Black Powder vs Smokeless Powder: some education!
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- A basics video to show the difference between black powder and smokeless powder.
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I was too busy recovering from the wounds I suffered in the Civil War. It was the 1890s before I was fully back to my healthy self. It was worth it, though, having had the experience of fighting at both Gettyburg in 1863 AND Normandy in 1944. :-)
Wow
Crazy
apples, yes
Noice
@EMILIANO BARRIOS CHAVEZ It's called a joke
"Black powder is the powder that is black" thanks Hickok!!!!
'If I'm going to load half a case... which I don't'
😂😂😅
Yeah, at the shooting table when I'm going to shoot as soon as I load it, I could load six; however, after all my years of cowboy action shooting and even holster carry around the farm, I just stick with 5. If I need "high capacity," most of you know that I can pretty easily find something that fills that "need." :-)
I can’t even begin to imagine being in the Civil War... Charging through “powder” fog, trying to follow the sound of a brass horn, trying not to bayonet the wrong person, all while rifled infantry is slamming everywhere.
*5hrs later* Here is some whiskey. Bite this stick while we saw your leg.”
Lest We Forget
All that on top of potential family or friends in opposing side.
It was all worth it. Slavery is evil
@@corpsefoot758 civil war wasn't about slavery....it was about state's rights of the southern states
@@jyotiradityadeka2905 I’m going to hope that your name means you’re a foreigner, because otherwise there is NO excuse for any American to be this dumb and wrong.
Go look up the “Articles of Secession” some time. See if your brain is truly developed enough to spot the word “slavery” inside any of them, and also how many times it is clearly mentioned.
@@jyotiradityadeka2905 since that's your opinion do you have anything else on it?
"That's even before my time" hahaha
What you guys didn't know he is 999 years old
hickok wasn't born until after the mongol conquest of Asia Minor
Black powder musket. Best home defense weapon ever. One shot and nobody can see or hear anything in a 15 foot radius.
It's all in the chemistry. According to the book "Gunpowder" by Jack Kelly, black powder will result in only 44% of the initial weight being turned to a gas, 56% is solid residue hence the barrel fouling nature of black powder. This solid residue is primarily potassium sulfite, leftover from the saltpeter and sulfur in optimal mixtures. The saltpeter (KNO3) provides the oxygen for combustion. The 44% gasses produced occupy 280 times the volume of the original black powder. At the temperature of the explosion, 3880 dF, the volume of the same gas will be 3,600 times more. The pressure can reach 20 ton per square inch.
I am not sure of the chemistry of the smokeless powder, but with less solid in the end that the 56% residue of black powder, we can see that smokeless powder goes toward 95%-100% gas, little residue. This means the amount of gas produced can be double or more per weight of powder, hence the pressure can be double too if it burns all the way before the slug leaves the barrel. It may burn slower put produce double the gas. I don't know the temperature of the smokeless, but if comparable, then we can easily see the danger of using smokeless in an original old black powder gun.
Actually, about the volume increase when it comes to the temperature of a gas, it is actually measured in kelvin, the absolute temperature. So let's say that a gas goes from 100 kelvin to 200 kelvin, then it just doubled its volume. Farenheit and celcius are not absolute temperature.
The term optimum is relative. Residue can be more or less according to several factors.
High humidity can contribute to the burn rate and the amount of fouling left behind. The amount of moisture in the powder is another variable. T
I can load for less fouling by increasing pressures. I do it with a hot primer, a heavy bullet, a good grade of powder and some compression.
The right combination will shoot pretty clean and give good accuracy.
John Davis Jax fl
Black powder will combust-- the charcoal burns with the saltpeter to generate a lot of heat and some gas.
Smokeless powder is nitrocelluouse-- it is a chemically bound chain of nitrogen, hydrogen, carbon and oxygen. It exothermically decomposes at the molecular level, generating a lot of gas and then some heat.
People need to understand that black powder and smokeless powder are two completely different substances that undergo two completely different chemical reactions.
Celsius and kelvin have the same scale for increments, so no problem with that…
I'm reminded of the expression, "If walls could talk..." I'd love to hear some of the stories that 1884 Colt might have to tell.
