Pydantic is all you need: Jason Liu

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  • @jxnlco
    @jxnlco Рік тому +269

    Thanks for having me on! this was my first publish speaking thing in like.. .5 years

    • @aiDotEngineer
      @aiDotEngineer  Рік тому +9

      Our pleasure! You did excellent!

    • @philsheard832
      @philsheard832 Рік тому +9

      Really great talk. Credible on the code but effortlessly natural in delivery. Hope to hear more from you, do you have a blog or other outputs?

    • @shanegleeson5823
      @shanegleeson5823 Рік тому +2

      I'm having so much fun playing with some of your insights. I had already built some interesting tools when functions first came out and twitter was showing how pydantic was the key to making it really usable. But this is such a great progression. Thanks!

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому

      @@philsheard832yeah I have a personal blog and int instructor docs.

    • @samdroid37
      @samdroid37 Рік тому

      Really enjoyed this. Thanks Jason!

  • @jaideep_yes
    @jaideep_yes 16 днів тому +1

    and now we have PydanticAI. Revisiting this talk after launch.

  • @DKLHensen
    @DKLHensen Рік тому +29

    Jason Lio is seriously next level, he brings so much in this video, can watch this 10 times.

    • @ultmusic
      @ultmusic 7 місяців тому +1

      hopefully watching it the 11th time you can spell his name properly

  • @ilianos
    @ilianos 11 місяців тому +5

    🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
    00:01 🎵 *Introduction and Scope*
    - Jason Liu introduces himself as a keynote speaker, providing an overview of his talk on type hints, Pydantic, and structured prompting.
    - Discusses the challenges of using language models in production, particularly when outputting JSON or structured data.
    01:19 🌐 *Introduction to Pydantic*
    - Introduces Pydantic as a library for data model validation, emphasizing its similarity to data classes and its reliance on type hints.
    - Highlights the benefits of using Pydantic, including better validation, cleaner code, and automatic generation of JSON schema.
    04:21 🧩 *Introduction to Structured Prompting with Pydantic*
    - Discusses the concept of structured prompting, where prompts are actual code represented by Pydantic objects.
    - Demonstrates how Pydantic enables defining objects with nested references, methods, and cleaner code for language model prompts.
    05:28 🔧 *Introduction to Instructor Library*
    - Introduces the "instructor" library, designed to simplify the usage of Pydantic for prompting language models, especially for OpenAI function calls.
    - Explains how "instructor" patches the completion API and facilitates type-safe and auto-complete features.
    06:24 🔄 *Advantages of Structured Prompting*
    - Explores the advantages of structured prompting, emphasizing the ability to define nested references, methods, and reusable components.
    - Discusses how this approach leads to more modular, maintainable, and bug-free code.
    07:47 🛡️ *Using Validators with Pydantic*
    - Demonstrates the use of validators with Pydantic, showcasing the ability to add custom validation functions.
    - Illustrates how language model validators can be integrated to catch and handle errors effectively.
    08:57 🌐 *Structured Prompting for Knowledge Workflows*
    - Explores how structured prompting can go beyond structured outputs, enabling the modeling of knowledge workflows and plans.
    - Discusses the potential for representing knowledge graphs and leveraging language models for more productive development.
    12:14 🔄 *Advanced Applications: Search Query Planning*
    - Demonstrates advanced applications, such as search query planning using structured prompting.
    - Shows how defining a data structure for search types and execution methods simplifies the process of querying multiple backends.
    14:34 📊 *Advanced Applications: Knowledge Graph Extraction*
    - Illustrates an advanced application focused on extracting knowledge graphs by closely modeling the data structure to the graph visualization API.
    - Emphasizes the simplicity achieved in code with the structured prompting approach.
    16:11 🔮 *Future Possibilities and Conclusion*
    - Discusses the future possibilities of structured outputs, including multimodal applications and generative UI over images, audio, and more.
    - Concludes with excitement about the evolving space of structured prompting and its potential in various domains.
    Made with HARPA AI

  • @josephmdev
    @josephmdev Рік тому +26

    I was at the conference in person -- this talk was a major highlight. Glad to see it again!

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому +1

      thanks for sharing!

