Former Professional Opera Singer Plays Furina Story Quest - THEY NAILED IT.
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2023
- Rarely do I relate to a piece of digital media when it comes to my journey leaving the opera business behind. I retired from the stage for many different reasons, emotional, mental, physical abuse, watching my colleagues suffer, anxiety, depression… the opera industry is brutal and the expectations for perfection are profoundly terrible and painful. There is beauty in it though, of course. But it’s harder to find than it should be. This story quest was deeply moving for me and I related to it more than I could have possibly imagined.
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nearly two years of genshin im glad marco finally found his genshin main, finding a character you relate to can really change the game for you...
*Looks to me maining Itto and Alhaitham*
@@J-manli so what does that tell about your story, my guy? 😆
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That I’m quite smart and yet at the same time an utter dumbass.
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I think Paimon’s rudeness is sort of a reflection of how after 500 years of playing the part of a haughty goddess no one, including Furina herself, really knows how to treat her as a person separate from her role.
Paimon sort of leads with attempts to engage that previously shown attitude Furina as Focalors had with her quips and jabs. In her mind she probably thinks that Furina was at her happiest when she was in that persona since she doesn’t know any better until Furina reinforces how she felt about it. After all, Paimon didn’t witness Furina’s mindscape like the MC did.
As for Traveller’s actions, I think maybe he genuinely thought Furina could benefit from engaging with something familiar but with drastically lower stakes.
I think that’s an extremely valid take
Good take also after all this the old rude furina being just a facade maybe there's more reasons for Paimon rudeness.
She obviously not human, maybe it's harder for her to have empathy?
I really hopes there's some deep reason for this, maybe she will learn being better with our travels. I noticed she is not that money hungry as she was before fontaine.
@MarcoMeatball To add onto this observation, Neuvillette specifically mentions how happy Furina looks being involved with the troupe, implying that her desire to be involved hasn't died as much as she claims it to have.
Unlike the examples you give of yourself and others who quit the performing arts, Furina still has a passion for what she's doing that outweighs the misery she had experienced.
Yes! I agree with you a lot. Furina was quite rude to them the past months! And Paimon was just trying to match Furina’s old Grandiose and Bold personality. They haven’t seen her weeks and she doesn’t know the detail of Furina’s mind.
I love Furina this quest was nice, but not as good as the other character quests in Fontaine m. but the ending was amazing and I love that Furina stepped out of her comfort zone and tried to find a new meaning for her new human life.
Though, it is also true that, after Nahida's Story Quest 2 (the one with the fungi and Apep), it was proven that Paimon has a very hard time seeing beyond appearances; and it's also true that the Traveler's relationship with her was always in the antagonistic side
I think the reason many characters want Furina to return to the stage is to some extent, those close enough to her (like Neuvillette) realize that one of the few things Furina truly enjoyed was the theater itself. Obviously she had huge misgivings as she was forced to pretend to be an Archon for 500 years, but as this quest explores, she did love the art itself and a big part of her had a legitimate passion for it that hadn't died despite everything.
Furina's story quest hit me like nothing else from this game has. The experience of losing your lifelong passion because of being traumatized from the pressures of the job really hits close to home for me. Watching Furina rediscover her passion and rekindle her joy broke me. I feel her pain deeply but I am also so happy to see her turn things around in the aftermath.
Marco, your commentary about Genshin's music and operatic inspiration makes the game so much better for me! I find myself thinking "Oh Marco would love this!" or "I'd love to hear Marco's thoughts on this"! I adore your passion for music and your job in this channel! Thank you for being here!
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yeah i had that same thought when i first heard the whale weekly boss's second phase, the edm one, and then the next day he put out a video reacting to it. i was sooooo excited.
Marco screaming WTF at Paimon.
Me: THANK YOU!
I want to take this girl away from the Traveller, send her to Mondstadt to Venti and maybe she can actually relax. I'm a bit surprised she stayed in Fontaine (even in the city where people know her and some were even present at her trial).
What I love the most is the irony here.
Furina got her vision with a role where Clio the oceanid realizes that she can save the town and her lover _because she is an oceanid, not a human._
If you think about it, the whole reason for Furina's 500 years of suffering, was that oceanids wanted to be human instead of remaining as they were: no original sin, no punishment to avoid, no lie to keep.
It wouldn't surprise me if she is a mirror to Foçalors in that sense too: one desires to be human, the other would have preferred to have a happier life as an oceanid instead. The vision reflects that too, with what kind of powers she has.
Never have I seen someone be so emotionally attached to a story than I did during this playthrough, your experience really shone through here even if it was hurtful at times, but I'm glad you enjoyed!
Just wish paimon could have been a little more modest in her outbursts. Then again it was more than likely deliberate, used as a trigger for furina to present a more outwards and realistic reaction to the attitude. But it really could have been handled in a less abrasive manner
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Yeah, a lot of this story quest is about how Furina handles adversity. I'm not super happy with the way they wrote Paimon (and for that matter, a lot of the rudeness of the troupe) in this quest, but I get why they did it. Thanks Marco for your insights (and doggo pictures).
@@MarcoMeatball I really liked the arc Furina went through in her SQ, the way she dealt with the complicated mix of 'I want to express myself through the arts' and 'I shouldn't do it bc of X reason' is something I sympathise with a lot.
I do think that the song she sang lacked a bit of omph to it though. Perhaps its bc of post-production, I liked the version where Cecilia Cara sang in a opera house more bc of it I think.
@@quinkana1 I didn't notice a difference I thought they were the same audio 😭
@@Tom-101 she makes different mistakes in the two videos. The most obvious (for me) was the next to last line where the D(6 or 7) in 'beauté' was a bit flat.
