drastically. it's especially useful if you ever need the skill in the future. the same goes for nearly every subject in art. imo having diverse subjects is also just fun?
it can also be rlly fun to practice, and paint relaistic things and learn skills like anatomy! but nobody should be forced to do that. i spend abt 4 years as a kid just goofing off drawing very un-accurate stuff. i was a kid, i wasn't rlly ready for that stuff and even if i tried i dont think id have had the experience to do it properly. now i find joy in doing that stuff. forcing it wouldn't have helped at all, art is a slow journey and its ok just to draw for fun for a while.
@@toxizenz yessssss! (also isn't it kinda weird how people don't want to portray diverse people?? I do think there is some underlying racism/abelism, in that ngl...)
@@hollystop it is imo... to me drawing anything outside of skinny/white/abled isn't something that's "forced"; drawing only one type of person would be boring when there's so many body types and skin tones that's beautiful and fun to portray. even when i was a kid i had POC characters i liked to draw. it kinda irks me when people talk like that. like... you only want to draw one type of person? you don't want to try to improve and broaden your skills? why? that's not fun at all, that's frustrating.
@@toxizenz yes! I’ve always loved drawing super curly hair (like 4c) even if that meant drawing afro “circle hair” when I was younger XD. Did it look good? Nope but I enjoyed it!
People who say “Artists are Obligated” don’t respect art or the artists. And it’s quite funny, and by funny I mean annoying, that these stupid takes are what always get the most attention. No, a style isn’t “bad” just because the artist hasn’t learned how to incorporate certain elements yet, maybe they’re still learning and trying to get it right. As someone who draws mostly men, whenever I get those, “Do you ever draw [XYZ]?” Instant mute/block, it might be a bit extreme to most, from where I’m sitting and my experience in the internet, these people weren’t/aren’t going to be fans of yours even if you start doing the things they said you “SHOULD” be drawing.
Fr and I just don’t care what people say about my characters, the best I can do is ignore and block them and if they cry about it they can fucking cry about it
Damn you fr just called me out. I'm not a huge fan of drawing women and women I do they're either "fat"(I call them thicc) or muscular. I don't draw those in between physiques. Other than that it's all men and mostly dark men because I find the skin easier to shade.
I mostly draw muscular and skinny people. Sometimes they're not even people. A lot of them are demons and other creatures. And none of them are chubby. I'd be bullied off the platform. I'll never share my art 😵
I know my comment has nothing to do with the take, but I usually draw a lot of buff and thin people. That's primarily because I was hit hard with the anime influence. I usually play it off as "I am not obligated to satisfy your wants and needs." I was once called "gay" for mostly drawing characters of the same sex as myself even though I had some drawings of the opposite sex. (This was in real life. Not on the internet as I'm MIA from mostly all platforms)
To be fair. The majority of so called artists are not professional in any way and should not be labelling themselves as such. A professional is paid to produce, if the customer dosnt like the end result, you either sell it to them or you start again. Its very simple and the art community have seriously screwed up this very basic and simple transaction.
so...from what ive gathered, its okay to draw miguel hypersexualized, big muscled, thicque shoulders, never skipped an arm/leg day (as the NORM) AND!!!! HE GOT CAKE FOR DAYS!!!!!, but then you cannot draw a fem version the same way...? its like, sorry. being a HOT WOMAN is illegal now.
🗣 🗣 🗣 SPEAK ON IT!! There’s a ton of hypocrisy. But be careful, there’s also people that think if you find the 6 foot, muscled, masculine man hot you might be fetishizing Mexicans and MOC. (That’s actually a take I’ve seen! 😩)
@@Spo0ksi Ain't no way they be accusing others of fetishizing, I swear they be throwing that word around at anything they don't like PERIOD. 💀 Even if you're from or in that culture/race/ethnicity/sexuality/identity BRO SOMEONE SERIOUSLY SAID I COULDNT READ BL/YAOI IF I DIDNT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY AS A BOY OR IF WAS GAY (ngl i saw so many of them hate on women for reading it, saying they're creeps or that they're fetishizing gay men...) 😭😭 I guess even if the person is a fully grown adult with common sense, i suppose to THESE people no one can read lgbtq media if you ain't specifically the thing you reading about... it's funny because most of the time the person complaining about what others read or watch...End up watching/reading the exact thing they condemn others for..
I think this is exactly my reason for being scared to post my poc ocs because i have pretty anime-ish art style and Im scared that people would start to harass me if I colour or draw them wrong.
I’m scared and I’m black lol so I don’t post a lot of fan art especially because I use traditional art supplies the most so making skin tone exact may not be possible at times I try tho🥲
@magicalgalaxylavender I get it! I draw digitally but when I want to draw my ocs traditionally I don't colour them because I don't have any crayons of their skin colour and where I live crayons that aren't the standard one are pretty expensive (ToT)
@@alpacatherapy07 People on Twitter get mad whenever you draw POC characters look like their race too, though. They call every black character with bigger lips, bigger noses and bigger chins "sambo caricatures" even when they're clearly based on photo refferences. So just say "Fuck Twitter" and post your characters, bro, cause you can't possibly not piss anyone on that cursed app. What really matters is your intent and so far, it sounds like your intent is to not be racist.
@@magicalgalaxylavender I honestly find it easier to color/render in skin realistically whenever I am working traditionally but that's just me. What kind of art supplies do you use?
I went too deep into TV Tropes and encountered similar attitudes when it comes to writing. The Bechdel Test, "fridging", the dreaded Mary Sue. Basically "you can't write women in any compromising positions or negative situations but also you can't make them too powerful but also they have to be Strong and Independent and can't rely on a man for anything, or else your work is going to be labelled sexist". Like bro sometimes the woman is a gossipy tradwife whose greatest joy is her clean house/young children, sometimes she's a badass teen dystopia protagonist who has no interest in a heterosexual relationship, and sometimes she's something in between those two things! Whatever the story requires her to be and whatever kind of character SHE is, she just IS! Whatever kind of character the character is, they just ARE!
that’s what I’ve always thoughtttt i’m glad this video and comment exists because I myself noticed how people were pushing the idea that artists owe representation
@ummtulip yes!! Especially since certian people express themselves and their experiences through their art. Basically what I'm getting at is like my ocs and my art is based on me, how I've grown up, the things I've seen, and what I've been drawn to. I live in a very small north American town and I have not barely ever met any black people my age or even in general. I also live in a family where most of my cousins and my dad and sisters are on the lean side. My heritage and culture is mainly European German and caucasian, with hints of tropical places like Papua new guinea and Paraguay where my parents grew up in my home, usually in the form of trinkets and stories. My dad is German and my mum is mostly Dutch, English and Irish. This is why I tend to not draw dark skinned people, I don't usually see them as often. But I want to be able to express what I've experienced and learned, which has been much of my own mental disabilities, experience and lifestyle, rather than minority lives, like poc, women (especially with their bodies and body issues), and physically handicapped people, which I do not know the experiences of well. When I learn art better, I will become more diverse. But I only feel safe expressing things I have an understanding of.
The thing I find annoying about this is, how far are we willing to extend this rule of having to draw everyone?? I barely see people draw Arabs, Indians, or idk maybe someone Turkish? Just a few examples. If people are saying that you HAVE to be able to draw certain groups of people then why are we drawing the line at black people? All these Twitter people "care so much about representation" but are ignorant of the fact of how ignorant they are to a variety of different people. Black people deserve representation in media and art. Just like everyone else does. But those people who push this narrative onto others' simply forget about everyone else who basically has no representation at all. It doesn't make sense. I think it's important for every artist to learn how to draw different features at one point in their life. Just because it's great to open yourself up to different cultures and styles. But I would never force it onto someone and say "Hey! you gotta draw this and that or else you're a bad person!". Don't forget about other pocs. Try different stuff when or if you feel like it. And draw whatever and whoever you want
And as a black artist, I hate those types of people, and I would not spend my time crying if someone did not draw my race If these people want rep so bad, they should do it themselves
yes! someone said it. there's more diversity than just black and white, or black, brown and white. The world has so much diversity,, and as the video said, representation is of more value when it's genuine
@@txchia Mhm! And people forget black people are very diverse too, there are some in Africa born with blonde hair and blue eyes, my mom told me that So there is no one strict way to draw a race, I’ve noticed people put a scrict rule on how to draw black people like wider noses and bigger lips etc Hell I’m black and my lips are small People really forget how diverse anyone is
People really need to get it in their head that some random artist on the internet is not equal to big studios and corporations. One is personal work and if they choose to back themselves into a specific niche only so be it, they are susceptible to human mistakes and not knowing things because there’s a bazillion amount of things to care about out there. Corporations however, yeah you are fair to expect proffesionall work from self advertized proffesionals who run the chance to influence pop culture and how people view certain things. Idk it’s that kind of shit that could just be solved by people not jacking off to how much more socially virtous they are, and making misstakes/not knowing shit not immedietly resulting in the individual and their friends getting harrased to hell by people that act like medieval peasants at a public execution. Idk man you don’t go to the solely-vanilla flavoured cake maker and then demand strawberry, you go to the strawberry cake maker and promote their shit instead. Which I’m sure most people who actually want strawberry cake over drama do alteady, still it’s worth to say it
@@quit3118 Yeah AND black people have different cultures. It's a shocker for many but black people don't always share the same exact culture just because they're black, just like white people. For example, German and Swedish people are white but do they share the same culture???? no????? And their facial features have their differences too, they don't look the same just bc they're both white. People always draw black ppl with big lips and broad noses and decide to call it a day. Not every black person looks the same. Maybe I drifted off with the cultures thing a bit, I was thinking of something I saw today. Someone drew a person from Niger (the country...😭I feel like people don't even know it exists but anyways) and they drew them with traditional makeup and clothes for some kind of celebration (I forgot the name) and it just becomes so clear that not every black person shares the same culture as the other. So yeah setting rules to always draw big lips and wider noses is so silly to me bc not everyone looks the same
Personally, I think of learning how to draw certain body types, color skin tones, etc. like cooking. You're not obligated to learn how to do it, but boy does it help.
I remember a time where my body dysmorphia was so severe that drawing people with my body type (ie. Chubby/overweight) caused me extreme anxiety and upset. I’m not like that now, happy to say, but good god- I knew someone who told me to just get over it and to draw bigger people even when I was genuinely struggling. Even without that aspect of myself, not everyone is OBLIGATED to draw anything. Just let people draw what they want, no politics or anything involved. You never know what someone’s mindset is at any given time anyways.
SO real. Art is such a personal experience, it's rude to try to tell someone where they should be on their journey. Everyone grows in their own way and no one is obligated to take a criticism
This is honestly why I’m glad I didn’t (and still don’t lol) have a popular art account when I was a younger artist, because I got to develop my skills without having people screaming over my shoulder. So now I can draw different types of people because I appreciate how God made humans diverse and not because Im scared of being jumped in the comments section.
This. Great results come out of passion and free will, not punishments. You can't plant a fruit tree under inhospitable conditions and expect it to survive and bear good fruit
I’ve had people call me a “racist pig” for hardly posting art of characters with darker skin (I do draw POC, but more so east asians, like me) and have been insulted further for so much as having OCs with light skin that it drives me insane how entitled Twitter/Tumblr users think they are to diversity in someone else’s work 🙃 Like I just wanna draw what I like and I’m not going to force myself to draw a fat black person just to make a rando on the internet happy LMAO. I’ll draw that when *I* want to, y’know? Funny cause I do draw black people a lot too. A lot of it is inspired by my girlfriend, who is black. But because internet users can’t see that, they want to complain and call me racist/colorist. Sigh! I’m glad some people understand ❤️
The word “racist” is losing its meaning now thanks to these idiots who call literally everything they see “racist”. I’m sorry you had to go through that. There’s nothing worse than being accused of something you aren’t.
I’ve had people do the same thing to me because all I ever draw is one straight ship and get mad at me for not drawing more that are LGBTQ+. Like, I can’t help it! I’m a straight person and I model this one only couple that I draw on how I dream my own relationship would go.
@@misfitdragonintheskyandsta6296 i believe it's because if they see artists draw only straight couples they assume the artist is homophobic. i've seen that kind of reasoning too many times.
@@zari-06 And I wish they wouldn’t assume that. My preferences for drawing straight ships is just like someone preferring to draw a gay or lesbian ship because they themselves are gay or lesbian. And they don’t know me truly as a person. I have a good trans friend and I’m going to my cousin’s wedding in two days and he’s gay. I should start telling these particular people “would I really be skipping class when a paper is due, drive 5 hours and take a huge hit in my budget to stay at a hotel all to go support someone who is gay if I’m really homophobic?”
@kingolly If someone's calling you a "racist pig" just remember that you don't have to accept this defamation and being treated that way and much less to give them even the time of your day. If someone calls you names like that, don't answer, block them and report them for "hate speech/harassement". It's the only way to teach these people.
I once had a small instagram account filled with my personal drawings. As an Asian person, specifically SEA, I mainly drew fan art from Asian media and characters that looked like me. Not because I was obligated to, but because I had fun doing so. Eventually though, I felt a weird pressure to draw more “diverse” characters because I was afraid that people would think less of me if I didn’t. After some reflection, I realized that people are always free to follow a DIVERSE group of artists to see more DIVERSE characters. Why expect every artist to draw everyone when you can follow everyone to see everything? There’s no follow limit.
Being able to learn to draw humans regardless of their body type, skin tone or facial features is something that you should aim for if you want to become a professional artist. However, if you're just a hobbyist who likes to doodle stick figure like characters, and view your art as just a therapeutic outlet rather than something you want to perfect, then that's honestly fine by me. Love or hate me but I think there's a lot of classism and agism in the art community where everybody who's an adult is expected to perfect their craft as if they do want to turn their art into success but not everybody has to have the same art goals. Some people literally only do art because it's good for their mental health.
