1.5 card Revealer combo has some interesting math behind. In a 40-card deck, that combo leads you to having 31 cards left in the deck before you draw 4 through Coral Dragon + Crocodragon. If you run 12 (Hand)traps + 5 copies of Cradle + 1 Continuous Spell that revives, that's 18 cards you can draw that give you an interruption or other plays, and since you're drawing 4 you have a whooping chance of 97.73% of drawing at least one of those 18 cards. 81.37% of drawing 2 of them, and a good 43.44% of drawing 3 of those. 5 Cradles will most likely lead to Lancea too, but we should add the X copies of Freezing Chains we're running in our deck for Lancea plays because drawing it gives us access to Hexa from the GY and tune Croco with it into Lancea. So that's at least 6 cards we can draw in that scenario that go to Lancea, which has at least 59.80% to happen. This just becomes ridicolous when you realize those 18/6 cards you want to draw out of Crocodragon, can already be in your 5-card starting hand as well. This means we have BOTH the chance to draw one of those 18 cards in our starting hand, or draw them in that draw 4 part of the combo.. combined, it's an unnecessarily consistent 99.9% chance to see any of those 18 useful cards. 83% to see one of those 6 cards that lead into Lancea in that scenario, but it's actually higher because Georgius in your starting hand (3 Georgius and spare Medallions in your hand) actually makes Lancea in the combo without renouncing at anything. It's also kinda hilarious that any card that is not between those 18 cards could just be follow-up.. and Crocodragon has that "hidden" effect that gives you a quick pop for every 2 cards you discard. So in the discraceful case you don't have ANY interruption in your hand despite drawing 4 cards in a mathematically correct deck, you'd still have 2 pops out of Crocodragon. P.S. Pot of Desires might just make those chances absolutely ridicolous but the calculations would be VERY hard to do for me. Desires is an overall mathematically powerful card though, in a deck that can run it. Ice Barriers can 100% play it without drawbacks so we can assume those probabilities would be improved by the card.
@@SuperNix I also forgot to mention that those 6 cards consisting of the Icejades and Freezing Chains can also be replaced by side deck stuff with the same numbers. Let's say you side DBarrier and Anti-Spell in, those are 6 cards you can either draw in your first hand or during the combo, so you have a very high chance of seeing them if the combo resolves. You can also run stuff like Water Spiritual Art, Trap Trick and Trap Track to adjust your needs. I think this deck is gonna be awesome, it's just a matter of how it can play against interruptions going first and expecially going second
I found this channel when searching for Ice Barrier combos when the structure deck came out. I’m really happy with the new support, and I can’t wait to see the different directions Ice Barriers will go into.
What is the combo? Revealer summon hex, hex send master, master add georgius, summon georgius summon Wayne then Wayne add something? And if so then what
So the goal is to make early Toad/Baronne then go for Croc draws, which should give you good chance of drawing into Icejade which is free Lancea on top (you can improve that chance by runing 3rd Cradle). In really good hands you can setup both Toad+Baronne+Croc draws. I didn't include lockdown Ice Barrier monsters to SS with Lancea but all the ones i put in the Side are decent options, i just like going for Wayne and Georgius as they are good cards that will offer you follow ups when summoned while still having decent lockdown effects. Not sure if Winds is needed especially considering i don't run lockdown Ice Barriers to summon with it, so maybe 3rd Cradle,2nd Wayne or extra handtrap/Designator is better. Also decklist link is missing 3 Georgius and 2 Mirror Magic Master in the Main and 1 Lancea in the Extra. Hopefully you enjoyed the combos and don't forget to like and subscribe! ❤
If only there were better targets to summon with the new synchro or if it treated the monsters it summons from the extra as synchro summoned so that you can disrupt your opponent. Still, quite good support for ice barriers, the eternal meme deck. It justs shows that if konami wants to, they can print support to save any archtype no matter how bad it is
@@ryukagefurishira4075 yeah, but it would have been much more preferable to be able to disrupt your opponent when they commit to a play than when they out your "boss" monster
have you not read General Raiho of the ice barrier? or Medium of the ice barrier, or heck even bloody warlock of the ice barrier. they are some super strong cards, and one of the new ones actually stop graveyard effects too
Yeah, and post side you don't have to play around Nibiru cause no one in their right mind would keep Nibiru vs this deck, so you can play combos differently and setup some lockdown monsters as well.