No problems, other than the mess. I shot black powder in newer Colt SAAs in many cowboy matches, as well as in my modern lever gun and my modern shotgun.
That huge cloud of lingering smoke is a great visualization of why armies in the 17 & 1800s wore those bright uniforms.
Huh? Why? So the enemy could still target them through the smoke?
Vincent Lok smoke is white, you goof
Vincent Lok So they wouldn't fire on their own lines.
wille1811
White or black, it's still hard to see through smoke! OK, I can see that firing on your own troops is harder when your uniforms are bright. I think back in those days, the idea of hiding from enemies wasn't very prevalent. I mean, they'd line up and shoot at each other from 100 yards!
Vincent Lok yes but white smoke and bright uniforms melts into eachother like a camo
Most stores do not sell it, as it requires special storage and handling. Most gun shops just don't want to fool with it. You can order it online if there's not a store nearby that sells it. I order it online or drive to Dixie Gun Works for it. They are just a couple of hours from me.
To clarify, smokeless powder, smokeless propellant, burns faster when confined inside a cartridge case, whereas black powder burns almost as fast unconfined as it does confined.
Not true. The simple proof is the difference in burn rate between black match fuse (string coated in black powder) and quickmatch ( black match encased in a thick paper sheath). Even light confinement makes a huge difference.
Smokeless powder
@@pyrobob208In match, the powder grains are physically bound to the thread. In the case of black match, the powder being burned can only ignite the powder directly affixed next to it. The granules burn in a sequence as a result, unable to skip ahead in the line like a columm of loose powder can...
...fast match holds in and redirects the combustion gasses so they can ignite more and more of the black powder they flow over in the tube. The fact the granules are glued to the thread become irrelevant because the flames can out-pace the sequential ignition of black match- where _most of the heat energy is expended into the open air_ as the visible 'fizzle' effect.
It's the same reason you have to pack down black powder in a chamber-- loose air inside the charge lets the granules ignite _all_ of the powder at once rather than in the slower sequence you'd get if the packet of powder was tight.
I really got the giggles when you moved the cans of powder and said "I reckon that'd be safer."
I actually breathed a sign of relief.
People were a their keyboards, ready to chastise him.
I'm a 72 year old gun engraver from Sioux City Iowa. I've heard that hickok does not like engraved guns, but I still support his site. Very interesting. Maybe he'll change his mind someday. Thanks for the videos.
Once a teacher, always a teacher. Thank you Hickok. Your videos are always entertaining and informative.
Just watched this for the UMPTEENTH time, in Jan, 2020, and it still brings a BIG smile to my face. THANK you!!
0:30 Look like one of those black powder grains was running away hahahaha
+Griff Yeah I bet that bug had an interesting time just a few minutes later.
That's what the blacks are good at.
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@@rock3tcatU233 stfu
That was supposed to be a joke, putting the powder right beside the powder. As I watch the video myself, though, it does appear that I really WAS thinking it would be smart to set the powder there by the powder. So, I can't give anybody a hard time for being gullible on this one. I really do appear to be serious about it.
You really had me there!
In the 1930's when goods were sold loose in bags,a general store grocer had the question posed, "Got any powder?" "Sure, gun ,face, bug or bum?" was the reply.
Having done civil war reenactments, I can smell this video very vividly. Spent blackpowder smell burns in to your senses when a regiment of 20 people fire at once.
This video is also a good postscript to the video you did about the cylinder gap blow out, where you illustrated the danger from the burning gases escaping for the cylinder gap. With the black powder loads the blow out is clearly visible. Thanks for another interesting and informative video!
The newer pistols are probably fine for modern ammo. Just check before you buy to make sure. There ARE some black powder loads available out there, especially from some of the companies that cater to cowboy action shooters. I'm thinking that Black Hills might offer some. They won't be cheap, I'm sure. :-)
Nice Uberti replicas are around for just $300.00 to $500.00. For Colt originals, you need to add another zero; it just depends on their condition and age.
*thats even before my time!*
Goddamn, the more I watch Hickok45 the more I treasure him.
His old school ‘dry humour’ & wit is amazing, the more I watch his videos the more and more I understand why the internet treasures him!! Never change Hickok, never change.