Having pro and hobbyist at same place and on same reach length did something to art community. Before it was awesome to see how pros can draw all kinds of things, now people demand pro skill level from people doing commissions as little compensation for time and effort. And even just people drawing for fun
I agree, but it's not even that. Look at the way how they put their expectations and "constructive" criticisms forward and you'll realise quickly, that that's no way to treat anyone, be they hobbyists or professionals.
I dislike when people think artists are obligated to make their characters diverse. I make my characters to represent me. Despite being able bodied and white, I don’t see any characters that are like me or represent me anywhere. Heavily scarred characters are often portrayed as fighters instead of just overly adventurous dumbasses like myself. Characters that take many things seriously aren’t seen not taking their personal life seriously. I never see my physical features represented with my personality type which is why I make my characters the way I do.
i never see characters with my personality not portrayed as bad or nonexistent so i’m trying to learn writing i feel what your saying in my soul i don’t see characters with some of my features but as an artist i don’t really want to draw them either so yeah
@@xx-hw2hr the ONLY asexual characters i have seen have been on a condition (forced x-ray vision) that makes them ace, queerbait, or their BEING ARO/ACE IS SEEN AS A BAD THING.
@@DiruseJust giving my own opinion as an aroacespec person: I'm not a huge fan of Lilith as aro or ace rep since neither is portrayed in the show whatsoever, only on a stream outside the show. If you only watched the show, you wouldn't know she was aro & ace. Love Lilith but not as representation
People saying you're obliged to represent everything in your drawings are crazy. Do these MFs expect you to have a quota list of drawing a fat Alaskan, Native American, Indian, African, South East Asian, etc. When I picked up a pencil to draw a cute anime girl for the first time, I didn't sign up to document every ethnic group with all possible body types in the entire human race, damn.
So real. Like, not everyone is a whole expert on all world ethnicities or whatever. It is a lot. People will start where they start, some people will stay in their comfort zone, others will only learn as they need to, and pick things up as they go. It is OKAY to have your own art journey. What next an art textbook that everyone has to pass a test on before they are allowed to pick up a pencil? Better not give them ideas
I, too often make art based on whims. This means I probably won't be in the mood to do representation most of the time, but like, it should be used effectively, not to have a shallow cop-out (and even then, it won't satisfy them)
I have been working professionally for the past 10+ years, I only accept changes from clients because they are paying for the art. If a random person gives their opinion, I read it, and one thing that is really easy to disarm a person is this- “Thank you for your opinion, I will keep that in mind the next time I draw this character”, it kind of puts them in a hard spot, because being polite and kind makes them to be the ones in the wrong (and some are, many do give bad faith opinions). I try to bring variety to my art, because as a professional you have to draw many different things, and you never know what a client wants and keep in mind, that once you give the artwork to the client(I'm not talking about personal commissions) this same artwork can be changed without your consent, but since they paid for the artwork they can do whatever they want, it's the simple reality of commercial illustration, if anyone ever wants to enter this professional field, be prepared, most of the time you only find out the colors have been changed when the artwork is out in the wild. People feel entitled to others arts, but again, it truly is hard when you want to share a drawing that you are doing for fun, and a random person gives you a list of how wrong your work is. If the person is not drawing something extremely offensive, let them have fun, let them draw, is not hurting anyone. Kids, don't gate keep art, and try to be kinder to others, remember the person behind the artwork has feelings too so stop trying to get a reaction from them, it's not easy to be an artist, so a little bit of kindness can help a lot.
Just a rant but that situation is actually really funny to me 😂 😂 Learning how to draw POCs/plus size today almost feels like an obligation, something you're pressured into doing (and it's even worse if you're a POCs/plus size yourself) Meanwhile drawing dark skinned POCs (ex. black, south asians, afrolatinos) and plus size characters gets surprisingly less interaction and shares than other kinds of people. I don't like to compare artists but most popular artists on IG (+1M subs) don't draw plus size/dark skinned. Like make it make sense 🧍🏾
its because people hate black people and their skin by majority around this world. In general dark skin is disliked, hence why there is many skin lightening products around the entire world. Its a true fact. People just dont like to admit it that whiter skin is the ideal in many cultures (some of it caused or further pushed by European imperialism & colonialism). People who are making these pushes for more black POC characters are just trying to appear morally superior and are trying to police/pressure artists on purpose out of spite. Because mainly they don't even know how to draw and due to jealousy they take it out on others with petty claims that they are secretly racist & hate POC.
I remember seeing two posts on tumblr before saying how "dont complain about not being able to draw men when you cant draw poc/fat people" and "if you cant draw fat characters/draw characters skinny your fatphobic" and stuff. Was weird i think
😂 Exactly. I don't even use human skintone for my characters. Most people don't complain and I love the freedom of not creating things people can easily associate with their own warped social beliefs. They have to work to make a connection and I like it this way. But animals, machines, and even just abstract forms can also be great things to make characters from.
They're going to be like: "Hey why don't you paint more Savannah and jungle rainforests in your medieval inspired European landscape??? Are you climatzone phobic!!!????"
Finally. I thought I was wrong feeling that this was too much and that artists are allowed to draw what they want while not being disrespectful. I dislike artists that only draw semi realistic stereotypically atractive thin women because they lack diversity in general on their work, but I can simply just scroll by and find someone that I like instead of being a bully.
Is okay to draw one type of body type of character. It is limiting and lacks growth? Yes, but art doesn't need to be something one do seriously But try to explain this to Twitter. The same thing that canceled Japanese artists for not painting Camilo in THE SAME PALLET
I was hesitant to see what your opinion was based on the title, but the longer I listened the more I learned I actually agreed with you but didn’t know how to word it. As an artist who’s a part of several minority groups, I do feel that while representation is nice, I agree it’s better if it comes from a place of genuine want to further your craft / allyship (and what I mean by that is- at least for me, I like making diverse characters for my comics because I didn’t have a lot of rep growing up, and it makes me happy to see my own identities showcased, and I enjoy doing the same for other communities my friends/people I admire are in. But because I want to, not that I feel obligated). Learning art is hard, especially when sometimes there aren’t sufficient tutorials on how to draw the thing you want to learn (prime example, I couldn’t find nearly any examples on how to draw a cane appropriately until I took photos of my own and scaled the proportions to paper, and compared that to other pictures of cane users) The internet will always assume malice before ignorance, and it’s honestly depressing to think about, especially because there’s probably a lot of young artists who worry about backlash simply from trying to learn. And if you’re teaching yourself how to draw and you want to improve, it’s hard to do so without some level of feedback Anyone trying to learn a new art principle, be patient with yourself, and try not to take the internet too seriously 💙✨
“I’m just tired of seeing the same thing all the time from artists…” SO JUST MAKE IT? What artists make is what they wanna see anyway, so give yourself the same joy
“Artist are obligated to draw disabled, poc and plus size characters” ❌❌❌❌ “Artist should try learning how to draw disabled, poc and plus size characters” ✅✅✅✅✅
You aren't obligated to try to learn how to draw them either, like someone else said before what if you are a landscape artist who dosen't draw/ want to draw/ want to learn how to draw anyone? But even outside that if you are allowed to refuse to draw them then you are allowed to refuse to learn how to draw them as well, they kinda go hand in hand. There are lots of things to learn in life so why waste time learning something you didn't want to learn in the first place when you could have learned something you accsually did want to learn?
Dude those two sentences are literally the same thing, the second one is just worded more nicely. Saying that they SHOULD try learning how to do something is the same thing as saying that they are obligated to. No one should have to learn anything they dont want to. As someone in the comments already mentioned, Frida Kahlo who is an incredibly famous artist drew literally nothing but self portraits of herself. She never learned how to paint other kinds of people, and yet she is still a famous artist that many people look up to because despite always using the same subject, her self portraits were all extremely creative and expressive. As long as their art isnt being used to intentionally harm or degrade someone, people should just be allowed to draw whatever they want regardless of whether they include disabled or POC people in their work or not. Draw and paint whatever inspires you.
@@starlette7820 You still are able to understand what op was trying to say. By definition, the word “should” can imply obligations yes but it is also used to give advice, i.e “you should go to bed.”
i find it funny that these people persecute artists for making mistakes on diverse characters but then also shame artists if they don’t draw those characters out of love but out of obligation. gee i wonder why that happened??
I watched Tazak’s video. It was pretty good. Informative, concise, kinda goofy, but made with good intentions. I believe that it was made as sort of a response to the Kooleen situation (maybe???) and possibly to the people who criticise artists like Sam does Arts for “being unable to draw dark skinned people.” The only complain I had about the video is that the drawings of the darker skin characters didn’t reflect much light on the skin, which is something that a lot of black and brown people pointed out, but me and most of those people agreed that it was mistake rather than it being intentionally left out.
yeah, i thought so as well. i feel like the title and the cancellation part (in the title) was more of a joke, sorta like the hyperbole and exaggeration people do for clickbait (such as: fixing your trash art, etc)
EDIT: Sorry about the audio being jankey! I’ll look out for that next video. :) Hope you guys like this video!! Please let me know what you want to see in the future! I also have a question for you all: How do you approach art? What do you like to depict most? Please respond below!! 😊👁👅👁❤️
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i meannnn ig i like drawing stuff i like (fictional characters and stuff like that) bc i dont know how to express my love for something other than drawing it ig its kind of a love language in a way for me heck i draw for ppl that i enjoy spending time with like friends fir example bc art for me is how i show my appreciation lol (sorry for the long comment 💀)
So I am a traditional watercolor artist (non-digital). I do still life art, with food being my main subject, and the way that I approach my artwork is that I go with a more vibrant and colorful bright art style. I am practicing to draw people though, but in my private time. Art is something that's personal to me because it's my way of finding purpose in life and it brings my joy. I have difficulty in expressing my thoughts and feelings, so I would much rather prefer to draw it out instead.
I'm very glad I stumbled upon your channel, as the subjects you talk about are interesting and your takes/commentaries are ones that actually makes sense to me. Personally, I don't consider the *"Every artists are OBLIGATED"* post and Tazak's video title to be comparable to two sides of the same coin. One is a demand that leaves no room for the interpretation of "...being able to depict more variety makes you a better artist". It doesn't matter if makes you a better of worse artist, draw the fat or face the wall. The other seems like a light-hearted jest on a very prevalent aspect of social media that is sprinkled into a video which actually teaches you something. Though I haven't watched the video either, so I can't tell if it actually offered a tutorial. Thank you for making this video and for reminding me of the Knuckles fanart "fixes", those were... something.
(RANT) I only draw animals and have somehow been called racist over that?? I still have representation, like having certain animals be amputated, having certain animals be different body types than overs, etc. I also have human OCs, but don’t draw them, just use gacha life, and those have representation, yet I’m still somehow racist? I’m slowly starting to think people just hate on me for being a white artist.
I'm gonna say this. I would love to draw and write characters of different cultures and walks of life, but I feel like no matter how much I research and how much effort I put in to perfectly capture a culture. I won't be able to do it, and if I accidentally do it wrong on any way, I'm going to get screwed over. So between the choice of having characters from diverse backgrounds and different races vs playing it safe. I'll probably always play it safe. I may have cannon backgrounds that no one will ever know but that's just for me
Disabled artist here! I agree that nobody is obligated to draw anything. Hell, I'm a cane user and former wheelchair user and I can't draw those, so I don't. I'm not comfortable drawing those things just because it's very hard to do and can be stressful, especially when you're self-conscious about your art (hi, I'm one of those people, lol) and won't accept it if it doesn't look the way you were hoping. Don't force yourself to draw something that you don't want to, especially if it's too hard! I'm also not good with drawing people of color and people with anything but really thin body types, mostly because I'm just bad with proportions, so I just don't draw that kind of stuff (to be fair I just can't draw humans in general). While it's always good to learn, it's also good to ask for some constructive criticism from trusted people who might know how to draw those things so they can give some good advice!
I think that artists should draw what they themself want to draw. Yes, if you get a commission of a very specific thing, if you happen to accept the commission you should do your best to please the customer, but if it's a project of your own, then do what you feel works for the art. The biggest issue I think happens way too often is that some people don't know how to give critique. Instead of even trying to be polite and suggest different methods of working, far too often people go straigth into being as rude as possible and just yelling "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!" without telling what is wrong or not understanding how for example colours and shading work.
People kept saying pretty shitty stuff about the way I draw women, calling them ugly, too muscular etc... So I stopped drawing women. It's for a similar reason, that I never really draw POC... I'm already insecure about my art as is, I don't need heaps of people telling me that everything I touch sucks. I found my little comfort zone, of just drawing hot elf and demon boys, but man, I don't dare step out of it for even a second.