Nice vid, saw this and I'm testing it with runicks, seems alright but conflicts with coral as the emz gets blocked so I have to revise the combos a bit more.
@@SuperNixYe, only problem is that you either need to start with the runicks or hard draw a tip/ fountain to get the best value out of the runick cards. Also, pitching the new one that searches off hughin feels really good, kind of like an ice barrier sacred tree.
Don't think you need more starters and also there are some problems by running them. If you use Normal on non Ice Barrier monster and they Imper/Veiler you, you won't be having IB monsters on the field to enable your extenders. Swap can be used as extender/starter but you go -1 and it makes Hexa/Revealer lose their value.
Something i tested a bit is deep sea diva for a way to climb into crystron quandax and make trish on the opponent’s turn with chengying i got close but idk if its even possible
You are actually the first one I see to summon toad in a combo and protecting from Nib potentially. And for some reason I thought it couldn't have been pulled off! Good stuff here, mate. Will be having tons of fun with the new support when they come out. Have you considered the SwoSoul level 10 synchro? Do you think it could be a nice interruption or more like mid?
Thanks! Yeah, i think main gameplan should be Toad or Baronne early to play around Nibiru and then draw into Icejade or handtraps. I do run him in the Extra, if you mean other one then i don't think it's good enough cause it's worse then Baronne and it's not Water monster.
@@SuperNix The Sword Soul Water Level 10 Synchro I was referring to was Chengying (had to check it lol), as it is banish from field and GY and some self protection. Do you think it's decent enough or do we opt for something else?
@@bugmanzgaming9054 I put it in the Extra so yeah you run it, no reason not to as it actually has decent synergy with some of your cards that banish themselves.
@@bugmanzgaming9054it's better to make the Ice Jade Ran Aegirine Synchro 10 because it protects all your monsters not just itself like the swordsoul monster does. Besides turn 1 they aren't gonna have something on field/in GY to banish yet they'll activate a board breaker so the swordsoul monster is really mostly useful a couple turns into the round but not the first thing you should make turn 1. Baronne, dragite, I.J. Aegirine, Lancea Dragon are the first Synchro you should make.
I haven't tbh, it might be better then White Aura Whale. But you can only make it with Mirror Master where Whale you can with any of your Tuners, so hard to say what is optimal to run.
@@SuperNixYou‘re welcome 😁 Yeah really depends on the Match-Up/Meta. Aegirine can also technically make it with a Token from Speaker but that probably does not come up that often
I think you can play 3 craydle, 1 aegirine, 1 ran aegirine and 1 tremora, but you can def run more normal aegirine and 1 cenote enion cradle and mb manifestation? Acti is also pretty good, she can send mirror or any water to draw 1, imo you can either run a small package or a bigger one, depends on how many flex spots you want
Interesting, I was trying to make a pure Ice Barrier deck, just summon 4 somehow, then use the lockdown ones or synchro, but this seems nice too. Question is, what do you do after you draw 4 and why do you not use the lockdown Ice Barriers?
Draws can get you to Icejade Ran(level 10 Synchro play) or handtraps. Lockdown IBs are nice but the problem is game 1 you don't know what you facing and also focusing on lockdown is usually making you weaker to Nibiru. I just like Georgius+Wayne as Lancea targets as they give you great value and decent lockdown without having to play bricks.
@@SuperNix So you would put the lockdown ones in Side Deck then? Makes sense, since you can then just run the onrs you can actually use against your opponent. As for Lancea, not sure why Georgius is a Lancea target, but also, I don't think anyone really plays Lancea right now, no? Lastly, how do you summon IceJade Ran, if you draw her?