Yeah I'm a bit obsessed with the song and why I felt really disappointed with it at first lol.
I resonated so much with this quest. After 500 years, she lost her sole purpose in life, to the point where she hid away and refused to engage in her strongest passion. We reached out in the beginning, and despite the flat no, she almost immediately took the steps herself to try and re-engage on her own terms and find her happiness in what she loved.
A lot of people have interpreted this as 'guilt tripping' and 'gaslighting', but as someone who's been in that depression before, I just saw in this quest light in the tunnel from simply being given the opportunity, which was then up to me to take it.
kinda understandable how Furina's vision made a fuss. Since all of the Hydro authority is returned to Neuvillette, he has the authority to grant Visions, evident with the dragon fangs in the frame. In a way, it is indeed a gift from Neuvillette and an acknowledgement of all she's done. There's a bit of nuance on how Visions are given which can be understood through various lore and theory videos, but that's pretty much there is to be understood with the cutscene.
Actually, Neuvi doesn't grant vision nor did he grant one to Furina, Celestia does. Neuvi set aside a piece of Himself and the hydro authority to allow Celestia to grant visions to people, Furina being one of them.
it's not quite neuvillette granting the visions, but i understand the point of what you're saying.
@@dankmemer6576 ok I've seen the text about that, but where does it specifically say he set aside a piece of his authority to Celestia? Why would he do that? He wouldn't. He either put it aside "somewhere else", or it's a metaphor for him giving people small amounts of authority over Hydro in the form of visions.
@@themustardman219 No he would, not for the sake of Celestia but for the sake of the people. He knows that only Celestia has the power to grant visions so he most definitely would. If he himself could give visions then im sure he would but he can't. That authority belongs to Celestia.
@@dankmemer6576 the reason visions are given is due to the holding of the elemental authority of the Dragon Sovereigns. The only reason Celestia can give out visions is due to possessing much of the Sovereigns authorities. That is literally the only reason. As such, Neuvilette, having ALL of the authority over hydro, should absolutely be capable of granting visions, because they are inherently only possible to make with his DRAGON AUTHORITY.
Literally JUST finished this quest on stream this afternoon and I am right there with you. Furina is EASILY one of the best characters they've ever made and easily one of my all time favorites!
Glad you finished it! It was great for folks like us that connect to theater and that other side of life
It's a great quest. Yes, Paimon sounds rude at first but at the end, it's Furina that wants to come back on the stage again. Not as Archon but as herself.
The story is really good. Parallel with what Furina been through. And lastly, the song,
It's good...
Marco knows about song better than me. So go listen to that.
This is the first time I’ve seen someone even acknowledge _Furina’s_ wants. I see so many people ridiculing the Traveler and Paimon for acting insensitive and pushy. But tbh, that pushiness is what got Furina to come out of her shell and perform freely as herself rather than as the “archon.” I’m not justifying that what they did WAS the right way to handle things, in fact, they could have helped Furina rebuild her confidence better. But in the end, Furina did what she wanted and she even learned a lot from this. That’s what matters more imo.
Paimon is less of an arse in jp and cn
I think the translation is a bit
@@quietguyjosh4643well does Paimon know the whole story? I don’t think traveler told the entire painful details of what Furina went through this past 500 years. A couple months ago Furina tried to pick Trial fight against them the moment they stepped in Fontaine. Yes we know it’s was part of her “Archon Act” but Furina also never apologize for her more over the top actions. So yeah I think Paimon and Traveller sounded kinda of rude at first but that’s how Furina treated them at first. Now both Traveller and Paimon get to know the real Furina.
@@kay-jay1581 Yeah, the overall gist is that no one knew the purpose behind Furina’s actions bc she never told anyone. So the ppl that still hate Furina can only assume that she’s always been a fraud w/out knowing the truth (or at least some of it). She rlly just needs to explain herself otherwise they’ll just continue to think she’s a liar. Maybe this’ll happen in an interlude or smth where an insurrection occurs, and it’s up to her to gain the ppl’s trust again with the help of the Traveler and the rest of the Fontaine cast. I think once she comes clean, everyone including Paimon will finally understand her and treat her right. Right now they don’t bc, well, they didn’t go through the 30 mins of lore in the dreamscapes that Neuv and Aether experienced 😂
The directing for en is mistreated so bad for Paimon and traveler, tbh. They could've alter the localization a bit more polite instead of being rude sentences. If better, they better fire the people who wrote the localization in the first place.
I know a lot of people were mad at Paimon and the Traveler in this quest, but as someone who's currently in the midst of a depressive episode I found their actions quite comforting. I wish I had someone in my life who knew how to push me without hurting me. Furina was in a rut, she had no point in her life anymore, and even though she clearly enjoys acting she felt she couldn't engage with it due to the trauma of the past 500 years. But the Traveler and Paimon helped push her to act and get out of a destructive cycle
I could see how that would be meaningful to you. Everyone comes at experiences differently. I generally dislike paimon but this crossed my personal life experience boundary too much! Which is why I got grumpy! Hope you are able to do the little things to help yourself, I know it sucks.
@@MarcoMeatballsomething is awfully off about this quest, i think and i believe the original script (which is definitely wrote in chinese) could be translated more carefully, like hoyoverse is a big company, surely there are people in charge of this update and understand how to be good guy in friendship. My opinion about these awful lines is, they(english localization team, either outsource to other companies or their own english translation team) are either NOT understanding context difference behind chinese script and english language culture ,just sort of directly translate it into english,or the team doesnt understand people in china and people in the west have different standard about personal space, for instant bilibili once commented marco is bolding or marco got fat, well i lived in mainland china,people are in general decently open to discuss about looking and dont take it personally a lot of the time, whereas in uk saying similar thing to your neighbor, even your friend might get youself in big trouble.