Step out of it!! don’t take those comments so seriously. MUSCULAR WOMEN ARE SUPER SEXY. Even if they are ugly for them who really cares, if YOU’re not satisfied draw and try more. I love drawing women and find a lot of difficulties with men but if they are feminine, blend or ugly who really cares the next drawing will get better or not depending on what I want from it. That’s totally ok. Don’t stop you’re growing for them, you better than that. Never let people private your creative mind to explore and enjoy learning. You got this ❤
Imagine if people would listen to others who don’t believe in them. So many successful people and artists would not be there today :) never forget that !
muscular women are super good looking wtf is with those people 😭one of my main ocs is a muscular woman so i dont get why people get so upset about it?? what do they want, an hourglass? so much for being "progressive" also theres people who believe shipping 2 ocs together is "incestuous" because "you created them so theyre technically your kids!" .wha t. anyways dont let those assholes get you to stop drawing, i know its very much easier said than done from personal experience but once you stop caring what those stupid people puke out at you it definitely gets better
@@DarkDragon_Midnight People have a tendency to demand you draw women exactly the way that they, specifically, find them attractive... It's really dang annoying and entitled and it discouraged me from actually trying to get better at drawing women. I'm cracked at drawing all kinds of different guys now though ^^;
The video that got taken down, I was able to watch it, and it wasn’t bad at all. The creator also agreed that not having diversity in your art doesn’t make you a bad artist, but drawing at least one person of color can help you not get cancelled because you drew one already. And he showed a good tutorial for drawing dark skin, so idk why he got backlash 😅
The idea behind "drawing at least one person of color can help you not get canceled because you drew one already" is most likely why he got backlash. That falls under forcing people to feel obligated to draw something very specific solely to fill a quota. Plus the implication of never having drawn something before being a green light for getting bullied is absolutely appalling. I'm sure the video was helpful for how to draw people of color, but how messages are conveyed and why they are put out at all are just as important as the message itself, if not more. If he made it a simple tutorial without any "Twitter is gonna cancel and harrass you if you do it wrong" stuff, then people probably would have taken it as a normal tutorial and no backlashing
ppl have to realise that ppl r more comfortable drawing some things over others for example i dont like drawing alot of animals nor do i like to draw backgrounds doesn't mean i hate backgrounds its just my comfort zone is in drawing characters drawing is ab urself and while its great to learn skills like drawing black hairstyles and such ur under no obligation to draw them 😭 TLDR draw watever u want its great if u wanna step out of ur comfort zone and learn new things but its ok if u dont wanna :3 (also i see alot of ppl wanting to draw black characters or Asian characters but are afraid to do so bc of not knowing how to portray their struggles in a realistic way and get backlash for it so if ur one of those ppl talk to a POC there's no shame and we ALL start somewhere
That last part was such a help to me My opinion is that most people when making art have some sort of self expression in it. Some people express more of who they are than others, at least more obviously. Basically what I'm getting at is like my ocs and my art is based on me, how I've grown up, the things I've seen, and what I've been drawn to. I live in a very small north American town and I have not barely ever met any black people my age or even in general. I also live in a family where most of my cousins and my dad and sisters are on the lean side. My heritage and culture is mainly European German and caucasian, with hints of tropical places like Papua new guinea and Paraguay where my parents grew up in my home, usually in the form of trinkets and stories. My dad is German and my mum is mostly Dutch, English and Irish. This is why I tend to not draw dark skinned people, I don't usually see them as often. But I want to be able to express what I've experienced and learned, which has been much of my own mental disabilities, experience and lifestyle, rather than minority lives, like poc, women (especially with their bodies and body issues), and physically handicapped people, which I do not know the experiences of well. When I learn art better, I will become more diverse. But I only feel safe expressing things I have an understanding of.
@guesmpwuam yeah, I really want to learn like diversity in human anatomy and culture, but I learn at my own times. Yeah those teachers should, especially because it can help others learn to because they are teachers. And the people they teach will most likely want to learn the things they aren't strong with, and for people like me, it is some of those minorities that I don't see often.
This video just popped up on my home and while I don't really get into this side of the art community as its not my cup of tea it makes me so happy that there is at least someone out there finally addressing the elephant in the room as NOBODY talks about it. The problems you just brought up are one of the many reasons I got off of the dumpster fire that was shitter. The toxicity of people being so anal about someone's art/animation and what they are and aren't supposed to do is genuinely embarrassing as an 3D artist. Bluntly, who gives a shit what you draw. As long as it looks good and you are enjoying the craft then what is there to scoff at.
That Miguel artist was DRAGGED through the mud for months for 0 reason other than no one liked their design. I will never post my art ever after watching that go down
I remembered years ago an artist I followed on Tumblr started getting unwarranted and rude criticism about diversity and whatnot that they no longer had the will to continue on drawing. it pissed me off so bad I actually did a ‘social experiment controversial take’ post about forcing one’s tastes upon me since I used to draw and post a lot. unsurprisingly the only ones bitching and moaning about ‘diversity’ towards artists are people who can’t draw
It's always the lazy and yappy fսсkԝаԁѕ. Kinda reminds me of small dog syndrome. Trying to compensate for something they lack or don't have. Also, why tf is it always the Americans that stir up drama
Some people seriously need to be reminded that, for most, art is a HOBBY. And that constantly pestering them about how they draw something is really not helpful. ESPECCIALY in the way Twitter goes about it
I remember seeing a review for a random movie, I can't remember what movie exactly, but it said it was boring and having more diversity among the characters would have made it better. I think this is part of the problem--people conflating "diversity = good story". I think encouraging diversity is a great thing, and it is important to keep in mind if you're aiming to become a professional artist or storyteller. But there are plenty of terrible stories, or even ones that go into the bounds of racism/ableism/etc, that have "diverse" casts. It can reach a wider audience and also improve your own empathy and understanding of the world, but instead of meeting a certain quota, I think there should be more discussion about promoting other's work that genuinely showcases different characters, viewpoints, and stories--and even that shouldn't be "demanded" of anyone. Some people just don't like clutter on their timeline and only want to follow like two people! My two cents anyway.
This bugs me so much, and I'm glad that you brought up the point that some artists are afraid to draw, for example, in different skin tones because they are afraid that they will get it wrong and therefore get cooked for it. I do also agree that learning how to draw different proportions and skin tones can help your art skills be more versatile, but the fear of getting it wrong is what's stopping me. Plus I think it's ironic how people get upity about ethnic characters and their skin tones being perfect to a T (I see this so much with Miguel), meanwhile people constantly make white characters black and no one bats an eye. I just find it strange.
The thing is I've seen ppl on twitter complain about over-exaggerating ethnic features (like making asian skin slightly yellow) because it 'promotes racial stereotypes' but also about removing ethnic features so I'm not really sure what twitter wants anymore. Luckily as a furry artist I don't have to deal with any of this.
maybe if you had a brain to work with you'd be able to see the difference between racist stereotypes and realistic depictions of characters of color. just a thought!
I totally felt this way during the Encanto era. I was so worried if I drew them in the wrong skintone or if the facial features are slightly different. I tend to draw in a semi realistic+anime style, so I usually follow the referenced the styles almost to a T anytime I’m doing a fanart for the first time beause I was so scared of taking too much creative liberties, and even then I was still so scared of making a “cultural/diversity” mistake. Good thing the fanart doesn’t get that many engagements (though kinda sad lol) so there isn’t really any comment about the drawing.
For a long time (I still do this to some extent), I would specifically avoid drawing any diversity that I was not already used to drawing, because I didn't want to get harassed if I did it wrong. I feel like scaring people to the point where they won't even TRY, is worse than someone getting it wrong and you correcting them. Everyone makes mistakes and assuming it's intentional can be really harmful.
Hello I’m a young artist. A year or two ago I started trying to diversify my art but it was because I felt like I had to and it really wasn’t fun. Then I actually acknowledged that I wasn’t doing it for good reasons and started drawing them when I wanted to it was actually really fun! Especially African styles like braids and afros. Admittedly I’m still bad at drawing things like disabilities (despite being disabled myself) but I’m learning! And I’m having fun because I’m not doing it to make others happy I’m doing it to make my art feel more realistic (even though I’m a cartoonist lol) I hope people don’t dig themselves into holes because of other ppl just draw what makes u happy!
Honestly, I have trouble recognizing faces. I also have trouble seeing micro expressions. This leads to me drawing characters that feel familiar (i.e. sharing physical traits with me and close friends/family) and having "same face syndrome". So I actually find it very difficult to draw people who have varying characteristics (i.e. wider nose, higher/lower cheek bones, non-hooded eyes). Most of my characters are just self depiction, or depicting those close to me (rn mainly being my husband and my kids too. And we all look fairly alike). I still try to draw characters different from me, but I can't do it from memory/ without references/ as quickly. I can do stuff like darker skin and accessories, but faces especially are very difficult for me to draw. For most of my life I couldn't even bring myself to look at people's faces. I'd constantly even get family members confused. I thought I had like 5 aunt's on my dad's side of the family, when there were only 3. I thought my mom had like 7 brothers. She only had 4. It's something I struggle with. And something that I'm working to improve. However, I'm not obligated to do so. I don't owe anyone art that looks like them. But my skills are admittedly lacking if I can't, rather than won't.
the saddest part is even if you were to bowl over and conform to their requirements, a small amount of people would still complain and probably say your work is inaccurate or perpetuating stereotypes, which might actually create less diversity in art. i know there's probably a good bit of people who avoid posting work that includes these groups just because their work will be seen as offensive. i also find a little weird how physical traits are seen as so important, as if the skin color or able status is more important than the character or art style.... why should a character be defined by their disability or their race? for example, i'm disabled; but it's not a defining trait of mine, i'd be the same person if i woke up "normal" so i try to express traits that actually define who i am, such as my snow leopard ears =^w^= i mean i draw plenty of self portraits and dont include my disability because i'm lazy or it doesn't fit into my art style, the way i draw hands is very stylized and it'd be impossible to portray my own deformities without changing my overall style lmao doesn't mean i thinks its bad or ugly. it's not like i refuse to portray it, i just dont give a shit :D
it’s awful the way people act towards artists, and tell them they need to do this, or need to draw that if they aren’t comfortable with it or are afraid to post it because of the backlash they’ll receive for mistakes they may make while learning. being an artist is so draining nowadays. to comment on the tazak video - it made my skin crawl. i didn’t watch the whole video, i don’t think i even watched half of it, because the whole thing rubbed me the wrong way. it felt like the only reason he made it was to show people how to not get canceled, and not to actually give them tips and an actually helpful tutorial. it felt like he was doing it solely as a way to appear as a good artist, not because he actually wanted to.
That makes sense, and why I didn’t want to defend him unless I watched the video myself. I just used it as a launching pad for a vid I was already making so I’d get favored by the algorithm lol. People on Twitter even demonize my videos so I like to form my own opinions on things first-hand. Can you explain some of the content in the video that you felt was really grimy? I’m just curious! ❤️
And as a black person and artist that video did made me upset, like no one has to draw us for validity points It’s their art they can do what they want And it really did rub me the wrong way, especially him kinda defending kooleen in another video, I used to agree with him but now I don’t anymore since I got some sense in me lol-
Ive Seen black artists bash other black artists for making characters "not black enough". Same with women, same with any kind of poc group, theres no Winning
And this is why I’ll never post my art on twitter. Because these loons think they can dictate and bully people, who are mostly doing art for fun, into drawing something they don’t want to draw. Which won’t make them want to learn how to draw those other things. No one is obligated to draw anything, and it really pissed me off when I saw someone in a discord I’m in share a tweet that basically said, “if you can’t draw a black person, or a fat person, or especially a fat black person, you’re not as good an artist as you think you are” and was agreeing to it
My problem is that most of my favorite ocs are morally gray or evil in some way, and that makes me worry, if I depict a character as a minority, will I either not draw them often and get in trouble for that, or get in trouble for making them evil :(
Do what you want. Not only can you not please everyone, but the people who throw the biggest stink about this stuff are the ones who aren’t worth pleasing.
As an artist, I will give a big hearty middle finger to anyone who tells me I MUST draw ANYTHING. I will draw what I want to draw, it is my hands making it, my time and energy being used and I will do it for whatever I please.
Okay.....so can i just say -and i literally CANNOT EXPRESS THIS ENOUGH how grateful and relieved I am as a fellow artist to hear you say this? Most of the time it feels like im the only only one who feel this way because its like I live in this echo chanmber in the art community and if you have the WRONG opinions or do something they dont like, the fanatics in the art community literally will brand you a terrible person with malicious intent. My family and friends CONSTANTLY ask me WHY im not posting my artworks or selling them or even posting them online and part of the reason is what ive seen going on in the art community. Im still debating posting anything I make out of fear of saying or doing something people dont like when there was no ill will involved and having the mob come after me. I have a black character that im designing because ive had her in my head for days that ive come to call jasmine. But because when i imagine her, i see her with beautiful long curly raven hair and because she black, i worry people are going to snap at me saying i did her skin tone wrong or "why didnt you give her dreads!?" Or something silly like that. Its crazy how they go on a witch hunt for you when your just learning or trying to create something new or beautiful. As an artist i never thought with all these new 'thou shalt not' rules that the art community is placing on artists that I would EVER feel like i was being told to paint inside the frame so to speak. It feels so restrictive. But hearing you talk about this makes me feel like im a solider walking through a mine feild and i just found a fellow solider trying to survive to draw another day. So for that thank you! I feel alot less alone in the art community now that i know its not just me who feels this way and it feels nicer on your channel like we can just relax and draw. Thank you so much and you just got a new subscriber.
I’m absolutely 100% certain that many artists will insert a certain minority group into their art not because they actually care to, but because they have to meet an invisible quota
Just started calling them “Moral High Ground Artists” myself. The ones draw poc, break stereotypes etc which is great *for them* but they just can’t not go to another page and call someone one of the ‘ists or ‘phobic off of minor errors or simply drawing things they’re comfortable with. It’s like they have to make it known that they’re on the right side of the drama, support complete equality n stuff which again isn’t bad necessarily. Once again it’s just their extreme execution of it to probably bring traction to their own pages and content That and personally I was born and raised in a very diverse part of the UK and it has not made the approach to drawing different features easier. It’s not smth I’d make out to be easy even if it’s everyday life for some and the people that claim otherwise have not lifted a pencil 💀
The best solution is SO obvious, that anyone who fails to follow this ONE specific rule is objectively either EVIL or are LESSER for not following it- We MUST draw EXCLUSIVELY using amorphous blobs with googly eyes for our character designs, anything less is a crime against humanity punishable 100 years under the Atlantic Ocean without oxygen. In fact- Only drawing using circles is allowed for the rest of humanity until the end of time.