  • @ReflectionOcean
    @ReflectionOcean 11 місяців тому +2

    - Consider using structured prompting for better LL model outputs (00:31)
    - Ensure LL models output JSON or structured data compatible with existing software (00:50)
    - Utilize OpenAI function calls for improved JSON schema validation (2:49)
    - Employ the Pantic library for data model validation and to generate JSON schema (3:53)
    - Implement instructor library to simplify OpenAI function calling with Pantic (5:16)
    - Use doc strings in Pantic models to improve prompt and data quality (6:47)
    - Create validators in Pantic models for data integrity and error handling (7:20)
    - Use LL models to output structured data for complex data processing (11:08)
    - Explore advanced applications of structured prompts for knowledge extraction (12:07)
    - Check out additional examples and documentation on structured prompting (16:29)

  • @parttimelarry
    @parttimelarry Рік тому +38

    Wow, outstanding talk. I came in thinking a 15 minute talk on typing wouldn't be that interesting, but by the end I felt like this was the most well explained and immediately useful presentation on here.

    • @ccerrato147
      @ccerrato147 Рік тому

      Same here!

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому

      Thanks for the kind words would love any feedback on the docs or on the talk if you have any

    • @alexemilcar6525
      @alexemilcar6525 Рік тому

      @@jxnlcoawesome presentation. Where can I dive deeper into this for other models? I heavily use Pydantic today, but other models for work. You mention ask Marvin. What are the differences between that and Instructor?

  • @BeLKa4444
    @BeLKa4444 Місяць тому

    Geez this is must have video to watch
    liked so much

  • @rstar899
    @rstar899 10 місяців тому

    Thank you Jason. Phenomenal work and effort + you & your team.

  • @iumair_mehmood
    @iumair_mehmood 9 місяців тому

    This is soo good, would love to have a link for repo for the reference

  • @friendlydroid42
    @friendlydroid42 Рік тому +2

    I used decorators over my calls to allow for feedback loops ! Pydantic is a must 😊

  • @aitools24
    @aitools24 Рік тому +9

    00:13 Pydantic is all you need: Jason Liu
    02:08 Pydantic is a library for data model validation.
    04:07 Pydantic is a trusted library for handling JSON schema and object definition in Python.
    06:06 Pydantic allows for cleaner code and easier maintenance by defining nested references and object behavior.
    07:54 Validation error handling in Instructor helps fix errors in language models.
    09:45 Pydantic allows for structured prompting and object-oriented programming.
    11:38 Language models can output data structures to traverse and process data more effectively.
    13:27 Pydantic enables easy creation and visualization of graph structures.
    15:27 The paraphrasing detection algorithms help identify quotes and provide more accurate answers.
    17:20 Pydantic enables extraction of bounding boxes and structured outputs.
    Crafted by Merlin AI.

    • @richcaputo2929
      @richcaputo2929 Рік тому +2

      this "all you need" trend in the AI community is out of hand lol

    • @aitools24
      @aitools24 Рік тому

      True haha @@richcaputo2929

  • @pythagoran
    @pythagoran Рік тому +13

    Engineers used to be expensive because they produced potentially infinite automation.
    Today, they're expensive because they consume potentially infinite automation.

    • @softdevstuff1008
      @softdevstuff1008 11 місяців тому

      engineers are expensive because not everyone wants to deal with things that abstract and complex. I mean, engineers are close to create a machine that is smarter than them, which can make them obsolete, but still did it. which other profession is so true to it?

  • @swannschilling474
    @swannschilling474 Рік тому +5

    This is something very different from all the other stuff out there!

  • @gigabytechanz9646
    @gigabytechanz9646 5 місяців тому

    Really interesting! Thx!

  • @ristopaasivirta9770
    @ristopaasivirta9770 Рік тому +3

    Respond only with a valid json and nothing else. MY AND MY FAMILY'S LIFE DEPEND UPON THIS!
    Let us hope Roko's basilisk will look kindly upon us emotionally manipulating our poor LLMs

  • @anujkhandelwal7523
    @anujkhandelwal7523 10 місяців тому

    Incredible talk!

  • @anthonyd2988
    @anthonyd2988 Рік тому +2

    Well this really helped me learn Pydantic🎉

  • @shanky1897
    @shanky1897 Рік тому +1

    Awesome talk jasonliu ......really learned something new today.Thank you for sharing this

  • @jairajsahgal7101
    @jairajsahgal7101 Рік тому

    Thank you

  • @DeruwynArchmage
    @DeruwynArchmage Рік тому

    This awesome! Thank you for sharing this!