@@-kaori Yeah i would probably run 1-2 in the side depending on the meta. With Lancea i mean new Synchro. Use Ran eff to discard any Water monster(so entire IB lineup) or Icejade card (like 2nd copy or Cradle).
@@SuperNix Ah, I'm stupid, his name is also Lancea, fair enough. Also didn't see that Ran can special herself. I would still try to make a pure version, but I might try something like what you went for, in my planning I had some kind of similar versions. Nive deck
Archetype floodgates are bricky but can be ran especially if you want to focus on Winds with your combos. Trap doesn't work with this playstyle as you are not ending on Ice Barrier monsters.
Ah yes, pure Ice Barrier...the famous Ice Barrier Coral Anemone and Ice Barrier Toadally Awesome... without forgot Ice Barrier Dragite and Ice Barrier Baronne, and at the top Ice Barrier Aegirine Ran and Ice Barrier Cradle...
@@SuperNix unfortunally, this make the description not correct. I don't would blame you neither i would to appair mad, but if you write " pure" at least i would not see cards " stealed" from other archetypes, or the result is... that not is pure. Also this make the deck simply a means for obtain the same type of negation boards used from other water decks, and not show the own playstyle... yes, this isn't a pure Ice Barrier combo video after all, at least in my opinion
Tbh, I still consider this pretty pure, the extra deck has always been known for its flexibility so as long as the main deck is pretty pure I think it counts. Personally, I'm testing them with runicks, and I would consider that as not pure.
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1.5 card Revealer combo has some interesting math behind. In a 40-card deck, that combo leads you to having 31 cards left in the deck before you draw 4 through Coral Dragon + Crocodragon. If you run 12 (Hand)traps + 5 copies of Cradle + 1 Continuous Spell that revives, that's 18 cards you can draw that give you an interruption or other plays, and since you're drawing 4 you have a whooping chance of 97.73% of drawing at least one of those 18 cards. 81.37% of drawing 2 of them, and a good 43.44% of drawing 3 of those. 5 Cradles will most likely lead to Lancea too, but we should add the X copies of Freezing Chains we're running in our deck for Lancea plays because drawing it gives us access to Hexa from the GY and tune Croco with it into Lancea. So that's at least 6 cards we can draw in that scenario that go to Lancea, which has at least 59.80% to happen.
This just becomes ridicolous when you realize those 18/6 cards you want to draw out of Crocodragon, can already be in your 5-card starting hand as well. This means we have BOTH the chance to draw one of those 18 cards in our starting hand, or draw them in that draw 4 part of the combo.. combined, it's an unnecessarily consistent 99.9% chance to see any of those 18 useful cards. 83% to see one of those 6 cards that lead into Lancea in that scenario, but it's actually higher because Georgius in your starting hand (3 Georgius and spare Medallions in your hand) actually makes Lancea in the combo without renouncing at anything.
It's also kinda hilarious that any card that is not between those 18 cards could just be follow-up.. and Crocodragon has that "hidden" effect that gives you a quick pop for every 2 cards you discard. So in the discraceful case you don't have ANY interruption in your hand despite drawing 4 cards in a mathematically correct deck, you'd still have 2 pops out of Crocodragon.
P.S. Pot of Desires might just make those chances absolutely ridicolous but the calculations would be VERY hard to do for me. Desires is an overall mathematically powerful card though, in a deck that can run it. Ice Barriers can 100% play it without drawbacks so we can assume those probabilities would be improved by the card.
You're the GOAT my man. xD
@@SuperNix I also forgot to mention that those 6 cards consisting of the Icejades and Freezing Chains can also be replaced by side deck stuff with the same numbers. Let's say you side DBarrier and Anti-Spell in, those are 6 cards you can either draw in your first hand or during the combo, so you have a very high chance of seeing them if the combo resolves. You can also run stuff like Water Spiritual Art, Trap Trick and Trap Track to adjust your needs. I think this deck is gonna be awesome, it's just a matter of how it can play against interruptions going first and expecially going second
@@SuperNixwhat's this game called? Very curious
@@redkid22107 It's EdoPro simulator.