I remember years ago on tumbler people getting harassed for not drawing poc characters but also getting hate for drawing poc characters. It's insane it happened with LGBT characters or disabilities too. I remember reading a message different people got saying need to be poc, disabled or LGBT± to draw characters that way, and on the other side people getting messages that you're racist, ableist or homophobic because you didn't draw characters that way.
I have an even more controversial opinion: THERE IS NO WRONG WAY TO DRAW SOMETHING. There, I said it. It's called an art style, people. There is no wrong way to draw a character. it's art. It's not meant to be reality, it's meant to be your own interpretation of reality. That means ANYTHING GOES. If someone gets offended by the way someone drew something, they're wrong for that.
I agree! Tho there is one flaw. I feel like people should not draw others cos in a weird way, what my point is, is the problem with black washing and white washing! It is problematic but yk I think if you are gonna try to draw someone’s oc then atleast try to not change them! Hope you understand that I’m not saying this to start some drama! Also I very much like that you where brave enough to post this comment! Hope no one starts drama with you! 😊
As a woman on the chubbier side; if someone wants to primarily (or only!) draw skinny boys, as long as they aren’t exhibiting REAL signs of sexism/fatphobia, LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!!!!! You don’t have to like it!!! Just leave them the fuck alone!!!! YES, that CAN be a red flag for bigoted viewpoints, but if I went around accusing everyone that draws like that of sexism i would be so tired always.
Like, not to be mean or something, but in general skinny type is the best for studies and anatomy, then after getting general proportions and bone structure, you can learn adding fat and studying it in general (of course you can go straight to it but... results may vary). Some people can't even draw fat, because it does change proportions, and it will always look off in their eyes. I actually have it with skin-and-bones type of humans... I can draw skeletons, but either human will have some fat, or I can't really draw them because it looks weird XD
Why is drawing primarily skinny boys a red flag for bigoted viewpoints? I draw them largely because I'm a fanartist for an anime idol boy game that I really enjoy playing, and the style seeps into my OC designs because it's what I'm used to drawing. It's not anything deeper than that and doesn't say anything about my viewpoints on anything else. Unless someone has overtly political art, it's pretty much impossible to tell what their viewpoints on stuff is from their art alone...
Hot take: Every artist need to learn how to say "Fuck off" to every toxic user. It should be up to the artist however they want and how to draw, and if they don't want to draw a subject. Let them be. If the artist don't want to put in an effort to draw a subject. Let them be. That goes to normal users, or other artists as well. If you see an artist getting attacked and harassed. Tell the toxic attackers to "Fuck off", no matter how many "-ists" and "-phobics" buzzwords they toss out. Don't even reason with the attackers. Anything the attackers say, just respond "Fuck off", and report them. "Shut up", "Move on" works too. Cancel Culture, and Toxicity only wins if people allow it to win.
I'm so disappointed about what happened to Tazak's video. I mostly do traditional art, but I watched the video and it felt like a genuinely good resource for people who want to draw darker skin tones and I was hoping to use some of the advice in it. It seemed like it came from a good place and it's a shame it got deleted.
Fun trivia on RJ Palmer, he was involved in designing the Pokémon on Detective Pikachu. He is why it didn’t end up like the original Sonic movie cut. He knows what he’s doing.
0:24 I saw that video, I even commented on it. The guy was making a light hearted joke because everyone knows how quick social media is to cancel someone. Through out the video he was making jokes and memeing as he was drawing a quick easy method to coloring dark skin. It wasn’t a deep dive art tutorial and was supposed to be fun and encourage beginner artists to try and color darker skin. But even early on the title attracted ppl who were extremely defensive and angry. For example, the very first comment I saw. I wish I screenshotted it, but it accused his title of saying that “black people are angry and aggressive and he needs to change it” like ??? It was frustrating to see ppl jump online and harass him, because he had good intentions. I commented that I knew a fair amount of beginner artists who were afraid of drawing other races bc they didn’t want to accidentally come off as racist, especially when the art community is so nitpicky when it comes to race. so they don’t even try. I saw some comments on there too saying how an artist was accused of being racist when he drew black ppl, but he was black himself and still learning. We shouldn’t demand ppl to draw this or that, we should encourage them and let them make that decision for themselves.
I hate the policing of how/what to draw in the art community. Jesus Christ just let people draw what they want. If they wanna only draw furries/cars/mechs/abstract/etc., they aren’t obligated to learn or know how to draw people of color.
This is a genuinely nuanced take, nice :D Another tidbit to add!! While no one deserves harassment on their art, you also gotta keep in mind that not Everyone needs to be into your art :o I.e. if someone doesnt really draw/isnt really interested in queer characters, no need to draw em ofc! But it doesnt mean every group has to be Amazed with the same type of character- (and its okay if they vent NON-TARGETED bout art frustrations in a personal blog) After all, some people get Very comfortable admitting the opposite ._. But y e a h, imo drawing ~diverse~ chars just as a Quota is worse 😭
I'm a 27 y/o artist who is *STILL* afraid of drawing POC because if I get even the *tiniest* detail wrong, I'll be lambasted, and my following is way to small for me to ever be able to recover from that.
3:15 this brings me back to what I was thinking earlier was there misogyny in Caveman days? Did they expect their wife to cook their meals for them and clean for them and take care of the children? I don’t know I don’t think so because marriage didn’t exist then it was just do what you can to survive and keep your tribal alive….
"You're obligated to be able to draw disabled characters" bro, I'm not able to draw character full stop.
The internet really forgot that landscape art is a thing 😭
And I can't draw landscapes to save my life but I honestly don't think I am obligated to learn how because I am a character designer, not a background artist. I would personally like to learn how to get better at drawing locations, eventually, but it's not something I am absolutely obligated to learn as a character artist.
I know that feel bro. Not so much in a landscape artist sense but I pretty much never draw human characters, creature design is more my alley. Don’t know how artists should be “obligated” to draw certain features when half of us can’t even draw hands lmao.
ikr so many artists don't even draw humans, so many are abstract artists
then it obviously doesnt apply to you???????
@@foxey9613 It shouldn’t apply to anyone lmao. People can draw what they feel like.
The moment you start forcing someone to draw a certain thing against their wishes you're taking away their creativity. Diversity is a great thing to have in your art, but not having it doesn't make you a bad artist. Frida Kahlo always drew self portraits of herself, does that make her a bad artist? Of course not! Also the bashing of beginner artist needs to seriously stop, beginners drawing a feature wrong doesn't justify harrasment. Critique needs to be Constructive otherwise it's useless
As a black artist, I agree, I am tired of others forcing to be diverse like I just don’t care if someone does not draw diversity it’s not my art
@@quit3118who is forcing?
@@xxkankala1671 People, I have seen others force other artist to be diverse in their art, especially younger artists who draw for fun, I am active in the community so I do see it happen
@McPoof Their creativity is their will to want to draw.
You said it so well! If i just want to draw half dead people with a red background, am i ableist(spelling?), homophobic, transphobic, misogynist, xenophobic, misandrist, fatphobic?? No, you narcissist.
There was a time when these words used to have some weight.
Learning is great, it takes time. BUT people aren't obligated to do ANYTHING 🎉
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Its gonna be really awkward if they ask the background artist they hired to draw a characters sheet.
@@IHateMyChanneIwell ya, but not everyone draws as a job. A lot, especially on Twitter, just draw what they want cause it’s fun
"people aren't obligated to do anything" CELEBRATION, WOOOOOOOOOOO
Apparently we’re obligated to never say nono words.
No artist is obligated to paint anything. Paint what YOU want. That's what great about art, the freedom of choice.
Exactly. There’s a different between only drawing what interests you and discrimination.
See it’s backwards isn’t it? They are all for freedom, but then freedom isn’t allowed when it offends or isn’t “correct” so to speak.
Yes, yes, we all know you're desperate to say the n-word
@@joevaghn457the extreme, inhumane amounts of hypocrisy… it really is absurd.
"If you're an artist you MUST draw these kinds of people!!"
Animal or landscape artists that can't even draw a person: Hwuh
That's literally me
Yea I would draw a person. If they had a tali, ears, walk on 4 and had 0 human features
I only draw cartoony horses and unicorns, I dont want to draw humans and I never will, drawing horses and unicorns are the only things I enjoy drawing, I hate when people force artists to draw stuff they dont enjoy drawing
IF YOU DRAW ANIMALA YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DRAW *ALL* ANIMALS
@@iconica9516 NO THATS NOT RIGHT YOU CANT FORCE ANYONE TO DRAW ANYTHING THAT THEY DONT WANT SO STOP THAT
I remember when someone drew a certain medium-black skin tone character in certain lighting and got ANNIHILATED for 'lightening" their skin. It was the light because these people do not understand how LIGHT works.
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Here’s an example of what u said
There was someone who drew Bruno from Encanto and the board she used had made his skin lighter. People bitched how she didn't do his exact skin tone so she apologized, explained what happened and went to fix it. Then people began to fucking witch hunt her, calling her racist and saying she needs to be held for her actions. I swear these people act like they're the diversity police lmfao
Did the artist user happen to be gomigomi by any chance?
@@princessunicorn9267That's why you never ever give in to those people's demands. Constructive criticism looks different to whatever kind of bullying they're doing.
to any young artists or even seasoned artists: please take social media advice very lightly. Especially now with twitter blue where people make money off of negative engagement (checks can be hidden so you'll never know). Spending more time off the internet and just drawing from life, going to libraries & researching art books, visiting museums(many are free to attend) will do better for your growth.
Especially when they don't even know the difference between "every" and "all". /hj
“This motherfucker paid for Twitter BLUUEEEEE!”
“This mf’r paid for Twitter BLUUEEEEE!”
"Take it easy it's just a drawing" - Patrick Star from the Spongebob Squarepants TV show
Wait, that was the cop
Bro came from the wrong universe 💀it was the cop who said that
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Patrick says “Take it easy it’s just a drawing” in the Doodlebob episode
Some people clearly haven’t watched SpongeBob in awhile. Rewatch it guys, it’s a good show lol.
This is actually a very popular opinion lmao. I don’t draw or post certain artwork of characters because I’m scared of how people will react,and I’m black myself! 😂
Also great art!
Thank you!! 🙏🏾 ❤️
Lol same
Yes, I’m black myself and most of my personal poc characters I keep to myself because I’m afraid of how some people might interpret it. I began to develop a more cartoony style and I admit that it’s sometimes hard to add or express specific features when the art style may influence how it looks on the character. I’m still learning and trying different ways to make it work because I want to be a professional someday. I enjoy the pace I’m performing at now.
@@jeimii4834if y’all are worried how your art represents certain communities then maybe y’all should take the time to study said ethnic group/community, and their cultural then draw accurate portrayals before deciding to post online
@@wompwompcryabttit Yes, I always, always think about representing correctly if I choose to express that in my art, so I don’t post unless I’m confident enough in my understanding. I’m practicing to expand my art style enough to identify different ways to show it! I’m still discovering✌️🖤!
If someone comes up to me and tells me I'm "obligated" to know how to draw every ethic feature and body type, I'd tell them to draw it themselves. C'mon, it's not like art takes years to learn and knowing anatomy and wrinkle distribution takes even longer (sarcasm) (i can't draw overweight or old characters yet)
art is really hard :( twitter needs to shut up or shut down at this point
no.... if twitter shuts down they'll just migrate elsewhere. keep them in twitter
If anyone told me this I'd tell them to eat my ass. I'm an artist, and I fucking do what I fuckin want. And I'm both black and chubby.
im not sure about this take because as an artist, i get it 100% that things take time to learn -- but if youre also drawing those ethnic groups/body types semi regularly, i think there is some inherent responsibility to learn how to represent it properly rather than brushing it off. but thats just my opinion :)
@@andrestars5374 if people are learning, they should be allowed to make mistakes as well. they aren't brushing it off, just saying that it. yknow, takes time and as such, isn't gonna look perfect 100% of the time
Twitter must never shutdown, the idiots might migrate.
This is why I don’t have Twitter. The amount of rude people on that site that are out for blood is appalling.
Its not just Twitter. I used to see a ton of stuff like this on Tiktok when I used it
It's why I deleted mine.
@@RaidenKunii Any social media with a lot of kids and american political activists.
yOu meAn X???
where do you think they came from
that's right baby right from the tube
they turn twisted here and get shot off there
it's kinda wacky when art is suppose to be a creative open thing and people out here gatekeeping it? and fan-artist shows their appreciation by drawing a character for free and share it FOR FREE just to get dunked on is so raw. and kinda funny sad. i doubt the artist will stop making what they love or enjoy doing just cause some stranger online didn't like the art.
Worse is when you do a human version fanart of a non-human character and people dogpile on you because you "got the skin tone wrong" just because of people began to use that color pick and color wheel trick and thinks that it makes the character being dark skinned "canon". One thing is if the official source said so, another is a popular headcanon. 🤷♀️
@@assssaaasasass thinking about the individual artist who gets dogpiled. when it comes down to it i don't like people who tell others to do the unspeakable. considering the whole incident awhile back with the steven universe fandom. that artist took it personally and anyone who contributed to belittled or threatened them to that point they saw no way out. are absolute scum in my eyes.
i don't think all entitled gatekeeping is the same but some is borderline murder.
at the end of the day it's just a drawing on an artist's page, it's not going to came alive murder people.
(for the love of reality i hope not.)