Any Colt SAA might be referred to as a "Peacemaker," but it's not the official Colt designation. The gun is the Colt Single Actions Army, sometimes called a "Peacemaker." Now, there might be some other firearm I'm not aware of that is actually using the brand name "Peacemaker" - not sure. I would not be surprised if some company actually uses it since the old Colts were also called that.
Hickock45... as a 23 y/o kid, I DO greatly appreciate you dirtying up that pistol for us. It's just plain awesome to see those old guns being used.
So when you see movies like The Good the Bad and the Ugly which are set at the time of the Civil War then every time Clint Eastwood takes a shot with his six gun he should be enveloped in a cloud of smoke?
Yes.
For Leone, first comes art style and fantasy, then realism and accuracy.
I've been watching lots of Spaghetti Westerns, and it does look like BP in some cases and no smoke in others. They all use the same gun shot noise though! There are lots more SWs than the Eastwood ones.
Yes
He also shouldn't have any brass cartridges since all the revolvers he uses throughout that entire movie were cap and ball revolvers where you had to manually put the powder and bullet separately into each chamber.
People bust my chops for watching you but I like the maturity and info. Keep it up my friend.
“...1000 years, that’s even before my time”
I noticed that too!LOL
Thanks for turning me on to Buds gun shop.Great service, inventory,and people!!!
Man I was happy to see you move the cans away at 10:22 .... I was almost shouting at the screen "REMOVE THE CANS!"
By the way, I love your videos, Keep them coming.
A salute to you from Denmark.
+Morten Schultz What do you think the odds of the containers of powders igniting are? Though I agree with you that one shouldn't take chances, I think the odds of those containers going off are astronomical.
I dont care how low the odds are, if that amount ever blew, Hickok and cameraman would be splattered all over the range.
his fingers could have powder or the table, and the fire could somehow get to the top of the bottle
Gia: Perhaps...but the containers were sealed!!!
The containers are light plastic or card board or light tin designed not to explode, if for some reason the powder caught it would burn like a torch but not blow up. Designed that way for safety.
You may be retired from teaching.... But you're still teaching all your fans here on UA-cam! Thank you sir! Now I'm going to have to buy a black powder revolver.
Hardly ANY of the smokeless "powder" out there is really a powder; it's flakes, extruded little cylinders, and all sorts of shapes of granules and such. Still, the general term for anything that goes in a cartridge case to propel a bullet is "powder." At least that is the case in MY world. :-)
Using hot soapy water to clean black powder pistol...but what do you use to clean black powder out of a modern cowboy shooter ?? Water ???
I have developed a new cartridge for muzzleloading rifles which is loaded from the muzzle but ejects itself from the barrel after use and is non-corrosive. This product sets a new standard in safety and reliability for muzzleloader ammunition in the same way shotgun shells are standardized for use in shotguns. Shotshells have a load of shot and powder which produce a safe pressure in shotguns manufactured by many different companies. The pressure produced by this cartridge can be designed to work safely in the muzzleloaders produced by the various manufacturers. It would also greatly help new muzzleloader shooters with safety, and it would also give them a product which will not destroy the barrel of their muzzleloader due to corrosive residue.
Those who say smokeless powder cannot be used in a muzzleloader may not know “Blackhorn 209” is 83% smokeless powder, based on the MSD sheet for the product. Therefore, the claim that smokeless powder cannot be used safely in a muzzleloader falls apart very quickly.
This cartridge could also be loaded with BH209 or a similar formulation in states which do not allow "smokeless" powder during muzzleloader season, in the same way the breechloading "Firestick" cartridge is now used in the "Nitrofire" muzzleloader. This would be a "Muzzlestick" cartridge which would work in thousands of other modern muzzleloaders, which cannot use the "Firestick" cartridge.
This cartridge can also be removed from inline muzzleloaders by removing the breechplug.
I am now looking for a company willing to mass produce this new cartridge for the market. I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass this information along to those you know who may be interested in this new product.
A link is found below which demonstrates this new product.
UA-cam video: “Self-Ejecting Muzzleloader Safety Cartridge: Product Debut (short version)”
@@SpotterVideo nice, sir!