Overall, marco i hope my comment makes you feel better, i speak chinese in native level, and personally experienced the first scene of the furina stroy quest in chinese, paimon's lines in chinese is less aggressive, more casual, reflected herself in a more passive position. paimon as a character is beloved by the chinese community, it seems to me that some of her voice lines is really translated to english poorly, it ended up conveying inconstant image to the en player sometimes straight up rude and weird..
Imo they didn't sound compassionate. Sure, it's a good thing to push someone sometimes, but they treat her a bit inconsiderate. I don't feel like they understand what Furina is going through and they just want the finish the commission, purely for commission sake not for Furina's sake
That's what I've been thinking. If no one had decided to get Furina out of her funk, she'd be at home all day eating macaroni of varying sauces.
@@honkai8692true, the EN translators has a hand in here.
Like for the Hutao Rap for example.
I think what Paimon was meant to be doing was affectionate teasing. The tone is less aggressive in Japanese (the language I mostly play in), though the words as translated do seem to be more cutting than was meant. Regardless in any language that moment was really-to use one of Paimon’s favorite insults-tone-deaf, in that moment. You say that sort of thing once you know the other person can laugh it off.
It’s a tricky balance though when it comes to prodding someone to return to something they once loved but refuses to due to grief and depression. I’ve been through that myself and on some days I loathed when my friends would try to get me to do things again. (I boiled with anger when one of them told me that I was “wasting my talents.”) But in other times I needed someone to get me out of my withdrawal and when I did, I didn’t regret it one bit. These days I think people err on the side of respecting someone’s stated boundaries, which is on the whole a good thing. But it’s made clear that Furina’s were drawn out of grief and fear and that her heart of hearts wanted out. Finding her way back, on her own terms, is what the story is about, and it resonated deeply with me as well.
Damm know that i seen this i have to agree
Fun fact: after Focalor destroyed the Hydro Archon Throne, there would be no new Hydro Vision appear in the future. But in Neuvillette story "Vision", he could give part of his power as a vision to someone who is worthy. So Furina is actually the first person that Neuvillette giving out vision, and it's a special one too. Beside the ability to use both Pneuma and Ousia, it has some fangs/claws on the vision, and when she use her burst, a slight dragon signature appears when she is full stacks.
well this isnt a fact its a theory though you can debunk it. Archons dont grant visions, we know this yet they also sit upon the divine thrones that hold the sovereign authorities and have access to that power. We know this because well a normal hydro user cant very well control primordial sea water yet the hydro archon could to convert her oceanids to humans. Clearly authorities have no connection to the granting of visions and nuevilette just seems to have found his own way to grant visions though with limited use as he takes a potion of his own power and grants it to others thus weakening himself.
@@fancymustache3793let me cook.. if that logic applies to celestia or rather descender who MIGHT be up there… I’m thinking the divine or who doesn’t grant bits of their own power.. rather bits of stolen power of other gods aka dragons.. hence why Nuev would ever again have is “full power” as all hydro vision users have bits of it.. only reason the decoration that holds Furinas is different is causev he granted it personally… I’m still not convinced the descenders gravy bits of their own for obvious reasons of having to be all powerful.. 😂 could be wrong but I’m not convinced … basically Focalor destroying the hydro archon “throne” is to not only give restore Nuev previous life’s power but to prevent celestia from handing his power out to ppl… 🤔 aka only he can hand his power out now…? Also remember two descenders use the 3rd descenders power and divided it into 7 gnosis.. so I SUSPECT descenders being able to use all elements celestia COULD grant hydro still via more of 3rd descenders power rather then their own.. but i guess that would make it more of a delusion I guess.. 😂 but point is celestia clearly so far at least wasn’t handing out bits of their own personal power just stolen powers.. to be clear.. by stolen I mean current celestia didbt steak it.. the one who came before stole it..
@@fancymustache3793 "From that day on, whenever a person's wishes reached the heavens, the seven overseers of the material realm were duty-bound to grant them a gift. Though they might know nothing of who or what wish had stepped into the threshold of the sacred, the Seven Archons still had to impart a shattered shard of their mastery to that person."
The Archons DO grant visions, they are obligated to do so by Celestia. They just don't know what person and for what wish.
And Furina's vision is indeed granted by Neuvillette:
"Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens, but he does acknowledge human will. So he too set aside parts of himself, as like unto the dragon-treasure hoards of old, awaiting valiant humans to come and claim them."
Both of these quotes come from Neuvillette's Lore "Vision"
@@InanisNihil as I said the authorities have no connection to giving out visions. maybe thats what the gnosis allows like as long as the gnosis exists celestia or whoever can grant visions. Perhaos visions not granted by nuevilette are from the 3rd decender's power giving people a similar ability like the traveler's but only with 1 element as their body probably cant handle more atleast not for long as well as the power it provides via belief from the people.
@@mafumaru5899 Oh so I guess Ei just fuckin lied when she straight up said she didnt as well as there being another side to it? also even if this is true Nuevilette isnt omniscient to know when somebody is making such a wish nor is he in the heavens themselved to hear them
The misinterpreted muscial out of context is actually pretty appropriate. Because when the director lady was writing it with different intentions, the rest of the group finished it as a sort of eulogy to her, but its also obvious that Furina was processing some of her own pain and emotions through the main character (funny enough, a lot of people like yourself and others also have done similar with Furina). The romantic love the MC in the play felt can be also the familial love the director felt for her group while also being the love Furina had for the people of her nation. The play is a work of fiction that people project their own feelings into or identify with, taking something new or different from it. You know the same way real people do in real life and genshin fans do with genshin.