This is why when teaching my future sister in law how to draw I expressed with so much importance:
Do NOT post your work and do NOT get involved with the online art community
People are bruutal
@@Akalim
i agree being online can be dangerous there's a sense of risk and rewards to being anyone online.
thou, i think we are all entitled to a safe place online. the internet is our biggest information dump and communications. internets is a society in it's own right. it's a matter of carving our own safe space out for ourselves and being privy to scams, doxxers and harassers. blocking and reporting them helps make the internet somewhat safer. if the internal report system works. qwq
@@TeasilaNova oh for sure! But since she's just starting out as an adult i worry about her getting ripped to shreds
We're definitely entitled to a safe space but whether or not people will respect that safe space is a tossup
I actually saw someone reply to the obligation post with the concern of being harrassed for doing it wrong and the OP replied with "just listen to the people criticizing you". Completely ignoring the idea of possible bullying. It comes off like people on the internet can't tell the difference between critique and harassment.
A lot of people can't which has lead to the mere mention of criticism to be seen as someone wanting to bully people...which sucks because all this is gonna do is stunt so many artists' growth because people had to go and misrepresent what criticism actually is!
@@meanncat3050 Well lets not forget that a lot of criticism verbiage is as delicate as an ICBM explosion
And it needs to be a 2 way street. I often have to point out that pixel art's biggest and most important rule is to have consistent pixel sizing, yet rookies will turn into the largest assholes the moment I politely inform them. Mixels (mixed size or shape pixels) only work well in limited use, like particles, and you have to learn a lot to be able to effectively use it
@@JMDAmigaMusic I am not artist so i say this as an outsider. That is for the individual to decide. Listening to criticism isnt a bad thing at all. Yeah maybe it would be nice to learn how to draw certain ethnicities one may be unfamiliar with as that only expands your talents, BUT if the people criticizing the art style are not the artists clients, then they should probably not care. Niche artist are a thing. I am no furry, but i can totally respect niche furry artist, because they are fine tuning a craft that I would not even begin to touch. They dont need to suddenly learn how to draw afrocentric art just because some random fcukface told em they need to learn. If a client wants to pay and the artist agrees to draw an afrocentric style painting, then by all means go for it. Will probably be nice for you.
Artist already get enough shlt from people wanting to just pay with exposure. Exposure does not pay the bills.....least not THAT TYPE of exposure...maybe another type.
You don't HAVE to learn how to draw certain people or things, however they are useful things to learn, depending on if art is a hobby or job or what industry you want to go into specifically.
exactly! if you don't want to draw diverse bodies, you don't have to. but learning to draw them will help you improve drastically. it's especially useful if you ever need the skill in the future. the same goes for nearly every subject in art. imo having diverse subjects is also just fun?
it can also be rlly fun to practice, and paint relaistic things and learn skills like anatomy! but nobody should be forced to do that. i spend abt 4 years as a kid just goofing off drawing very un-accurate stuff. i was a kid, i wasn't rlly ready for that stuff and even if i tried i dont think id have had the experience to do it properly. now i find joy in doing that stuff. forcing it wouldn't have helped at all, art is a slow journey and its ok just to draw for fun for a while.
@@toxizenz yessssss! (also isn't it kinda weird how people don't want to portray diverse people?? I do think there is some underlying racism/abelism, in that ngl...)
@@hollystop it is imo... to me drawing anything outside of skinny/white/abled isn't something that's "forced"; drawing only one type of person would be boring when there's so many body types and skin tones that's beautiful and fun to portray. even when i was a kid i had POC characters i liked to draw. it kinda irks me when people talk like that.
like... you only want to draw one type of person? you don't want to try to improve and broaden your skills? why? that's not fun at all, that's frustrating.
@@toxizenz yes! I’ve always loved drawing super curly hair (like 4c) even if that meant drawing afro “circle hair” when I was younger XD. Did it look good? Nope but I enjoyed it!
People who say “Artists are Obligated” don’t respect art or the artists. And it’s quite funny, and by funny I mean annoying, that these stupid takes are what always get the most attention. No, a style isn’t “bad” just because the artist hasn’t learned how to incorporate certain elements yet, maybe they’re still learning and trying to get it right.
As someone who draws mostly men, whenever I get those, “Do you ever draw [XYZ]?” Instant mute/block, it might be a bit extreme to most, from where I’m sitting and my experience in the internet, these people weren’t/aren’t going to be fans of yours even if you start doing the things they said you “SHOULD” be drawing.
Fr and I just don’t care what people say about my characters, the best I can do is ignore and block them and if they cry about it they can fucking cry about it
Damn you fr just called me out. I'm not a huge fan of drawing women and women I do they're either "fat"(I call them thicc) or muscular. I don't draw those in between physiques. Other than that it's all men and mostly dark men because I find the skin easier to shade.
I mostly draw muscular and skinny people. Sometimes they're not even people. A lot of them are demons and other creatures. And none of them are chubby. I'd be bullied off the platform. I'll never share my art 😵
I know my comment has nothing to do with the take, but I usually draw a lot of buff and thin people. That's primarily because I was hit hard with the anime influence.
I usually play it off as "I am not obligated to satisfy your wants and needs."
I was once called "gay" for mostly drawing characters of the same sex as myself even though I had some drawings of the opposite sex. (This was in real life. Not on the internet as I'm MIA from mostly all platforms)
To be fair. The majority of so called artists are not professional in any way and should not be labelling themselves as such. A professional is paid to produce, if the customer dosnt like the end result, you either sell it to them or you start again. Its very simple and the art community have seriously screwed up this very basic and simple transaction.
so...from what ive gathered, its okay to draw miguel hypersexualized, big muscled, thicque shoulders, never skipped an arm/leg day (as the NORM) AND!!!! HE GOT CAKE FOR DAYS!!!!!, but then you cannot draw a fem version the same way...? its like, sorry. being a HOT WOMAN is illegal now.
🗣 🗣 🗣 SPEAK ON IT!! There’s a ton of hypocrisy. But be careful, there’s also people that think if you find the 6 foot, muscled, masculine man hot you might be fetishizing Mexicans and MOC. (That’s actually a take I’ve seen! 😩)
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@@Spo0ksi or maybe people thirst for him to death cause he's hot it's actually a lot simpler than some people may think huh
@@Spo0ksi WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE HELP
@@Spo0ksi Ain't no way they be accusing others of fetishizing, I swear they be throwing that word around at anything they don't like PERIOD. 💀
Even if you're from or in that culture/race/ethnicity/sexuality/identity BRO SOMEONE SERIOUSLY SAID I COULDNT READ BL/YAOI IF I DIDNT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY AS A BOY OR IF WAS GAY (ngl i saw so many of them hate on women for reading it, saying they're creeps or that they're fetishizing gay men...) 😭😭 I guess even if the person is a fully grown adult with common sense, i suppose to THESE people no one can read lgbtq media if you ain't specifically the thing you reading about...
it's funny because most of the time the person complaining about what others read or watch...End up watching/reading the exact thing they condemn others for..
I think this is exactly my reason for being scared to post my poc ocs because i have pretty anime-ish art style and Im scared that people would start to harass me if I colour or draw them wrong.
I’m scared and I’m black lol so I don’t post a lot of fan art especially because I use traditional art supplies the most so making skin tone exact may not be possible at times I try tho🥲
@magicalgalaxylavender I get it! I draw digitally but when I want to draw my ocs traditionally I don't colour them because I don't have any crayons of their skin colour and where I live crayons that aren't the standard one are pretty expensive (ToT)
@@alpacatherapy07 People on Twitter get mad whenever you draw POC characters look like their race too, though. They call every black character with bigger lips, bigger noses and bigger chins "sambo caricatures" even when they're clearly based on photo refferences. So just say "Fuck Twitter" and post your characters, bro, cause you can't possibly not piss anyone on that cursed app. What really matters is your intent and so far, it sounds like your intent is to not be racist.
@@magicalgalaxylavender I honestly find it easier to color/render in skin realistically whenever I am working traditionally but that's just me. What kind of art supplies do you use?
my style is anime-ish too but i did draw black chars and it worked pretty well, id say you can curve the nose
I went too deep into TV Tropes and encountered similar attitudes when it comes to writing. The Bechdel Test, "fridging", the dreaded Mary Sue. Basically "you can't write women in any compromising positions or negative situations but also you can't make them too powerful but also they have to be Strong and Independent and can't rely on a man for anything, or else your work is going to be labelled sexist". Like bro sometimes the woman is a gossipy tradwife whose greatest joy is her clean house/young children, sometimes she's a badass teen dystopia protagonist who has no interest in a heterosexual relationship, and sometimes she's something in between those two things! Whatever the story requires her to be and whatever kind of character SHE is, she just IS! Whatever kind of character the character is, they just ARE!
Thank God that people are finally learning that overpowered and invincible characters doesn't automatically mean good writing
artists don’t owe anyone representation, ever. that includes artists whose ideas succeed and become media.
that’s what I’ve always thoughtttt i’m glad this video and comment exists because I myself noticed how people were pushing the idea that artists owe representation
@ummtulip yes!! Especially since certian people express themselves and their experiences through their art. Basically what I'm getting at is like my ocs and my art is based on me, how I've grown up, the things I've seen, and what I've been drawn to. I live in a very small north American town and I have not barely ever met any black people my age or even in general. I also live in a family where most of my cousins and my dad and sisters are on the lean side. My heritage and culture is mainly European German and caucasian, with hints of tropical places like Papua new guinea and Paraguay where my parents grew up in my home, usually in the form of trinkets and stories. My dad is German and my mum is mostly Dutch, English and Irish.
This is why I tend to not draw dark skinned people, I don't usually see them as often. But I want to be able to express what I've experienced and learned, which has been much of my own mental disabilities, experience and lifestyle, rather than minority lives, like poc, women (especially with their bodies and body issues), and physically handicapped people, which I do not know the experiences of well.
When I learn art better, I will become more diverse. But I only feel safe expressing things I have an understanding of.
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Lol, yall taking the wrong lessons as stated in this to justify your predijuces and nonsense.
The thing I find annoying about this is, how far are we willing to extend this rule of having to draw everyone?? I barely see people draw Arabs, Indians, or idk maybe someone Turkish? Just a few examples. If people are saying that you HAVE to be able to draw certain groups of people then why are we drawing the line at black people? All these Twitter people "care so much about representation" but are ignorant of the fact of how ignorant they are to a variety of different people. Black people deserve representation in media and art. Just like everyone else does. But those people who push this narrative onto others' simply forget about everyone else who basically has no representation at all. It doesn't make sense. I think it's important for every artist to learn how to draw different features at one point in their life. Just because it's great to open yourself up to different cultures and styles. But I would never force it onto someone and say "Hey! you gotta draw this and that or else you're a bad person!". Don't forget about other pocs. Try different stuff when or if you feel like it. And draw whatever and whoever you want
And as a black artist, I hate those types of people, and I would not spend my time crying if someone did not draw my race
If these people want rep so bad, they should do it themselves
yes! someone said it. there's more diversity than just black and white, or black, brown and white.
The world has so much diversity,, and as the video said, representation is of more value when it's genuine
@@txchia Mhm! And people forget black people are very diverse too, there are some in Africa born with blonde hair and blue eyes, my mom told me that
So there is no one strict way to draw a race, I’ve noticed people put a scrict rule on how to draw black people like wider noses and bigger lips etc
Hell I’m black and my lips are small
People really forget how diverse anyone is
People really need to get it in their head that some random artist on the internet is not equal to big studios and corporations. One is personal work and if they choose to back themselves into a specific niche only so be it, they are susceptible to human mistakes and not knowing things because there’s a bazillion amount of things to care about out there. Corporations however, yeah you are fair to expect proffesionall work from self advertized proffesionals who run the chance to influence pop culture and how people view certain things.
Idk it’s that kind of shit that could just be solved by people not jacking off to how much more socially virtous they are, and making misstakes/not knowing shit not immedietly resulting in the individual and their friends getting harrased to hell by people that act like medieval peasants at a public execution. Idk man you don’t go to the solely-vanilla flavoured cake maker and then demand strawberry, you go to the strawberry cake maker and promote their shit instead. Which I’m sure most people who actually want strawberry cake over drama do alteady, still it’s worth to say it
@@quit3118 Yeah AND black people have different cultures. It's a shocker for many but black people don't always share the same exact culture just because they're black, just like white people. For example, German and Swedish people are white but do they share the same culture???? no????? And their facial features have their differences too, they don't look the same just bc they're both white. People always draw black ppl with big lips and broad noses and decide to call it a day. Not every black person looks the same. Maybe I drifted off with the cultures thing a bit, I was thinking of something I saw today. Someone drew a person from Niger (the country...😭I feel like people don't even know it exists but anyways) and they drew them with traditional makeup and clothes for some kind of celebration (I forgot the name) and it just becomes so clear that not every black person shares the same culture as the other. So yeah setting rules to always draw big lips and wider noses is so silly to me bc not everyone looks the same
Personally, I think of learning how to draw certain body types, color skin tones, etc. like cooking.
You're not obligated to learn how to do it, but boy does it help.
shh, you can't say that, the people who are scared of drawing fat & black folks will dogpile you if you do lmao
and you only gotta do it when you want to, or if you're paid to
I remember a time where my body dysmorphia was so severe that drawing people with my body type (ie. Chubby/overweight) caused me extreme anxiety and upset. I’m not like that now, happy to say, but good god- I knew someone who told me to just get over it and to draw bigger people even when I was genuinely struggling.
Even without that aspect of myself, not everyone is OBLIGATED to draw anything. Just let people draw what they want, no politics or anything involved. You never know what someone’s mindset is at any given time anyways.
Same. Working on it.