Probably the best video out there showing the differences between black and smokeless. To top it off, he uses THE iconic examples; Colt SAA! Superb! Beautiful guns too!
We gave him a decent burial; coincidentally, he had requested cremation.
Just when I thought that I knew a thing or two about powders, Hickok45 comes along and fills my head with a lot more information! Thanks for all that you do Hickok45.
Every your video is extremely interesting! I hope one day the educational system will learn how to teach this way.. on pure examples
Hickok you're my hero!
that forest background is beautiful. wow, i wanna go to that forest someday. how relaxing. greeting from indonesia.
did you went to forest?
Come to America and visit a National Park!
Kontol yeet
Hickok45, just wanted to say thanks for the videos. I am a Deputy in Louisiana and very much enjoy shooting as well. Anyway on to the point. I was hurt and had to under go back surgery. Your videos were always fun to watch and informative as well as funny when you wanted them to be. it gave me something to look forward to while i was just sitting around healing. Anyway, thank you sir! . Have a good one!
The slow motion ending was scary.
Love the sound of Greg's laughter in slow motion mode.
Welcome to the Church of Ballistical Salvation! :-)
could you tell me how to get a job in gun manufacturing companies?
Could you reply ❤️🏹💘
@@sankaracchupersonalgood8174 you got a degree?
I don't understand how anyone could give this man any kind of hate. He's awesome, he's kind and respectable, and though his humor may be crude and "lame" it's what makes him so funny! I'd love to meet Hickok45 in real life, just because it'd be an honor to talk to such an awesome guy.
I love listening to this guy lol
HICKOK 45 I watch so many of your videos...... You simply are the man!!!!
It is. There's nothing like just holding fondling, cleaning, taking apart, etc. Shooting them "ain't" bad either. :-) It's cool to think about how anybody could have owned either of these Colts, even Wyatt Earp. :-)
So glad you moved those powders before touching it off. I nearly had a conniption fit when you placed them so close.
Cordite is smokeless; I doubt that anybody could find any of those early BP .303 rounds without some serious searching.
"Reckon we ought to move these...?" Hickok and his dry sense of humor...you got to love it. Very informative video, thanks.
Never heard of smokeless powder before. I didn't realize we used a new formula for gunpowder either. Learned a lot from this video!
I agree, Hickock45 is like the Bill Cosby of the shooting world, how can anyone dislike him? He's not rude and offensive or condescending like many other UA-cam posters. HK45 is a gentleman and like a fun uncle!
Simplified basics of BP shooting: If the firearm manufacturer has "Black Powder Only" marked on the barrel.....ONLY use BP in that particular gun. I honestly don't care what the "experts" say that use pyrodex or smokeless anything in a BP weapon...its their limbs and life. I just follow the rules to the letter.
"Experts"
Lol pyrodex is nothing like smokeless it's a bp substitute with extremely similar properties to bp. It can be sold without having special explosive licenses (like bp)and is why most chain stores stock it.
Very good video. I actually had a good laugh at the burn rate of the Black powder. Thanks for clearing up the differences. You are the first person that mentioned thefact of different pressures the powders. Thanks for a good informational video.
Imagine the fields of fire during the big civil war battles.
@@SimuLord or all you can see is smoke and hear the hoof falls of the cavalry charging you
Black powder has such a cool effect, instantly thought of a western movie when you pulled the trigger.
Awesome video Hickok
Just thought I would mention how the burn rate and pressure curve of smokeless powder completely change when confined in the cartridge vs burning in open air. Obviously it is waaaaaaay faster. As the expanding gas increases the pressure inside the cartridge the the powder burns faster.
I gave up watching "Tom and Jerry" to make sure I don't miss any Hickok45 Videos...LOL, Black powder - white smoke, gunpowder - gunsmoke, smokeless powder - gunsmoke, LOL great video, when you started laughing I lost it and never regained control of myself..I LOVE these videos, keep up the great work!!! Why not just tell'em to fill up the case with "X" & give it a "pressure test" ...PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS, Do not use the incorrect powder or incorrect amount in the wrong gun...listen carefully
Do you think the indoor shooting range would mind if I reloaded some AR15 rounds with black powder and shot off about 30 of them in quick succession?