  • @JonathanPlasse
    @JonathanPlasse Рік тому

    Thank you for your presentation

  • @nikilragav
    @nikilragav Рік тому +2

    How come instructor requests don't need async await for calling the APIs?

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому

      cause it just uses `create` vs `acreate`

  • @fkxfkx
    @fkxfkx Рік тому

    Hi: thanks for the talk. Where can we find out more about instructor? (16:33) Oops, there it is one second later.

  • @RajabNatshah
    @RajabNatshah Рік тому

    Thank you :)

  • @agarbanzo360
    @agarbanzo360 Рік тому

    Such a smooth talk!!

  • @kevon217
    @kevon217 Рік тому

    Great talk. Such a useful workflow, thanks!

  • @sanyamjain4378
    @sanyamjain4378 Рік тому +4

    Validation with citation is very interesting. I did this using normal prompt engineering and hoped I’d get good results every time 😂

  • @shaunbowman8036
    @shaunbowman8036 7 місяців тому

    lol i JUST finished our pydantic based datamodels - it’s great, nice to see this, feels like `validation` lol

  • @pz8087
    @pz8087 Рік тому

    TIL that you can copy text from youtube videos. very slick... and great talk Jason :)

  • @udaynj
    @udaynj Рік тому

    This just seems to be wrapping a prompt into a python class or function. How is this any more reliable/reliant that just straight prompts/json, since what goes to OpenAI API's is still a prompt. Not sure what I am missing here, but I don't see this being that much more useful.

  • @zmeta8
    @zmeta8 Рік тому

    I don't want to install the whole rust toolchain to install pydantic on riscv.

  • @samuelschmidt6150
    @samuelschmidt6150 Рік тому

    How is this different from langchain?

  • @egonkirchof
    @egonkirchof 9 місяців тому +2

    70M downloads a month...how many developers exist in the world ?

  • @jcourson8
    @jcourson8 Рік тому +5

    Makes me interested in using Rust for LLM interactions. Whether the LLM return is validated or not you’re forced to handle every case and thus will make more robust systems by design.

  • @thebjko
    @thebjko Рік тому

    amazing job!

  • @eugenio.cabral
    @eugenio.cabral Рік тому

    Great talk and content!

  • @Adrian_Galilea
    @Adrian_Galilea Рік тому

    This has been growing on me.

  • @alivecoding4995
    @alivecoding4995 Рік тому

    Who is the speaker, where is he on Twitter?

  • @jakobkristensen2390
    @jakobkristensen2390 Рік тому

    Great talk!

  • @ATH42069
    @ATH42069 Рік тому +2

    this is so good it hurts my feelings a little

  • @tomlonghaymingway9396
    @tomlonghaymingway9396 Рік тому

    Nice one!

  • @alivecoding4995
    @alivecoding4995 Рік тому

    I don't get it. What's new about this? Has been part of langchain for a while now.

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому +5

      well who do you think introduced this to langchain ;)

    • @alivecoding4995
      @alivecoding4995 Рік тому

      @@jxnlco I see & apologize 😀 This has been fantastic. Loved the idea straightaway.
      Are you on Twitter?

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому

      @@alivecoding4995 @jxnlco
      haha yeah i was the reviewer on the langchain function calling PRS when it came out. but we do validation differently.

  • @Nurof3n_
    @Nurof3n_ Рік тому

    I still don't understand how instructor works behind the scenes, for example if I want chapters from a youtube transcript how do I prompt it?

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому

      you might ask for a chapter with a title and body, and then ask for a list
      class Chapter:
      timestamp: int
      title: str
      summary: str
      class VideoChapters:
      chapters: List[Chapter]
      response_model=VideoChapters
      something. like this! i actually build youtubechapters dot app so there ya go

  • @_guru
    @_guru Рік тому

    so basically typescript....... ?

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому +2

      Models have behavior. Type hints do not.
      Base model has runtime type information. Typescript does not. You would need zod. Which lacks coloration of behavior.

  • @jesuslovesyoujohn314-21
    @jesuslovesyoujohn314-21 9 місяців тому

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
    Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
    1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
    Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
    Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
    Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
    Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

  • @nartrab1
    @nartrab1 Рік тому +1

    Now this is good. This is going to be the way to actually integrate llm models with apps that goes beyond chatbots more reliable

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому

      thank you! let me know if you have any thoughts, available in the github issues etc or on twitter

  • @jamiekenber
    @jamiekenber Рік тому +1

    This is great. I've been using openai to process survey data in begging mode "please respond with valid json"... try/except/loop
    Anyone know:
    1. If using pydantic, will we hit any issues with async calls?
    2. Can we achieve structured, error-handled responses using langchain instead? Is that the way to go?