Most people were annoyed with how the traveler and paimon treated furina throughout the quest and, while I agree that they could've done better I think it really highlights how different the traveler and paimon are from humans. We tend to forget that the traveler is an ancient being that has traveled to many worlds and witnessed "the birth and death of countless stars" and that their understanding of emotions is disconnected from the way we understand them as humans. To them, furina's story is just a letter in a very, very thick book whereas it means so much more to us the viewer. This explains why they seem very insensitive at times because they don't understand human emotions as well as we do. A recurring theme in genshin's story is how gods struggle to understand human emotions and ambition so this seems like it's something intended by the writers. Another interesting thing I noticed too was how NPCs and human characters were more understanding of furina's struggles while divine beings like the traveler, paimon, and neuvilette were more pushy and less respectful of furina's boundaries.
Ted talk aside, I really enjoy your reactions and insights to genshin's story and music. Keep up the great work Marco!
Omg this is literally the first time I've read someone say that the traveler is disconnected of human emotions, and I couldn't agree more. That's what separate the divine and humanity and why it's such a struggle onto both races. it's the same thing with Ei, her pursuit of eternity, shunning herself away from the real world literally harmed her people and Inazuma. It's because Ei couldn't understand how her definition of "Eternity" (Things stay the same as they are, permanently) put the people of her home in danger, but the kind that should be everlasting change and adaptability, which is something what Makoto and (originally) Ei wanted, before Makoto's passing. I could literally go on for his but I just wanted you to know that I appreciate this lol
Hearing about your experiences and how you relate to the things happening in the story _really_ made this video such a fun and engaging watch. Your perspectives and personal anecdotes were so interesting, I'm so glad I could learn so much from watching a Genshin story quest playthrough. Yours is most likely the only channel this could've happened with! Thanks so much for all you do!
So incredibly sweet of you
Glad that you loved the references about the life of an artist and how you related to Furina in this story quest. The writers of Fontaine arc are truly nailed it, can't wait to see what will happen to Furina in her 2nd story quest. Anyway, her sufferings for acting the "Focalors" role are still there....
(P.S: Sorry for my English, if it have any problems)
Definitely one of my favourite quests, Furina's love for her people and opera is still there despite everything that went through and its beautiful to see her find a way to overcome her bad experience.
The people that attended the opera that day must feel very lucky they got to see the real little oceanid act in that play, not ever knowing this wasn't meant to happen.
1:24:33 YES! And honestly, I loved it and saw it as purposeful. They're sympathetic, but also due to the fact that their characters are *meant* to be actors, I took their dramatics in stride. They're meant to be exaggerated depictions of humanity. I also love how they're all flawed- their motivations are also their vices. The man passionate about saving the troupe overrides the decisions of his fellow troupe members. The sick girl harrasses her loved ones about their health due to her concern. The guy in love with the director and dedicated to respecting her memory held onto his love for her in a disrespectful way.
And then all of that exists as assisting pieces to bolster Furina's image as more human and authentic than she considers herself to be.
Clio getting her vision could be similar to how Qiqi got her Vision during her last moments. Their wish to stay and go back to the good times being powerful enough to catch the attention of the gods.
I love every seconds of this Fontaine Acts.
As a person who grew up with theater performance.
The last Act even hit me harder than Sumeru.
and it struck me again with her story quest. It's just so timeless tragic and beautiful in every way.
I don't know how miHoYo is going to top this. (but I hope you find a way)
Truly an amazing job, miHoYo.
Yeah, Fontaine hits hard. Sumeru was already tragic in its conclusion because of what Greater Lord Rukkhadevata had to do to save her people (her last words to her people will never fail to make me tear up, especially when you hear her voice in EN breaks as if she's holding back her tears). But it was expected to be tragic from start to finish because of Nahida being trapped for hundreds of years, forbidden to leave her prison because of the Sages.
Furina on the other hand played her part so well that, while it was obvious as the story progressed that she was hiding something, the truth of who she really was was hidden from everyone, and things didn’t seem as dramatic immediately. So it was a huge mood whiplash when the bratty and arrogant Archon turns out to be a mere human girl, albeit one that is the human aspect of the Hydro Archon, who was cursed with immortality just so she could play the longest and loneliest opera of all times, with no way of when it would end, and being aware that the moment she dropped the act for even a second in front of someone, her nation would be destroyed. Foçalors ordered her in that prison of loneliness and suffering, and Furina willingly went along with it because, despite how it may appear at first, she truly cares for everyone's wellbeing, and would sacrifice hers for their sake.
And to make things worse, what is the one thing Focalors, Rukkhadevata and Makoto all share? It's that only a handful of people truly know of who they were and what they sacrificed (only Ei, Yae, Paimon and the Traveler know of Makoto; Rukkhadevata has been forgotten by all but the Traveler and possibly the other Descenders if my memory is correct; and apart from Neuvillette, Furina, the Traveler and Paimon, the true extent of what Foçalors and Furina had to do is not known). And it might just be me, but I feel like that's a lot of tragedy for the past Archon Quests (well, Story Quest for Ei and Makoto). So I can't wait to see what future stories we will see. Although I am worried of things turning for the worst for Teyvat and our characters during or following the Snezhnaya Archon Quest...
@@O-P-96exactly bruhhh
It was fun to see your parallels with this story quest 👍
The finale brought me right to tears. I played it the day after finishing the Archon Quest, and it was like a punch in the gut. Furina is such an amazing character, and her story quest was such an effective way of showing who she is. And that song at the end, in the extensive context of the quest and Furina's character, just hit me right where it hurts. I put that song on all my playlists, and it's still profoundly moving to me.
It was super fascinating hearing about the kind of parallel in what you've experienced in your career on stage and what Furina goes through in this quest. Thank you for sharing and I very much enjoyed watching you go through Fontaine. Fontaine's been an absolute joy in story telling. Almost all of it lol
Glad you enjoyed it!