@@SuperNix Thank you
I found this channel when searching for Ice Barrier combos when the structure deck came out. I’m really happy with the new support, and I can’t wait to see the different directions Ice Barriers will go into.
Glad to hear that! xD Yeah, it's great support for sure.
Revealer and Wayne is the strongest 2 card combo in ocg where we have 0 Toad
What is the combo? Revealer summon hex, hex send master, master add georgius, summon georgius summon Wayne then Wayne add something? And if so then what
So the goal is to make early Toad/Baronne then go for Croc draws, which should give you good chance of drawing into Icejade which is free Lancea on top (you can improve that chance by runing 3rd Cradle). In really good hands you can setup both Toad+Baronne+Croc draws. I didn't include lockdown Ice Barrier monsters to SS with Lancea but all the ones i put in the Side are decent options, i just like going for Wayne and Georgius as they are good cards that will offer you follow ups when summoned while still having decent lockdown effects. Not sure if Winds is needed especially considering i don't run lockdown Ice Barriers to summon with it, so maybe 3rd Cradle,2nd Wayne or extra handtrap/Designator is better.
Also decklist link is missing 3 Georgius and 2 Mirror Magic Master in the Main and 1 Lancea in the Extra.
Hopefully you enjoyed the combos and don't forget to like and subscribe! ❤
And trap in side
@@Thousand_Era Yes, ygopro didn't update their database. Trap is missing from the side as well, as an option that can be ran.
Finally having a good monster for Hexa Spirit to send to grave really makes a difference.
Yeah, makes Hexa Stratos of the deck.
I've loved Ice Barrier since I first played em in HS, I am beyond excited that they're playable again!
If only there were better targets to summon with the new synchro or if it treated the monsters it summons from the extra as synchro summoned so that you can disrupt your opponent. Still, quite good support for ice barriers, the eternal meme deck. It justs shows that if konami wants to, they can print support to save any archtype no matter how bad it is
Yeah great support, didn't expect it tbh. xD
Well the float effect summons ice barrier synchro monsters (treated as a synchro summon) so there's that
@@ryukagefurishira4075 yeah, but it would have been much more preferable to be able to disrupt your opponent when they commit to a play than when they out your "boss" monster
But they have 3 pretty strong lock
have you not read General Raiho of the ice barrier? or Medium of the ice barrier, or heck even bloody warlock of the ice barrier. they are some super strong cards, and one of the new ones actually stop graveyard effects too
Finally in almost 20 years the Ice Barrier support makes the deck playble
game 2 and 3 drawing 4 and letting you acces to your side deck just insane
Yeah, and post side you don't have to play around Nibiru cause no one in their right mind would keep Nibiru vs this deck, so you can play combos differently and setup some lockdown monsters as well.
Nice vid, saw this and I'm testing it with runicks, seems alright but conflicts with coral as the emz gets blocked so I have to revise the combos a bit more.
Thanks! Cool idea, could be nice with all the draw power.
@@SuperNixYe, only problem is that you either need to start with the runicks or hard draw a tip/ fountain to get the best value out of the runick cards. Also, pitching the new one that searches off hughin feels really good, kind of like an ice barrier sacred tree.
@@99099 Still nice, yeah it's a free discard.
they dont need runicks lil bro@@99099
What could you do if you were interrupted with Ash or imp before negate setup. Also I don't really see the point in chenying
That depends on the hand, you have a lot of extenders to play past that.
It triggers from Speaker in grave eff or Trishula.
Deep sea Diva can summon Hexa and Swap frog can send Mirror from deck
Don't think you need more starters and also there are some problems by running them.
If you use Normal on non Ice Barrier monster and they Imper/Veiler you, you won't be having IB monsters on the field to enable your extenders.
