He is so compassionate and genuine, not the least to mention intelligent and articulate and I agree with the lions share of what he has to say, though there are a couple points where our opinions diverge.
Jarvis Tyner This is a long response, but there was alot you mentioned that I wanted to touch on. Adding onto your argument that racism against people of color hurts whites how many people who might have otherwise became teachers, or doctors or inventors never did so because their is an indifference to failing schools in poor neighborhoods, whether they be in urban neighborhoods serving blacks and latinos, on the reservations serving native americans, or in depressed rural/formerly industrial towns serving poor whites. What things could have been? A country and world with less poverty and more opportunity, a vaccine or cure for HIV, a new biofuel or a more efficient solar panel? Also on the topic of the naive leisse fair belief that here in America we live in a perfect capitalist system and if a person puts in the hard work they will rewarded with success! guaranteed! Given the state of disadvantage that people of color were in immediately prior to the end of segregation 50 years ago, hypothetically if the USA had the theoretical “perfect capitalist system” that always rewarded hard work with financial success, even if people of color did work just as hard as whites they would still be poorer today on average than whites because of how far behind they were when everyone started that race. There is another argument to fight the “Minorities just don’t want to work hard they just want handouts” duphises with. Moving on to your analysis of Mayor Bloomberg’s stop and frisk policy, I want to make a fine distinction of language. Bloomberg and his police chief indeed characterised the poor Black and Latin neighborhoods as being “criminal neighborhoods”, implying Blacks and Latins are criminal peoples which you called racism which may be true but it could also be the only marginally less malicious rearing head of ethnocentrism, the “different people, different values” justification for locking people up en masse and not putting more money into public schools, food pantries/soup kitchens, homeless shelters, health care generally including addiction counseling ,conflict resolution through peaceful means programs, and job training/jobs programs, and other initiatives like gun buyback programs, giving people something they do need for something they don’t. Also while the program certainly does treat everyone living in the neighborhood like a suspect in a crime, turning innocent until proven guilty on it’s head, using the fourth amendment and its prohibitions of unreasonable search and seizure for toilet paper, and contributing to a feeling of a community under siege, that feeling may not have been the outright goal of the initiative, but rather acceptable collateral damage given the color of the skin of the people affected and the light weight of their wallets that sadly the courts have by and large allowed. Also finally you were saying how if we can unite various movements we will defeat the current agenda the far right has, the future isn’t set, if we assume that victory is certain, I think some of the urgency to act now is lost, but given how in the thick of all these different thing you are, you are probably the one of the last activists in the country that needs to be reminded of this. ;)
Stevo Churok Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; 18 US Code 2381. TRAITORS!
He is so compassionate and genuine, not the least to mention intelligent and articulate and I agree with the lions share of what he has to say, though there are a couple points where our opinions diverge.
Thanks Oliver I appreciate your comment. I would be interested in hearing where our opinions might differ. Thanks again
Jarvis Tyner This is a long response, but there was alot you mentioned that I wanted to touch on.
Adding onto your argument that racism against people of color hurts whites how many people who might have otherwise became teachers, or doctors or inventors never did so because their is an indifference to failing schools in poor neighborhoods, whether they be in urban neighborhoods serving blacks and latinos, on the reservations serving native americans, or in depressed rural/formerly industrial towns serving poor whites. What things could have been? A country and world with less poverty and more opportunity, a vaccine or cure for HIV, a new biofuel or a more efficient solar panel?
Also on the topic of the naive leisse fair belief that here in America we live in a perfect capitalist system and if a person puts in the hard work they will rewarded with success! guaranteed! Given the state of disadvantage that people of color were in immediately prior to the end of segregation 50 years ago, hypothetically if the USA had the theoretical “perfect capitalist system” that always rewarded hard work with financial success, even if people of color did work just as hard as whites they would still be poorer today on average than whites because of how far behind they were when everyone started that race. There is another argument to fight the “Minorities just don’t want to work hard they just want handouts” duphises with.
Moving on to your analysis of Mayor Bloomberg’s stop and frisk policy, I want to make a fine distinction of language. Bloomberg and his police chief indeed characterised the poor Black and Latin neighborhoods as being “criminal neighborhoods”, implying Blacks and Latins are criminal peoples which you called racism which may be true but it could also be the only marginally less malicious rearing head of ethnocentrism, the “different people, different values” justification for locking people up en masse and not putting more money into public schools, food pantries/soup kitchens, homeless shelters, health care generally including addiction counseling ,conflict resolution through peaceful means programs, and job training/jobs programs, and other initiatives like gun buyback programs, giving people something they do need for something they don’t. Also while the program certainly does treat everyone living in the neighborhood like a suspect in a crime, turning innocent until proven guilty on it’s head, using the fourth amendment and its prohibitions of unreasonable search and seizure for toilet paper, and contributing to a feeling of a community under siege, that feeling may not have been the outright goal of the initiative, but rather acceptable collateral damage given the color of the skin of the people affected and the light weight of their wallets that sadly the courts have by and large allowed.
Also finally you were saying how if we can unite various movements we will defeat the current agenda the far right has, the future isn’t set, if we assume that victory is certain, I think some of the urgency to act now is lost, but given how in the thick of all these different thing you are, you are probably the one of the last activists in the country that needs to be reminded of this. ;)
Stevo Churok Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; 18 US Code 2381. TRAITORS!
Great video