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому +1

      we'll run into issues of using async validators, but async don't be an issue otherwise

  • @jason13gaming
    @jason13gaming Рік тому

    jason here

  • @bartech101
    @bartech101 Рік тому +2

    -- "AI will take software engineer job"
    -- Software engineer: "Hold my beer."

  • @BealleMoriniE
    @BealleMoriniE 4 місяці тому

    Lopez Mark Jones Angela Rodriguez Jason

  • @atursams5501
    @atursams5501 Рік тому

    I wish that was more like a tutorial. It is really hard to follow.

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому +3

      I'll be making one coming out in a month or so!

  • @burningredphoenix3
    @burningredphoenix3 Рік тому

    if you want to integrate with legacy software, named pipes are your friends. thank me later

  • @spokesperson_usa
    @spokesperson_usa Рік тому

    And people say rustc is too complicated.

  • @daviseaustin5648
    @daviseaustin5648 3 місяці тому

    Taylor Melissa White Kenneth Clark Daniel

  • @DjdyehxXjehrf
    @DjdyehxXjehrf 3 місяці тому

    Lewis Patricia Johnson Scott Taylor Frank

  • @bullpup1337
    @bullpup1337 Рік тому +2

    Or…. you could just use a statically typed language to begin with….

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому +5

      an llm is not statically typed.

    • @bullpup1337
      @bullpup1337 Рік тому

      @@jxnlco what I meant is have the LLM generate code in a typed language, and write the code that interprets the results in a typed language.

  • @PriestleyJill-d6b
    @PriestleyJill-d6b 2 місяці тому

    Hernandez Amy Wilson Paul Jackson Mark

  • @westernHypocricy
    @westernHypocricy Рік тому

    If I want so much of gibberish boilerplate with types i will use Java.

  • @NeedhamViolet-w7z
    @NeedhamViolet-w7z 2 місяці тому

    Brown Angela Thompson Matthew White Linda

  • @PaulDarcy-h8r
    @PaulDarcy-h8r 3 місяці тому

    Johnson Scott Smith Susan Johnson Angela

  • @mlcat
    @mlcat Рік тому

    Whoever decided to make a fresh version of pydantic without backwards compatibility (breaking fastapi and everything else), you wasted so many human-hours, and made people remember what are virtual environments. 😡

  • @andgatehub
    @andgatehub Рік тому +1

    great talk, but please stop using pydantic!

    • @jxnlco
      @jxnlco Рік тому +2

      what do you suggest?

    • @andgatehub
      @andgatehub Рік тому

      ​@@jxnlco haskell \s
      To be honest, pydantic is so far ahead of other solutions like dataclasses and attrs that I have trouble arguing against them. But they come with their own typesystem and the authors have been known for causing drama in the python community.

    • @RatafakRatafak
      @RatafakRatafak Рік тому

      @@jxnlco attrs

  • @annaczgli2983
    @annaczgli2983 Рік тому +2

    Oh, this is on Python. Sorry, not interested.

  • @ymous7051
    @ymous7051 Рік тому

    LMAO, I made something better than this tbh! I don't even want to go on to showcase it to you all, but it's way better than this. dude, I never thought this was a problem to all, lolz. well, I'll be releasing it too then ig. thanks for making this video!

    • @xlagunaa
      @xlagunaa 7 місяців тому

      How its called and where I can try it

    • @abhayshandle
      @abhayshandle 7 місяців тому

      @@xlagunaa okay, so basically i made it a private repo, well this is the idea ig i didn't explain it well back then lol, well, this is how it works, we get a json response, and i convert the json response into a class like object so now instead of accessing data like: response["user"]["name"], you can do it like response.user.name and this just makes ig the typing easier and the code more readable, i mean that's my preference tbh, but then it didn't really work that well, if u liked the concept then ig i'd give u the link to it.

  • @gackerman99
    @gackerman99 Рік тому +2

    i hate everything about what llms are doing to us, and the fact that a bunch of hangers-on blockchain type bros are just making as much bullshit as possible on top of them

  • @GenciOsmanie
    @GenciOsmanie 3 місяці тому

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