Marco is serving up the tea ☕️ on the business and i am here for it!
I enjoyed this more watching you play than doing it myself, really appreciated hearing your own experiences.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great to hear you enjoyed it!
Lets go
So glad to see you voicing characters for my favorite game, so good
Great commentary! Keep up the great work!
I took art commissions when I struggled financially. It was also my longlife passion, my friends, my community were all about it. It was the source of ppls respect towards me as a person. Then I burnt out, became too perfectionistic, my grandfather died, and my ability to draw just... Disappeared. Overnight.
Its coming back, very very slowly. Very slowly. I had to reinvent myself from scratch and I genuinely believe a part of that might be changed forever.
So yeah. This quest. Relatable. 🎉
Aye, you aren't alone. I too have this exact same situation. >
Thank you so much for uploading this.
It's probably one of my favourite quests in genshin and seeing someone who's actually done opera talk about it was really informative, inspiring even
Back here again, and Furina’s voice work by the docks was emmaculate. I still get teary when listening to her reflecting on her solemn vigil.
So glad to see you've finally played it. Commented on the initial video where you covered the story teaser and it was so hard to restrain saying more that could spoil, but now that you've gotten to see it, I can finally say, holy hell is this quest amazing.
I'd even put it on par, if not slightly above the archon quest itself. While it was less bombastic and certainly lacked the diversity of stories told in the main, there was something so deeply touching about the exploration of Furina's deeper personal thoughts. Which is funny to think about considering that you quite literally got to see into Furina's mind in the Archon quest. I could honestly probably count on one hand how often a story manages to cover trauma and going through the stages of grief that well.
It was a tad bit expedited in the story quest, sure, but at the same time, you get to see her at her lowest. That despite being free, she's still completely broken by the whole ordeal. Then, throughout the story, you get to see her really find some sense of joy again.
There's obviously the cutscene. As I said last time, actual chills.
But man. That ending where she's kinda seeing that her passion and love for performance hit me. It was clear that she saw it all to be a boundary she could never cross and she could never do again, but then twisting it to be her passion for expressing herself rather than putting on a façade was *phenomenal* development. And I think it still worked in the story quest because of just how well she personally related to the character. It's never stated outright, but from all the subtle hints, it very much seemed like she saw herself, at least to some degree, in the character of Clio.
Just god. What a strong storyline. Genuinely sucker punch after sucker punch of phenomenal storytelling throughout the entirety of Fontaine. Glad to see you're loving it as well !
Oh, here it is! I thought that you played it last night, but couldn't find the VOD, haha. Well, guess I know my plans for the next 2 and a half hours!
A follow-up: this story also seems to be about Traveler and Paimon learning how to treat someone with deep scars. Even people who know about your baggage might treat it lightly, nonetheless causing you to relive extremely painful memories and feelings. But if you respond frankly and kindly like Furina does, eventually they figure out your tells, and may be willing enough to respect the boundaries that initially seemed trivial to them. Furina is a great example of someone recovering from PTSD/other such conditions, despite how silly the in-universe timeline is.
But to that end, I don't really like the ending too much, given how Furina performing thwarts the boundaries she clearly set for herself. But they still did her justice.
YES. Full gameplay and reaction 🙌🏻
Glad you played Furina story quest. Her character development is just as beautiful as the song itself!
I loved this quest Furina is such a brilliant character
I enjoyed seeing how you relate to Furina, both emotionally and through your experiences as an opera singer. She brims with humanity, and I guess that's what her character's all about. It's beautiful, this was such a great quest. Here's to hoping that MHY will continue to release well rounded characters like her!
I absolutely love how while explaining a thing, you start singing parts of the OST because I just do the same when talking to my friends about the game 🤣
aaa im so happy you submited the live here! I couldnt catch the epic kirimoto moment! :DDDD congrats!
Ah yeah! It truly is a masterpiece! Glad you enjoyed it so much!
this is still my favorite marco stream, i felt so connected to the game and to marco at the same time, and as a musician, i connected in a way deeper level than i thought i would and this along with the archon quest made me cry. yes, paimon was a little shit in this quest (forreal ive never been more mad at paimon than i was in this quest, god she was such an insufferable bitch to furina i dunno why they had to write her to say all that) but it was still an amazing and moving experience. i'm glad you played this marco, bonding over everything while playing this alongside you was a very valuable memory for me
Just wanted to say that you're amazing and I love your videos
Thank you so much!
I appreciate your inputs! this quest was a lot of highs and lows in terms of character portrayal and writing. Trying to balance a deeper side to a character while also maintaining the marketing (Furina as a marketable character that's flamboyant and loves the spotlight). As well as trauma, boundaries, but also overcoming them. Unfortunately I think they didn't let the character develop long enough (also something that's hard to portray in a simple video game for phones).
This entire quest was basically the "WHAT THE FUCK PAIMON SHUT UP" simulator... Read the damn room Paimon...
I came here to watch you react to furina story and I get doggo picture?! This is great! I love puppers!
I think the problem with Aether and Paimon and the discrepancy arose due to to difference in our and the in-game characters' perspective.
Paimon doesn't understand what Furina has been through. For her, Furina was treated as a God for half a millenium, living in a big palace luxuriously. If anything, she might envy the treatment she got and doesn't see the problems she is facing.
Aether's problems, on the other hand, arises due to boundaries. He knows Furina the best, he has literally seen her inner world, but Furina doesn't recognize him as such. So, Aether is coming off as mean while (I believe) what he is trying to do is to have her accept her passion as an actor, but Furina and we, the audience, just feels creeped out with the over familiarity he is displaying. Or at least I think so, because I don't believe the writers would just wake up and randomly choose to make him an ass.