I doubt it would cycle
Good luck cleaning that gas system. The thing'll never fire correctly again.
I did it and everything worked perfectly.
+Ramses. My range wouldn't let me do that. Not because of the smoke.. They have excellent scrubbers. It's due to the fire/sparks that come out of the barrel when firing. They consider that a major fire risk. That's why I bought a 45 Colt cartridge-conversion cylinder for my blackpowder (muzzleloading) revolvers. That allows me to use the gun at their range, and it also takes a lot less cleaning afterwards.
Ramses. Just got to clean it well after shooting as black powder is corrosive.
Interesting and very informative video Hickok...the demonstration of the burning characteristics of the two types of powder was especially helpful...!!!
drink a shot of vodka everytime he says powder
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It is my understanding that they usually used water (hot, if possible) and a rough patch for daily cleaning, then water and Castile soap or lye for more thorough cleaning. Either method was followed with tallow, olive oil, or whatever else was on hand for rust prevention. Hoppe's came around in 1903.
Thanks Hick!!!
Old farts with old guns.... and Black Powder!!! Hahahaha.
Please don't misinterpret my following comments as I shoot both smokeless and BP. BP for pleasure only and smokeless for pleasure and tasking. Love them both, but BP has my heart.
Many smokeless shooters do not know the complexities of shooting BP, the time taken to clean the weapons after every shoot, the same cleaning a smokeless shooter does perhaps once a season. The different reloading technique, and BP shooter must be very vigilant in loading station cleanliness, much more so than a smokeless shooter, although cleanliness is a must which ever propellant you use. I love shooting my Sharps. It takes hours to clean, not minutes, after every shoot (not shot), however periodical cleaning is necessary during a long shoot.
To truly love shooting, you need to produce loads of smoke and get that ol' time BOOM. It's ok to watch someone shooting BP, but is an entirely different kettle of fish shooting it.
A big WOW factor, like shooting a .338 or a 50 BMG. Not everyone gets a chance, but if offered, grab it!
thank you for your service. Thank you Hickok for your knowledge as well.
Spencer
hey John, I know I'm 27 and all, but could you adopt me so I could say I have the perfect Grandad? lol
+Julian Blow john is his son
evand848 meaning if John adopted me I would have the perfect granddad.
ohhhhhhhhh
+Julian Blow if i had a grandfather like him sure as hell i wouldnt be watching gunpowder from urine video :/ . I never fired a real gun in my life despite i love guns so much . I cant afford going to range either it s too expensive in my country .
Hickok said once that, if you grandmom is a super model, he can help you being your grandad.
Great videos! I just bought my first black powder (well first gun ever)! and was told to check your channel out! Lots of great info
4:10 7:05 11:00
Cool comparison of the two different powders. Happy 4th Hickok45!
You all have got to hear the last part of smokeless power vs gun poweder in slow motion with headphones . That voice xxD
I was beginning to think that you were never going to set the powder on fire! I use black powder in my Ubrrti Colt Walker and Hawken .50 cal because I like the smoke and fire, but it can be a beast to clean! Well done!
drinking game, every time he says "powder" drink a shot
The Lebel Model 1886 was the first modern rifle being it used smokeless powder
Thank you Sir for your kind words! I served as a Grunt with the 1st Battalion--3rd Marine Division in Vietnam. I see the offspring of the people who greeted us with utter contempt and acts of cowardice when we came home, have given birth to offspring with the identical DNA. Your words are much appreciated; and I know those of us who are up in years, can rest assured knowing that America will be in good hands with people like you, who will pick up the baton. Stay true, to the Red, White and Blue!
You are the best on UA-cam, I've been watching you for years!
I am sure some where in the replies someone brought this up, black powder is a different breed of cat to reload. If you are going to load black powder, do a lot of investigating about the does and don'ts. If you do it wrong, you can ruin a modern firearm just as easily as you can by loading smokeless powder in an antique. Most will tell you to never leave an air gap in the case with black powder, it causes an extreme pressure curve.
+Ray C. Yep.