SO real. Art is such a personal experience, it's rude to try to tell someone where they should be on their journey. Everyone grows in their own way and no one is obligated to take a criticism
This is honestly why I’m glad I didn’t (and still don’t lol) have a popular art account when I was a younger artist, because I got to develop my skills without having people screaming over my shoulder. So now I can draw different types of people because I appreciate how God made humans diverse and not because Im scared of being jumped in the comments section.
same
This. Great results come out of passion and free will, not punishments. You can't plant a fruit tree under inhospitable conditions and expect it to survive and bear good fruit
I’ve had people call me a “racist pig” for hardly posting art of characters with darker skin (I do draw POC, but more so east asians, like me) and have been insulted further for so much as having OCs with light skin that it drives me insane how entitled Twitter/Tumblr users think they are to diversity in someone else’s work 🙃 Like I just wanna draw what I like and I’m not going to force myself to draw a fat black person just to make a rando on the internet happy LMAO. I’ll draw that when *I* want to, y’know?
Funny cause I do draw black people a lot too. A lot of it is inspired by my girlfriend, who is black. But because internet users can’t see that, they want to complain and call me racist/colorist. Sigh!
I’m glad some people understand ❤️
The word “racist” is losing its meaning now thanks to these idiots who call literally everything they see “racist”.
I’m sorry you had to go through that. There’s nothing worse than being accused of something you aren’t.
I’ve had people do the same thing to me because all I ever draw is one straight ship and get mad at me for not drawing more that are LGBTQ+.
Like, I can’t help it! I’m a straight person and I model this one only couple that I draw on how I dream my own relationship would go.
@@misfitdragonintheskyandsta6296 i believe it's because if they see artists draw only straight couples they assume the artist is homophobic. i've seen that kind of reasoning too many times.
@@zari-06 And I wish they wouldn’t assume that. My preferences for drawing straight ships is just like someone preferring to draw a gay or lesbian ship because they themselves are gay or lesbian.
And they don’t know me truly as a person. I have a good trans friend and I’m going to my cousin’s wedding in two days and he’s gay. I should start telling these particular people “would I really be skipping class when a paper is due, drive 5 hours and take a huge hit in my budget to stay at a hotel all to go support someone who is gay if I’m really homophobic?”
@kingolly
If someone's calling you a "racist pig" just remember that you don't have to accept this defamation and being treated that way and much less to give them even the time of your day.
If someone calls you names like that, don't answer, block them and report them for "hate speech/harassement". It's the only way to teach these people.
I once had a small instagram account filled with my personal drawings. As an Asian person, specifically SEA, I mainly drew fan art from Asian media and characters that looked like me. Not because I was obligated to, but because I had fun doing so. Eventually though, I felt a weird pressure to draw more “diverse” characters because I was afraid that people would think less of me if I didn’t. After some reflection, I realized that people are always free to follow a DIVERSE group of artists to see more DIVERSE characters. Why expect every artist to draw everyone when you can follow everyone to see everything? There’s no follow limit.
Being able to learn to draw humans regardless of their body type, skin tone or facial features is something that you should aim for if you want to become a professional artist. However, if you're just a hobbyist who likes to doodle stick figure like characters, and view your art as just a therapeutic outlet rather than something you want to perfect, then that's honestly fine by me. Love or hate me but I think there's a lot of classism and agism in the art community where everybody who's an adult is expected to perfect their craft as if they do want to turn their art into success but not everybody has to have the same art goals. Some people literally only do art because it's good for their mental health.
Having pro and hobbyist at same place and on same reach length did something to art community. Before it was awesome to see how pros can draw all kinds of things, now people demand pro skill level from people doing commissions as little compensation for time and effort. And even just people drawing for fun
I think you nailed the problem on its head actually: putting professional expectations on hobbyist artists
I agree, but it's not even that. Look at the way how they put their expectations and "constructive" criticisms forward and you'll realise quickly, that that's no way to treat anyone, be they hobbyists or professionals.
Absolutely preach
I dislike when people think artists are obligated to make their characters diverse. I make my characters to represent me. Despite being able bodied and white, I don’t see any characters that are like me or represent me anywhere. Heavily scarred characters are often portrayed as fighters instead of just overly adventurous dumbasses like myself. Characters that take many things seriously aren’t seen not taking their personal life seriously. I never see my physical features represented with my personality type which is why I make my characters the way I do.
i never see characters with my personality not portrayed as bad or nonexistent so i’m trying to learn writing i feel what your saying in my soul i don’t see characters with some of my features but as an artist i don’t really want to draw them either so yeah
@@wild.berryz If I may ask, how is your personality like?
@@xx-hw2hr the ONLY asexual characters i have seen have been on a condition (forced x-ray vision) that makes them ace, queerbait, or their BEING ARO/ACE IS SEEN AS A BAD THING.
@@cewla3348You might like Lillith from the show 'The owl house'.
@@DiruseJust giving my own opinion as an aroacespec person: I'm not a huge fan of Lilith as aro or ace rep since neither is portrayed in the show whatsoever, only on a stream outside the show. If you only watched the show, you wouldn't know she was aro & ace. Love Lilith but not as representation
People saying you're obliged to represent everything in your drawings are crazy. Do these MFs expect you to have a quota list of drawing a fat Alaskan, Native American, Indian, African, South East Asian, etc.
When I picked up a pencil to draw a cute anime girl for the first time, I didn't sign up to document every ethnic group with all possible body types in the entire human race, damn.
So real. Like, not everyone is a whole expert on all world ethnicities or whatever. It is a lot. People will start where they start, some people will stay in their comfort zone, others will only learn as they need to, and pick things up as they go. It is OKAY to have your own art journey. What next an art textbook that everyone has to pass a test on before they are allowed to pick up a pencil? Better not give them ideas
I, too often make art based on whims. This means I probably won't be in the mood to do representation most of the time, but like, it should be used effectively, not to have a shallow cop-out (and even then, it won't satisfy them)
Honey, it's time to draw your weekly quota of dark skin characters so you won't be accused of being a racist ❤
What happened to art being fun? Like why does it ALWAYS have to match everybody’s preferences, can’t I just… draw???
I think drawing human/humanoid characters of different ethnicities, body types, and disabilities is super fun! My favorite part is the hair :3
i just draw actually
I draw gunz girlz n' memez (very important things)
@@gh0stward0o0 not saying that isn’t fun, just don’t understand why some people try to force others to draw stuff they don’t want to :^
I have been working professionally for the past 10+ years, I only accept changes from clients because they are paying for the art.
If a random person gives their opinion, I read it, and one thing that is really easy to disarm a person is this- “Thank you for your opinion, I will keep that in mind the next time I draw this character”, it kind of puts them in a hard spot, because being polite and kind makes them to be the ones in the wrong (and some are, many do give bad faith opinions).
I try to bring variety to my art, because as a professional you have to draw many different things, and you never know what a client wants and keep in mind, that once you give the artwork to the client(I'm not talking about personal commissions) this same artwork can be changed without your consent, but since they paid for the artwork they can do whatever they want, it's the simple reality of commercial illustration, if anyone ever wants to enter this professional field, be prepared, most of the time you only find out the colors have been changed when the artwork is out in the wild.
People feel entitled to others arts, but again, it truly is hard when you want to share a drawing that you are doing for fun, and a random person gives you a list of how wrong your work is.
If the person is not drawing something extremely offensive, let them have fun, let them draw, is not hurting anyone.
Kids, don't gate keep art, and try to be kinder to others, remember the person behind the artwork has feelings too so stop trying to get a reaction from them, it's not easy to be an artist, so a little bit of kindness can help a lot.
This. If you want an artist to change their art, pay them. Anything else is highly unacceptable.
Just a rant but that situation is actually really funny to me 😂 😂 Learning how to draw POCs/plus size today almost feels like an obligation, something you're pressured into doing (and it's even worse if you're a POCs/plus size yourself)
Meanwhile drawing dark skinned POCs (ex. black, south asians, afrolatinos) and plus size characters gets surprisingly less interaction and shares than other kinds of people.
I don't like to compare artists but most popular artists on IG (+1M subs) don't draw plus size/dark skinned.
Like make it make sense 🧍🏾
You’re actually so right for that omg. Many popular artists Ik on Insta don’t draw dark skinned/plus sized people now that I think of it 😭
@@hakujoudaidraws2633 It's because they can draw anything they wanted. They're not braindead insecure Twatter Artists
@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad let the smart people handle this and sit this one out 😂
drawing fat people is harder because of all the rolls and hanging fat. I think it was Rembrandt who painted fat people to show off his skills
its because people hate black people and their skin by majority around this world. In general dark skin is disliked, hence why there is many skin lightening products around the entire world.
Its a true fact. People just dont like to admit it that whiter skin is the ideal in many cultures (some of it caused or further pushed by European imperialism & colonialism).
People who are making these pushes for more black POC characters are just trying to appear morally superior and are trying to police/pressure artists on purpose out of spite. Because mainly they don't even know how to draw and due to jealousy they take it out on others with petty claims that they are secretly racist & hate POC.
I remember seeing two posts on tumblr before saying how "dont complain about not being able to draw men when you cant draw poc/fat people" and "if you cant draw fat characters/draw characters skinny your fatphobic" and stuff. Was weird i think
Also your fem eggman is fucking adorable i love. Her !!!!
Those posts you're talking about just reeks of virtue signaling and moral grandstanding.
@@elliotville7820 yeaa
@@elliotville7820 It's the easiest way to farm like and retweet.
I dont draw black people. I dont draw white people. Nor i draw Hispanic, Native and Asians.
I draw reptiles, dragons, and cars.
Me but with mysterious cloaked figures and monsters
Cars?
@@commiesfromdownunder what about em?
@@lohostege I thought it was a typo of cats😭
ok but are the colours of the dragons' scales diverse
Online "artists" complain about possibly being supplanted with AI and then go on to do shit like this.
I wonder what they're going to do when they find out that artists don't even have to draw human beings.
😂 Exactly. I don't even use human skintone for my characters. Most people don't complain and I love the freedom of not creating things people can easily associate with their own warped social beliefs. They have to work to make a connection and I like it this way. But animals, machines, and even just abstract forms can also be great things to make characters from.
They're going to be like: "Hey why don't you paint more Savannah and jungle rainforests in your medieval inspired European landscape??? Are you climatzone phobic!!!????"
WHEHAHEHA
@@rickymartin4457 NO PLEASE DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS HAHAHA
@@aiiiia9971 You're right, I shouldn't encourage them haha
Finally. I thought I was wrong feeling that this was too much and that artists are allowed to draw what they want while not being disrespectful.
I dislike artists that only draw semi realistic stereotypically atractive thin women because they lack diversity in general on their work, but I can simply just scroll by and find someone that I like instead of being a bully.
Exactly. By only hating hating hating instead of supporting artists that you DO like, you are just adding to the uproar and the problems
Exactly. I get it gets tiring but people don’t need to be snarky like that one twitter user.
0:01 right when u flashed in my lightbulb exploded-
WHAT-
Is okay to draw one type of body type of character.
It is limiting and lacks growth? Yes, but art doesn't need to be something one do seriously
But try to explain this to Twitter. The same thing that canceled Japanese artists for not painting Camilo in THE SAME PALLET
I get the argument, but I don't think Twitter (R.I.P Bird :() is known for having a brain...
I was hesitant to see what your opinion was based on the title, but the longer I listened the more I learned I actually agreed with you but didn’t know how to word it.
As an artist who’s a part of several minority groups, I do feel that while representation is nice, I agree it’s better if it comes from a place of genuine want to further your craft / allyship (and what I mean by that is- at least for me, I like making diverse characters for my comics because I didn’t have a lot of rep growing up, and it makes me happy to see my own identities showcased, and I enjoy doing the same for other communities my friends/people I admire are in. But because I want to, not that I feel obligated).
Learning art is hard, especially when sometimes there aren’t sufficient tutorials on how to draw the thing you want to learn (prime example, I couldn’t find nearly any examples on how to draw a cane appropriately until I took photos of my own and scaled the proportions to paper, and compared that to other pictures of cane users)
The internet will always assume malice before ignorance, and it’s honestly depressing to think about, especially because there’s probably a lot of young artists who worry about backlash simply from trying to learn. And if you’re teaching yourself how to draw and you want to improve, it’s hard to do so without some level of feedback
Anyone trying to learn a new art principle, be patient with yourself, and try not to take the internet too seriously 💙✨
“I’m just tired of seeing the same thing all the time from artists…” SO JUST MAKE IT? What artists make is what they wanna see anyway, so give yourself the same joy
I swear the art community seems toxic as hell 😭😭😭 !!
yup, thats why i post my art on some specific discord servers and never on twitter
I just don't post mine where Americans can see it
That's what happen when children are being taught about diversity, inclusivity and equity before they can even do 1+1.
@@Acueil Nah, they are just cunts.
good for seeing slippery slope in action
“Artist are obligated to draw disabled, poc and plus size characters” ❌❌❌❌
“Artist should try learning how to draw disabled, poc and plus size characters” ✅✅✅✅✅
You aren't obligated to try to learn how to draw them either, like someone else said before what if you are a landscape artist who dosen't draw/ want to draw/ want to learn how to draw anyone?
But even outside that if you are allowed to refuse to draw them then you are allowed to refuse to learn how to draw them as well, they kinda go hand in hand.
There are lots of things to learn in life so why waste time learning something you didn't want to learn in the first place when you could have learned something you accsually did want to learn?
Dude those two sentences are literally the same thing, the second one is just worded more nicely. Saying that they SHOULD try learning how to do something is the same thing as saying that they are obligated to.
No one should have to learn anything they dont want to. As someone in the comments already mentioned, Frida Kahlo who is an incredibly famous artist drew literally nothing but self portraits of herself. She never learned how to paint other kinds of people, and yet she is still a famous artist that many people look up to because despite always using the same subject, her self portraits were all extremely creative and expressive.