That’s what I’m saying. The traveler hasn’t really formed a bond with Furina, at least not a strong one. The best they have done is sit beside her while Furina was getting harassed by The Knave (supposedly protecting her but they didn’t step in to shut up the knave; and I get it, the knave wasn’t really in the wrong, from their perspective Furina needed to be pressured to act as the god she was supposed to be but my point stands. The traveler did a poor job of being a support to Furina)
All I’m saying is that, to Furina, the traveler and paimon are mere acquaintances, not friends. Sure they may have played a role in the salvation of Fontaine, but they are also the ones that antagonized her on many occasions.
Paimon: “sounds like your struggling to cope”
Marco and everyone else: “WTF is wrong with you?!?!”
Jokes aside I feel there was some poor translation with the writing teams in this quest, like omg it’s been a week and everyone is treating Furina like shit. For once the npcs were actually the heroes of the story.
And the npcs were terrible as well, this quest was a mess
@@theita231Not translation error this time. It was a bit of a harsh toned joke in CN culture. Lots of people who are Chinese didn't see anything wrong with it, but the wording itself in CN is very harsh when you translate it. EN is just brash as a language, and JP and CN are more poetic.
such a good story quest one of my favourites to date
1:33:56 YES YES YES! I LOVE THIS THEME SO MUCH! I hope you do a video analyzing Fontaine battle themes, specifically this one, I believe it is called Virelai des marees.
I really just love Furina, amazing backstory, wonderful personality, actual depth, plus shes a teather girl! Glad Marco found a character he really likes
2:15:36 That was Furina receiving her vision from Neuvilette. Its very subtle, but she didnt have a vision nor any hydro mastery before this play, and she gains her powers which we get to play with because of this stage show.
18:50 "she's relaxed, simpled down, etc etc"
More like, she was completely burned out at the beginning of the quest.
I actually loved this moment, felt VERY realistic, after experiencing... well, heavy nervous breakdown
What I like about this quest is that it not only touches upon Furina's personal struggles, but also the lingering scars of the events leading up to the prophecy, such as the Serial Disappearances and the Flood of Poisson. Perhaps it was the latter that convinced Furina to step over her own self-established boundary so that she could maybe help with the healing process for the nation even a little. Who knows what the future holds for both her and Fontaine, but I feel optimistic for both after this story quest.
Maybe I’m a weird here, but I don’t feel MC and Paimon rude or sth. Actually I don’t give any thought about them. All my focusing is Furina. And to me she was never an actual friend of MC. MC can know her secret because he is outlander, but it doesn’t mean her emotion and feelings depend on their relationship. And paimon is just paimon, it’s half of teyvat already and I understand her too much to blame or expect anything from her. That’s why I dont care whatever they said or did for Furina. To me Furina was strong to endure 500 years of mission, and she doesnt need anyone to pity her. Her wish was that Fointain people can win over the prophecy, and it happened. Just like the little oceanid, they never did it for praise or for being understood. That’s what make Furina shines more in my eyes.
oh man, I totally was right that was your voice when I talked to that NPC. Awesome Marco
2:12:00
Aww ❤ you can tell Furina really loves the beauty of the world. With arts and theatre and life. Like Focalor said, deep down and after all that she has been through, Furina is still like her day 1 human-self, a beautiful naivety that she has finally returned to and can now, in her new position, better appreciate what she too helped to protect.
2:01:00 is SO real... I toiled with my band for 15 yrs and neglected many things in my personal life. When it was over, there was no shortage of people asking us to do a comeback - they even did it during our late singer's wake - like if right after our frontman's departure was the right time to restart the band - can you imagine??!?!
we know visions are ambitions. maybe the performance reignited some strong ambition/passion in her. on the other hand we know that her vision was granted by neuvilette (thats why its the only vision in the game with little teeth/fangs) and not by celestia
Marco's Try Not To Get Distracted By Fontaine's Excellent Sountrack Challenge: Level IMPOSSIBLE
For the song, the way I see it, the love interest in the play is symbolic of Furina/Focalors being able to live truly as a human. Experiencing love and living normally in the world of Fontaine would be very human activities, not involved in the greater schemes at work and living for one's self. But it wasn't possible for her to do that as she was both divinity and human, and since her divinity placed upon her the grave burden of duty she had as an archon in releasing her people from a sin that she didn't even commit. In the play and directly told through the song, the Little Oceanid sacrifices her desired life and becomes sea foam (like the little mermaid) to ensure the safety and well being of both her lover and the entire nation, which is facing a catastrophe due to a a sin which, with important emphasis, she did not commit herself. In the play, the sin is the people's behavior driving the water away, and in Furina/Focalors reality, it's the sin of the appropriation of the Primordial sea by Egeria.
This is a mirror to what Focalor did the entire quest; She was duty bound to sacrifice herself for something she really did not sign up for. In the Little Oceanid, the oceanid wasn't the cause but had the power to fix everything. In reality, she also was not the cause, but the title of archon was thrust upon her and by extension the duty of saving everyone. By sacrificing herself and releasing the Hydro Archon's authority of water (turning into seafoam in the play), she ensured a future where her human half (the life she coveted, her 'lover' in the play) and the nation of Fontaine at large (which is still Fontaine in the play) could continue to prosper. The primary irony here is that Fontaine in reality faced a flooding crisis, and in the play faced a drought crisis.
The lyrics of the song say words such as "If only true love were enough. . . My wish. . ." which is her lamenting if only she could live as her full self, both divinity and human, amongst her people, which in the play would be the lover and Furina. But her greater wish was the survival of both her humanity and humans at large, and so true love wasn't enough and begged a larger sacrifice.