Swap can be used as extender/starter but you go -1 and it makes Hexa/Revealer lose their value.
On the second combo what is the card in hand with revealer? It looks like a little fish
Card is called Minairuka.
Something i tested a bit is deep sea diva for a way to climb into crystron quandax and make trish on the opponent’s turn with chengying i got close but idk if its even possible
I don't like Diva cause you already have a ton of starters.
You are actually the first one I see to summon toad in a combo and protecting from Nib potentially. And for some reason I thought it couldn't have been pulled off! Good stuff here, mate. Will be having tons of fun with the new support when they come out. Have you considered the SwoSoul level 10 synchro? Do you think it could be a nice interruption or more like mid?
Thanks!
Yeah, i think main gameplan should be Toad or Baronne early to play around Nibiru and then draw into Icejade or handtraps.
I do run him in the Extra, if you mean other one then i don't think it's good enough cause it's worse then Baronne and it's not Water monster.
@@SuperNix The Sword Soul Water Level 10 Synchro I was referring to was Chengying (had to check it lol), as it is banish from field and GY and some self protection. Do you think it's decent enough or do we opt for something else?
@@bugmanzgaming9054 I put it in the Extra so yeah you run it, no reason not to as it actually has decent synergy with some of your cards that banish themselves.
@@bugmanzgaming9054it's better to make the Ice Jade Ran Aegirine Synchro 10 because it protects all your monsters not just itself like the swordsoul monster does.
Besides turn 1 they aren't gonna have something on field/in GY to banish yet they'll activate a board breaker so the swordsoul monster is really mostly useful a couple turns into the round but not the first thing you should make turn 1.
Baronne, dragite, I.J. Aegirine, Lancea Dragon are the first Synchro you should make.
How do you set up the familar possessed and water spritial art hand rip combo
You have couple Spellcasters in the deck like Revealer and Speaker.
Very good support, hope dragunity can be the same
Dragunity unless they lock it in archetype might become just Dragon Link support. xD
Is dragunity support confirmed?
@@cyberdrache8416 Nope , there will be 2 more archetype with new cards but we don't know which ones.
Nix did you think ice barrier can be the next unchained? In terms of unexpected potential deck?
Unchained was the best deck for a month or so in TCG, i don't see IB being that good tbh. But it's a good deck and it has a ton of potential for sure.
Really curious if you could slap a small ice barrier engine in umi control
Umi deck uses Normal summon on Kairyu-Shin if am right, so don't think it's that good.
Very cool combos 👍🏻
Have you considered Graydle Dragon?
If summoned with Mirror Master and all 3 Tokens it can pop 4 Cards
I haven't tbh, it might be better then White Aura Whale. But you can only make it with Mirror Master where Whale you can with any of your Tuners, so hard to say what is optimal to run.
Thanks!
@@SuperNixYou‘re welcome 😁
Yeah really depends on the Match-Up/Meta. Aegirine can also technically make it with a Token from Speaker but that probably does not come up that often
@@alexk.2614 True, Icejade works as well but less pops then.
How good is Ice Jade cards in it?
I wouldn't run anything except Ran Aegirine (1.5 card Synchro 10) and Cradle, maybe 1 Tremora but don't think it's needed.
I think you can play 3 craydle, 1 aegirine, 1 ran aegirine and 1 tremora, but you can def run more normal aegirine and 1 cenote enion cradle and mb manifestation? Acti is also pretty good, she can send mirror or any water to draw 1, imo you can either run a small package or a bigger one, depends on how many flex spots you want
@@F3XT Yeah i prefer smaller engine, so i can have more handtraps.
Seeing this i really wanna build ice barrier deck, im playing infernoble and need a great artwork for water deck haha
We might also get Atlantean/Mermail Stucture deck soon.
@@SuperNix atlantean kinda less consistent than this ice barrier deck tbh
@@khainguyentuan5916 That is true but that might change. Imagine them getting ROTA and another good monster that can start plays.