As long as their art isnt being used to intentionally harm or degrade someone, people should just be allowed to draw whatever they want regardless of whether they include disabled or POC people in their work or not. Draw and paint whatever inspires you.
@@starlette7820 You still are able to understand what op was trying to say. By definition, the word “should” can imply obligations yes but it is also used to give advice, i.e “you should go to bed.”
@@sadblob4577I'm not doing that either rn
@@CoffeeBnuuy LMAO real, i went to bed at 3
Thats like telling a person who travels to know every language ever spoken 🤨
Its literally so hard to draw something you LIKE, and to then POST it online, hoping you are liked…..
I mean, you should at least know the greetings but other than that, I agree.
i find it funny that these people persecute artists for making mistakes on diverse characters but then also shame artists if they don’t draw those characters out of love but out of obligation. gee i wonder why that happened??
Dude the genderbent Miguel fanart had me so mad! So glad many other artists ended up pushing back against the toxic crowd.
I watched Tazak’s video. It was pretty good. Informative, concise, kinda goofy, but made with good intentions. I believe that it was made as sort of a response to the Kooleen situation (maybe???) and possibly to the people who criticise artists like Sam does Arts for “being unable to draw dark skinned people.” The only complain I had about the video is that the drawings of the darker skin characters didn’t reflect much light on the skin, which is something that a lot of black and brown people pointed out, but me and most of those people agreed that it was mistake rather than it being intentionally left out.
yeah, i thought so as well. i feel like the title and the cancellation part (in the title) was more of a joke, sorta like the hyperbole and exaggeration people do for clickbait (such as: fixing your trash art, etc)
EDIT: Sorry about the audio being jankey! I’ll look out for that next video. :)
Hope you guys like this video!! Please let me know what you want to see in the future!
I also have a question for you all:
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i meannnn ig i like drawing stuff i like (fictional characters and stuff like that) bc i dont know how to express my love for something other than drawing it ig its kind of a love language in a way for me heck i draw for ppl that i enjoy spending time with like friends fir example bc art for me is how i show my appreciation lol
(sorry for the long comment 💀)
So I am a traditional watercolor artist (non-digital). I do still life art, with food being my main subject, and the way that I approach my artwork is that I go with a more vibrant and colorful bright art style. I am practicing to draw people though, but in my private time.
Art is something that's personal to me because it's my way of finding purpose in life and it brings my joy. I have difficulty in expressing my thoughts and feelings, so I would much rather prefer to draw it out instead.
I approach art with the goal of trying to depict human emotion. I draw semi realistic characters (mostly female so far)
I mainly draw anime fanart and chibi stickers cuz it's fun!
I'm very glad I stumbled upon your channel, as the subjects you talk about are interesting and your takes/commentaries are ones that actually makes sense to me.
Personally, I don't consider the *"Every artists are OBLIGATED"* post and Tazak's video title to be comparable to two sides of the same coin.
One is a demand that leaves no room for the interpretation of "...being able to depict more variety makes you a better artist".
It doesn't matter if makes you a better of worse artist, draw the fat or face the wall.
The other seems like a light-hearted jest on a very prevalent aspect of social media that is sprinkled into a video which actually teaches you something.
Though I haven't watched the video either, so I can't tell if it actually offered a tutorial.
Thank you for making this video and for reminding me of the Knuckles fanart "fixes", those were... something.
(RANT) I only draw animals and have somehow been called racist over that??
I still have representation, like having certain animals be amputated, having certain animals be different body types than overs, etc.
I also have human OCs, but don’t draw them, just use gacha life, and those have representation, yet I’m still somehow racist? I’m slowly starting to think people just hate on me for being a white artist.
I'm sorry to hear this is happening to you; I hope things get better for you soon
Damn dude, people suck
"THAT'S RACIST, THAT'S RACIST!!!!" -Ricky Berwick
I'm gonna say this. I would love to draw and write characters of different cultures and walks of life, but I feel like no matter how much I research and how much effort I put in to perfectly capture a culture. I won't be able to do it, and if I accidentally do it wrong on any way, I'm going to get screwed over.
So between the choice of having characters from diverse backgrounds and different races vs playing it safe. I'll probably always play it safe.
I may have cannon backgrounds that no one will ever know but that's just for me
I don't have to draw shit. each demand for me to draw diverse characters will make me spend another year not drawing them
Disabled artist here! I agree that nobody is obligated to draw anything. Hell, I'm a cane user and former wheelchair user and I can't draw those, so I don't. I'm not comfortable drawing those things just because it's very hard to do and can be stressful, especially when you're self-conscious about your art (hi, I'm one of those people, lol) and won't accept it if it doesn't look the way you were hoping.
Don't force yourself to draw something that you don't want to, especially if it's too hard! I'm also not good with drawing people of color and people with anything but really thin body types, mostly because I'm just bad with proportions, so I just don't draw that kind of stuff (to be fair I just can't draw humans in general). While it's always good to learn, it's also good to ask for some constructive criticism from trusted people who might know how to draw those things so they can give some good advice!
I think that artists should draw what they themself want to draw. Yes, if you get a commission of a very specific thing, if you happen to accept the commission you should do your best to please the customer, but if it's a project of your own, then do what you feel works for the art.
The biggest issue I think happens way too often is that some people don't know how to give critique. Instead of even trying to be polite and suggest different methods of working, far too often people go straigth into being as rude as possible and just yelling "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!" without telling what is wrong or not understanding how for example colours and shading work.
Unpopular opinion: Want me to draw whatever the fuck you want, pay me.
People kept saying pretty shitty stuff about the way I draw women, calling them ugly, too muscular etc...
So I stopped drawing women.
It's for a similar reason, that I never really draw POC... I'm already insecure about my art as is, I don't need heaps of people telling me that everything I touch sucks.
I found my little comfort zone, of just drawing hot elf and demon boys, but man, I don't dare step out of it for even a second.
Step out of it!! don’t take those comments so seriously. MUSCULAR WOMEN ARE SUPER SEXY. Even if they are ugly for them who really cares, if YOU’re not satisfied draw and try more. I love drawing women and find a lot of difficulties with men but if they are feminine, blend or ugly who really cares the next drawing will get better or not depending on what I want from it. That’s totally ok. Don’t stop you’re growing for them, you better than that. Never let people private your creative mind to explore and enjoy learning. You got this ❤
Deprive ** not private sorry aha
Imagine if people would listen to others who don’t believe in them. So many successful people and artists would not be there today :) never forget that !
muscular women are super good looking wtf is with those people 😭one of my main ocs is a muscular woman so i dont get why people get so upset about it?? what do they want, an hourglass? so much for being "progressive"
also theres people who believe shipping 2 ocs together is "incestuous" because "you created them so theyre technically your kids!" .wha t.
anyways dont let those assholes get you to stop drawing, i know its very much easier said than done from personal experience but once you stop caring what those stupid people puke out at you it definitely gets better
@@DarkDragon_Midnight People have a tendency to demand you draw women exactly the way that they, specifically, find them attractive...
It's really dang annoying and entitled and it discouraged me from actually trying to get better at drawing women.
I'm cracked at drawing all kinds of different guys now though ^^;
The video that got taken down, I was able to watch it, and it wasn’t bad at all. The creator also agreed that not having diversity in your art doesn’t make you a bad artist, but drawing at least one person of color can help you not get cancelled because you drew one already. And he showed a good tutorial for drawing dark skin, so idk why he got backlash 😅
The idea behind "drawing at least one person of color can help you not get canceled because you drew one already" is most likely why he got backlash. That falls under forcing people to feel obligated to draw something very specific solely to fill a quota. Plus the implication of never having drawn something before being a green light for getting bullied is absolutely appalling. I'm sure the video was helpful for how to draw people of color, but how messages are conveyed and why they are put out at all are just as important as the message itself, if not more. If he made it a simple tutorial without any "Twitter is gonna cancel and harrass you if you do it wrong" stuff, then people probably would have taken it as a normal tutorial and no backlashing
ppl have to realise that ppl r more comfortable drawing some things over others for example i dont like drawing alot of animals nor do i like to draw backgrounds doesn't mean i hate backgrounds its just my comfort zone is in drawing characters drawing is ab urself and while its great to learn skills like drawing black hairstyles and such ur under no obligation to draw them 😭
TLDR draw watever u want its great if u wanna step out of ur comfort zone and learn new things but its ok if u dont wanna :3
(also i see alot of ppl wanting to draw black characters or Asian characters but are afraid to do so bc of not knowing how to portray their struggles in a realistic way and get backlash for it so if ur one of those ppl talk to a POC there's no shame and we ALL start somewhere
That last part was such a help to me
My opinion is that most people when making art have some sort of self expression in it. Some people express more of who they are than others, at least more obviously. Basically what I'm getting at is like my ocs and my art is based on me, how I've grown up, the things I've seen, and what I've been drawn to. I live in a very small north American town and I have not barely ever met any black people my age or even in general. I also live in a family where most of my cousins and my dad and sisters are on the lean side. My heritage and culture is mainly European German and caucasian, with hints of tropical places like Papua new guinea and Paraguay where my parents grew up in my home, usually in the form of trinkets and stories. My dad is German and my mum is mostly Dutch, English and Irish.
This is why I tend to not draw dark skinned people, I don't usually see them as often. But I want to be able to express what I've experienced and learned, which has been much of my own mental disabilities, experience and lifestyle, rather than minority lives, like poc, women (especially with their bodies and body issues), and physically handicapped people, which I do not know the experiences of well.
When I learn art better, I will become more diverse. But I only feel safe expressing things I have an understanding of.
@guesmpwuam yeah, I really want to learn like diversity in human anatomy and culture, but I learn at my own times.
Yeah those teachers should, especially because it can help others learn to because they are teachers. And the people they teach will most likely want to learn the things they aren't strong with, and for people like me, it is some of those minorities that I don't see often.
@@guesmpwuam thanks man!
This video just popped up on my home and while I don't really get into this side of the art community as its not my cup of tea it makes me so happy that there is at least someone out there finally addressing the elephant in the room as NOBODY talks about it. The problems you just brought up are one of the many reasons I got off of the dumpster fire that was shitter. The toxicity of people being so anal about someone's art/animation and what they are and aren't supposed to do is genuinely embarrassing as an 3D artist. Bluntly, who gives a shit what you draw. As long as it looks good and you are enjoying the craft then what is there to scoff at.
That Miguel artist was DRAGGED through the mud for months for 0 reason other than no one liked their design. I will never post my art ever after watching that go down
I remembered years ago an artist I followed on Tumblr started getting unwarranted and rude criticism about diversity and whatnot that they no longer had the will to continue on drawing. it pissed me off so bad I actually did a ‘social experiment controversial take’ post about forcing one’s tastes upon me since I used to draw and post a lot. unsurprisingly the only ones bitching and moaning about ‘diversity’ towards artists are people who can’t draw
It's always the lazy and yappy fսсkԝаԁѕ. Kinda reminds me of small dog syndrome. Trying to compensate for something they lack or don't have. Also, why tf is it always the Americans that stir up drama
Some people seriously need to be reminded that, for most, art is a HOBBY. And that constantly pestering them about how they draw something is really not helpful. ESPECCIALY in the way Twitter goes about it
I live for this character you drew during the video. Very defined and fun 🧡❤🤍🖤
I remember seeing a review for a random movie, I can't remember what movie exactly, but it said it was boring and having more diversity among the characters would have made it better.
I think this is part of the problem--people conflating "diversity = good story". I think encouraging diversity is a great thing, and it is important to keep in mind if you're aiming to become a professional artist or storyteller. But there are plenty of terrible stories, or even ones that go into the bounds of racism/ableism/etc, that have "diverse" casts. It can reach a wider audience and also improve your own empathy and understanding of the world, but instead of meeting a certain quota, I think there should be more discussion about promoting other's work that genuinely showcases different characters, viewpoints, and stories--and even that shouldn't be "demanded" of anyone. Some people just don't like clutter on their timeline and only want to follow like two people! My two cents anyway.
This bugs me so much, and I'm glad that you brought up the point that some artists are afraid to draw, for example, in different skin tones because they are afraid that they will get it wrong and therefore get cooked for it. I do also agree that learning how to draw different proportions and skin tones can help your art skills be more versatile, but the fear of getting it wrong is what's stopping me. Plus I think it's ironic how people get upity about ethnic characters and their skin tones being perfect to a T (I see this so much with Miguel), meanwhile people constantly make white characters black and no one bats an eye. I just find it strange.
The thing is I've seen ppl on twitter complain about over-exaggerating ethnic features (like making asian skin slightly yellow) because it 'promotes racial stereotypes' but also about removing ethnic features so I'm not really sure what twitter wants anymore. Luckily as a furry artist I don't have to deal with any of this.
I can see maybe slightly yellow, but maybe I’m biased bc my skin has a yellow undertone, sooo
@@chloskyskies4399 Idk I'm asian and I like coloring asians' skins a little yellow. Not too much that they look like they got jaundice but just a bit
maybe if you had a brain to work with you'd be able to see the difference between racist stereotypes and realistic depictions of characters of color. just a thought!
I totally felt this way during the Encanto era. I was so worried if I drew them in the wrong skintone or if the facial features are slightly different. I tend to draw in a semi realistic+anime style, so I usually follow the referenced the styles almost to a T anytime I’m doing a fanart for the first time beause I was so scared of taking too much creative liberties, and even then I was still so scared of making a “cultural/diversity” mistake. Good thing the fanart doesn’t get that many engagements (though kinda sad lol) so there isn’t really any comment about the drawing.