Furina/Focalors story is a tragic one of duty vs. desire.
Also regarding paimon/traveler, somce Furina was mistreated by Paimon and the traveler in the beginning, and it frames her story in a weird angle throughout the entire thing. While some people say it was necessary/a trigger, I highly disagree with this and the only reason paimon/traveler gets absolved is because Furina herself comes through for story convenience's sake. They were very dismissive and brusque with their recognition of her emotional state. Realistically, this kind of treatment to someone processing trauma/depression would more likely just make them raise their barriers even further and push them away. Not a fan of the writing on Paimon/Traveler's part.
A small detail about Furina's vision is those 4 little fangs on it. Nuevillette's the one who gave it to her.
Fun fact, as novelette has full control over hydro now he is now has the sole authority to gift visions. Because he was there watching her he more than likely was so moved by her performance as well as knowing her for over 500 years that he, as it is described in his story tab "broke of a piece of himself the being who is hydro incarnate" and gave it to her in that moment.
Praise be to the Meatball and may the sweetest cinnamon roll that is Furina be protected. I hope the coming patches adds more story quests involving the Fontaine characters. I'd be happy to have more Lyney, but I'd especially love more Furina and more Neuvie (the absolute king). And Wryothesley. I'd be interested in seeing Wry interacting with Furina, considering how he seems to have interpreted their relations as highly strained all this time.
Even though Paimon was weirdly inconsiderate in this story quest, I really enjoyed it for how it let us see more of Furina's real self: A very gentle and caring person. After all, she didn't suffer all those years for any other reason than just for the ultimate reward of saving her countrymen.
I'm hoping for more Clorinde above all, she had very little to do. Maybe the Dainsleif or interlude quest
@@fardareismai4495 Well, they can't not release a character as cool as Clorinde, right? Surely, they'll give us both playable Clorinde and a Clorinde story quest, right? :S
@@RitsuCurisu I'm already looking forward to that haha!
Yep, this quest was so good!, I played the archon quest and after that did the Furina quest all tired after 6 hours of arc 5, I stopped being tired when doing the quest :'3
Literally i watch this to see what your reaction of furina is story after what happened to her and to side line and what reaction you does as well so love it and yeah paimon are really a blaber mouth and just say what she need to say out loud that does not consider what people feeling sometimes
Twitch chat was careful to not spoil him, UA-cam chat just went into lore discussion right away, bruh💀
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If you haven't listened to the songs on the show called RWBY by rooster teeth, I sincerely suggest you do, cause they're all fenomenal
So, it seems that most people dont know that we never told paimon abt what was going on with Furina. She didn't know abt Focalor nor abt Furina's actual self, so ofc everything she said in this quest isnt that bad, considering she still doesn't know. Also I really like how she got bee vision, a vision represents ones ambition, Furina getting the vision at the moment she did is amazing. It represents her ambition to be on stage once again, but not as a facade, but as herself and she can finally enjoy the roles she plays here on after. I personally think that people took everything a little to much at face value and didnt look at the deeper meanings. Also, that could've been why traveler was so pushy in the beginning (paimon was too but she didnt know anything abt how much Furina suffered and only did understand when Furina expressed herself on the ship), cause he knew she wanted to be back on the stage, just as Neuvi did, all she needed was a small push to help her take that one step forward. I personally think this was an amazing and fleshed out SQ. Also, paimon isnt wrong, Furina IS still a bit of a drama queen, but thats because of the roll she was forced to play. It still affects her and intentionally or not she still puts on that "god" persona. Its another thing i liked and noticed in the beginning, that she fluctuates between the 2. Maybe u didnt notice. Anyway, good day. But yea, i think people's hate against paimon is unwarranted but not unfounded. Tho, to each their own
But paimon did know though? She was with the traveler when Neuvillette told them the truth about Focalors in the last part of the quest
@@bored_potato No, he talked as if he told them alr but he never actually told them. Same with Traveler.
I despised MC and Paimon in this quest, poor Furina
Same
EN paimon was a lot more boisterous than other languages, not entirely sure why it's been translated like this, but yes, she could have tried being a bit more modest. Then again she's always kind of had a screw loose there
As do I. She was brash, insensitive, rude, and I would never speak to her ever again if that shit happened to me in real life.
I seriously wish they would give us dialogue options to shut Paimon up every now and then. There have been more than a few instances where my first reaction was “Shut it before I shove you in the travel bag until this conversation is over!”
Not just rude but disrespecting her BOUNDARIES and when Furina mellowing out and having sincere moments, here comes Paimon being rude and killing the mood.
I think you’ll love the new location ost’s, like the tower ost, romarite harbour, etc.
in other videos, I only realized by when he reached "the autograph"😂. LET'S GO!!!
I assumed there was a hefty timeskip between the archon quest and this because the flood did not just happen instantly, and it had to recede. That's already one whole day at least, and then the city had to be "rebuilt". As someone who has experienced serious floods (I'm from the Philippines), that stuff takes a while, and it's not even Fontaine-level flood. Also to add, Furina mentioned that she'd just been eating macaroni, for weeks. I'd give it at least a month worth of timeskip.
Kind of sad that we didn't get to talk to her at all after the trial, not even to apologize and explain that we had no choice.
I don't think that would mean anything to her since I'm sure she understood how things came to be and why they did it in the first place. Making an apology would probably come off as pity and her character clearly isn't one for grudges coddling, no matter how many fans believe on her behalf that she is. We were even told that she wasn't exactly feeling anything when she was told the truth about Focalor's plan, just that she was tired. Immediate positive reinforcement or anything like that after such an emotionally turbulent experience can do more harm than good. It's why for me, I was very happy to see that she wasn't happy-go-lucky and ready to mingle with people so readily(these quests imply that they happen days if not weeks after the events that transpire beforehand). It's a very realistic and I'd say respectful approach to Furina's character. She really is Genshin's magnum opus of character writing, to be a little dramatic
@@Soulferno I just wanted her to know that we didn't hate her. She already felt guilty and the citizens were against her in the trial.