+John Affleck Actually, yep. Black powder and smokeless are totally different. If you load black into a cartridge, you either fill the whole case with powder or if you use a reduced load you mix the black powder with something like cream of wheat to bulk up the charge so it fills the whole case. Simply filling the space with something like cotton will not work.
Stop perpetuating this ignorance you claim. Crack a book every now and then.
Your comment shows there is still some civility left in the world! Thank you Sir. It is amazing how many mentally challenged people we have to deal with on YT. They apparently feel that by using scatological language, it adds to the shock value. Actually, it shows a lack of a meaningful education, and secondly, it is a cry for attention. Sadness, all around!
I saw some of your black powder run off!
glad you moved the containers aside before igniting your experiment.. I had two quarts of black go up in smoke from a wayward spark from one of my sample experiments. Couldn't even see the lightbulb in the basement...
6:06 Cummins.
Hell yeah
thats cool
Hickok45 never fails to teach us about firearms thank you sir! Awesome demo
Here's some trivia. When Winchester introduced the 1894 model, it was provided (and continued to be made, for many decades), in .30--30 and .32 Special. The ".30--30" designation would seem to have indicated a .30" bullet with 30 grains of B.P. (like the convention with the .44--40, .45--70, .50--90, etc.) But the .30--30 was NEVER loaded with black powder. But with the .32 Special, though a smokeless round, the rifle was specifically designed for shooters to reload their empties with black powder. The difference, aside from a negligible increase in bore diameter, was that the rifling was more shallow. That was to reduce the fowling from black powder. Over the years, I've known people who swore that the .32 Special had less recoil than the .30--30. That would seem odd, since the two rounds produce the same energy. My guess is that the shallow rifling of the .32 produces lower pressure, and thus, lower recoil.
Great video for independence day. Hickcok reminds me of a sheriff in a old western. I could see him in that role, Make a good marshal
Hickok's slowed laughing reminds me of a big cat growling.
Please do a comparison between black powder and black powder substitutes.
have you ever hear or said a word so many times it doesn't sound like a word anymore. hmmm Powder.
Very informative. Good demonstration of the difference of the two.
Marshal Dillon is disappointed you never mentioned “Gunsmoke”!
Just to differentiate on the composition of these two powders, black powder is made from 3 ingredients as mentioned: potassium nitrate (saltpeter), sulphur and charcoal. Smokeless powder is not actually a powder at all. It's tiny flakes of nitrocellulose, which is almost like tiny pieces of paper (rough analogy) that have been nitrated by a process of treating them with nitric and sulphuric acid. This is basically the same process used to produce nitroglycerin, which is a component of many modern explosives such as dynamite. In both cases, containing the powder in a sealed cartridge with no place to expand is what makes the "explosion" that sends the bullet downrange. An explosion is simply a rapid burning under pressure. Nice demo!
Thanks, that was very informative.
Thanks! great video. I've known for ages you don't shoot smokeless in a black powder gun but I honestly never knew why until now.
14:16 "HOOOOOO HOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO HOOOOOO" Creepy laughing in slow-motion XD
Love the channel! One of the biggest and most important differences is how they are classified. Black Powder is an explosive and Smokeless Powder is a propellant.
Gunpowder does not detonate. It deflagrates.
In Britain we still call it gunpowder. I think that's because of the gunpowder plot so the name gunpowder stayed.
Actually amongst reenactors and shooters, we do differentiate on accounts that loading the wrong one can blow up your weapon
That's because you Brits haven't been allowed to own guns since guns still used black powder
Nice - deep voice at the end - thanks
Sounds like the devil! LOL
When you see smoke come out from Hickok's compound then that means he's either smoking some pot or shooting a black powder gun.
You are my favorite person to hang out and learn from on youtube.
If I was black powder I would have 0 f's
That's a good informative video. I think the reason they say that black powder burns slower than smokeless, (but it doesn't when you burn it on the table) is because the burn characteristic changes when the black powder is burnt in a confined space (the brass case) so the rising pressure slows down the burn somewhat...? I think, lol. But even so, the burning in open air was a good demonstration and made your point!
"thats EVEN before my time" lmao
I left a comment regarding black powder questions and black powder cartridges on one of your videos not so long ago. thanks for uploading this vid.