For a long time (I still do this to some extent), I would specifically avoid drawing any diversity that I was not already used to drawing, because I didn't want to get harassed if I did it wrong. I feel like scaring people to the point where they won't even TRY, is worse than someone getting it wrong and you correcting them. Everyone makes mistakes and assuming it's intentional can be really harmful.
Hello I’m a young artist. A year or two ago I started trying to diversify my art but it was because I felt like I had to and it really wasn’t fun. Then I actually acknowledged that I wasn’t doing it for good reasons and started drawing them when I wanted to it was actually really fun! Especially African styles like braids and afros. Admittedly I’m still bad at drawing things like disabilities (despite being disabled myself) but I’m learning! And I’m having fun because I’m not doing it to make others happy I’m doing it to make my art feel more realistic (even though I’m a cartoonist lol) I hope people don’t dig themselves into holes because of other ppl just draw what makes u happy!
People get cancelled for existing nowadays, if they have an unpopular opinion.
Honestly, I have trouble recognizing faces. I also have trouble seeing micro expressions. This leads to me drawing characters that feel familiar (i.e. sharing physical traits with me and close friends/family) and having "same face syndrome". So I actually find it very difficult to draw people who have varying characteristics (i.e. wider nose, higher/lower cheek bones, non-hooded eyes).
Most of my characters are just self depiction, or depicting those close to me (rn mainly being my husband and my kids too. And we all look fairly alike).
I still try to draw characters different from me, but I can't do it from memory/ without references/ as quickly. I can do stuff like darker skin and accessories, but faces especially are very difficult for me to draw. For most of my life I couldn't even bring myself to look at people's faces. I'd constantly even get family members confused. I thought I had like 5 aunt's on my dad's side of the family, when there were only 3. I thought my mom had like 7 brothers. She only had 4.
It's something I struggle with. And something that I'm working to improve. However, I'm not obligated to do so. I don't owe anyone art that looks like them. But my skills are admittedly lacking if I can't, rather than won't.
the saddest part is even if you were to bowl over and conform to their requirements, a small amount of people would still complain and probably say your work is inaccurate or perpetuating stereotypes, which might actually create less diversity in art. i know there's probably a good bit of people who avoid posting work that includes these groups just because their work will be seen as offensive.
i also find a little weird how physical traits are seen as so important, as if the skin color or able status is more important than the character or art style.... why should a character be defined by their disability or their race?
for example, i'm disabled; but it's not a defining trait of mine, i'd be the same person if i woke up "normal" so i try to express traits that actually define who i am, such as my snow leopard ears =^w^=
i mean i draw plenty of self portraits and dont include my disability because i'm lazy or it doesn't fit into my art style, the way i draw hands is very stylized and it'd be impossible to portray my own deformities without changing my overall style lmao doesn't mean i thinks its bad or ugly. it's not like i refuse to portray it, i just dont give a shit :D
it’s awful the way people act towards artists, and tell them they need to do this, or need to draw that if they aren’t comfortable with it or are afraid to post it because of the backlash they’ll receive for mistakes they may make while learning. being an artist is so draining nowadays.
to comment on the tazak video - it made my skin crawl. i didn’t watch the whole video, i don’t think i even watched half of it, because the whole thing rubbed me the wrong way. it felt like the only reason he made it was to show people how to not get canceled, and not to actually give them tips and an actually helpful tutorial. it felt like he was doing it solely as a way to appear as a good artist, not because he actually wanted to.
That makes sense, and why I didn’t want to defend him unless I watched the video myself. I just used it as a launching pad for a vid I was already making so I’d get favored by the algorithm lol.
People on Twitter even demonize my videos so I like to form my own opinions on things first-hand. Can you explain some of the content in the video that you felt was really grimy? I’m just curious! ❤️
And as a black person and artist that video did made me upset, like no one has to draw us for validity points
It’s their art they can do what they want
And it really did rub me the wrong way, especially him kinda defending kooleen in another video, I used to agree with him but now I don’t anymore since I got some sense in me lol-
Ive Seen black artists bash other black artists for making characters "not black enough". Same with women, same with any kind of poc group, theres no Winning
And this is why I’ll never post my art on twitter. Because these loons think they can dictate and bully people, who are mostly doing art for fun, into drawing something they don’t want to draw. Which won’t make them want to learn how to draw those other things. No one is obligated to draw anything, and it really pissed me off when I saw someone in a discord I’m in share a tweet that basically said, “if you can’t draw a black person, or a fat person, or especially a fat black person, you’re not as good an artist as you think you are” and was agreeing to it
My problem is that most of my favorite ocs are morally gray or evil in some way, and that makes me worry, if I depict a character as a minority, will I either not draw them often and get in trouble for that, or get in trouble for making them evil :(
Do what you want. Not only can you not please everyone, but the people who throw the biggest stink about this stuff are the ones who aren’t worth pleasing.
Isn't it more disrespectful to infantilize minorities by refusing to cast them as villains?
@@cerberusmutt4252Twitter activists aren't nuanced enough to notice that kind of thing.
As an artist, I will give a big hearty middle finger to anyone who tells me I MUST draw ANYTHING. I will draw what I want to draw, it is my hands making it, my time and energy being used and I will do it for whatever I please.
Okay.....so can i just say -and i literally CANNOT EXPRESS THIS ENOUGH how grateful and relieved I am as a fellow artist to hear you say this? Most of the time it feels like im the only only one who feel this way because its like I live in this echo chanmber in the art community and if you have the WRONG opinions or do something they dont like, the fanatics in the art community literally will brand you a terrible person with malicious intent. My family and friends CONSTANTLY ask me WHY im not posting my artworks or selling them or even posting them online and part of the reason is what ive seen going on in the art community. Im still debating posting anything I make out of fear of saying or doing something people dont like when there was no ill will involved and having the mob come after me. I have a black character that im designing because ive had her in my head for days that ive come to call jasmine. But because when i imagine her, i see her with beautiful long curly raven hair and because she black, i worry people are going to snap at me saying i did her skin tone wrong or "why didnt you give her dreads!?" Or something silly like that. Its crazy how they go on a witch hunt for you when your just learning or trying to create something new or beautiful. As an artist i never thought with all these new 'thou shalt not' rules that the art community is placing on artists that I would EVER feel like i was being told to paint inside the frame so to speak. It feels so restrictive. But hearing you talk about this makes me feel like im a solider walking through a mine feild and i just found a fellow solider trying to survive to draw another day. So for that thank you! I feel alot less alone in the art community now that i know its not just me who feels this way and it feels nicer on your channel like we can just relax and draw. Thank you so much and you just got a new subscriber.
I’m absolutely 100% certain that many artists will insert a certain minority group into their art not because they actually care to, but because they have to meet an invisible quota
Just started calling them “Moral High Ground Artists” myself. The ones draw poc, break stereotypes etc which is great *for them* but they just can’t not go to another page and call someone one of the ‘ists or ‘phobic off of minor errors or simply drawing things they’re comfortable with. It’s like they have to make it known that they’re on the right side of the drama, support complete equality n stuff which again isn’t bad necessarily. Once again it’s just their extreme execution of it to probably bring traction to their own pages and content
That and personally I was born and raised in a very diverse part of the UK and it has not made the approach to drawing different features easier. It’s not smth I’d make out to be easy even if it’s everyday life for some and the people that claim otherwise have not lifted a pencil 💀
I just see them as hypocritical virtue signalers
Alternatively: Backseat Artists
6:10 I didn’t see the eggman reference before and it caught me so off guard
The best solution is SO obvious, that anyone who fails to follow this ONE specific rule is objectively either EVIL or are LESSER for not following it-
We MUST draw EXCLUSIVELY using amorphous blobs with googly eyes for our character designs, anything less is a crime against humanity punishable 100 years under the Atlantic Ocean without oxygen.
In fact-
Only drawing using circles is allowed for the rest of humanity until the end of time.
People will complain about a lack of diversity and then bully people for not drawing them correctly://
okok I know this is off topic but I love your female egg man design. She’s so cute and I just- guhh so cute I can’t-
Thank you so much!!
Fr she’s so adorable!! Her hair is so cute-
I remember years ago on tumbler people getting harassed for not drawing poc characters but also getting hate for drawing poc characters. It's insane it happened with LGBT characters or disabilities too. I remember reading a message different people got saying need to be poc, disabled or LGBT± to draw characters that way, and on the other side people getting messages that you're racist, ableist or homophobic because you didn't draw characters that way.
I have an even more controversial opinion: THERE IS NO WRONG WAY TO DRAW SOMETHING. There, I said it. It's called an art style, people. There is no wrong way to draw a character. it's art. It's not meant to be reality, it's meant to be your own interpretation of reality. That means ANYTHING GOES. If someone gets offended by the way someone drew something, they're wrong for that.
I agree! Tho there is one flaw. I feel like people should not draw others cos in a weird way, what my point is, is the problem with black washing and white washing! It is problematic but yk I think if you are gonna try to draw someone’s oc then atleast try to not change them! Hope you understand that I’m not saying this to start some drama! Also I very much like that you where brave enough to post this comment! Hope no one starts drama with you! 😊
*ocs
As a woman on the chubbier side; if someone wants to primarily (or only!) draw skinny boys, as long as they aren’t exhibiting REAL signs of sexism/fatphobia, LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!!!!! You don’t have to like it!!! Just leave them the fuck alone!!!!
YES, that CAN be a red flag for bigoted viewpoints, but if I went around accusing everyone that draws like that of sexism i would be so tired always.
Like, not to be mean or something, but in general skinny type is the best for studies and anatomy, then after getting general proportions and bone structure, you can learn adding fat and studying it in general (of course you can go straight to it but... results may vary). Some people can't even draw fat, because it does change proportions, and it will always look off in their eyes. I actually have it with skin-and-bones type of humans... I can draw skeletons, but either human will have some fat, or I can't really draw them because it looks weird XD
Why is drawing primarily skinny boys a red flag for bigoted viewpoints? I draw them largely because I'm a fanartist for an anime idol boy game that I really enjoy playing, and the style seeps into my OC designs because it's what I'm used to drawing. It's not anything deeper than that and doesn't say anything about my viewpoints on anything else.
Unless someone has overtly political art, it's pretty much impossible to tell what their viewpoints on stuff is from their art alone...
Hot take: Every artist need to learn how to say "Fuck off" to every toxic user. It should be up to the artist however they want and how to draw, and if they don't want to draw a subject. Let them be. If the artist don't want to put in an effort to draw a subject. Let them be.
That goes to normal users, or other artists as well. If you see an artist getting attacked and harassed. Tell the toxic attackers to "Fuck off", no matter how many "-ists" and "-phobics" buzzwords they toss out. Don't even reason with the attackers. Anything the attackers say, just respond "Fuck off", and report them. "Shut up", "Move on" works too.
Cancel Culture, and Toxicity only wins if people allow it to win.
This is so stupid, Art is meant to express yourself. If you wanna draw a 2.3 paraplegic then that's completely fine. But dont make me draw that.
Your OC is really cute btw
I'm so disappointed about what happened to Tazak's video. I mostly do traditional art, but I watched the video and it felt like a genuinely good resource for people who want to draw darker skin tones and I was hoping to use some of the advice in it. It seemed like it came from a good place and it's a shame it got deleted.
The only time an artist is obligated to draw anything is when you pay them. And even then that's on a case by case basis.
The art in the video is so cute! I Love the character design
Fun trivia on RJ Palmer, he was involved in designing the Pokémon on Detective Pikachu. He is why it didn’t end up like the original Sonic movie cut. He knows what he’s doing.
0:24 I saw that video, I even commented on it. The guy was making a light hearted joke because everyone knows how quick social media is to cancel someone. Through out the video he was making jokes and memeing as he was drawing a quick easy method to coloring dark skin. It wasn’t a deep dive art tutorial and was supposed to be fun and encourage beginner artists to try and color darker skin. But even early on the title attracted ppl who were extremely defensive and angry. For example, the very first comment I saw. I wish I screenshotted it, but it accused his title of saying that “black people are angry and aggressive and he needs to change it” like ???
It was frustrating to see ppl jump online and harass him, because he had good intentions.
I commented that I knew a fair amount of beginner artists who were afraid of drawing other races bc they didn’t want to accidentally come off as racist, especially when the art community is so nitpicky when it comes to race. so they don’t even try. I saw some comments on there too saying how an artist was accused of being racist when he drew black ppl, but he was black himself and still learning.
We shouldn’t demand ppl to draw this or that, we should encourage them and let them make that decision for themselves.
I hate the policing of how/what to draw in the art community. Jesus Christ just let people draw what they want. If they wanna only draw furries/cars/mechs/abstract/etc., they aren’t obligated to learn or know how to draw people of color.
This is a genuinely nuanced take, nice :D
Another tidbit to add!! While no one deserves harassment on their art, you also gotta keep in mind that not Everyone needs to be into your art :o
I.e. if someone doesnt really draw/isnt really interested in queer characters, no need to draw em ofc! But it doesnt mean every group has to be Amazed with the same type of character- (and its okay if they vent NON-TARGETED bout art frustrations in a personal blog)
After all, some people get Very comfortable admitting the opposite ._.
But y e a h, imo drawing ~diverse~ chars just as a Quota is worse 😭
“Lot of people just want the opportunity to feel superior.” Bingo!
The level of entitlement some of these people think they have over artists is insane. Twitter always wanna be bossing someone around.
I'm a 27 y/o artist who is *STILL* afraid of drawing POC because if I get even the *tiniest* detail wrong, I'll be lambasted, and my following is way to small for me to ever be able to recover from that.
3:15 this brings me back to what I was thinking earlier was there misogyny in Caveman days? Did they expect their wife to cook their meals for them and clean for them and take care of the children? I don’t know I don’t think so because marriage didn’t exist then it was just do what you can to survive and keep your tribal alive….