I actually feel like this was fine. Partly because I knew the story quest would essentially serve as the part where we just focus on her, and partly because from her perspective, our or citizens apologizing isn’t nearly as meaningful as the acknowledgement she got from Focalors/“mirror-me.” Remember, she has not heard from her in 500 years, and it was easy for her to doubt whether all the anguish was even worth anything-and up until then she’d thought it had all been in vain anyway. Hearing mirror me saying that she has done the right thing and had been faithful all along was the thanks she needed the most. Everything else would pale in comparison.
That was the part that moved me to tears the most by the way. It is her being told by God-kind of literally-“well done, good and faithful servant. Enter into your rest.”
I think it would've been subsumed under the consciousness that it was predestined and part of Mirror-me's plan, since that was the grand trial she had been told to expect that would herald both the culmination of the prophecy AND the end of her long vigil. I.e. it wouldn't have mattered. She would've known it was fated.
Marco, I think you should check Furina's constellation name and do a video about all the opera references.
“Love Is a Rebellious Bird That None Can Tame” - L'amour est un oiseau rebelle - Carmen
“A Woman Adapts Like Duckweed in Water” - La Donna E Mobile - Rigoletto
“My Secret Is Hidden Within Me, No One Will Know My Name” - Nessun Dorma - Turandot
“They Know Not Life, Who Dwelt in the Netherworld Not!” - Orphée aux enfers？
“His Name I Now Know, It Is…!” - Diecimilla anni al nostro imperatore - Turandot
“Hear Me - Let Us Raise the Chalice of Love!” - Libiamo ne' lieti calici - La Traviata
That’s my plan after my break :)
@@MarcoMeatballNice!!! 😊😊
I play this game since 1.0 and only Furina made me insta go for her quest after the main quest and I did not regret it a bit, she deserves her freedom.
1:16:20 "the power of music is that you can do whatever you want"
me listening to themes coming up w the craziesr fights
Seeing as how opera gets mentioned a lot in Fontaine, was especially wanting to see a playthrough from you!
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Furina is such a cutie pie
2:21:35 OMG I DIDN'T KNEW IT WAS MARCO!
HOW COOL
nice hearing kirimoto, one step at a time marco maybe we get playable character someday
you should see the version of furina and neavuilette singing a duet together, i think the song is quite good
Which one?
A WHAT?? Where????
La Vaguelette isn't directly Furina's story but it's a strong parallel of her real story.
"Hey uh, I know you suffered for 500 years by playing someone you're not to protect the people. Can you do that again?" Basically this whole quest lmao
I love watching your Genshin reactions and streams, hope we’d see more Genshin streams from you
I'm glad i watched your playthrough, this was very insightful as a former performer.
I was as annoyed as you with Paimon and the dialogue options, but i guess that's Hoyoverse's way to do a wake up call on people that have this attitude. Maybe it could have resonated better if her quest was released at a later patch.
Also, congrats on the double performance!
This quest was simply amazing, I understood and felt bad about Furina's initial feelings towards acting after her 500 year long performance. Yet seeing her finally be able to separate her traumatic experience with acting from her passion for it was great.
And since everyone's talking about it, I have to say that I also felt Paimon's attitude during some of Fontaine's quests felt rude, as if she was oblivious to the feelings and emotions characters like Navia or Furina were going through.
katheryne was her from the beggining, shes been saying "error" since day one. Alain Gullotine has been creating these dolls to look like mary-ann since the begining. Sandrone was the man; hes the sarcophagus holding the old alain that holds the doll mary-ann
Never before have I wanted to throw Paimon back into that lake we found her in.
2:21:32 OMGGGG I DIDNT KNOW THAT WAS YOU 😭😭 YOU DID SO WELL
Marco, I had a mental breakdown a year ago, and I was hospitalize in a mental health institution, sorry I just don't know how they name it in USA, and I can assure that even when you are not in your best state of mind (basically all my future when to hell from day to night at not fault of my own after years of sacrifice). I can assure you that you stay quite lucid. Humans are more resilient than what they think they are, even when it's so easily to break them.
It's funny because I was out in 4 days too xD Well 5 because it was the weekend.
Furina's cutscene at the end oddly reminds me of Nier:Automata. Something about the voice, combined with the gorgeous 'theatrics', for lack of a better word. It's beautifully well-done.
Also weight of the world song fits really well with Furina
Take a guess, Neuvillette, Furina, Childe and Mona, they all still in Fontaine, they all have a high potential of the Act 2, even the new boss one, or max, Mihoyo combine some of them into one! Can't wait for that patch!!!
Hey Marco, recently Risk of Rain Returns came out and Chris being the god he is released alternate versions of his iconic songs. I would love to see your reaction to some of these new songs, especially “Coalescence Returns”.
Oh I am well aware ;)
fontaine story and lore is amazing
1:32:36 As a Chinese player who played all the quest in Chinese voiceover, I have to say that the English dubbing of Paimon always can't find the right and proper tone to speak. I've seen several native English livestreamers that don't like Paimon even more after this line. Whoever understands Chinese can feel the nuance of this line is absolutely not hateful... And as it always has been, the English Paimon always speaks in a skyhigh tone which sounds like the righmost key of the piano...Shouldn't we just change a English CV for Paimon?
It's theorized that Furina's Vision has fangs on each corner signifying it was granted by a Dragon, Neuvilette, rather than Celestia.
Hope Marco do the cover of this song