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Interesting, I was trying to make a pure Ice Barrier deck, just summon 4 somehow, then use the lockdown ones or synchro, but this seems nice too. Question is, what do you do after you draw 4 and why do you not use the lockdown Ice Barriers?
Draws can get you to Icejade Ran(level 10 Synchro play) or handtraps.
Lockdown IBs are nice but the problem is game 1 you don't know what you facing and also focusing on lockdown is usually making you weaker to Nibiru.
I just like Georgius+Wayne as Lancea targets as they give you great value and decent lockdown without having to play bricks.
@@SuperNix So you would put the lockdown ones in Side Deck then? Makes sense, since you can then just run the onrs you can actually use against your opponent.
As for Lancea, not sure why Georgius is a Lancea target, but also, I don't think anyone really plays Lancea right now, no?
Lastly, how do you summon IceJade Ran, if you draw her?
@@-kaori Yeah i would probably run 1-2 in the side depending on the meta.
With Lancea i mean new Synchro.
Use Ran eff to discard any Water monster(so entire IB lineup) or Icejade card (like 2nd copy or Cradle).
@@SuperNix Ah, I'm stupid, his name is also Lancea, fair enough. Also didn't see that Ran can special herself. I would still try to make a pure version, but I might try something like what you went for, in my planning I had some kind of similar versions. Nive deck
@@-kaori It's fine, happens. xD
From meme to tier 2 maybe GJ you and konami
Yeah it's quite promising i would say, fact that it plays around Nibiru so easy it's crazy.
@@SuperNixOnly with revealer on the field, no?
@@-kaori Watch video? :/
Toad/Baronne are Anti Nib.
Koonami finally!
xD
Do we have any play if revealer gets impermed or ashed
You can make make Bahamut>Toad if you have Speaker and that's it sadly.
Could you play swap frog to made toadally even more consistent?
You can do that yes, i just felt it's not needed.
I'm stubborn so I would include a floodgate general just for funny funny
Not saying it's bad, i just see it more of a post side gameplan rather then main focus.
infernoid next ?
Will try them out in the next day or two, maybe if I make something decent.
Why no new trap and archetipe floodgate?
Archetype floodgates are bricky but can be ran especially if you want to focus on Winds with your combos.
Trap doesn't work with this playstyle as you are not ending on Ice Barrier monsters.
@@SuperNix do you have a decklist that uses the trap?
@@F3XT No i don't sadly.
Hi, how can i search the new cards in the game? i can´t find them
This is not for Master Duel if you asking that.
@@SuperNix of course not XD
I want to use then in YGOpro
@@generalplays4816 I don't know about other simulators but they are on EdoPro.
@@SuperNix thanks c:
I hate spright for making toad ban in ocg
Yeah same with me, main reason i hate the deck. xD
Ah yes, pure Ice Barrier...the famous Ice Barrier Coral Anemone and Ice Barrier Toadally Awesome... without forgot Ice Barrier Dragite and Ice Barrier Baronne, and at the top Ice Barrier Aegirine Ran and Ice Barrier Cradle...
xD
@@SuperNix unfortunally, this make the description not correct. I don't would blame you neither i would to appair mad, but if you write " pure" at least i would not see cards " stealed" from other archetypes, or the result is... that not is pure. Also this make the deck simply a means for obtain the same type of negation boards used from other water decks, and not show the own playstyle... yes, this isn't a pure Ice Barrier combo video after all, at least in my opinion
@@CyberTwinDragon9999 You are right, the title should be "Icejade Swordsoul Fleur Adamancipator White Aura Shark Frog Marincess Ice Barrier Combos".
@@SuperNix a sort xD or just " Ice Barrier" without " pure"
Tbh, I still consider this pretty pure, the extra deck has always been known for its flexibility so as long as the main deck is pretty pure I think it counts. Personally, I'm testing them with runicks, and I would consider that as not pure.
toad is ban bruh
Not in tcg
This is for TCG, so it's legal.